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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Yeah the Rosary :) Catholic pilates

    Catholic boxercise aka punches pilates :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    You can tell where they get their inspiration from though, seems some people down there have the aul' religion real bad.
    Ye gods, those curtains. And that chaise-longue. It's like we're back in 1973 again. Hope they had an avocado toilet suite to match the rest of the decor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    More craziness in the southeast.

    Parents complain over priest's plans to pay 'exorcism' visits

    The diocese of Ferns has received a number of complaints from parents of first Holy Communion children after a priest said that he will be visiting homes "for rosaries and exorcisms".

    The priest, Fr Michael Doyle, is parish priest of Poulfur-Templetown in Co Wexford and made his comments at mass on Sunday.

    He has told parents from Scoil Mhaodhoig Poulfur that he expects them to attend Sunday mass in the run-up to first communion next May and, according to a spokesman for the diocese of Ferns, said he will be "visiting their houses for rosaries and exorcisms".

    The matter has been referred to the diocese's vicar-general Fr Joe McGrath, who is effectively the "second-in-command" behind Bishop Denis Brennan in Ferns.

    The diocesan spokesman told RTNews that "if we have to rectify or clarify anything, we will do so".

    He added that "we live in an age of invitation" when it comes to people visiting other people's homes.

    Domini Codd, the principal of the national school, which has a total enrolment of over 170 children, said they have received "no complaints" about the matter and said that preparations for first communion are continuing as normal.

    However, the diocese confirmed that "there were a number of parents complaining" about the matter.

    Attempts to contact Fr Michael Doyle proved unsuccessful.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    [...] behind Bishop Denis Brennan [...]
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Bishop Brennan - how did I not spot that!!!

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Brexit hits the church's JIT supply lines:

    https://extra.ie/2019/10/27/news/brexit/brexit-shortages-church-bread-supplier

    Why not have Jesus deliver them by foot directly from Europe? No need for a landbridge at all.
    Extra.ie wrote:
    Double the amount of communion wafers and altar wine have been ordered in advance of Brexit by one of the country’s biggest ecclesiastical suppliers. Tens of millions of individual altar breads are needed by the Irish market each year and are largely imported from Europe, but are predominantly transported via the UK landbridge.

    While a number of religious orders also produce millions of altar breads each year, their produce is not enough to cope with demand, as it is estimated that more than six million altar breads are needed for those attending mass in Dublin alone each year.

    Speaking with the Irish Mail on Sunday, Desmond Wisley of the ecclesiastical firm of the same name, said that his firm ordered millions of extra supplies of altar bread in advance of the last Brexit deadline of October 31. Whatever challenges Brexit may pose, Mr Wisley is seeking to ensure that Mass, at least, will be Brexit-proof.

    ‘Every month we get approximately 1.5 million breads in stock. We have doubled the order to three million in case of any delays in transit through the UK.’

    In addition, while they usually order two pallets of altar wine a month, they have increased this to four pallets, or 2,280 bottles of wine, which has 15% alcohol content.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Couldn't they just break them in half or something if they get stuck? Would that affect the "dose" ?

    Also, if priests are having to celebrate several masses on a Sunday and drive between them, that 15% wine might not look too clever...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭wench


    Extra.ie wrote: »
    it is estimated that more than six million altar breads are needed for those attending mass in Dublin alone each year.
    Census gives 930K Catholics in Dublin, so that's 6.5 breads per person per year.

    Mustn't be very hungry...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    wench wrote: »
    Census gives 930K Catholics in Dublin, so that's 6.5 breads per person per year.

    Mustn't be very hungry...

    6 million a year - given the size of them, I presume they come in packets of 50 or 100. So either 1100 or 2200 packs a week. I'd say more packets of cigarettes are brought into Dublin every day than that. I think Irish mass goers will survive, if smokers do.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    volchitsa wrote: »
    6 million a year - given the size of them, I presume they come in packets of 50 or 100. So either 1100 or 2200 packs a week. I'd say more packets of cigarettes are brought into Dublin every day than that. I think Irish mass goers will survive, if smokers do.

    Could be a business opportunity for old mister Brennan there. The baker that is, not the bishop ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Today's hosts, today.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Today's hosts, today.
    And if Brexit happens, it'll be "Yesterday's hosts - tomorrah".


