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Carrigaline Western Relief Road

Cork County Council is pleased to announce that it intends to proceed with the acquisition of the lands necessary to construct the Carrigaline Western Relief Road. The formal process of engaging with the landowners concerned will commence within the next week.
Carrigaline Western Relief Road

Cork County Council is pleased to announce that it intends to proceed with the acquisition of the lands necessary to construct the Carrigaline Western Relief Road. The formal process of engaging with the landowners concerned will commence within the next week.
The road comprises a total length of 900m of roadway running parallel to the town’s Main Street and includes a new bridge crossing the Owenboy river. The road will facilitate the division of traffic from Main Street facilitating a more pedestrian friendly town centre environment. In addition, it will provide access to lands identified for town centre development in the Carrigaline Local Area Plan. The project has been recognised as a key priority in the Council’s non-national roads programme following the findings of the Carrigaline Area Transportation Study which was completed in 2007.
The land acquisition is being supported by the Department of Transport and by Cork County Council. The total cost of the road project is estimated at €14.5M.

For further information, please contact Declan Daly, Divisional Manager at 021-4285467.

Only 900m, but will relieve a huge bottleneck.

Hogzy

About time. The road to the east just cannot cope at all. The crossroads really do slow it down.

marno21

Land for this scheme was indeed purchased in 2010 but has lied idle since.

Shane Ross wrote:

My Department is, however, liaising with Cork County Council with a view to positioning the project for development in the post-2021 period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3XTj5G_SA

AugustusMinimus

The worst design town in Ireland. Badly needed. Anyone have a map?

marno21

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

The worst design town in Ireland. Badly needed. Anyone have a map?

I wouldn't say worst designed - it's not designed at all. Just sprawl and more sprawl.

I can't find a route anywhere - and its hard to pick one out on Google Maps too. It's a pity a route wasn't reserved before all the sprawl west of Main Street was built, it'll have to divert around all that.

audab

The 2007 transportation plan used to be available online but I can't find it now.

You can see the proposed alignment on map 2 here: https://corkcocoplans.ie/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2016/07/Carrigaline-LAP-Amendment-No.1-T-02-O-02-U-02.pdf

The land take already seems to be fenced off, at least for the section south of the river

AugustusMinimus

audab wrote: »

The 2007 transportation plan used to be available online but I can't find it now.

You can see the proposed alignment on map 2 here: https://corkcocoplans.ie/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2016/07/Carrigaline-LAP-Amendment-No.1-T-02-O-02-U-02.pdf

The land take already seems to be fenced off, at least for the section south of the river

Honestly. They prob need a third road to the west of that again.

mikeym

Shane Ross says there's no funds

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/No-funds-for-the-Carrigaline---Relief-Road-until-at-least-2021-f1049ea7-1b5a-45cd-a132-e5c8158347e6-ds

THE long-awaited Carrigaline Western Relief Road will not receive funding for construction from the Government until after 2021, according to Transport Minister Shane Ross.

Responding to a parliamentary question from TD Michael McGrath, Mr Ross said the there is no money available to progress the project from the design stage to construction.

“Under the Strategic Grant Scheme, my Department gave a commitment in 2010 to provide grant assistance to Cork County Council in relation to the acquisition of land for the Carrigaline Western Relief Road.

“The commitment to part fund land acquisition on this road has been met but no grant commitment was given in relation to the construction of the road,” said Mr Ross.

“For now funding will largely continue to support the maintenance of the regional and local road network. While a limited number of improvement projects are scheduled to go ahead over the next few years, funding is not available to commit to additional schemes at this point.

“My Department is, however, liaising with Cork County Council with a view to positioning the project for development in the post-2021 period,” he added.

selfbuild17

Shane Ross’ priorities lie firmly in his own constituency and the greater Dublin area as we saw with the Stepaside Garda Station debacle

marno21

Responding to a parliamentary question from TD Michael McGrath, Mr Ross said the there is no money available to progress the project from the design stage to construction.

That's a lie on Shane Ross' part. A total and utter lie.

