Where do the cows go?

YFlyer · 18-10-2019 6:22pm

gozunda wrote: »

Incorrect. Cows are not 'all' artificially disseminated by any means. A real live bull is used on many farms. Lots of things cant survive in the wild (such as pets) but no one is suggesting wiping them out.

Dogs can survive in the wild.

markjbloggs · 18-10-2019 6:24pm

Why don't we just eat them all?

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2019 6:28pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Dogs can survive in the wild.

Not all dog breeds.

Danthemanhere · 18-10-2019 6:28pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Pinics.

Pinics: Of or pertaining to the pine; obtained from the pine; formerly, designating an acid which is the chief constituent of common resin,

YFlyer · 18-10-2019 6:29pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not all dog breeds.

True.

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2019 6:29pm

Danthemanhere wrote: »

Pinics: Of or pertaining to the pine; obtained from the pine; formerly, designating an acid which is the chief constituent of common resin,

No sandwiches and lashings of ginger ale.

Danthemanhere · 18-10-2019 6:31pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No sandwiches and lashings of ginger ale.

:pac: Oh right.

Iodine1 · 18-10-2019 6:33pm

Cows will probably end up in a cow museum.

Aceandstuff · 18-10-2019 6:34pm

This thread looks like something straight out of the newest episode of South Park, "Let Them Eat Goo".

Basically, most of South Park goes vegan because Tegridy Farms makes a new hemp burger and people get the munchies for more Tegridy burgers, etc, etc. Another vegan meat company arrives on the scene and isn't happy with this. Eventually, it leads to the local cattle farmer complaining to Randy and dumping his livestock on Tegridy farm. Randy and Towelie get stoned and go on a totally ethical and vegan cattle shooting spree.

Feeling controversial, might set up a South Park discussion thread later, IDK.

emaherx · 18-10-2019 6:50pm

Eathrin wrote: »

No but they'd probably sell it back to the state or take a forestry grant if they had no better use for it. Animal agriculture is a horribly inefficient use of land.

Ireland is just about the least forested country in Europe now. The extinction event already happened here and it's happening elsewhere in the world right now.

Ireland has gone from 1% forestation a century ago to 11% today and is increasing. Also no hedge rows are included in these figures we have much more of those than most European countries.

Animal agriculture is the most efficient way to produce food from land than is mostly only good at growing grass.

gozunda · 18-10-2019 7:26pm

Effects wrote: »

Yeah, I'm going to take the word of a confirmed troll such as yourself :rolleyes:

I'm sure you have loads of naturally inseminated, inbred cattle running around your farm. :rolleyes:

Jesus christ. Reported.

Dakota Dan · 18-10-2019 7:30pm

Effects wrote: »

Most vegans keep unwanted cattle as pets, until they die of natural causes.
All cows are artificially inseminated so they can't survive in the wild anyway.

They can't survive in the wild because they are artificially inseminated?

:D:D

gozunda · 18-10-2019 7:33pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Dogs can survive in the wild.

So can wild bovines and even some domestic ones. But that's not the point is it.

Dakota Dan · 18-10-2019 7:47pm

gozunda wrote: »

Yes - in many countries they are. There is just a fraction of the number of Donkeys now. In Africa and elsewhere the Chinese are buying them up to use in traditional medicine. Some countries indiginous populationsof donkies are being decimated. Not going to link to the story as per the charter here. But a google will bring up the details if you want to check it out ...

Every Tom, Dick and Harry had a donkey in days gone by not as many around now.

Dakota Dan · 18-10-2019 7:53pm

Danthemanhere wrote: »

At the end of the day, it comes down to money. People will move away from traditional farming if that's where the larger profits are. Effects doesn't want to say much about it but does anyone have any information on whether plant based farming can be just as profitable for farmers?

The thing is livestock are part of the farming package as all land is not suited for crops or crops for human consumption and livestock are needed to put organic matter back in the soil, compost simply won't work. There was an article on the internet explaining why the world can't go vegan.

Dakota Dan · 18-10-2019 7:58pm

Eathrin wrote: »

No but they'd probably sell it back to the state or take a forestry grant if they had no better use for it. Animal agriculture is a horribly inefficient use of land.

