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RivetingRoger · 20-02-2019 3:49pm

Laurina wins by 6L

Pogue eile · 20-02-2019 4:04pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Who was the last horse to win a Gold Cup second time out on the back of a right handed hurdle run ?

Who was the last horse to fail to win the Gold Cup second time out on the back of a right handed hurdle run?

longshotvalue · 20-02-2019 4:43pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Laurina wins by 6L

looked decent enough, thank god, so she wont go for mares, hopefully.

Champion Hurdle looks the race of the festival at the moment.

(that said she will need to actually be Aniie Power to have any chance of beating Apples Jade)

RivetingRoger · 20-02-2019 4:47pm

Thought she looked very good also
Ruby had a look before the last, said "off you go" and she sailed away on the bridle
Easy as she liked

WPM stable tour suggested Beni is in fine fettle so will go Mares, so that should be that then

I see some people saying she wasnt jumping slick enough to worry BD............Have those people not watched ANY of BDs races this year???

HarshOstrich · 20-02-2019 4:54pm

Ah jaysus lads, apples jade is no where near as good as Annie power was, don’t believe what you’ve seen, she hasn’t improved, the rest have regressed in Ireland.
Look back at last couple of seasons and you can see how beatable apples jade is.
Laurina and Buveur will both finish of front of her.

Panrich · 20-02-2019 4:57pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Who was the last horse to fail to win the Gold Cup second time out on the back of a right handed hurdle run?

Very few horses show up with one previous run that season in the past 11 years (10) but of those....

Two winners with one run (both LH chase) in the last decade. Native River (2018) and Bobs Worth (2013). Bobs Worth had only one run in the Hennessy (won) since winning the previous years RSA so that's a strong parallel for Presenting Percy.

Last horse that lost after one RH run (chase) was Denman (2009) also lost in 2011 after one run (LH).

No horse in the last 11 years has lost after one RH hurdle run. Azulejo (2008 @200/1, PU) had two runs over hurdles (RH).

Contraband (2008 also 200/1, PU) had one run over hurdles in that season (LH)

Presenting Percy is in rare company unless he rocks up in Fairyhouse on Saturday.

RivetingRoger · 20-02-2019 5:12pm

Ruby on timeform just said She will go Champion Hurdle, she has "earned a crack at it"

IAMAMORON · 20-02-2019 6:35pm

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Jaysus you're getting very worked up there, are you ok?

Admittedly I might have sounded harsh. However I don't think anything I said is bonkers either. My main point is, that I do not think one run over hurdles is near the preparation required to be winning a Gold Cup. The fact that on the back of this the bookies have made the horse favourite just makes me laugh.

If someone from the yard piped up and said it was part of a 2 race plan to include the Irish Grand National, I might say, " ohhhh". But I don't think that is happening.

Finally for Presenting Percy to win the gold cup he only has to beat,

3 x King George Winners
1 X Gold Cup Winner, Welsh National and Hennessy Winner
1 X Welsh National Winner
1 X RSA winners
2 X Lexus winners

This list is not exhaustive etc etc.

On the back of this the bookies make him favourite?

I don't mind being wrong about this. But believe me there will be better 3/1 shots to have your bet on over the next few weeks. It is a crazy price.

HarshOstrich · 20-02-2019 6:45pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Admittedly I might have sounded harsh. However I don't think anything I said is bonkers either. My main point is, that I do not think one run over hurdles is near the preparation required to be winning a Gold Cup. The fact that on the back of this the bookies have made the horse favourite just makes me laugh.

If someone from the yard piped up and said it was part of a 2 race plan to include the Irish Grand National, I might say, " ohhhh". But I don't think that is happening.

Finally for Presenting Percy to win the gold cup he only has to beat,

3 x King George Winners
1 X Gold Cup Winner, Welsh National and Hennessy Winner
1 X Welsh National Winner
1 X RSA winners
2 X Lexus winners

This list is not exhaustive etc etc.

On the back of this the bookies make him favourite?

I don't mind being wrong about this. But believe me there will be better 3/1 shots to have your bet on over the next few weeks. It is a crazy price.

