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IONITY - charging / fees / tips

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  • #252
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    ;) And all the taxpayers money spent on these 350kW chargers and all they are providing is one down and another at 25kW for over 2 months now! Tst Tst! I think I need to return my Taycan ;)


  • #253
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    KCross wrote: »
    ;) And all the taxpayers money spent on these 350kW chargers and all they are providing is one down and another at 25kW for over 2 months now! Tst Tst! I think I need to return my Taycan ;)
    Give it over Unkel :D


  • #254
    WattsUp
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭WattsUp


    Any update on Kill North Ionity opening ?


  • #255
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭zg3409


    WattsUp wrote: »
    Any update on Kill North Ionity opening ?

    Last I heard was this

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113315582&postcount=190

    Waiting on esb supply. 4 chargers were going in on 6th of March. I presume when esb get the finger out they will be commissioned.


  • #256
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    WattsUp wrote: »
    Any update on Kill North Ionity opening ?

    Looked ready to go almost 4 months ago when I last checked.

    njf0B7x.jpg

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112768312&postcount=1755

    If it's stuck waiting for the ESB to commission the supply, it looks like they (ESB) are not only are dragging the heels with their own network, they're also now hindering/delaying Ionity.

    Of course they'll blame everything on covid now :rolleyes:.


  • #257
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,719 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Sure they're too busy installing their own 150kW superhubs everywhere.

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  • #258
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    unkel wrote: »
    Sure they're too busy installing their own 150kW superhubs everywhere.

    150kW (+ 2kW AC) :D.

    .......Liamog & KCross won't be happy with us for disparaging the ESB!....... :pac:.


  • #259
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Kramer wrote: »
    150kW (+ 2kW AC) :D.
    .

    Now now, that's sacrilege to us 22kW capable owners


  • #260
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Kramer wrote: »
    150kW (+ 2kW AC) :D.

    Liamog & KCross won't be happy with us for disparaging the ESB!.......

    I'm ok with people having a go at eCars for not acting fast enough on their own hubs, it's the negative posts that follow the other parts of their plan that I find unnecessary :D


  • #261
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,719 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You mean when they downgrade a 22kW AC charger to 2kW?

    I'll get me coat :p

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  • #262
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Kramer wrote: »
    Looked ready to go almost 4 months ago when I last checked.

    njf0B7x.jpg

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112768312&postcount=1755

    If it's stuck waiting for the ESB to commission the supply, it looks like they (ESB) are not only are dragging the heels with their own network, they're also now hindering/delaying Ionity.

    Of course they'll blame everything on covid now :rolleyes:.

    Kill north, barriers blocking chargers were there yesterday, not there today (according to Facebook. Not showing live on website map nor app.

    Maybe the rental company for the barriers took them back as they needed them elsewhere....


  • #263
    McHonda
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭McHonda


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Kill north, barriers blocking chargers were there yesterday, not there today (according to Facebook. Not showing live on website map nor app.

    Maybe the rental company for the barriers took them back as they needed them elsewhere....
    Saw the ESB van there on Monday morning.


  • #264
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    McHonda wrote: »
    Saw the ESB van there on Monday morning.

    Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon :D.


  • #265
    ei9go
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭ei9go


    Is there still a problem with the speeds at City North? The Ionity map only shows 2 chargers there. I thought there was four but could be wrong.


  • #266
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭zg3409


    ei9go wrote: »
    Is there still a problem with the speeds at City North? The Ionity map only shows 2 chargers there. I thought there was four but could be wrong.

    Only 2, designed for 4, power may be an issue but shortage of chargers was an issue too, the main reason kill was delayed.

    At Ionity city north one of the chargers seemed to give a lower power. See plugshare app for power comments and photos.


  • #267
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Email from Maingau regarding a reduction in VAT in Germany.

    Looks like 38.98c/kWh now rather than 40c/kWh

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  • #268
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Email from Maingau regarding a reduction in VAT in Germany.

    Looks like 38.98c/kWh now rather than 40c/kWh

    Should probably be 38.14c/kWh now that Irish vat on EV charging is reduced to 13.5%, in Ireland at least.
    Every little helps :).


  • #269
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    Kramer wrote: »
    Should probably be 38.14c/kWh now that Irish vat on EV charging is reduced to 13.5%, in Ireland at least.
    Every little helps :).

    Ya but you paid in Germany so German Mehrwertsteuer applies not Irish VAT.