Ireland is just about the least forested country in Europe now. The extinction event already happened here and it's happening elsewhere in the world right now.

Whatever you do don't glue yourself to a London tube.

gozunda · 18-10-2019 8:30pm

Just for clarity - basic article here about the use of stock bulls.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/are-you-managing-your-stock-bull-correctly/

Tbh the one thing I find extremly disingenuous is the amount of misinformation that is being put out about farming. It really doesn't help any discussion tbh.

Effects · 18-10-2019 8:45pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No responsible animal owner, whether breeding dogs or farming cattle allows inbreeding and to suggest otherwise is idiotic.

Yeah, that was my point. You missed that.

Odelay · 18-10-2019 8:52pm

Effects wrote: »

Yeah, that was my point. You missed that.

You should think about using “roll eyes” or something similar. Some people could take your posts as an example of what happens on the ground.

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2019 9:05pm

Effects wrote: »

Yeah, that was my point. You missed that.

You were being serious?

topmanamillion · 18-10-2019 9:26pm

gozunda wrote: »

Just for clarity - basic article here about the use of stock bulls.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/are-you-managing-your-stock-bull-correctly/

Tbh the one thing I find extremly disingenuous is the amount of misinformation that there is about farming. It really doesn't help any discussion tbh.

A massive amount of misinformation out there.
The difference between animal welfare levels in Ireland and places like the USA and South America is huge.
It's why Irish farmers are so strongly against Mercosur.

Eathrin · 18-10-2019 10:02pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Whatever you do don't glue yourself to a London tube.

And the same to you I suppose...

Say my name · 18-10-2019 10:18pm

Danthemanhere wrote: »

I'm just wondering, if everyone becomes vegan, where do the cows go? What do we do with them? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'd be interested in becoming a vegan but I've just never figured out what happens to cattle if they're no longer needed for food?

They'd still go to the factory to be turned into cuts for the British market.

Maybe you mean if some miraculous mass world conversion took place.
They'd still go the factory to be turned into lipstick, jet fuel, insulin, antifreeze, steroids, blood thinners, collegan, gellatin, leather and hundreds of other products.

Dakota Dan · 19-10-2019 10:19am

Eathrin wrote: »

And the same to you I suppose...

No fear as I'm not an XR nutter.

s7ryf3925pivug · 19-10-2019 10:22am

jet fuel? So an authentic vegan cannot fly in a plane?

Prisca · 19-10-2019 10:23am

Cows live on until they don’t anymore.

emaherx · 19-10-2019 10:29am

Bodie Damp Motorbike wrote: »

jet fuel? So an authentic vegan cannot fly in a plane?

More likely lubricants used in jet engines than fuel but also brake fluids and antifreezes for cars. But then again anyone who seriously believes we shouldn't eat meat for environmental reasons shouldn't fly in planes anyway.

emaherx · 19-10-2019 10:31am

Prisca wrote: »

Cows live on until they don’t anymore.

Just like now. Great first post welcome to Boards.ie

endainoz · 19-10-2019 10:58am

Effects wrote:

Most vegans keep unwanted cattle as pets, until they die of natural causes. All cows are artificially inseminated so they can't survive in the wild anyway.

Effects wrote:

I'm a vegan farmer, of course I believe that.

Effects wrote:

As a farmer myself, I've already given up land to return to nature. I get paid by the EU to do so.

Effects wrote:

Nuts, berries, fruits.

Sounds like you have a few briars in your back garden. You have me a good laugh all the same.

Let's keep it going for the craic, are you in the organic scheme seen as your a vegan farmer?

Rikand · 19-10-2019 12:14pm

Bodie Damp Motorbike wrote: »

jet fuel? So an authentic vegan cannot fly in a plane?

They also have to choose to die to diabetes too.

s7ryf3925pivug · 19-10-2019 12:22pm

emaherx wrote: »

More likely lubricants used in jet engines than fuel but also brake fluids and antifreezes for cars. But then again anyone who seriously believes we shouldn't eat meat for environmental reasons shouldn't fly in planes anyway.

