Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 10:29am

Deusexmachina wrote: »

If he knew the exact figure, would you have then agreed with his point?

Ah Jaysus.

There is no point entertaining a person who clearly doesn't know the basic facts of the position he is stating

Here's a definition for you

How can he be so certain that they get too much if he doesn't even have a ballpark notion of how much they get?

Why on earth would you think that him actually knowing the figure would mean that people would have to agree with his stance? But the fact that he doesn't even know the figure proves he's talking shite

Casey is just a chancer and waffler. He was going to "leave" politics. Then decided he'd stay in and start his own party. Today, he wants to join FF and be Taoiseach. He actually has no policies or beliefs other than whatever might suit at that point in time in getting him into some position somewhere.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 10:30am

pjohnson wrote: »

You may have missed my Sarcasm Donny :P

I wasn't the only one

Wheeliebin30 · 28-10-2018 10:33am

Evd-Burner wrote: »

To be honest even though I voted Casey I don't think he would make the best of politicians, I voted for him because I am sick and tired of all the political correctness and not being allowed to comment on career social welfare spongers.

I have a good job and I work hard, yet can't afford to buy a house near my kids or where I grew up. Others I know from years ago in school who have not bothered to make anything of themselves have had houses handed to them by the state and if I dare comment on it I am a right wing racist?! I am all for social welfare as needed but it should not be an option to make a career of it like the Margaret Cash's of this country do.

This is the one point I will ram down any politician knocking for votes soon.

A non working person should never be handed a house in an area of their choosing when a working person can’t get the same option.

And they should never be given the same house for 40 euro a week in an estate where people have to pay 1500 a month on a mortgage.

Lads in my class in school who bullied people and where general wasters who dropped out after the junior cert now living in areas with nice shiny houses paying pittance in rent.

It’s wrong on so many levels.

doolox · 28-10-2018 10:45am

There are some people who do not fit in and society is better off leaving them out of the workplace and letting them live in a house on very low money.

Most enterprises value harmony, peace and order in the workplace and would be averse to hiring or retaining a bully or waster into their team.

The alternative to ordinary housing is jail or incarceration which is much more expensive than subsidised housing for these types of people.

It is far from ideal but we can be thankful that the bullies did not turn to serious crime and end up costing society more by being in jail.

Bobeagleburger · 28-10-2018 10:47am

And Casey is joining Fianna Fail. Clearly a man of principles..

Wheeliebin30 · 28-10-2018 10:49am

RoboKlopp wrote: »

And Casey is joining Fianna Fail. Clearly a man of principles..

It wasn’t a support vote for him it was to send a message to the government.

Let’s be honest he was clearly out of his depth in the debates!!

Annasopra · 28-10-2018 11:02am

Ah hes great comedy

Yesterday he said he wants all 30,000 travellers to live in Aras an Uachtarain
Today he says he will be the next FF taioseach

Ursus Horribilis · 28-10-2018 11:10am

He's trolling but perhaps that doesn't come across in print

lawred2 · 28-10-2018 11:11am

pjohnson wrote: »

No no. It was his welfare stance that appealed to Casey voters not his comments on travellers.

It's not actually possible for you to know that

lawred2 · 28-10-2018 11:12am

namloc1980 wrote: »

How do the Casey voters feel about him potentially joining FF? Bit of a blow I'd imagine.

Hilarious. Evidence of a man who has studied the arts of populism.

If he was true to his words then FF would not be a choice for a working person's party.

Bobeagleburger · 28-10-2018 11:17am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It wasn’t a support vote for him it was to send a message to the government.

Let’s be honest he was clearly out of his depth in the debates!!

The government he wants to join!

Let's face it'll, most of these guys are self serving and full of ****!

P_1 · 28-10-2018 11:17am

Considering FF are the party responsible for the expansion of the welfare state he is so seemingly against it's a bit rich of the twat to want to join them

NIMAN · 28-10-2018 11:21am

Casey is a very poor orator. He struggles to make his points clearly and I notice he often doesn't finish sentences properly.

