Carrigaline Western Relief Road

audab · 31-01-2022 10:45am

Project seems to be running well ahead of schedule. https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40789821.html

Should be finished by summer which would be fantastic. Dry weather has helped greatly I'd say

Hibernicis · 18-04-2022 4:13pm

Gallery updated with February & March pictures. https://www.cwrr.ie/gallery/. (End of Page)

March April works listed as follows :

March Works:

Earthworks nearing completion
Continued Masonry Stone to retaining wall
Reinforced concrete works to bridge complete
Mechanical and Electrical Fit out to North and South Pumping Stations
Continued drainage works
Continued watermain works
Continued gas main works
Continued upgrade works to Soccer Club Road
Continued utilities side wide
Continued kerbing site wide
Preparation for pavement ongoing
Continued Tie works at Ballea Road and Kilmoney Road
Commenced landscaping works
Commenced safety barrier installation
Commenced footpaths site wide

April Works:

Complete Earthworks
Complete stonework to West retaining wall
Continue M&E fitout to North and South Pumping Stations
Continue Drainage works
Continue Watermain
Continue Fencing
Complete safety barriers
Prepare for kerbing and footpaths
Commence landscaping
Continue Tie In works at Ballea Road and Kilmoney Road
Commence pavement works
Commence street lighting

AugustusMinimus · 18-04-2022 6:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118943282#Comment_118943282

I’m intrigued. Why do some of the photos contain areas which are covered in green patches. What’s being hidden?

cantalach · 19-04-2022 1:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118943683#Comment_118943683

Seems to be where private residences are in or close to the foreground. Presumably some solicitor who couldn’t be arsed actually looking into the case law has lazily advised the contractor that putting this online potentially violates the residents privacy and leaves the contractor open to being sued.

KrisW1001 · 20-04-2022 3:35pm

Most likely there were people visible in those areas, and the contractors were following the correct legal advice, rather than something they heard on Boards. You require explicit permission to publish photos taken of people who aren't in a public setting, and the back garden of a private home is not a public place.

cantalach · 21-04-2022 1:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118952142#Comment_118952142

If that’s true, wouldn’t we expect Google to be almost continually sued for all the instances where Street View fails to automatically blur out people in private spaces? I know there are many instances because I’m the “victim” in one of them! Please share a courts.ie link if there’s a relevant judgment because I’d like to read it and I’m genuinely quite happy to admit if I’m wrong.

high horse · 21-04-2022 2:13pm

It's quite strange to see such a confrontational style of posting in a thread about a tiny road being built in Carrigaline.

hans aus dtschl · 21-04-2022 2:29pm

I'm not sure what you're referring to about styles of posting? This one seems to be a very normal/average thread?

On-topic, I think Google blurs faces so people can't be identified. So it sounds plausible that it's a legal consideration alright.

Hibernicis · 21-04-2022 11:23pm

I wouldn't read too much into the green blobs, other than that the recent ones are very crude effort done by somebody with pretty poor photoshop skills (Or maybe MS Paint!). Looking back there was similar obscuring done in earlier photos (June/July/August 2021) but it was done much more subtly. Overall it may have been the result of a complaint, or whoever was posting noticed somebody sunbathing in their back garden and decided that it wasn't a good idea to publish it. Or just good practice in excluding irrelevant private data.

Mr.CoolGuy · 17-06-2022 11:32am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFJctA6I8Kc

We have a flythrough video from the end of May. I'm wondering, are they planning on opening the main stretch before doing the western section to the soccer club? I've seen very little pictures of that section and this video ignores it completely.

Hibernicis · 18-06-2022 4:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119214839#Comment_119214839

I think the main work to be done on the existing (unopened) soccer club road was to enhance the cycle and pedestrian facilities. There are some photos of it in the October 2021 gallery (last six photos), the January 2022 gallery (third last photo), the February 2022 Gallery (photos 17-23) and the March 2022 gallery (last 5 photos). The March batch appear to show that the the most of the work has bee completed with just surfacing/re-surfacing and furnishing outstanding. Which puts it on a par with the main section.