*except for mandatory pilgrimages to India and South America obviously.

Aceandstuff · 19-10-2019 12:25pm

Rikand wrote: »

They also have to choose to die to diabetes too.

Diabetic here, and I'm not even remotely vegan BTW. My insulin is made by modified e.coli, not cows. I have heard of pork insulins still being used, but not beef. It has been a while since I read up on it, so I only know what's going on with my own medications right now.

Anyway, does any vegan have a problem with e.coli and yeast being used to create hormones that save human beings from dying? I can't say I've heard about it, but I am sure I will. So far, zero of the vegans I know have taken issue with the way I don't "choose to die to diabetes".

nthclare · 19-10-2019 12:28pm

Cow's are amazing animals, I love them.
These big eye's, they're very curious and living in the Burren up near the winterage you can see how their coats get really furry in the winter.

If you drive from Lisdoonvarna Around to Ballyvaughan from now on you'll see the wild cattle grazing away on the limestone plateau's.

Around November they take on change and their hair grows very long, they're really fluffy looking.

You can also see them along the commonage in the Burren...

s7ryf3925pivug · 19-10-2019 12:35pm

They're in the field behind my house about half the time. When they are there my garden is full of flies. It's really gross.

They fart methane. They take up land that could have trees planted in it instead. They are sometimes given feed imported from different countries. Therefore from an environmental point of view they should just be slaughtered and consumed.

endainoz · 19-10-2019 12:45pm

Bodie Damp Motorbike wrote:

They're in the field behind my house about half the time. When they are there my garden is full of flies. It's really gross. They fart methane. They take up land that could have trees planted in it instead. They are sometimes given feed imported from different countries. Therefore from an environmental point of view they should just be slaughtered and consumed.

Jesus your obsessed with your flies, you also have absolutely no idea or proof that their feed is imported. In fact it likely isn't at all, you forgot they fertilize the ground too. They could also co exist quite easily with a few trees in the field so they could compliment each other from a habitat point of view, dosent have to be one extreme or the other.

Also the last line of your post makes zero sense and not worth responding to.

It's actually difficult to decipher the people who post here sometimes, either they are expert trolls or completely uninformed idiots.

corks finest · 19-10-2019 1:44pm

Only on boards FFS would you get quirky questions+ answers like these,,,,,put a smile on my face today- thank you,as it was badly needed

corks finest · 19-10-2019 1:45pm

BDI wrote:

We would give them a small country to rule as they see fit. Somewhere with lots of grass.

That's a cracker,v funny - witty answer,you must be from Cork kid

corks finest · 19-10-2019 1:45pm

Captain Flaps wrote:

We don't eat donkeys, are they endangered?

Another good answer

gozunda · 19-10-2019 8:03pm

Bodie Damp Motorbike wrote: »

...
They fart methane. They take up land that could have trees planted in it instead. They are sometimes given feed imported from different countries. Therefore from an environmental point of view they should just be slaughtered and consumed.

Nope. Incorrect. It is cows burps not farts which are news regarding emissions. But if you are wondering about some of the most significant causes of methane emissions - a recent NASA study, has confirmed significant Methane spikes have been tied to Oil and Gas and rice production.

Combining isotopic evidence from ground surface measurements with the newly calculated fire emissions, the team showed that about 17 teragrams per year of the increase is due to fossil fuels, another 12 is from wetlands or rice farming, while fires are decreasing by about 4 teragrams per year. The three numbers combine to 25 teragrams a year -- the same as the observed increase.

https://www.ecowatch.com/nasa-study-methane-spike-2526089909.html?fbclid=IwAR1U87gLM7Mz9MyrYPPoBEfixyCldqpLIDUR0H0ijJFSgRl4lRqoUEw0uxE

But yes cows produce milk - which is recognised as a valuable part of healthy balanced diet. From a purely environmental viewpoint - it would surely be much better to demolish the vast concrete urban wastelands to the plant forests. Oh and the feedstuffs which are sometimes fed to cattle and other animals are primarily the waste and by-products of the human food industry. It doesn't surprise me that some plant food advocates think cows should be eradicated. The same viewpoint apparently is held by a number of leading plant food advocates who also want all wild predators wiped off tte face off the planet. Nice ...