He might not be great at this aspect of it all, or make a coherent politician, but he has to be admired for asking speaking his mind, especially in an email where careers can be ruined by one I'll judged sentence.

For that alone, I think he deserves a lot of credit.

Jackman25 · 28-10-2018 11:32am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ah now in fairness, it should be very very easy to find a better candidate with similar views to Casey.

He just stumbled onto a bit populist fortune. A smarter candidate would have done more with it

You are 100% spot on here. Its an amazing result considering he was quite a poor candidate.

23% of the voters who gave 2 fingers to Varadkar are in play now to be picked up in the next GE by a party with the right message for them.

NewbridgeIR · 28-10-2018 11:33am

An alternative viewpoint
https://twitter.com/acaomhanach/status/1056145865155534849?s=21

marvin80 · 28-10-2018 11:45am

A good piece on it:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election/kevin-doyle-peter-casey-is-no-donald-trump-the-real-reason-for-his-support-surge-is-deeper-37465396.html

blinding · 28-10-2018 11:46am

There was a very very strong Hint of Law and Order in that Vote .
The Rural people in particular do not want to be intimidated and robbed in their homes .
Do keep up Leo ! And not just fancy socks please !

namloc1980 · 28-10-2018 11:46am

Jackman25 wrote: »

You are 100% spot on here. Its an amazing result considering he was quite a poor candidate.

23% of the voters who gave 2 fingers to Varadkar are in play now to be picked up in the next GE by a party with the right message for them.

They're not really. The exit poll showed most of them will be back voting for FG or FF at the next election. This idea that the 23% are some sort of hive mind bloc ready to start a social revolution is completely off.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-10-2018 11:47am

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

He's trolling but perhaps that doesn't come across in print

So was Donald Trump (the real one) and we all know how that turned out...

This is how things start - you get people outraged with a specific easy target race/ethnic group/group of people in order to distract people from the real issues so you can have power while the country gradually eats itself.

28-10-2018 12:11pm

Evd-Burner wrote: »

To be honest even though I voted Casey I don't think he would make the best of politicians, I voted for him because I am sick and tired of all the political correctness and not being allowed to comment on career social welfare spongers.

I have a good job and I work hard, yet can't afford to buy a house near my kids or where I grew up. Others I know from years ago in school who have not bothered to make anything of themselves have had houses handed to them by the state and if I dare comment on it I am a right wing racist?! I am all for social welfare as needed but it should not be an option to make a career of it like the Margaret Cash's of this country do.

I'm Sure there are many of us who feel the same way, good to see someone stand up for the majority of hard-working people who don't like being told what to think, as if our opinions are "wrong!" and out of step with the official viewpoint.

Annasopra · 28-10-2018 12:16pm

The irony of people are saying they voted for a millionaire who doesnt pay tax here because the system is so unfair

10000maniacs · 28-10-2018 12:20pm

Marian Finucane and her establishment cronies on Radio 1 now dismissing Casey's vote as a blip and non event.
She even said or agreed that his 23% vote is not a big message to the establishment. "Its only 23%"
I would beg to differ on that. Casey's vote is a strong message to our social democratic government to reboot our social welfare state and make it harder for the "pay for nothing brigade" to bleed our country dry.

wetlandsboy · 28-10-2018 12:23pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

Marian Finucane and her establishment cronies on Radio 1 now dismissing Casey's vote as a blip and non event.
She even said or agreed that his 23% vote is not a big message to the establishment. "Its only 23%"
I would beg to differ on that. Casey's vote is a strong message to our social democratic government to reboot our social welfare state and make it harder for the "pay for nothing brigade" to bleed our country dry.

Agreed. It’s an outrage. Only one brief reference to social welfare lifers, which I suspect is what upsets most people. They are crying racism in an effort to bury the story. Sadly, I think they’ll succeed.