EdgeCase

What's Coveney's position on this?
Carrigaline is bigger than many "major" regional towns and growing faster, yet gets treated as if it were some back of beyond village. It's got a bigger population than places like Killarney, and significantly bigger than Shannon, Longford etc etc etc

AugustusMinimus

The traffic in Carrigaline is apocalyptic and is only getting worse. A full relief road going from Shannonpark all the way around (anti clockwise) to the R612 with junctions on the R611 and R612 is needed but will never get built.

_Kaiser_

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

The traffic in Carrigaline is apocalyptic and is only getting worse. A full relief road going from Shannonpark all the way around (anti clockwise) to the R612 with junctions on the R611 and R612 is needed but will never get built.

It's not helped by stupidity though to be fair.. like the lights at the new housing estate at the edge of the town that stop the main-line even when there's no reason for it. Just imagine how much fun it'll be when there ARE actually people living in there.

EdgeCase

The other major issue is it’s connected to the city via a bad quality rural single carriage way and there’s messing going on about the M28 that may delay it.

sonnyblack

My latest understanding is that there will be no funds available to build this scheme until after 2021 at the earliest. It is a damming indictment of the Deputy leader of the country and Deputy opposition leader having their constituency offices on the main street and neither of them can deliver a vital road that is less than a km in length. Over 15,000 vehicles going down main st every day. It has to be up there as one of the worst bottlenecks in the country.

EdgeCase

Between this kind of penny pinching and their dogmatic push to build big ugly walls up on "The Banks of my Own Lovely Lee" because they are only willing to spend a tiny budget on flood defences in a city that's as hydrologically complex as something in the Netherlands.

It seems Cork's generally being treated badly by this government.

Is it back to "who cares? Sure it's not the southeast of Dublin".

I think some of these things need to become election issues. Coveney isn't doing enough to keep his seat safe.

I doubt we'll never see tramways or light rail either.

munchkin_utd

EdgeCase wrote: »

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It seems Cork's generally being treated badly by this government.

Is it back to "who cares? Sure it's not the southeast of Dublin".
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Dunkettle is getting an upgrade worth about 100million, work on the €215 million Macroom/ Ballyvourney bypass has started, the €220 million motorway to Carrigaline/ Ringaskiddy is ready to go if the locals would just stop blocking it, the M20 is back on track and its a mere 800million

All this yet you feel Cork is being treated badly!
I shudder to think of the bill to have ye believe you are being treated well, if a billion and a half of road projects barely registers on your scale of getting a fair portion of the pie.

EdgeCase

Based on population and contribution to Irish GDP, it's treated very badly in terms of things like public transit roll out. The quays project is an absolute disgrace and will destroy the city centre from a visual perspective.

In general, yeah it's treated very badly.

The way projects are allocated in Ireland and the total lack of spending on proper public transport etc will also land us in serious financial troubles over the Paris accord on climate change. Our emissions keep going up and up and up.

Compared to equivalent sized cities on the continent, including in countries with far worse economic positions that Ireland, public transit and road infrastructure is often far better than here.

Irish approach seems to be to respond to crisis situations where traffic isn't moving at all, years or decades later than necessary and whatever you do, don't build any public transit systems that can't be physically seen from Leinster House.

Failing to build appropriate infrastructure ends up costing more money in the long run. Lost productivity, wasted hours, CO2, reduction in quality of life.

hans aus dtschl

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Dunkettle is getting an upgrade worth about 100million, work on the €215 million Macroom/ Ballyvourney bypass has started, the €220 million motorway to Carrigaline/ Ringaskiddy is ready to go if the locals would just stop blocking it, the M20 is back on track and its a mere 800million

All this yet you feel Cork is being treated badly!
I shudder to think of the bill to have ye believe you are being treated well, if a billion and a half of road projects barely registers on your scale of getting a fair portion of the pie.

I think at this stage people in Cork are very used to hearing about all the wonderful infrastructure projects that *will* happen in the future.

For instance, if there's a downturn in 2019 (which many expect) then the M20 and events centre will likely be shelved (both long over-due projects). The Dunkettle interchange (1999) still won't be completed after this upgrade, it'll still be missing one traffic flow.