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Barbaric...but you can't help but see the irony

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50258727
    An Indonesian man - who worked for an organisation that helped draft strict adultery laws - has been publicly whipped after being caught having an affair with a married woman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If he thought it was good enough for others, it's good enough for him...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    robindch wrote: »
    And if Brexit happens, it'll be "Yesterday's hosts - tomorrah".

    I'm sure I heard years ago that it was permissible to break the host into pieces in cases of shortage, and each retained a full dose of the magic™ but can't find a reference for that.

    I was wondering does the magic™ go off after a while, couldn't find an answer to that either, but I did find a host of frequently asked questions here:

    https://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/index.htm

    Some fun 'facts':

    DISPOSING OF CONSECRATED HOSTS
    Q. 1. What is the proper way of disposing of a Consecrated Host?

    A. 1. The proper way of disposing of a Consecrated Host is to:

    A. In a situation where a communicant drops the Sacred Host on the floor in the Church when receiving the Sacrament of Holy Communion, he should pick it up and consume it immediately.

    B. In the case where a priest or extra-ordinatry Eucharistic minister served the Sacred Host to an elderly in a Senior's Home and the senior spit it out, being unable to swallow it, the Sacred Host should be collected by the priest, placed in the purificator (Altar linen) and returned to the parish for the priest to dispose of it.

    C. To dispose of a Sacred Host, the priest or eucharistic minister must dissolve it in water to the point where the Host no longer has the appearance of bread. This may require that the Host be broken up in pieces prior to placing it in water.

    D. The next step is to pour the liquid down the sacristies sacrarium (a special sink with a drain going directly into the ground, not the sewer). When such is not available, the liquid should be poured on the ground in a location that would not be walked over, such as behind a flower bed that is along a wall, at the foot of a statue or similar places.

    Ya couldn't have Jesus going down the jacks. Well, not undigested, anyway.
    For a second there I thought the priest was going to have to eat some old geezer's spat out host, yuk.


    THE REASONS FOR HAVING AN ABORTION
    Have you ever seen these numbers?

    321,200,000: population in the US in 2015.

    17,810,000: population age 14 and under.

    303,390,000: population age 15 and over.

    151,695,000: population of the female gender.

    58,000,000: abortions performed in the US from 1973-2011.

    Therefore 38% of females in the US have had an abortion.

    That means 1 of very 3 women you know is a murderer.

    Does that include your sister(s), your mother and your grandmother? Do you come from a family of murderers?

    This is the alleged compassionate gender that is trying to take over the Catholic Church. How many local parishes have been taken over by females, having chased away every male volunteer? These are the same females who want women priest and more female involvement in the Vatican. Do we dare to let them advance their agenda? Surely, it will mean the destruction of the Catholic Church.


    These guys might just be a liiiiiitle on the extreme side. They're really not good at maths, either.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Ya couldn't have Jesus going down the jacks. Well, not undigested, anyway.
    Strange - I remember wondering the same thing when I was eight years old or whatever and doing the first communion thing with Bishop Casey in Kerry. Didn't have the courage to ask him and I'm kind of sorry I didn't now.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Indonesia - wherein a man who drafted punitive laws on adultery is prosecuted under punitive laws on adultery.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50258727


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Oops https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111655337&postcount=9714 :)

    Meanwhile, here's another CatholicDoors.com fact bomb I forgot to add:

    GLUTEN FREE HOSTS FOR COMMUNION
    Some people lining up for a gluten-free communion may not have celiac. They may be simply following the latest trend among dieters.


    I also found this:

    Satanist Sells Consecrated Hosts On Major Website For Desecration
    On May 7, Catholics on social media were alerted to an Etsy listing offering what the vendor claimed were “Real Catholic Hosts, consecrated by a priest.”

    The seller, calling himself “AL” and his business “Pentagora,” stated that the purpose of the nine hosts was “to abuse for classic black fairs or black magic purposes.”

    The hosts, he said, were made and consecrated in Germany, and the listing indicated that they would be shipped from Germany.

    LifeSiteNews contacted the vendor for evidence that the hosts were indeed consecrated.

    “Maybe you don’t know, but to celebrate an authentic black mass, you have to be an ordained Catholic priest,” AL responded.

    “There are a handful of priests in Germany who work in the satanic underground. Unfortunately, I am not allowed to tell you more,” he continued.