28-10-2018 12:29pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The irony of people are saying they voted for a millionaire who doesnt pay tax here because the system is so unfair

I think he clarified his tax affairs several times that he is a US taxpayer already.

tretorn · 28-10-2018 12:30pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So was Donald Trump (the real one) and we all know how that turned out...

This is how things start - you get people outraged with a specific easy target race/ethnic group/group of people in order to distract people from the real issues so you can have power while the country gradually eats itself.

Peter Casey didnt get anyone outraged.
He gave voice to what people think about travellers and what he said was very minor to what people are saying in communities in rural Ireland. These people are afraid to speak out because the travellers have terrified and intimidated them, not because they are sfraid they will be called racist on social media.
I hope Peter Casey has good security on his house, not many people would say what he did, they would be too afraid for their families.

Ursus Horribilis · 28-10-2018 12:36pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So was Donald Trump (the real one) and we all know how that turned out...

This is how things start - you get people outraged with a specific easy target race/ethnic group/group of people in order to distract people from the real issues so you can have power while the country gradually eats itself.

Instead of just dismissing this as Donald Trump part 2,they should find out why people voted for him. This is a simplification but here goes. Not all of Trump's voters were rednecks whose grandfathers lynched black people and listen to Fox News 24/7. Many were people felt they weren't being listened to by the establishment and felt disconnected. They knew he was a jerk but voted anyway.

Casey's comments were self-serving but what's more disturbing is the way they're being dismissed. Many people who live in Ireland have no time for travellers and social welfare lifestylers. They don't need to be brainwashed by a TV station to decide that. They're seeing it with their own two eyes. If they're unlucky, they're being affected by it. Yet no politicians have the balls to do anything about it. This is a great country to live in if you are an ethnic minority or are too lazy to work. Working people get the short shrift and it's no wonder they're angry.

This is a shot across the bows and something policy makers should be heeding. At the very least, there needs to be a proper debate about it. Shutting this down and throwing Donald Trump remarks around is counter productive.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 12:42pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So was Donald Trump (the real one) and we all know how that turned out...

Feck off :pac:

I think we'll bring Casey over to sort out our Traveller and Caravan problems.

All them ISIS feckers coming from the terrorist hotspot of Guatemala

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 12:46pm

Jackman25 wrote: »

You are 100% spot on here. Its an amazing result considering he was quite a poor candidate.

23% of the voters who gave 2 fingers to Varadkar are in play now to be picked up in the next GE by a party with the right message for them.

I read a comment somewhere, might have been in an article to make the point of what would have happened if he had the persona of a Farage , able to actually verbalise and convincingly present whatever point he was making. That's when things get scary

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 12:48pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah hes great comedy

Yesterday he said he wants all 30,000 travellers to live in Aras an Uachtarain
Today he says he will be the next FF taioseach

There is no substance to your criticism. By all means debate his points. But just scoffing is wafer thin.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 12:52pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

Marian Finucane and her establishment cronies on Radio 1 now dismissing Casey's vote as a blip and non event.
She even said or agreed that his 23% vote is not a big message to the establishment. "Its only 23%"
I would beg to differ on that. Casey's vote is a strong message to our social democratic government to reboot our social welfare state and make it harder for the "pay for nothing brigade" to bleed our country dry.

The issue is that there isn't really a coherent message in these vague "protest vote" scenarios. Everyone is voting for their own "protest" reason. And it would be impossible for everyone to be satisfied because often their aims are mutually exclusive or contradictory.

You can bet your life there were people who voted in protest because they have been waiting on housing lists for years and perceive that people - travellers/foreigners/single mothers / whatever - jump them in the queue. And you'll get the people protesting that there is any social housing at all.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 12:54pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

There is no substance to your criticism. By all means debate his points. But just scoffing is wafer thin.

It's hard to criticize a target that is moving so fast and with no actual policies.

We could spend today examining his FF credentials and tomorrow he'll have joined SF. Then the next day he'll be back across the border, in with the DUP to make sure UK gets out of Europe

:pac:

tretorn · 28-10-2018 12:57pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

The issue is that there isn't really a coherent message in these vague "protest vote" scenarios. Everyone is voting for their own "protest" reason. And it would be impossible for everyone to be satisfied because often their aims are mutually exclusive or contradictory.