Now, arguably Carrigaline is a lost cause and the County Council's job to fix, given that it's been allowed to develop so badly. But to say that "Cork is being treated well"....I can't think of a government infrastructure project in Cork since the 2010-2013 N40 flyovers. Plenty of announcements and sod-turnings but nothing delivered in over 5 years of departments saying "we need to focus on developing the economic centres in cities outside Dublin".

AugustusMinimus

The problem here is that Dublin as the largest and capital city, is getting a lot of investment and rightly so.

Cork is has about the same population as Limerick, Galway and Waterford put together. Yet government mantra seems to be to treat Cork the same as all other cities.

They seem to communicate that it should get the same level of investment.

Cork needs to be put aside into a different bracket. It needs more infrastructural investment as it is a much bigger city and has been starved of infrastructural investment in the last 20 years.

It’s all talk down here. Nothing but talk. At the same time we are seeing infrastructural investment elsewhere getting built. It is hugely frustrating to see such public underinvestment at a time when the private sector are supporting Cork so well.

The real question is how much private investment is Cotl missing out on due to lack of public investment?

hans aus dtschl

We've had report after report identifying the SW as currently the only economically viable are in the country outside of the Dublin region and we're basically just leaving it to its own devices. And we're simultaneously complaining that Dublin's under too much pressure!

It's like we're looking at all of the mistakes the UK made and trying to be even worse!

EdgeCase

I wouldn't even mind if they left it to its own devices, if it had the ability to collect taxes and raise finance through public borrowing like a proper municipal government, but we don't have that level of decentralisation in Ireland, so everything has to go through the machinations of national politics.

Incidentally, the same applies to Dublin - and it also suffers from having projects bounced around as national political footballs that would normally be dealt with by municipal government in a sanely organised country.

sonnyblack

Besides all that, does anyone have any further information or recent updates on the Carrigaline Western Relief Road?

mikeym

Im going to throw in my 2 cent and say that the traffic in and around Carrigaline is dire.

Janeville has seem to have made things worse.

Theres only one road out of Carrigaline if anyone needs to get to the South Link.

I hope the m28 gets built quick or its traffic woes for everyone.

marno21

In fairness, the deputy Leader of this country is busy trying to shield the country from the effects of its closest neighbour and one of its biggest trading partners flushing its economy down the toilet for some bizarre reason that no one can really figure out.

The Carrigaline Western Relief Road is not included in the 2018-2022 Capital Plan funding for local/regional roads. The council can push to have it included in the 2023-2027 funding.

In the meantime, it would be more beneficial for the €220m M28 to be built but there are some lovely individuals further up the road that are concerned about the apparent effect they believe it would have on the price of their house.

marno21

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

We've had report after report identifying the SW as currently the only economically viable are in the country outside of the Dublin region and we're basically just leaving it to its own devices. And we're simultaneously complaining that Dublin's under too much pressure!

It's like we're looking at all of the mistakes the UK made and trying to be even worse!

Yes but if we do fund projects in the south west wouldn't that be highly unfair on the people in the west who are waiting for investment for jobs?

The CEO of Google came out last week and said he was interested in developing a campus in Swinford only if they reopened a Victorian railway that runs through the area that was built for transporting cattle and other freight.

On a serious note, there is about €4bn needing to be spent on the roads in Cork to bring them upto the standard required. Then another €1bn or so on bus services and a light rail system.

marno21

Project to be tendered for construction today. Construction to begin Q2 2020 with 18 month works timeframe

highwaymaniac

marno21 wrote: »

Project to be tendered for construction today. Construction to begin Q2 2020 with 18 month works timeframe

The timeframe has slipped again 5 months ago it was construction by the end of the year!! It seems the earliest possible start date is always given instead of a realistic one.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Work-on-Carrigaline-relief-road-to-start-by-end-of-year-58819de1-c7fa-471d-8c88-08d3fb50cfdd-ds

I am going to predict september 2020 for construction start just based on nearly every project not starting on time lately.

marno21

Tender out now:

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/154611/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

marno21

https://twitter.com/corkcoco/status/1250341510693806081

highwaymaniac

marno21 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/corkcoco/status/1250341510693806081

Timing seems very odd given the government announcement yesterday about construction projects. Only 6 weeks to Tender in this current climate given all tender deadlines are to be extended by 6 weeks?

https://merrionstreet.ie/en/News-Room/News/Minister_Donohoe_announces_measures_to_ensure_delivery_of_Exchequer-funded_capital_projects_under_Project_Ireland_2040.html

AugustusMinimus

This has now gone to construction I believe. There was a pottery fund yesterday. Hopefully it won’t hold up construction too much.

cantalach

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

This has now gone to construction I believe. There was a pottery fund yesterday. Hopefully it won’t hold up construction too much.

