Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

ismat · 02-02-2019 11:41pm

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

It’s not a “fact” for all teacher unions.
But don’t let the actual facts get in the way of a good story.

It’s true that Asti did not sign up to the agreement
Tbh it has not resulted in great results for its members from what I can see.
It’s a bad story for everyone involved but the fact remains that the unions that signed up to the agreement screwed over any new members.

02-02-2019 11:41pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Yet they didn’t show example when they gave themselves another rise lately.
Had they declined that they might have shown example.

Nurses also got a pay rise as well as the politicians.

hmmm · 02-02-2019 11:41pm

road_high wrote: »

No I don’t think that about all nurses- just the callous ones that want to endanger patient safety for a few euros. I’m sure there are many genuine ones in the profession that dont, but are drowned out by the union mob

The nurses lost their last strike when the public became convinced they were only looking for more money. They've approached this exactly the same, which is odd. Everyone likes nurses, and appreciates the work they do, but the money to pay their wages has to come from somewhere - and most of it comes from the salary of private sector workers who, in most cases, earn less and have nothing like the job security a nurse does.

KaneToad · 02-02-2019 11:44pm

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Well 90% votes for strike action.

90% of union members. (I've no idea what % of staff are union members!)

Inspector Coptoor · 02-02-2019 11:46pm

ismat wrote: »

It’s true that Asti did not sign up to the agreement
Tbh it has not resulted in great results for its members from what I can see.
It’s a bad story for everyone involved but the fact remains that the unions that signed up to the agreement screwed over any new members.

I agree with you there.
It hasn’t been good for members.

Using FEMPI legislation when no longer in an “emergency” needs to be challenged.
Paschal et al have been running roughshod over public servants for years now.

Leo talks about making it worthwhile for people to “get up early in the morning”.
People are not seeing the “recovery” and are rightly getting more and more pissed off.

I fully support the nurses, midwives, teachers, ambulance drivers, doctors and anyone else this government has wronged.

noodler · 02-02-2019 11:49pm

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

I agree with you there.
It hasn’t been good for members.

Using FEMPI legislation when no longer in an “emergency” needs to be challenged.
Paschal et al have been running roughshod over public servants for years now.

Leo talks about making it worthwhile for people to “get up early in the morning”.
People are not seeing the “recovery” and are rightly getting more and more pissed off.

I fully support the nurses, midwives, teachers, ambulance drivers, doctors and anyone else this government has wronged.

Anyone earning less than 70,000 has been 'restored'.

So another fallacy is people saying that it isn't a pay rise, its 'restoration'.

road_high · 02-02-2019 11:51pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Without Unions you wouldn’t be earning anywhere near what you’re getting now.
Think about it.

I’m all for unions protecting genuinely vulnerable workers ie those in crap supermarkets on zero contract hours. Not public servants with infinitely better pay and conditions. Unions have lost the plot in my view, they protect the already most protected workers

02-02-2019 11:56pm

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

That’s not say there should be carte Blanche in terms of pay but certainly each profession, how long it takes to train in that profession and working unsocial hours need to be considered.

But that's the thing. What is there to set controls and avoid public sector employees demanding whatever they want and using the public as hostages?

The government sat round with the unions and agreed pay rise just 18 months ago.

Out of the blue comes an additional 12% on top of the already agreed 7%

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

In addition to that, due to the spiraling cost of living in the greater Dublin area, an allowance for living in Dublin needs to be considered as is done in London.

Totally argree.

This would be the Government's best strike busting approach to the PS. Give those living in Dublin a realistic allowance that covers the mad cost if living there. It is common in the private sector and should be applied to the public sector.

03-02-2019 12:00am

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

I agree with you there.
It hasn’t been good for members.

Using FEMPI legislation when no longer in an “emergency” needs to be challenged.
Paschal et al have been running roughshod over public servants for years now.

Leo talks about making it worthwhile for people to “get up early in the morning”.
People are not seeing the “recovery” and are rightly getting more and more pissed off.

I fully support the nurses, midwives, teachers, ambulance drivers, doctors and anyone else this government has wronged.

What has those in the private sector that lost jobs during the recession and were on a reduced dole ever done to you? Or those that had to leave Ireland to put a roof over their head and food on that table?

No mention of supporting these people, no?

jay0109 · 03-02-2019 12:02am

salonfire wrote: »

Totally argree.

