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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion : Spring/Summer 2020

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Plenty of heavy showers yesterday , only sferics showed up in the SE early evening.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECMWF 06Z showing fairly high potential for thunderstorm activity early Weds morning into Weds day. Overnight temperatures of 16 to 18C, Dp's 15 to 16C .

    Forcing along the front with plenty of instability, warm Theata W and Theta E readings, good lapse rates, LLS and DLS available. lift off the mountains in the SW and S, cool upper pool. Thunderstorm potential in the SW and S moving up into the country early morning.

    The Fax chart showing Ireland within the 564 DAM line, Sticky night in store Tues into Weds.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Mention of thunderstorms for tomorrow afternoon on Knock TAF,albeit small risk.
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    BECMG 0400/0402 18013KT 3000 -RA BKN005 TEMPO 0402/0418 1200 RA BR BKN002
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    PROB40 TEMPO 0413/0416 TSRA BKN018CB


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Surprised that Met Eireann has no mention of Thunderstorm potential for early Weds morning.


    Another day of increasing interest is Fri. We will see how it pans out but for the moment it looks like a cold front associated with a LP tracking up off the W , NW coast will track slowly up over the country. Temperatures in the low 20's with very high Dp's of 16 to 18C. could be a lively day up over the country with some locally heavy falls. One to keep an eye on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,963 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    A chance of some thunderstorms on Friday, looks fairly low risk but the chance is there.

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    temperatures into the low 20's as well on Friday before cooler air takes over the weekend.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Strike on Blitzortung west of Castletownbere


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    A lot less potential for thunderstorms on Fri would think, some low chance more towards the East perhaps, front not as active in recent runs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Siobhán Ryan on the Radio1 forecast before 8am said Monday has the potential for heavy thundery rain and spot flooding.

    Met É's website says "Very mild and heavy overnight. Scattered thunderstorms and widespread falls of heavy rain will lead to localised flooding."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭spookwoman




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Bit of a squall line crossing the midlands and north of Ireland at the moment, with the heat building across the east (21°c to 22°c) this might pep up and spark?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Siobhán Ryan on the Radio1 forecast before 8am said Monday has the potential for heavy thundery rain and spot flooding.

    Met É's website says "Very mild and heavy overnight. Scattered thunderstorms and widespread falls of heavy rain will lead to localised flooding."

    From Sunday morning onwards looks like it could enter 'Welsh import' terrotiry for the SE and E of Ireland with Monday in particular looking good:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Radar showing development over Carlow town.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,220 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Met Eireann mentioning the UK met office warning for thunderstorms over there making their way here on the lunchtime forecast .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Met Eireann mentioning the UK met office warning for thunderstorms over there making their way here on the lunchtime forecast .

    Same restated by JoDo on RTE1 at 6:30. Her forecast was gas :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Same restated by JoDo on RTE1 at 6:30. Her forecast was gas :D

    Couldn't remember all the NI counties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Couldn't remember all the NI counties.

    Couldn't remember "Ulster" I think. Well rescued though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    Same restated by JoDo on RTE1 at 6:30. Her forecast was gas :D

    She consistently annoys both me and the missus!

    The frequent lack of structure in her forecasts which seem poorly planned and scripted is both sloppy and very unprofessional. And the wink and the cúpla focail at the end is no compensation for a shoddy job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭typhoony


    end of the week looks interesting, cape values nothing special but with slack winds, low pressure and temps in the 20's I think we should see some activity


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,179 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Monday could be interesting

    Or Tuesday.

    Malin Heads total might be beaten in a few hours.

    Joanna was on the gargle obviously. Ya wouldnt trip over your words that much in sobriety unless you were Michael Martin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,220 ✭✭✭pad199207


    pauldry wrote: »
    Monday could be interesting

    Or Tuesday.

    Malin Heads total might be beaten in a few hours.

    Joanna was on the gargle obviously. Ya wouldnt trip over your words that much in sobriety unless you were Michael Martin

    That’s very unfair to say that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 694 ✭✭✭jackrussel


    pauldry wrote: »
    Monday could be interesting

    Or Tuesday.

    Malin Heads total might be beaten in a few hours.

    Joanna was on the gargle obviously. Ya wouldnt trip over your words that much in sobriety unless you were Michael Martin

    You can’t be talking about Joanna like that on boards don’t ya know! They’ll have yer head on a stick for it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    I like her she gives an honest opinion and doesn't really care what you or me think!
    Looks thundery during Wed/Thurs


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Currently most of the activity Monday over the UK and over waters between Ireland and the UK. How much will stray close to or in over the Irish coast ? Will have to wait and see maps closer to the time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭eon1208


    Thanks Meteorite. I want Monday to be completely dry in the Laois area. Do you currently think there is a good chance of that. The rain seems to be be only just making landfall. I wonder could it likely pan out like this.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The rain seems to be be only just making landfall.


    Models look divided at the moment, from showing mostly missing and staying over water to some heavy showers up along coastal counties. Couldn't call it, very close.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭eon1208


    Thanks Meteorite. I appreciate your response. If you notice a more definite trend tomorrow and you have time, it would be helpful to know the odds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    eon1208 wrote: »
    Thanks Meteorite. I appreciate your response. If you notice a more definite trend tomorrow and you have time, it would be helpful to know the odds.

    In the nature of that weather setup, it'll be showery in the eastern half of the Country. Will the showers be significant, maybe. Will they get as far inland Laois, also maybe. Will they be sporadic, yes.