    Its an interesting point though, I wonder in the future if they will apply local Tax/Duty on Electricity for cars regardless of where the supplier is.

    Would be a pain in the ass to administer though. :)

    I guess everyone has seen that Juicepass 30 euros for July offer, should work on Ionity as well:
    https://www.electricfelix.com/blog/summer-roadtrip-season-30-for-a-month-of-high-speed-charging-in-europe


  • #270
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭innrain


    Just passed by the Kill westbound. Heavy rain but I saw few workers around the chargers. Also the chargers have the halo mounted on. Fingers crossed.


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  • #271
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    redcup342 wrote: »
    Ya but you paid in Germany so German Mehrwertsteuer applies not Irish VAT.

    Its an interesting point though, I wonder in the future if they will apply local Tax/Duty on Electricity for cars regardless of where the supplier is.

    Would be a pain in the ass to administer though. :)

    I guess everyone has seen that Juicepass 30 euros for July offer, should work on Ionity as well:
    https://www.electricfelix.com/blog/summer-roadtrip-season-30-for-a-month-of-high-speed-charging-in-europe

    Service takes place here so should be Irish VAT but that's just an opinion, VAT accounting very specialised


  • #272
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭innrain


    innrain wrote: »
    Just passed by the Kill westbound. Heavy rain but I saw few workers around the chargers. Also the chargers have the halo mounted on. Fingers crossed.
    On the eastbound there was an ABB van parked in front of the chargers but no movement. Pissing rain though.


  • #273
    fricatus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    innrain wrote: »
    On the eastbound there was an ABB van parked in front of the chargers but no movement. Pissing rain though.

    We appreciate your dedication and your live reporting from the scene! :D

    Once I can get back to visiting friends in Dublin, this Ionity location will be my go-to.


  • #274
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yeah, same, once they keep up the maingau pricing that is


  • #275
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Gorey out of action, and just got gazumped at the ESB 50kW charger. Fffff.


  • #276
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    How do you get "gazumped".


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  • #277
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,220 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Lumen wrote: »
    Gorey out of action, and just got gazumped at the ESB 50kW charger. Fffff.

    Does this happen often IONITY chargers being offline ?


  • #278
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Does this happen often IONITY chargers being offline ?
    No. I've never seen it and I use them (especially that Gorey one) a lot


  • #279
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    ELM327 wrote: »
    How do you get "gazumped".
    Parked at the charger trying to get the ****ty ESB app to work, someone pulls up on the next space and plugs in.


  • #280
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    ELM327 wrote: »
    No. I've never seen it and I use them (especially that Gorey one) a lot

    Me neither! I've come to rely on them being... reliable :pac:


  • #281
    irishgrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    Lumen wrote: »
    Parked at the charger trying to get the ****ty ESB app to work, someone pulls up on the next space and plugs in.

    ouch!


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  • #282
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Lumen wrote: »
    Parked at the charger trying to get the ****ty ESB app to work, someone pulls up on the next space and plugs in.
    Ah. Yes I'd always suggest getting out and plugging in first.
    The app will work after that, it does for me anyway.


    If you plug in CCS you can just get back in the car and start the charge from the app, whereas with chademo you need to press start on the charger too.


  • #283
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Ah. Yes I'd always suggest getting out and plugging in first.

    But the app said "swipe and charge". :D
    ELM327 wrote: »
    If you plug in CCS you can just get back in the car and start the charge from the app, whereas with chademo you need to press start on the charger too.

    Splendid, good to know!


  • #284
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    slave1 wrote: »
    Service takes place here so should be Irish VAT but that's just an opinion, VAT accounting very specialised

    Yeah vat accounting is complicated,

    There is a threshold value before you have to charge Irish vat if selling into the country, otherwise you can just charge your home country's VAT (unless the customer is vat registered, then no vat is paid.)


  • #285
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    graememk wrote: »
    Yeah vat accounting is complicated,

    There is a threshold value before you have to charge Irish vat if selling into the country, otherwise you can just charge your home country's VAT (unless the customer is vat registered, then no vat is paid.)

    Was just about to post the same. They have to exceed a certain annual turnover in Ireland before they are forced to get an irish VAT number. Until then their local VAT applies.

    Books from Amazon once upon a time were VAT free ( no VAT on books in the UK ). Obviously Amazon has way too much turnover, so that did not last.