    “Germany has always been a country of the occult. You don’t have to believe me. The right people recognize me, that’s all that matters.”

    Beverly Stevens, the editor of Regina Magazine, said the sale of the Blessed Sacrament in Germany didn’t surprise her.

    Stevens, who lived in Germany for seven years, told LifeSiteNews over social media that in that country “Catholic artifacts and sacred objects are routinely treated with the utmost disdain by the hierarchy and the elites they cater to ― so pretty predictable that this would spread to regular people.”

    Stevens said she had seen sacred relics for sale in a Wiesbaden flea market.

    “The seller thought it amusing that we Americans were horrified,” she recalled. “So the sale of consecrated hosts online for satanic worship purposes is completely predictable. I doubt whether Cardinal (Reinhard) Marx would bat an eye.”

    (Emphasis theirs)

    That quote is actually a quote within the article, it's from Life Site News and it's the sanest part of the article - that's not a good sign...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Guru gone wrong documentary.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    ^^ Jaysus!!

    Must give it a watch ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    Gafcon is in the news again.

    Church of Ireland clergy object to conservative bishop’s appointment
    Thirty-six senior Church of Ireland clergy have put their names to an open letter objecting to the appointment of the newly elected Bishop of Down and Dromore due to his involvement with a conservative Anglican group.

    In a letter to the church’s House of Bishops, the signatories say they are concerned Archdeacon David McClay may not be an appropriate choice due to his membership of the Gafcon (Global Anglican Future Conference) Ireland movement.

    They believe the group’s policies are “antithetical” to the principles a Church of Ireland bishop must commit to in the rite of consecration. These include “fostering unity, care for the oppressed, and building up the people of God in all their spiritual and sexual diversity”.

    Gafcon was founded in 2008, originally to oppose same-sex marriage and the ordination of LGBTQ+ people. It has proclaimed itself as a unique upholder of biblical orthodoxy and as “a global family of authentic Anglicans standing together to retain and restore the Bible to the heart of the Anglican Communion”.

    The letter says a Gafcon taskforce last June recommended that “the provinces of Gafcon should retain the historic practice of the consecration only of men as bishops”. In 1990, the church voted in favour of ordaining women as deacons, priests and bishops. It has one woman bishop currently, Bishop of Meath and Kildare Pat Storey.


    Are Church of Ireland bishops about to fail their vast middle ground?

    North/South Church of Ireland divide deepens

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe



    Oh for the days when the Anglican Communion was tearing itself apart over being High Church or Low Church, that's a proper in house bicker topic but now it's all ohhh the ghey. That's sooo 1980s.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Attempted brain washing on a truly vast scale.


    The internal workings of a vast system of Chinese internment camps used to detain at least a million people from the nation’s Muslim minorities are laid out in leaked Communist party documents published on Sunday.
    A classified order from a top Chinese security official makes clear the re-education camps in the country’s north-west – which it describes as vocational training centres – are involuntary, secret and used for ideological “education transformation”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2019/nov/24/china-cables-instructions-on-how-to-run-a-chinese-detention-centre-annotated-document


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    We had pretty much an entire country turned into a brainwashing camp for long enough.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Dublin parish paid €3.5m compensation for loss of light due to new developments
    A Catholic parish in the centre of Dublin was paid €3.5 million in compensation for the loss of light to its church caused by adjacent building developments.

    The Immaculate Heart of Mary Church is on City Quay, on the south side of the Liffey, beside the Talbot Memorial Bridge.

    The quay is currently undergoing extensive development driven by the profits being made from the commercial property market.

    The payment is mentioned in accounts just published by the Parishes of the Diocese of Dublin, the registered Catholic charity that deals with a number of funds and income and payments made by the capital’s Catholic parishes.

    Total income for the parishes during 2018 was €35.6 million, with more than half of this coming from family offerings, donations and shrine income.

    Net income for the charity was €88,000, after which it gained a further €3.2 million from the sale of buildings.

    Stipends to 374 serving priests were €10.4 million, while 69 retired priest[sic] were paid €1.1 million, and €3 million was expended on nursing and homecare costs.

    A linked charity, the Charities of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Dublin, received donations of €842,000 during the year, and legacies of €98,000.

    A separate set of accounts for this charity confirmed that contracts with the GAA for the proposed sale of the college and its lands, at Clonliffe Road, Drumcondra, were signed in May.