This would be the Government's best strike busting approach to the PS. Give those living in Dublin a realistic allowance that covers the mad cost if living there. It is common in the private sector and should be applied to the public sector.

Wouldn't even bother with an allowance. Instead, give those front line public servants that are looking to buy a house first call on affordable housing built inside the M50.
I don't think most people would have an issue with that. It would also help with recruitment and retention in the long term

political analyst · 03-02-2019 12:06am

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/columnists/michael-clifford/goodwill-no-reason-to-raise-nurses-pay-901783.html?fbclid=IwAR2rse1EMSjK_hBwDhwi-wb3ikZ3TTdotAkK8V4jKson2dNZaBoTA3UdIGo?&session=5Z2ggN/8ZUDez5jJrlFECMQlDvU5+xiYtJJdNr8rl38=

The Public Service Pay Commission, which examined recruitment and retention in the system, was published last September. The commission found, among other things, that the only issue in this regard was in some specialised areas. It also found that:

Remuneration wasn’t the main obstacle in those specialised areas experiencing a shortage of qualified personnel;

There were 5,494 first-preference applications for 1,830 nursing and midwifery undergraduate places in 2018; The average earnings for all HSE staff nurses and midwifes (excluding all promotional grades) in 2017 were approximately €51,000, including allowances and overtime payments.

All these points undermine the basis for the current strike, but the INMO doesn’t accept the report. Should there be another examination of the issue? What if the result was the same? Would it still be wrong? Can any group that has excellent lobbying skills and public support simply smother unpalatable facts?

This gives rise to the overarching question about the premise for the strike.

Would one nurse be swayed to return home to the Irish health service if the 12% rise was granted? The public pay commission report says no. The INMO suggests they’d be flocking home by the new time.

Much of this stuff gets lost in the emotion, and understandably so. We live in a time when emotion often trumps reason. This is a growing feature of politics. The brand of populism retailed by the likes of the hard

Brexiteers or Donald Trump operates on the basis that facts are irrelevant to their emotional pitch. Elements of the media, likewise, have recognised that appealing to emotion should be the driving force of the news they produce.

In the case of the nurses, the emotion generated by their cause, and their decision to strike, is genuine and grounded in lived experience.

The balance of reason, in this particular campaign, however, is not in their favour. But in today’s world, it’s not really clear how much that matters. The next few weeks, during which more strikes are scheduled to take place, will tell a lot.

ismat · 03-02-2019 12:06am

salonfire wrote: »

What has those in the private sector that lost jobs during the recession and were on a reduced dole ever done to you? Or those that had to leave Ireland to put a roof over their head and food on that table?

No mention of supporting these people, no?

People who work in the public sector could not care less about people in the private sector
The public money pit is always available to be dug into as far as they are concerned
Clearly this does not apply to everyone in the public sector but it does apply to the vast majority

03-02-2019 12:12am

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

I agree with you there.
It hasn’t been good for members.

Using FEMPI legislation when no longer in an “emergency” needs to be challenged.
Paschal et al have been running roughshod over public servants for years now.

Leo talks about making it worthwhile for people to “get up early in the morning”.
People are not seeing the “recovery” and are rightly getting more and more pissed off.

I fully support the nurses, midwives, teachers, ambulance drivers, doctors and anyone else this government has wronged.

Our national debt is €200 billion approx - €42,000 for every man, woman and child in the country (how many in your family?) This is the third highest in the "developed world".

Since 2008 we borrowed €155 billion of this - €58 billion (net) related to bailing out the banks and the rest - €97 billion - to pay for the day to day running of the country (including public service wages and pensions). We are in "recovery" in that we are largely paying our way now without more borrowing - but that level of debt is critical, particularly in the event of another slowdown or recession (Italy just entered recession, Germany has slowed down enormously, Brexit is looming, etc.)

How much more should we have borrowed to pay more in public sector salaries ? Would anyone have lent it to us ? No, we were only able to return to the markets to borrow when we could show that we were bringing Government spending under control.

03-02-2019 12:13am

ismat wrote: »

People who work in the public sector could not care less about people in the private sector
The public money pit is always available to be dug into as far as they are concerned
Clearly this does not apply to everyone in the public sector but it does apply to the vast majority

This is certainly true.

They are all about the common man, the worker and the union when it comes to themselves. But the first person you'll see looking for a bargain is a public sector worker, hopping on the cheapest Ryanair flight whose staff are treated like dogsh1t

When the private sector was getting shredded, not a mention about it.