    It'll be a nowcast situation, keep an eye on the rain radar.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM edging the potential for heavy showers, thunderstorm activity closer to the SE, E and NE on the latest run. Still not full model consensus and a deal of unpredictability in this set up as reflected by Met Eireanns forecast : Warm again tomorrow with some spells of hazy sunshine though more cloud around generally especially in parts of the north and east. Much of the country staying dry with just isolated sharp showers breaking out. However, it is likely that heavy showers and thunderstorms will move across Ulster during the afternoon and evening. Parts of Leinster, especially near the coast, may see some showers or thunderstorms too at any stage through the day, though they may stay out at sea. Highest temperatures of 19 to 25 degrees, warmest over Munster. Winds will be light and northerly or variable in direction

    MT mentions showers or thunderstorms possible by mid morning in parts of the SE, E and central counties.


    No doubt big instability from the slow moving trough coinciding with peak diurnal heating, plenty of lift around Wales, very high temperatures across the water, up to about 30c near Bristol and high Dp's of around 18C near Wales and up around 16C around the SE, E.

    Low level shear with convergence zones over the sea, Deep layer shear available, where showers occur could be very heavy if they come onshore, a lot of available moisture available.

    The all important AROME just rolling out, where it wasn't showing shower activity it now is in the SE, E, NE, N and some moving inland possible also into central counties as MT mentioned. More to be gleaned from the models as they roll out today.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭eon1208


    Thanks Meteorite. I was feeling after Mets forecast that the odds were in favour of dry. All week they gave thunderstorms and now the storms don't make it inland except in the north. I will plan on tomorrow being dry. The odds look better today than they did all week. I know its fickle though. We'll see. Fingers crossed. Maybe the later models will give clarity. BTW what is the Arome model.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Not looking good for most of us tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/MetEireann/status/1292437748738031617?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭eon1208


    Rain is missing Ireland on that map. Cloud and heat is the order of the day.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    eon1208 wrote: »
    Rain is missing Ireland on that map. Cloud and heat is the order of the day.

    Wouldn't be so quick to discount rain and thunderstorm potential. The HARMONIE has upgraded since to show rainfall making its way inland and the ECM 06Z has also increased the potential again for some heavy rainfall in places and increased thunderstorm potential as has most of the European models apart from the EURO 4.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Might be a few rouge strikes in the SE tonight? Clouds just west of Cornwall look like potential.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,962 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    eon1208 wrote: »
    Rain is missing Ireland on that map. Cloud and heat is the order of the day.

    Yes, it's looking good for Laois to stay dry, but in these kind of setups showers could appear anywhere in the East, so rain can't be ruled out 100 per cent, especially closer to the east and south east coast


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,220 ✭✭✭pad199207


    ECM bringing the risk even further onto the coast for thundery activity tomorrow evening

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  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭eon1208


    Thanks guys. I like to study the weather. I have 4 acres of hay on the ground. It is extremely hard, sometimes almost impossible to make quality hay in Ireland. Its not ready until Tuesday. I was going to put plastic around it. More expensive that but soft clean hay is so much nicer than silage. I have decided to go for it. Its a gamble but the forecast is pointing to a dry 48 hours. Meteorite " I'm definitely not taking it for granted. Its a big gamble. Fingers crossed and I appreciate the forecast. I like to study it hay or no hay..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Danno wrote: »
    Might be a few rouge strikes in the SE tonight? Clouds just west of Cornwall look like potential.

    Looks like something bubbling up out to sea off the south


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    eon1208 wrote: »
    Thanks guys. I like to study the weather. I have 4 acres of hay on the ground. It is extremely hard, sometimes almost impossible to make quality hay in Ireland. Its not ready until Tuesday. I was going to put plastic around it. More expensive that but soft clean hay is so much nicer than silage. I have decided to go for it. Its a gamble but the forecast is pointing to a dry 48 hours. Meteorite " I'm definitely not taking it for granted. Its a big gamble. Fingers crossed and I appreciate the forecast. I like to study it hay or no hay..

    Have a hay field rented out. He cut and turned 4 acres with great care. Needed another half day and had to call in the baler and wrapper before the rain came. Such was life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    No mention of thunderstorms on Dublin airport TAF,just a small chance of a heavy shower

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    TAF EIDW 092300Z 1000/1024 31004KT 9999 FEW012 SCT040
    PROB40 TEMPO 1002/1007 4000 BR BKN008
    PROB40 TEMPO 1007/1010 BKN008
    BECMG 1008/1010 04007KT
    PROB30 TEMPO 1015/1021 4000 SHRA BKN012 SCT040CB
    BECMG 1018/1020 35005KT
    PROB40 TEMPO 1021/1024 BKN012
    BECMG 1022/1024 28005KT


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,154 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Showers gathering now off the SE coast now. Some sferics in Devon/Cornwall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Sparking away merrily too in south Wales over the Brecon Beacons


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Cooljaybeans


    Looks to be heading towards wexford


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭highdef


    Looks to be heading towards wexford

    Looks like making landfall further north, more likely to be Wicklow and dare I say it but Dublin is at risk with the current trajectory and intensity. All subject to change, of course!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Seem to be loosing their charge crossing the sea :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,220 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Status Yellow - Thunder warning for Leinster, Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal

    Met Éireann Weather Warning

    Scattered thunderstorms today and tonight, with lightning, hail and a risk of localised flooding.

    Valid: 11:00 Monday 10/08/2020 to 08:00 Tuesday 11/08/2020

    Issued: 11:00 Monday 10/08/2020


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,220 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Status Yellow - Thunder warning for Leinster, Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal

    Met Éireann Weather Warning

    Scattered thunderstorms today and tonight, with lightning, hail and a risk of localised flooding.

    Valid: 11:00 Monday 10/08/2020 to 08:00 Tuesday 11/08/2020

    Issued: 11:00 Monday 10/08/2020


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭typhoony


    the views across the Irish sea from Howth and Dalkey could be entertaining.

    the potential is there all week, weak low pressure with bands moving from SE to NW.


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