    The sale was approved by the Vatican and the Charities Regulator, for a purchase price of €95,157,500, and the property will be sold in four separate tranches between 2019 and 2022, according to the accounts.

    “The charity and the GAA are co-operating closely on plans to ensure the lands and buildings be developed into one of the most significant community projects for the north city in many years, providing housing, jobs and sports facilities.”

    They also revealed that the archdiocese will be making a €700,000 contribution to the cost of the World Meeting of Families event, which was held in Dublin in 2018.

    The three-day event at the RDS co-incided with the visit of Pope Francis. “It was an historic and faith-filled occasion for our church, our city, and our country,” the trustees said in their report.

    “Included in expenses is an expected contribution by the charity in relation to remaining costs for World Meeting of Families 2018, estimated at €700,000.”

    During 2018 payments of €1.02 million were made out of an unrestricted, general fund, in response to clerical sex abuse claims.

    A provision of €10.6 million is contained in the accounts for potential future claims arising from clerical sex abuse of children. The equivalent figure in 2017 was €12.3 million.
    The balance in the general fund at year’s end was €7.6 million.

    The accounts show that during 2018 the charity’s investments dropped €1.6 million in value because the the poor performance of investments markets, but the trustees said the markets “rebounded strongly” in early 2019 and the losses were recouped.

    They say that the estimated Catholic population of the archdiocese, which includes most of Wicklow, considerable sections of Kildare, and parts of Carlow, Wexford and Laois, as well as all of Dublin county, is one million.

    There was a significant decrease, to €6.1 million, from €22.4 million, in the deficit in the diocesan pensions schemes for a number of reasons, including the removal of guaranteed pension increases. The pension schemes are non-contributory for staff.

    Holy Cross College in Drumcondra, which had not functioned as a seminary since 2000, was officially “suppressed” in May of this year and its assets transferred to the archdiocese.

    Well done to them on monetising a right to light, any property column you read where someone is writing in to complain about the deleterious effects of their neighbour's erection tells them there is no general right to light in law.

    Looks like the retired prists are on a "half final salary" DB scheme - non-contributory at that - some deal these days, although their retirement age tends to be rising fast... a worker:retiree ratio of 5.4:1 at the moment but surely that'll go through the roof over the next few years.

    Good to see them making prudent financial provisions for sex abuse claims, wouldn't want to see them bankrupted or anything :rolleyes:

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Well done to them on monetising a right to light, any property column you read where someone is writing in to complain about the deleterious effects of their neighbour's erection tells them there is no general right to light in law.

    We actually have quite strong right to light legislation here if you have a look at the SCSI guidelines, from section 1.2 onward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ah, but you see it says a right to light has to be granted, or gained through a period of long uninterrupted enjoyment*, like a right of way. And Irish courts seem a lot less keen on the latter than English ones are.

    Hence "there is no general right to light in Irish law"**


    * Combining a period of long uninterrupted enjoyment with your neighbour's erection is an exercise left to the reader.

    ** IANAL (this is a description of my professional activities not my hobbies)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Mini-protest outside high-powered legal eagles Arthur Cox this morning.

    3 people with large placards

    "Christian Solicitor Dismissed By Arthur Cox"

    "€70,000 ex-gratia"

    Anyone any idea what this is about? Searches aren't turning up anything.

    Perhaps ironically, Arthur Cox was founded by a priest.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Mini-protest outside high-powered legal eagles Arthur Cox this morning.

    3 people with large placards

    "Christian Solicitor Dismissed By Arthur Cox"

    "€70,000 ex-gratia"

    Anyone any idea what this is about? Searches aren't turning up anything.

    Perhaps ironically, Arthur Cox was founded by a priest.

    there is a thread in AH about this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's about a case from 2014 though! and the employer was Tipperary County Council.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    That's about a case from 2014 though! and the employer was Tipperary County Council.

    oh right, i didnt read the details. bit of a coincidence that the amount was the same. Is that the going rate?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Mini-protest outside high-powered legal eagles Arthur Cox this morning.

    3 people with large placards

    "Christian Solicitor Dismissed By Arthur Cox"

    "€70,000 ex-gratia"

    Anyone any idea what this is about? Searches aren't turning up anything.