Inspector Coptoor · 03-02-2019 12:20am

ismat wrote: »

People who work in the public sector could not care less about people in the private sector
The public money pit is always available to be dug into as far as they are concerned
Clearly this does not apply to everyone in the public sector but it does apply to the vast majority

Keep thinking that if you like.

I support all workers looking for better terms and conditions.

Most private sector workers aren’t in unions, slate unions and don’t see the point of them.
That’s their call.

It can get tedious when people who slate public sector workers as being greedy, pandered to, money grabbers with “gold-plated” pensions when it’s just not true

03-02-2019 12:25am

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

Keep thinking that if you like.

I support all workers looking for better terms and conditions.

Most private sector workers aren’t in unions, slate unions and don’t see the point of them.
That’s their call.

It can get tedious when people who slate public sector workers as being greedy, pandered to, money grabbers with “gold-plated” pensions when it’s just not true

Oh really?

So if I opened a shop doubling the prices but publicly stating that I was diverting the revenue to my workers, you wouldn't nip into the local Tesco instead where it is much cheaper?

Pull the other one lad

tayto lover · 03-02-2019 12:25am

road_high wrote: »

I’m all for unions protecting genuinely vulnerable workers ie those in crap supermarkets on zero contract hours. Not public servants with infinitely better pay and conditions. Unions have lost the plot in my view, they protect the already most protected workers

They only got the better pay and conditions because the Unions stood up for them.
You made my point very well. Thanks.

AMKC · 03-02-2019 12:29am

I heard recently that Teachers get better pay than the nurses. I am sorry but that is just wrong. Teachers get 3 months holidays and they are not looking after someone on a dialysis machine or with cancer, etc or any were near as stressed as nurses are. Nurses deserve better pay and the Government should give it to them.

Inspector Coptoor · 03-02-2019 12:29am

salonfire wrote: »

Oh really?

So if I opened a shop doubling the prices but publicly stating that I was diverting the revenue to my workers, you wouldn't nip into the local Tesco instead where it is much cheaper?

Pull the other one lad

Quite possibly the most ridiculous “example” I’ve ever been asked to consider.

Zero relevance to the conversation at hand

In any case.
Value is in the eye of the beholder.
I regularly go to smaller, local, dearer establishments to buy products I like over mass produced products I can get in supermarkets.

Does that answer your question?

Inspector Coptoor · 03-02-2019 12:32am

AMKC wrote: »

I heard recently that Teachers get better pay than the nurses. I am sorry but that is just wrong. Teachers get 3 months holidays and they are not looking after someone on a dialysis machine or with cancer, etc or any were near as stressed as nurses are. Nurses deserve better pay and the Government should give it to them.

How do you know how stressed a teacher is?
What’s your metric for coming to that conclusion?

Nurses train for 4 years.
Secondary teachers train for a minimum of 5 and now usually 6 years to become qualified.

road_high · 03-02-2019 12:35am

tayto lover wrote: »

They only got the better pay and conditions because the Unions stood up for them.
You made my point very well. Thanks.

That's because I agree with Union objectives in certain unfair circumstances. What i don't agree with is the PS ones who are hell bent on bankrupting the country, I can make a clear distinction between both scenarios. Shop workers have genuine grievances at the bottom of the jobs food chain- nurses and co simply don't

conorhal · 03-02-2019 12:40am

To answer the OP.

No.

Personally I think Nurses should instead be demanding better conditions and paths to better pay grades with enhanced responsibilities through a reform of the structure of the profession, but that won't happen either ......because Brexit.

The reality is, and the Government should just say it, nobody's getting a pay raise when a financial cliff is looming and the nurses (frustrated with the state of the hospitals as they rightly are) should have boxed cleverer then just looking for more money for the same work.

03-02-2019 12:40am

tayto lover wrote: »

They only got the better pay and conditions because the Unions stood up for them.
You made my point very well. Thanks.

Unions did a sterling job with SR Technic, where 1300 jobs were lost.

Better pay and conditions indeed.

Unions are very well at holding the public to ransom if that's what you meant

03-02-2019 12:45am

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

Quite possibly the most ridiculous “example” I’ve ever been asked to consider.

Zero relevance to the conversation at hand

In any case.
Value is in the eye of the beholder.
I regularly go to smaller, local, dearer establishments to buy products I like over mass produced products I can get in supermarkets.