Construction hasn’t started. The ongoing advance works are specifically to remove the old pottery The proposed route is through the site of Carrigaline Pottery which closed in the late ‘70s.

marno21

Tenders have now been received and contract award will happen before end 2020 subject to funding

There’s service diversion works ongoing along the route at the minute

How much of an effect on Carrigaline traffic do ye think this will have? To me it seems the main thing it will do is divert traffic from the south of the town towards the various rat runs towards the city to the west of the town, and perhaps effectively use the R613 as an outer N40 to get traffic to the N27 and the N71.

It doesn’t provide much relief to the main route through the town as traffic has to rejoin the R611 at the Court Hotel.

The Janeville lights and the crossroads on the Relief Road seem to be the 2 major pinch points and these are completely unaddressed here

hans aus dtschl

marno21 wrote: »

Tenders have now been received and contract award will happen before end 2020 subject to funding

There’s service diversion works ongoing along the route at the minute

How much of an effect on Carrigaline traffic do ye think this will have? To me it seems the main thing it will do is divert traffic from the south of the town towards the various rat runs towards the city to the west of the town, and perhaps effectively use the R613 as an outer N40 to get traffic to the N27 and the N71.

It doesn’t provide much relief to the main route through the town as traffic has to rejoin the R611 at the Court Hotel.

The Janeville lights and the crossroads on the Relief Road seem to be the 2 major pinch points and these are completely unaddressed here

Yeah but a lot of people are using those back-roads like Captains Boreen, Forest Road, Ballea Road now so it should make things a little safer there hopefully.

The main things I can see that would help the town would be dealing with the amount of parking accessed directly from the main street.

I don't see anything in this plan that will help in that respect. It's just another development/sprawl facilitator really as far as I can see.
If you even look at Carrigaline on Google Maps, the amount of surface area given to car parking in the town is enormous. What are you going to get on the main street when you have a couple of thousand car parking spaces accessed directly from that main street?

If the new road was used as the only entrance to some of these car parks, it might help.

marno21

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Yeah but a lot of people are using those back-roads like Captains Boreen, Forest Road, Ballea Road now so it should make things a little safer there hopefully.

The main things I can see that would help the town would be dealing with the amount of parking accessed directly from the main street.

I don't see anything in this plan that will help in that respect. It's just another development/sprawl facilitator really as far as I can see.
If you even look at Carrigaline on Google Maps, the amount of surface area given to car parking in the town is enormous. What are you going to get on the main street when you have a couple of thousand car parking spaces accessed directly from that main street?

If the new road was used as the only entrance to some of these car parks, it might help.

Isn't there a link from the new road to the car park at the back of SuperValu/the shopping centre? That's an excellent point about the car parking - it will help.

My main issue is the signalised junction beside the Court Hotel where this new road docks, and the associated effect on the roundabout. It does little for getting through traffic out of the urban area which is a major issue imo.

Then again, such a measure (a full route around the town) would likely only facilitate further sprawl and make the overall situation worse.

hans aus dtschl

marno21 wrote: »

Isn't there a link from the new road to the car park at the back of SuperValu/the shopping centre? That's an excellent point about the car parking - it will help.

My main issue is the signalised junction beside the Court Hotel where this new road docks, and the associated effect on the roundabout. It does little for getting through traffic out of the urban area which is a major issue imo.

Then again, such a measure (a full route around the town) would likely only facilitate further sprawl and make the overall situation worse.

Yep I share your concerns.
The new link to the Super Valu car park is good, but I think they'll need to close the existing main street entrance too, to have the most positive effect. And I don't think that Collins' Super Valu would like that very much.