    Perhaps ironically, Arthur Cox was founded by a priest.

    Just a guess, but this maybe; https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-christian-lawyer-ejected-screaming-fit-arthur-cox


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Probably that incident alright.

    They were back out at lunchtime. Placard was actually "Christian Solicitor Ejected From Arthur Cox"

    The 70k just seems to be the going rate for hurt Xtian feelings! Although if this guy is a UK employee I doubt he'd get the kid gloves treatment that happened here.

    By the sound of this this guy hasn't even been fired (yet anyway)

    Chancers.

    Expect a LOT more of this "Help help we're being oppressed" stuff in future. BOB was at it in the Irish Times last Saturday. Of course she totally ignored the fact that coutries like Pakistan and Bangladesh are even more vicious in their persecution of atheists/apostates (or even those alleged to be so) than they are of christians.

    Time to pay attention to the persecution of Christians

    In typical Xtian illogic, in Ireland they'll be simultaneously claiming to be a persecuted minority at the same time as they claim to represent the majority of the population, "Christian country" etc :rolleyes:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Back again today. It's the infamous Burkes, you'd recognise them in their mormon-esque suits anywhere.

    Mention of 70k dropped, perhaps on legal advice :pac:

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Placard was actually "Christian Solicitor Ejected From Arthur Cox"

    My furtive imagination renders that like the scene from Alien that sees the demise of John Hurt, except with a mini Christian Solicitor rather than a juvenile alien. Poor old Arthur, eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Or the airlock scene from 2001: A Space Oddysey

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    He'd be pointing at it only he's on crutches.

    Mystery as holy well is painted pink. With additional glue goodness

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/enniscorthyguardian/news/mystery-as-holy-well-is-painted-pink-38725868.html

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    A close-knit community in Enniscorthy is trying to find out who is responsible for painting a local holy well pink and why it was done. Local man, Terry Canavan, visited the well on Sunday, November 17, and to his amazement saw it had been painted a bright pink colour. However, it's not just the stone wall and gate surrouning the well that were painted as a chair located nearby, and a stone plaque were also given a make-over.

    Because of the fact holy statues that were located on a small alter at the site were placed neatly around the top of the wall of the well locals believe it wasn't an act of vandalism that turned the iconic and ancient holy site into an eye-catching pink vista. Mr Canavan is a regular visitor to the site, however, because of an injury he wasn't down there for around two months prior to his visit a week-and-a-half ago. 'I was really shocked when I saw it,' he told this newspaper.

    'It's a real mystery because it would have taken a bit of time to do it and the fact the statues weren't smashed or broken makes it look like it was done for a reason other than vandalism,' he added. However, no-one around the locality saw anything, or anyone, in the area and that makes the mystery behind it all the more intriguing.

    Locals are encouraging whoever is responsible to make themselves known just so they can find out why it was done and if there was a specific reason behind it. 'I would have been in the habit of keeping the well and the area around it fairly clean,' said Mr Canavan. 'Unfortunatly, I wasn't able to get down there for a while,' he added.

    However, he didn't expect that the next time he would see the well it would be pink. Because of the fact the wall completely encloses the water in the well also means that whoever painted it likely had to stand, literally, in the well water to complete the job. They also glued a holy statue onto the gate pier at the entrance to the well site from the road. There is a reference to the well in the Topographical Dictionary of Ireland dated 1837.

    Mr Canavan said that whoever is responsible for painting the well can contact him in strict confidence on 085 7338437 to ascertain the reason why it was painted pink.

    'We'd just like to know why it was done,' he said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Looks a lot more like lilac tbh - not pink :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    The Carmelite Nuns of the Holy Face of Jesus (love that name!) just keep providing comedy gold.

    The West Cork congregation of 2 (and a statue) were up before the Beak due to lack of planning permission issues and failure to comply.
    Before events began, Judge McNulty said while the court was respectful of all faiths and to those who venerate statues, "this is no place for holy statues".

    And so Sr Anne Marie was asked to store the Child of Prague elsewhere while the hearing got underway...

    ...Sr Irene had dispensed with her solicitor from the earlier hearing and she and Sr Anne Marie were deep in prayer before proceedings commenced...

    ...On visiting the site last Monday he was "met by a very abusive Nun", he said, adding "various disparaging words were said of me". ...