Does that answer your question?

I'll take your word for it, but thousands don't.

Which is why the main street is getting decimated as people shift to online shopping. That's the future for a lot of workers.

Twenty Grand · 03-02-2019 12:48am

salonfire wrote: »

I'll take your word for it, but thousands don't.

Which is why the main street is getting decimated as people shift to online shopping. That's the future for a lot of workers.

Please don't divert this thread with your ramblings.

AMKC · 03-02-2019 12:53am

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

How do you know how stressed a teacher is?
What’s your metric for coming to that conclusion?

Nurses train for 4 years.
Secondary teachers train for a minimum of 5 and now usually 6 years to become qualified.

Well a teacher is not going to go to bed worrying about a patient or should I say patients as its something like 1 nurse to 40 patients at tho moment. A teacher is never going to go to bed worrying about the patients out i the corridors that they do not have enough beds for or after seeing a patient die and wondering is there anything they could have done to save that patient. Sure teachers get a bit of stress here and there from students but for the most part most of them have an easy job with good working conditions and pay.

Inspector Coptoor · 03-02-2019 1:00am

AMKC wrote: »

Well a teacher is not going to go to bed worrying about a patient or should I say patients as its something like 1 nurse to 40 patients at tho moment. A teacher is never going to go to bed worrying about the patients out i the corridors that they do not have enough beds for or after seeing a patient die and wondering is there anything they could have done to save that patient. Sure teachers get a bit of stress here and there from students but for the most part most of them have an easy job with good working conditions and pay.

A teacher may have to go to bed worrying about a student who is very upset/distracted:acting out because their mum/dad IS the patient that nurse is looking after.

I teach 170 students across the age range of 12-18.
A lot of these students have problems and that’s where the pastoral role of being a teacher comes in.

I would never say that any job is “easy” without having first hand experience of it.

You can’t point at the holidays and say “teaching is easy”.
It’s a cop out.

tayto lover · 03-02-2019 1:10am

road_high wrote: »

That's because I agree with Union objectives in certain unfair circumstances. What i don't agree with is the PS ones who are hell bent on bankrupting the country, I can make a clear distinction between both scenarios. Shop workers have genuine grievances at the bottom of the jobs food chain- nurses and co simply don't

“hell bent on bankrupting the country” ???
Who or what would that serve.
Was it not the bankers and thus private sector that achieved that feat?

Wheeliebin30 · 03-02-2019 1:14am

tayto lover wrote: »

“hell bent on bankrupting the country” ???
Who or what would that serve.
Was it not the bankers and thus private sector that achieved that feat?

No.

The highest expenditure leading up to the crash was public sector pay all brought on by Bertie buying votes.

When do we stop blaming the banks?

Should we all rip the arse out of the countries finances because “da banks “ did 10 years ago?

Would it make you happy to see us in another recession just to say to Leo I told you so?

Twenty Grand · 03-02-2019 1:25am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No.

The highest expenditure leading up to the crash was public sector pay all brought on by Bertie buying votes.

When do we stop blaming the banks?

Should we all rip the arse out of the countries finances because “da banks “ did 10 years ago?

Would it make you happy to see us in another recession just to say to Leo I told you so?

Do you ever stop being so inaccurate with your posts?

Wheeliebin30 · 03-02-2019 1:26am

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Do you ever stop being so inaccurate with your posts?

Show me where?

I said leading up, the years 2000-2006,

Taken from previous post.

It was even worse.
€13bn in 2008
€23.5bn in 2009
€53.5bn in 2010
€22bn in 2011
€14bn in 2012
€10bn in 2013

Borrowing to fund the public servants and social welfare recipients that Bertie bought and (we) paid for during the good times.

It makes the banking bailout look like the Teddy Bear's picnic.

At least we got back around €18bn from the banks. But we're still saddled with Rolls Royce pay and pensions for the public service.

We're still paying back the money and you have the same fcukers telling us it was really all the fault of the banks while they have their hands out looking for more of the same.

It's time people woke up to the bull**** they're being spun by populist economic morons.

judeboy101 · 03-02-2019 7:38am

noodler wrote: »

Teachers could have striked after budget 2011 was announced.

They didn't.

Tacit acceptance tbf.

I think you'll find the asti has striked many many times since 2011 and has paid dearly for it.