    /M


  • #286
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    VAT rules for gas,electric and TV/internet type of stuff are according to the country where they are being consumed.

    https://www.webdoctor.ie/online-prescriptions/#:~:text=Through%20an%20online%20medical%20questionnaire%2C%20face%2Dto%2Dface%20consultation,to%20booking%20a%20video%20consultation. not affiliated, just being helpful.



  • #287
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    VAT rules for gas,electric and TV/internet type of stuff are according to the country where they are being consumed.

    Also that .. doesn't work quite that way. That's for fixed installations.

    Cars (electric ones) and mobile phones could be in one country one day, then in another the other day or a few hours later. And you still pay your bill in the country, where you have subscribed, not where you consume.

    /M


  • #288
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    VAT rules for gas,electric and TV/internet type of stuff are according to the country where they are being consumed.

    Yeah, but with the likes of maingu, using a roaming network ionity, so maingu is the customer, to ionity .... its all complicated, and if things were getting sticky for them vat wise, they would only restrict customers to places they have a presence in


  • #289
    BigAl81
    Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    Cyrus wrote:
    Does this happen often IONITY chargers being offline ?

    I was charging at Ionity City North today, there's two charges there.

    1 was working, 1 was out of order. I reported the out of order one to Ionity and they said they'll send someone out to fix it.

    I also asked if more will be added, and he said it depends on demand!

    I was connected for 13 minutes in my classic Ioniq and averaged about 65kWh charging speed which is pretty good.

    I used my Maingau card and everything worked first time. By comparison, I charged on the ESB charger in Castlebelingham a few days ago, and it took three or 4 attempts to start the charger and I only charged at 50kWh so can't complain too much!


  • #290
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭innrain


    Chargepoint showing, 64 cents /kWh at Ionity


  • #291
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    innrain wrote: »
    Chargepoint showing, 64 cents /kWh at Ionity

    Ballix... but it was good while it lasted. :p


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  • #292
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,220 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Really the 7 quid per session is gone now :(


  • #293
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭innrain


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Really the 7 quid per session is gone now :(


    At least you can get one of the best rates with Audi .31/kWh if I'm not mistaken


  • #294
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    I was charging at Ionity City North today............................
    I was connected for 13 minutes in my Ioniq and averaged about 65kWh 65kW charging speed which is pretty good.

    Fixed that for you Al :D.
    innrain wrote: »
    Chargepoint showing, 64 cents /kWh at Ionity

    Gawd damn it :mad:.

    Kill East/Northbound.
    hGAWqdv.jpg
    Kill West/Southbound.
    rSVzYTy.jpg

    64c/kWh is extortionate - madness the only way to not be absolutely fleeced now is by signing up to a German eMSP :rolleyes:.

    It won't be long now before Maingau join the club & make Ionity a ridiculously expensive option.


  • #295
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    innrain wrote: »
    At least you can get one of the best rates with Audi .31/kWh if I'm not mistaken

    By buying a €100k E-Tron?
    That might be a false economy :P.


  • #296
    BigAl81
    Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    Thanks for the photos, no sign of Kill on the Ionity app yet, but it must be opening very soon.

    Another eight 150kW chargers coming online is a big day in Irish EV charging news!


  • #297
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,666 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Kramer wrote: »
    64c/kWh is extortionate - madness the only way to not be absolutely fleeced now is by signing up to a German eMSP :rolleyes:.

    It won't be long now before Maingau join the club & make Ionity a ridiculously expensive option.

    Madness is that even if you WANT to sign up to BMW’s eMSP, you can’t!


  • #298
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,220 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    So is the charge point card effectively useless now ? Electric Ireland and Maingau are the only two worth having or am I missing one ?


  • #299
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Cyrus wrote: »
    So is the charge point card effectively useless now ? Electric Ireland and Maingau are the only two worth having or am I missing one ?

    EasyGo, though I think mostly people use the app, not a card


  • #300
    jordan191
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭jordan191


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    EasyGo, though I think mostly people use the app, not a card

    Pity that they're making it more expensive than diesel, it's not really going to entice people from their Ice cars thankfully I can charge for 8 c a kwH at home, hopefully esb 150kw chargers will be cheaper than this


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  • #301
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    jordan191 wrote: »
    Pity that they're making it more expensive than diesel, it's not really going to entice people from their Ice cars thankfully I can charge for 8 c a kwH at home, hopefully esb 150kw chargers will be cheaper than this

    I don't buy the "more expensive than diesel" bit I keep hearing. How often do you charge outside of your home? I know exclusively to these DC charge points it's more expensive than diesel, but who does that?


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