I know a lot of traffic is currently taking the route through the main street to get to the south of Carrigaline. I do this a lot myself. If they introduce further traffic calming measures on the main street, or if the main street is looking busy, I'll use this route instead.

In saying all of that, I don't think it's a good scheme, personally. It looks like a sprawl facilitator to me.

audab

Looks like this is ready to go, maybe even before Christmas

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Works-on-Carrigaline-relief-road-to-begin-within-weeks-def27fbe-28e8-4dc8-b1ef-5c1fc55b313d-ds

Hibernicis

Cork County Council are seeking first round public input on the proposed Carrigaline Transportation and Public Realm Enhancement Plan. This compliments the Relief Road and includes allowance for pedestrian and cycle connectivity, public transport etc. Submissions can be made online or by e-mail up to and including 1st March.

Full details are available here.

This is also available as a video on youtube but it’s just a council employee reading the powerpoint aloud.

Slightly off topic but hoping that the mods will show forbearance as this may well be of interest to posters in this thread based on previous posts.

marno21

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40247540.html

Awarded to BAM. Work to commence in April

AugustusMinimus

marno21 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40247540.html

Awarded to BAM. Work to commence in April

Good to hear. However it drives me mad in this country that we develop houses first and only then do we improve infrastructure.

Life south of the river in Carrigaline must have been a nightmare.

high horse

marno21 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40247540.html

Awarded to BAM. Work to commence in April

Does anyone know if the work has started yet?

giveth

high horse wrote: »

Does anyone know if the work has started yet?

According to facebook posts of local councilors, it has started.

Project website is here: www.cwrr.ie

high horse

giveth wrote: »

According to facebook posts of local councilors, it has started.

Project website is here: www.cwrr.ie

I meant actual diggers on site doing work, not local councillors making noise. I might take a spin over that way later and have a look

marno21

high horse wrote: »

I meant actual diggers on site doing work, not local councillors making noise. I might take a spin over that way later and have a look

Site compound is in place (you can see it from SuperValu car park) and initial works are underway.

Full works to commence in the next 2 months with a Q4 2022 opening planned.

Hibernicis

Updates are appearing here

Current status:

April 2021 Works

Site Compound Set Up
Site Establishment and Security
Environmental Surveys
Site Clearance Works

Upcoming Works in May 2021

Continue Site Clearance Works
Commence Pre-Earthworks Drainage
Utility Diversions
Commence Structures
North Pumping Station
Retaining Walls

Hibernicis

Current status from the project website. No change to the timeline so hopefully remains on target for completion by October 2022

October Works:

Continued Earthworks

Continued Masonry Stone and Brick work to retaining walls

Continued reinforced concrete works to bridge

Continued both North and South Pumping Stations

Continued drainage works

Continued watermain works

Continued gas main works

Commenced upgrade works to Soccer Club Road

Continued Earth Retaining Wall

 

November Works:

Continue Earthworks

Complete brickwork to East retaining wall

Continue stonework to West retaining wall

Continue North and South Pumping Stations

Continue Drainage works

Continue Watermain

Commence Fencing

Continue works on Owenabue Bridge

Some pretty good aerial photos on the website:

https://www.cwrr.ie/gallery/

Hibernicis

No news updates but some good aerial photos in the gallery showing progress as the road takes shape.

Gallery is here https://www.cwrr.ie/gallery/

AugustusMinimus

When’s the projected opening? Of all the projects in County Cork this is one of the best bang for buck ones.

Main Street Carrigaline is an absolute disaster. Another issue which sadly won’t be solved is that there is effectively only one main access point to the town.

compare that to Ballincollig which has 3 links to the N22/N40 alone.

Hibernicis

From the Website "The Carrigaline Western Relief Road project is being undertaken by Bam Civil Ltd. on behalf of Cork County Council with construction activities due to commence in April 2021 and will continue for 18 months."

It's been a good winter for construction (so far) and looks like they are making decent progress, so hopefully they will be on target and 4th quarter this year will see it in operation. The bridge over the Owenabue which is is the only substantial structure and that was finished a few weeks back.

mcburns07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118543935#Comment_118543935

Looks like it it’ll be a nice walk along the river up to the soccer club