Hibernicis · 18-06-2022 5:02pm

Latest update form the website. https://www.cwrr.ie/news/ No mention of completion/opening dates other than the original statement " construction activities due to commence in April 2021 and will continue for 18 months"

May Works:

Earthworks complete;
Retaining walls complete;
Bridge complete;
M&E fitout to pumping stations complete – awaiting commissioning;
Continued drainage works;
Continued watermain works;
Gasmain complete;
Continued upgrade works to Soccer Club Road;
Continued utilities side wide;
Continued kerbing site wide;
Pavement works commenced;
Continued Tie works at Ballea Road and Kilmoney Road;
Continued landscaping works;
Safety Barrier complete;
Continued footpaths and finishes;

June Works:

Commence public lighting;
Commence traffic lights;
Commission pumping stations;
Complete watermains;
Complete drainage works;
Continue fencing;
Continue footpaths and finishes;
Continue pavement works;
Continue kerbing;
Continue Tie in works at Ballea and Kilmoney;

Other News:

Roadworks on Ballea Road with lane restrictions during off peak hours – next 2 weeks
Roadworks on Kilmoney Road with lane restrictions during off peak hours – next 2 weeks

DylanQuestion · 18-06-2022 8:51pm

It's to see they decided to tree line it! A lot of Carrigaline is tree lined, like the R611 up to Main Street, so it's great to see the same design going into new roads. Does anyone know if the cycling facilities are actual cycle lanes or just 'shared space'?

Hibernicis · 19-06-2022 11:23am

It’s a mix. The legend is as follows:

Green - Footpath to be open to the public upon completion of construction

Navy - Shared ?/cyclelane to be open to the public upon completion of construction

Red - Dedicated cycle lane to be open to the public upon completion of construction

Hibernicis · 19-06-2022 11:37am

One of the great benefits that the CWRR will bring is the removal of traffic from the main street. In parallel with the CWRR construction, Cork County Council have been advancing a Public Relm improvement plan for Carrigaline. The proposals have been published and are available on the County Council website. https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/planning/traffic-transport/statutory-processes The public consultation is now open and submissions may be made up 5pm on Tuesday 22nd July. This is your opportunity to look at what is planned and voice your concerns and suggestions. The web page linked to above includes a link to the virtual public consultation room.

Appreciate that this is off topic, but hoping that the mods will agree that it is likely to be of interest to those following this thread.

hans aus dtschl · 20-06-2022 1:51pm

Yep it's pretty much on-topic. It basically answers DylanQuestion's question above.

This road isn't really intended as a cycle corridor, though some cycle facilities are planned along it. What this route is for, is to allow the main street to become a viable cycle corridor and destination in its own right. This road won't be extremely attractive for utility cycling, as it's more of a "ring road". The main street can now become a destination and corridor for cycle traffic.

I think it's great that the council have sought to link the two and discuss the Carrigaline TPREP all as one big "bucket" of works. For too long we've not done integrated transport planning, and I think/hope this scheme is the start of a new, better overall approach.

hans aus dtschl · 20-06-2022 2:05pm

Additional notes, the cycle network will be West of this road, according to the TPREP: "a new pedestrian/cycle link through existing green fields to the south of the Owenabue River, a new river crossing (pedestrians/ cyclists only) tying in with the existing part built roadway to the south of the soccer club."

Carrigaline Cycle Network TPREP.PNG

Hibernicis · 15-08-2022 4:35pm

Excellent video posted by the redoubtable DroneHawk a few weeks back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI0WcLDTn8U

Some photos on the project Website posted in July also showing how close the road is to completion https://www.cwrr.ie/gallery/

There are also some photos on the project website of a load of councillors attending a phot op, if that sort of thing appeals to you.

The July/August work program is as follows:

July Works:

M&E fitout to pumping stations complete – awaiting commissioning;
Continued drainage works;
Continued watermain works;
Continued upgrade works to Soccer Club Road;
Continued utilities side wide;
Continued kerbing site wide;
Pavement works continued;
Continued Tie works at Ballea Road and Kilmoney Road;
Continued landscaping works;
Continued footpaths and finished;
Continued public lighting;

August Works:

Continue public lighting;
Commence traffic lights;
Commence Signage;
Commission pumping stations;
Complete watermains;
Complete drainage works;
Continue fencing;
Continue footpaths and finishes;
Continue pavement works;
Continue kerbing;
Continue Tie in works at Ballea and Kilmoney;

Other News:

Roadworks on Ballea Road with lane restrictions during off peak hours – next 2 weeks
Roadworks on Kilmoney Road with lane restrictions during off peak hours – next 2 weeks

Mr.CoolGuy · 16-08-2022 8:44pm

I don't think it will be open too soon by the looks of everything. When do people think? I wouldn't say earlier than October with all the tie-in still needed to be done.

the deuce · 05-09-2022 11:21am

the cwrr website is now stating

Road Opening in September 2022!!