Plumbthedepths · 19-10-2019 9:07pm

I've read some of PETA's ideology, how you can have the word 'Ethical' in your acronym , yet want predatory animals wiped out. Wonder have they studied the effects that would have on the ecosystem?

s7ryf3925pivug · 19-10-2019 9:20pm

There are about a billion cows, and they each produce about 100kg of methane a year from farts and burps. That is a total of 100,000,000,000kg of methane or 100 teragrams of it. Which is lots.

s7ryf3925pivug · 19-10-2019 9:55pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DvhFzrTuqc

emaherx · 19-10-2019 10:02pm

Bodie Damp Motorbike wrote: »

There are about a billion cows, and they each produce about 100kg of methane a year from farts and burps. That is a total of 100,000,000,000kg of methane or 100 teragrams of it. Which is lots.

If humans didn't exist how many wild ruminants would there be? What would their methane impact be?

I've seen estimates that there were between 50 and 100 million buffalo in America compared to the modern 100 million cattle.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22178852/

According to this link 50 million Buffalo would produce 86% of the modern 100 million cattle in America's methane. Which is interesting because every continent except Antarctica should have large numbers of Bison and many other wild ruminants like aurochs, elk, deer etc.

The NASA study refered to earlier can directly link the recent spike in methane to Oil/gas production and increases in rice production
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2668/nasa-led-study-solves-a-methane-puzzle/

the_syco · 19-10-2019 11:31pm

Danthemanhere wrote: »

I'm just wondering, if everyone becomes vegan, where do the cows go?

They'd be killed off to make room for crops.

gozunda · 20-10-2019 12:02am

the_syco wrote: »

They'd be killed off to make room for crops.

Areas which grow grass well are not necessarily suitable for arable or horticultural production. In many parts of Ireland a combination of soil type, topography and climate means that commercial crop production for human grade crops is a no go. We can't eat grass that grows well but animals can.

The other issue is that soil cultivation and harvesting cause significant loss of carbon to the atmosphere. Where crops can be grown successfully, the removal of livestock will mean increased use of fossil fuel to manufacture even more artificial fertilisers in order to maintain some semblance of soil fertility. The pipe dream of eradicating livestock does not make a particularly good reality...

davidjtaylor · 20-10-2019 2:04pm

Effects wrote: »

As a farmer myself, I've already given up land to return to nature. I get paid by the EU to do so.

Yes, I've heard of this. Fair play to ya. Also, I know dairy farmers' vegan sons who have inherited the farm and either forested it (again, subsidised but a much more acceptable use of subsidies) or opened an animal sanctuary.

emaherx · 20-10-2019 2:26pm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Yes, I've heard of this. Fair play to ya. Also, I know dairy farmers' vegan sons who have inherited the farm and either forested it (again, subsidised but a much more acceptable use of subsidies) or opened an animal sanctuary.

Yes a much better use than feeding people

The11Duff · 21-10-2019 8:30pm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Yes, I've heard of this. Fair play to ya. Also, I know dairy farmers' vegan sons who have inherited the farm and either forested it (again, subsidised but a much more acceptable use of subsidies) or opened an animal sanctuary.

More than one?

_Brian · 22-10-2019 8:52am

Effects wrote: »

As a farmer myself, I've already given up land to return to nature. I get paid by the EU to do so.

Can you please say which payment you get that allows land return to nature, genuinely I’d like to know.
We allow small corners return wild but fear of being disallowed on larger areas stops us.

I’m genuinely not aware of any scheme that pays a subsidy for wilding land.

El Tarangu · 22-10-2019 9:20am

Danthemanhere wrote: »

Do you think farmers will give up their land to be returned to nature?

Probably not.

Do you think farmers would continue raising cattle at current levels if either:
(i) increasing numbers of people stopped eating beef for whatever reason, or;
(ii) they no longer received subsidies at current levels?

Where do the cows go?

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