Everything about presenting Percy’s preparation down the years have been unorthodox but he’s trained by a relatively unknown trainer who hasn’t got it wrong yet,the horse isn’t injured and hasn’t been they are just minding him.
He should be a bit bigger price but his form promises so much more to come.

Johner · 20-02-2019 7:13pm

Its All Guesswork looked to be the one to take out of that Pertemps qualifier today.

Slattsy · 20-02-2019 8:21pm

Johner wrote: »

Its All Guesswork looked to be the one to take out of that Pertemps qualifier today.

Big time. Still doesnt beat Gordon's other lad though.

Kauto · 20-02-2019 8:44pm

akelly02 wrote: »

you will be laying him on the day so?

Yes have been laying him for the last few weeks and will continue to do so.

HarshOstrich · 20-02-2019 8:46pm

Cheltenham Certainties in my eyes
Tiger roll - cross country @ 5/4
Benie Des deaux - mares hurdle @ 15/8
Altior - champ chase @ 2/5
Sir Erec - triumph @ 6/4

Double on apples jade and paisley park not to win lol.

gillamandango · 20-02-2019 8:54pm

So apparently some considered Tin Soldier a good shot at the Pertemps; does todays result not allow the horse to qualify as there are no other qualifier races left in Ireland?

Slattsy · 20-02-2019 8:57pm

gillamandango wrote: »

So apparently some considered Tin Soldier a good shot at the Pertemps; does todays result not allow the horse to qualify as there are no other qualifier races left in Ireland?

Didnt qualify, cant run. Simple as.

Horse drifted like a barge and was never put in the race, so qualifying was never the intention.

maximo31 · 20-02-2019 8:57pm

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Cheltenham Certainties in my eyes
Tiger roll - cross country @ 5/4
Benie Des deaux - mares hurdle @ 15/8
Altior - champ chase @ 2/5
Sir Erec - triumph @ 6/4

Double on apples jade and paisley park not to win lol.

PP special 16/1 the above 4 horse accum i see.
*Prices above pay better i see!

Slattsy · 20-02-2019 9:00pm

My mug acca is:
Ok Corral
BDD
Altior
Tiger Roll

My treble im happy with is:
PP
Sir Erec (11/4)
Apples Jade

WicklowBrave · 20-02-2019 9:03pm

Laurina is such a clumsy jumper, reminds me of Faugheen. She's probably nearly bigger than him too, massive yoke. Does she have his engine? Don't know. Am I willing to pay to find out? No.

If Apple's Jade runs to the form she ran to in Leopardstown, she wins. I don't believe she will though. Last year's Mares Hurdle would put me off piling into her. Buveur D'air will probably go off fav and he shouldn't when AJ is the most likely winner imo.

Sharjah has been on the go a very long time and wants the ground like a road.

Melon is 20/1 with unibet. Crazy price. Will go off half that.

Gringo180 · 20-02-2019 9:14pm

Benie Des deaux will need to improve from last years run to win this years Mares Hurdle

HarshOstrich · 20-02-2019 9:24pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Benie Des deaux will need to improve from last years run to win this years Mares Hurdle

I don’t think so but probably will anyway seen as it was her first hurdle run for Mullins, she improved at punchestown anyway when she beat the same cheltenham horses easily.
Mullins knows how to win this race more than anyone else and this is his banker.
Laurina and apples jade won’t go here and I wouldn’t worry about the rest.

Gringo180 · 20-02-2019 10:18pm

HarshOstrich wrote: »

I don’t think so but probably will anyway seen as it was her first hurdle run for Mullins, she improved at punchestown anyway when she beat the same cheltenham horses easily.
Mullins knows how to win this race more than anyone else and this is his banker.
Laurina and apples jade won’t go here and I wouldn’t worry about the rest.

Liminis run 2 years ago will beat BDD imo. She ran an eye catching race behind Presenting Percy lto.