    ...She apologised for the green building, but was not backing down when it came to the other contentious aspects. "I would say that on the [remaining] sheds that are presently there, if we are to remove these we will be virtually homeless," she said. "We are living in them, believe it or not. We are very comfortable in them. We are not in third world conditions.


    "We have no other accommodation at the moment, other than these two residential sheds." Another shed acts as a kitchen. "We are having to take the blessed sacraments within our bedrooms in a small hatch in the wall," she said. "We meet together in each other's cell, otherwise we are alone in silence."...

    ...Sr Anne Marie, a young Nun, then took the stand. To borrow a phrase, the mouse roared, the Kiwi belying her quiet and steady demeanour by taking aim at the Council in a prepared statement. She wrote her surname on a piece of paper she provided to the Judge, not wanting to provide it in open court, giving her name as "Sr Anne Marie of the Sacred Heart"....

    ...Judge McNulty said:

    "I am a great believer in 'the Lord provides'. But he will have to hurry up. You may have to pray harder, Sister.

    "Sometimes if the prayer goes unanswered, that is your answer, but it seems like you are making progress."...

    ...Later Sr Irene handed out some sheets of paper outlining its defence and a poem writen by a Carmelite nun and dated yesterday, before some time later emerging into the wind and rain, their faces covered by their habits and the Child of Prague in their arms.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/this-is-no-place-for-holy-statues-carmelite-nun-at-centre-of-planning-row-at-skibbereen-court-969591.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    The Carmelite Nuns of the Holy Face of Jesus (love that name!) just keep providing comedy gold.

    The West Cork congregation of 2 (and a statue) were up before the Beak due to lack of planning permission issues and failure to comply.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/this-is-no-place-for-holy-statues-carmelite-nun-at-centre-of-planning-row-at-skibbereen-court-969591.html

    Only in Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fair play to the judge, it's as if they were expecting him to be all deferential to them.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,777 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I like the notion of a lack of 'strong and willing men' delaying their plans, I have strong and willing men doing restoration work on my house at the moment - I find that paying them is a great encouragement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    looksee wrote: »
    I like the notion of a lack of 'strong and willing men' delaying their plans, I have strong and willing men doing restoration work on my house at the moment - I find that paying them is a great encouragement.

    I liked how Sr Anne Marie was described as the mouse that roared. :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    The courthouse must have been packed with journos as everybody's filed a report on this one, some with delicious details. Nice to see the country's hard-working journalists finally getting a chance to stretch their legs in the field of "gentle but devastating" reporting.

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/West-Cork-nun-found-guilty-of-breaching-planning-laws-c9efccd2-6082-403d-b988-7e2ce2e53370-ds
    https://www.thesun.ie/news/4870945/hermit-nun-found-guilty-planning-laws-breach/
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nuns-hopeful-they-can-stay-in-their-cork-home-despite-claims-it-was-entirely-unauthorised-38114938.html
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/nun-found-guilty-of-breaking-planning-laws-at-cork-compound-1.4111116

    Judge McNulty is reported to have told Gibson:
    I am a great believer in ‘the Lord provides’ - but he may need to hurry up. You may need to pray harder, Sister.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    With Child of Prague goodness:

    497393.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What's with the covering their faces thing? Even back in the old days nuns didn't do that (well, apart from the ones who were never let out in public, I suppose.)

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »
    With Child of Prague goodness:

    497393.jpg

    All we need now is a Boris Johnson article about pillar boxes. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,817 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    What's with the covering their faces thing? Even back in the old days nuns didn't do that (well, apart from the ones who were never let out in public, I suppose.)

    Was wondering that, too. My guess is some freakery about being part of the 'face of Jeebus' order? Kind of look like Xtian niqabs to me.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    What's with the covering their faces thing?
    Avoiding the public, I suppose. They're supposed to be hermits after all - though they don't live in that place any more, but in a distinctly weird outfit a few miles away called "The Priory", run by the SSPX Resistance, a ragtag group of hardliners who make the pansies who write and print "Alive!" look like wimps.

    Anyway, there's more than a touch of a K-S20 security droid about the nun at the front.

    497397.jpg497399.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    robindch wrote: »
    the SSPX Resistance, a ragtag group of hardliners who make the pansies who write and print "Alive!" look like wimps.

    The ballot box in one hand, and the Carmelites in the other?

    Scrap the cap!



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