Graces7 · 03-02-2019 8:26am

They are stepping up action

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0202/1027075-nurses-strike-meeting/

Unhappy faces...

and the only ones who will suffer? Us again. Longer waits for surgery etc. People in pain left again.

Never right to use patients as pawns.

03-02-2019 9:06am

Unsurprising that the teacher's are taking such an interest in this. It will not be just the other health service unions who will be threatening chaos if they don't get a ransom handed over. It will be the teachers as well - and all the rest of the public sector.
They will all be demanding the ATM pin number of the taxpayers' purse, to paraphrase a former teaching union leader about "Benchmarking", and re-starting the merry-go-round (or should thet be helly-go round?).

The nurses (so sympathetic and only getting €200 a week - "look at my payslip") are merely a trojan horse.

tayto lover · 03-02-2019 11:23am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No.

The highest expenditure leading up to the crash was public sector pay all brought on by Bertie buying votes.

When do we stop blaming the banks?

Should we all rip the arse out of the countries finances because “da banks “ did 10 years ago?

Would it make you happy to see us in another recession just to say to Leo I told you so?

I have lived and worked through many recessions.
Leo is no different to Bertie or any of the others.
He lives in a bubble thinking that what he is doing is great and that he will cement his place in history.
The people always pay and always will. What’s another 300 million shure isn’t the Children’s Hospital already 1.5 billion over estimate? We will again pay that regardless of which sector gave the wrong estimates.

People who are affiliated to political parties always crack me up. They can’t think for themselves at all, they must toe the party line and spout their stuff.

03-02-2019 11:44am

tayto lover wrote: »

People who are affiliated to political parties always crack me up. They can’t think for themselves at all, they must toe the party line and spout their stuff.

No matter who was in Government in 2002 would probably have paid the ridiculous "benchmarking" awards in order to buy votes. Instead of paying off our debts fully when times were good, benchmarking added more fuel to the property bubble fire - as well as stacking up public sector pay to a level that was unsustainable in the longer term. If we had used the money instead to pay down our national debt we would have been better placed to cope with the recession when it arrives (and a recession always arrives).

So, I agree with you. Party politics is irrelevant. They were all acting like irresponsible fools then. I just hope that whoever is in Government shows that they have learnt something from the crash debacle - and doesn't give in to the same irresponsible madness all over again. I don't care which party that is.

noodler · 03-02-2019 12:05pm

Tayto Lover.

Some acknowledgement about the your previous claims the government "gave" themselves pay "rises" being utter bollox would be nice.

tayto lover · 03-02-2019 12:10pm

noodler wrote: »

Tayto Lover.

Some acknowledgement about the your previous claims the government "gave" themselves pay "rises" being utter bollox would be nice.

It stands.
They could have refused thus setting a precedence. They are already overpaid compared to other countries unlike the nurses.

noodler · 03-02-2019 12:19pm

tayto lover wrote: »

It stands.
They could have refused thus setting a precedence. They are already overpaid compared to other countries unlike the nurses.

So you accept it was pay restoration, genuinely in their case, despite your claim it was a rise?

So you accept it wasn't an increase they "gave" themselves and that their pay is linked to public sector pay agreements?

But now you want them to "refuse" restoration to those cuts they took, over an beyond those the major of the public service did?

Can you even see the goalposts?

tayto lover · 03-02-2019 12:24pm

noodler wrote: »

So you accept it was pay restoration, genuinely in their case, despite your claim it was a rise?

So you accept it wasn't an increase they "gave" themselves and that their pay is linked to public sector pay agreements?

But now you want them to "refuse" restoration to those cuts they took, over an beyond those the major of the public service did?

Can you even see the goalposts?

Yes I accept that and that they could have refused to take it because of “the state of the state’s finances” but they took it regardless. Greedy shower. Leo earning more than most country’s leaders and all and td’S the same.

noodler · 03-02-2019 12:29pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes I accept that and that they could have refused to take it because of “the state of the state’s finances” but they took it regardless. Greedy shower. Leo earning more than most country’s leaders and all and td’S the same.

So you wanted 100 odd TDs to refuse restoration saving about 200k (less than 100k) on the basis of the state's publiv finances..

But you now want to to give nurses pay rises, over and above restoration, or the scheduled pay increases this year, break and agreement they signed up to, costing 300m.. And you don't think any of this will affect the state's finances?

Nevermind the knock on claims.

Half a billion a year for pay increases in 2018 and again in 2019? When do you shout stop?