RivetingRoger · 20-02-2019 10:20pm

Slattsy wrote: »

My mug acca is:
Ok Corral
BDD
Altior
Tiger Roll

My treble im happy with is:
PP
Sir Erec (11/4)
Apples Jade

Whigh PP you gangster Slattsy ðŸ˜‰

HarshOstrich · 20-02-2019 10:36pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Liminis run 2 years ago will beat BDD imo. She ran an eye catching race behind Presenting Percy lto.

I’m surprised you think that, because on all known form limini loses to apples jade every time and on the form book again benie Des deaux is 2/2 versus apples jade so benie should be able to deal with whatever limini shows up on a line through apples jade.

I do think limini will be involved in the places I just feel she is a bit exposed now and she wouldn’t want a battle, once push comes to shove she tends to go backwards rather than forwards.

Gringo180 · 20-02-2019 10:43pm

HarshOstrich wrote: »

I’m surprised you think that, because on all known form limini loses to apples jade every time and on the form book again benie Des deaux is 2/2 versus apples jade so benie should be able to deal with whatever limini shows up on a line through apples jade.

I do think limini will be involved in the places I just feel she is a bit exposed now and she wouldn’t want a battle, once push comes to shove she tends to go backwards rather than forwards.

Apples Jade was nowhere near her best in her runs against BDD. She ran mid 140s in last seasons mares hurdle thats nearly 2 stone below her best.

Thats not to say BDD wont improve on last seasons run. I just couldnt back her at the prices.

HarshOstrich · 20-02-2019 11:01pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Apples Jade was nowhere near her best in her runs against BDD. She ran mid 140s in last seasons mares hurdle thats nearly 2 stone below her best.

Thats not to say BDD wont improve on last seasons run. I just couldnt back her at the prices.

I know where your coming from, I just don’t believe she was so far off her best last season,she has raced against terrible opposition this season.
1st run she beat jezki and arctic fire, horses in there twilight years.
2nd run she beat a fat supasundae on seasonal debut and limini haveing first run over hurdles in 21 months.
3rd run is not worth mentioning as it’s a mixture of horses from runs 1 and 2, faugheen fell without ever getting to challenge.
4th run she again beats the same animals from previous runs apart from a below par melon.

All her form is suspect this season
Only thing is her times are excellent but then again the times have been good on them days anyways.

Chesty08 · 20-02-2019 11:31pm

HarshOstrich wrote: »

I know where your coming from, I just don’t believe she was so far off her best last season,she has raced against terrible opposition this season.
1st run she beat jezki and arctic fire, horses in there twilight years.
2nd run she beat a fat supasundae on seasonal debut and limini haveing first run over hurdles in 21 months.
3rd run is not worth mentioning as it’s a mixture of horses from runs 1 and 2, faugheen fell without ever getting to challenge.
4th run she again beats the same animals from previous runs apart from a below par melon.

All her form is suspect this season
Only thing is her times are excellent but then again the times have been good on them days anyways.

Jaysus there is some contradictions in that post

HarshOstrich · 20-02-2019 11:49pm

Chesty08 wrote: »

Jaysus there is some contradictions in that post

I don’t think so, perhaps I explained myself wrong, I am just saying apples jade hasn’t become a 2 stone better horse from last season.
It is highly doubtful at her age and amount of runs she is getting better.
she’s the same horse as last year she just hasn’t had a decent horse run against her yet to prove it.
So when she does turn up in the champion hurdle she will be found out and the way it’s shaping up (laurina, buvuer D’air, Sharjah,melon, espoir d,Allen, verdana blue, brain power)
I’m struggling to see her in the places let alone be a banker.

BumperD · 21-02-2019 12:14am

Slattsy wrote: »

My mug acca is:
Ok Corral
BDD
Altior
Tiger Roll

My treble im happy with is:
PP
Sir Erec (11/4)
Apples Jade

PP is a sneaky hedge paisley or presenting:)

Outlaw Pete · 21-02-2019 1:03am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92FIr78RDk

Mysterypunter · 21-02-2019 5:12am

I just read a story which stated Mullins will have a reduced team of about 40, in comparison to 60. In it he says there has been no rain all winter, is he taking the piss? It has lashed rain for at least the last 3 months. That's an amazing statement.

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