Mr.CoolGuy · 06-09-2022 2:22pm

Found this online too. Looks to be the most up-to-date drone flyover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YpKkm7bVH0

AugustusMinimus · 06-09-2022 5:07pm

I honestly don’t think this will solve Carrigaline’s issues. There will be just a single access point to the new M28 with all traffic funnelled along this route.

Compare this to Ballincollig which has 3 access points to the N22 / N40.

hans aus dtschl · 06-09-2022 5:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119580444#Comment_119580444

Which issues though? I agree that on its own, this road is largely pointless. I think the biggest issue in Carrigaline is the very heavy car dependence. The Carrigaline TPREP documents go into some details on how the proposed road network might end up.

I believe the aim is to remove through traffic from the Main Street as part of the Carrigaline TPREP, making a new "town centre" and facilitating public transport and active transport through and to the Main Street. This road might work for that purpose, as part of an overall approach, maybe?

Mr.CoolGuy · 27-09-2022 10:51am

The Part 8 planning for the mainstreet upgrades and the greenway have been given the thumbs up. Apparently a lot of the one-way traffic changes can be done overnight once this road is open, so we could see big changes very soon.

KrisW1001 · 27-09-2022 11:09am

I’m disappointed that a one-way system is being adopted: these are proven to increase the speed of motor traffic and make pedestrian movements more dangerous. Over the last few years, Cork City has unwound a lot of its one-ways – especially along the quays – and there’s a long-term plan to return as many streets to two-way traffic as possible, in order to lower peak traffic speeds and reduce risk of injury to other users.

Mr.CoolGuy · 27-09-2022 11:39am

I suppose it's not a true one-way system as it will have a bus-lane going the other way. They're narrowing the road too and putting in a 30 km/h limit. Other traffic calming measures are also planned so they may help

hans aus dtschl · 27-09-2022 2:50pm

It's a step in the right direction overall I think. You can't have 2-way traffic, because it's the on-street parking that's most desired.

It's definitely not perfect, but I believe that getting any cars at all out of the main street was an enormous battle. The retention of on-street parking is heavily entrenched. People might hide behind goods loading/unloading or faux "blue badge concern" but really it's the on-street parking that they don't want to lose.

Maybe I'd have preferred to see a bus gate South of the Garda Station and North of the bridge, but that was a step too far, or a step too radical for the local businesses. And in fairness to them, it is something of a leap into the unknown. I hope it works out well for both those businesses and for the town in general.

Mr.CoolGuy · 03-10-2022 11:50am

The road is now open to traffic from all sides! Well done everyone, that last 25 years just flew by

Imeacht gan teacht ort · 03-10-2022 12:08pm

Has it been updated yet on OSM?

DylanQuestion · 03-10-2022 9:51pm

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/carrigaline-relief-road-finally-opens-25165154

A brand new road and they couldn't even make it wide enough for a bus shelter? Also, no trees on this section or bike lanes? This was a blank canvas. Loads of room for cars though

hans aus dtschl · 03-10-2022 10:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697737#Comment_119697737

To be fair, I believe that black strip on the right that everyone is walking on in the picture is the 2-way cycle track. Except many pedestrians and runners prefer to walk/run on asphalt instead of concrete.

To be fair, I believe that it is signed as a cycle track at the start/end. The lack of cycle median and lack of minor kerb between footpath and cycleway are most likely detailed-design brain-farts from the design team. Another detailed-design flaw is, as you say, lack of green buffer between road and footpath. On the bus shelter, the shelters themselves are provided by a private company (maybe Adshel?) so maybe one will appear in future, but it does look like there's been no space allocation which would be another design flaw. No way of getting from the cycle track to Super Valu either.

Don't say: "why can't anyone in Ireland design sustainable transport infrastructure properly?"

Do say: "it's a greenway, not a cycle track, shur tis for walking with de kids on de Sundays, not dem Lance Armstrong lads"

Carrigaline Western Relief Road

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