Skihunta13 · 03-02-2019 12:32pm

AMKC wrote: »

I heard recently that Teachers get better pay than the nurses. I am sorry but that is just wrong. Teachers get 3 months holidays and they are not looking after someone on a dialysis machine or with cancer, etc or any were near as stressed as nurses are. Nurses deserve better pay and the Government should give it to them.

I totally agree with that teachers should not be paid higher than nurses if pay parity is the reason looking for a pay rise, but as someone once told me nurses filled out the same CAO forms as teacher.
The hardship that nurses refer to as reasons for payrise( long shifts, difficult patience etc) cannot be used as a reason for pay rise as these situations are not new to hospitals. Nurses knew these conditions before they started.
Nurses do get paid more garda. Who has it more difficult there.
The government screwed up by paying teachers what they have and im sorry but they do get very generous conditions ie summer holidays, midterms, personal days. Even with all these days off they still close the school for training days. They only work the hours that kids can.Joke. Every public sector is going to use the teachers as a goal for pay & conditions.

The fact the union is looking for this now and the government has dug the heels in tells me hoe screwed we are after Brexit. We hust simply cannot afford it.
Did Varadkar & co give themselves a pay rise recently or am i hearing wrong? If true the whole country should be out in protest.

03-02-2019 12:32pm

tayto lover wrote: »

They are already overpaid compared to other countries unlike the nurses.

In what countries are nurses paid more?

Mad_maxx · 03-02-2019 12:33pm

Graces7 wrote: »

They are stepping up action

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0202/1027075-nurses-strike-meeting/

Unhappy faces...

and the only ones who will suffer? Us again. Longer waits for surgery etc. People in pain left again.

Never right to use patients as pawns.

They have the support of the general public, makes sense they double down

Most Irish people would support nurses if they were looking for 250 k per annum

tayto lover · 03-02-2019 12:34pm

noodler wrote: »

So you wanted 100 odd TDs to refuse restoration saving about 200k (less than 100k) on the basis of the state's publiv finances..

But you now want to to give nurses pay rises, over and above restoration, or the scheduled pay increases this year, break and agreement they signed up to.. And you don't think any of this will affect the state's finances?

Nevermind the knock on claims.

Half a billion a year for pay increases in 2018 and again in 2019? When do you shout stop?

Had they refused to take the increases they would have been in better shape to fight their corner. Our hospitals are under-staffed for a reason as you know.
Yes I do support the nurses wage demands for better pay and conditions. They are leaving in their droves unlike the politicians.

tayto lover · 03-02-2019 12:36pm

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

In what countries are nurses paid more?

According to their spokeswoman - UK, Canada, Australia, Saudi Arabia etc.
Did you not see the photos of the nurses abroad supporting them?

noodler · 03-02-2019 12:37pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Had they refused to take the increases they would have been in better shape to fight their corner. Our hospitals are under-staffed for a reason as you know.
Yes I do support the nurses wage demands for better pay and conditions. They are leaving in their droves unlike the politicians.

No, bull****.

Why would somebody earning 15k more than a nurse in some cases have to refuse a valid and scheduled pay restoration in order to point out a 12% increase on top of the pay increases already scheduled for this year (and last) costing 300m is madness?

03-02-2019 12:37pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes I do support the nurses wage demands for better pay and conditions.

Their demand is just for better pay.

tayto lover wrote: »

They are leaving in their droves unlike the politicians.

Which is just a lie, isn't it. Staff turnover for nurses, as noted by the independent commission, is completely normal.

Achasanai · 03-02-2019 12:37pm

Graces7 wrote: »

They are stepping up action

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0202/1027075-nurses-strike-meeting/

Unhappy faces...

and the only ones who will suffer? Us again. Longer waits for surgery etc. People in pain left again.

Never right to use patients as pawns.

I'd rather have well-paid nurses working reasonable hours when I'm next undergoing an operation. Long-term thinking rather than short-term gain.

Skihunta13 · 03-02-2019 12:38pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Had they refused to take the increases they would have been in better shape to fight their corner. Our hospitals are under-staffed for a reason as you know.
Yes I do support the nurses wage demands for better pay and conditions. They are leaving in their droves unlike the politicians.

Maybe if thise on social welfare were not so self entitled and crowding the the hoslitals the nurses would not be understaffed. I know this from experience. They seem to develop mystry illness when the sicial get on their back.

Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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