You can bet your life there were people who voted in protest because they have been waiting on housing lists for years and perceive that people - travellers/foreigners/single mothers / whatever - jump them in the queue. And you'll get the people protesting that there is any social housing at all.

There is a coherent message in Caseys vote.
When his vote is anaylsed it will be clear he got most support in the areas where the travellers are causing most trouble. You can check out his vite in each electoral area and if you cant see the link then you need to go to specsavers.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 12:58pm

tretorn wrote: »

There is a coherent message in Caseys vote.
When his vote is anaylsed it will be clear he got most support in the areas where the travellers are causing most trouble. You can check out his vite in each electoral area and if you cant see the link then you need to go to specsavers.

What exactly was this amazing message?

How did he enlighten you and what solutions did he proffer.

Ursus Horribilis · 28-10-2018 12:59pm

Donald, what do YOU think his message was?

10000maniacs · 28-10-2018 1:00pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

The issue is that there isn't really a coherent message in these vague "protest vote" scenarios. Everyone is voting for their own "protest" reason. And it would be impossible for everyone to be satisfied because often their aims are mutually exclusive or contradictory.

You can bet your life there were people who voted in protest because they have been waiting on housing lists for years and perceive that people - travellers/foreigners/single mothers / whatever - jump them in the queue. And you'll get the people protesting that there is any social housing at all.

Yeah but its the squeezed middle in Ireland that are the least likely to protest about their situation. The exception was in Fridays vote. They weren't the ones protesting on water charges, why? because either way it would have been them paying for water anyway.
Nobody came out an protested against property tax because the "pay for nothing brigade" don't own property in general anyway, and squeezed home owners were too exhausted to protest after a hard weeks work.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 1:02pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Donald, what do YOU think his message was?

I didn't see or hear a coherent one.

Said something without realizing the impact. Then took a few days off. Then realised he could double down on it and say a few more populist things and get his money back.

He appeared to be making it up as he went along.

Ursus Horribilis · 28-10-2018 1:03pm

I don't think you wanted to see or hear it.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 1:04pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I don't think you wanted to see or hear it.

Well enlighten us

Only things I heard were
1) Travellers shouldn't be considered an ethnic group
2) People on social welfare get too much even though he has no idea how much they get

You've little to be worried about if #1 is affecting your day-to-day life
Difficult to respond to #2 unless he suggests what his idea of an appropriate amount it

Edit: One more. He is going to get out of politics. Which then means he is definitely going to set up a new party. And that obviously means joining Fianna Fail and becoming Taoiseach. Sure who could find fault in that logic!

Ursus Horribilis · 28-10-2018 1:06pm

I could but I know it'll be about as useful as playing chess with a pigeon

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 1:08pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I could but I know it'll be about as useful as playing chess with a pigeon

I know the feeling.

I suppose it's a major secret that only Peter Casey voters can understand.

Must have been sent out via secret channel in the week leading up to the vote to the selected elite. I mean middle class. I mean working class. Or whatever :pac:

I suppose past experience of playing chess with pigeons might have embarrassed you into never trying again if they beat you ;-)

Ursus Horribilis · 28-10-2018 1:10pm

I'll happily elaborate later if I've time. It's a lovely sunny day and we're off out to enjoy the day. Byeeeeee.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 1:11pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I'll happily elaborate later if I've time. It's a lovely sunny day and we're off out to enjoy the day. Byeeeeee.

Byeeeeeee :pac:

Blazer · 28-10-2018 1:18pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

I read a comment somewhere, might have been in an article to make the point of what would have happened if he had the persona of a Farage , able to actually verbalise and convincingly present whatever point he was making. That's when things get scary

That's where we are heading. The whole PC culture has gone ridiculously overboard, you look at hospital queues and see people just dumped on trolleys in a hallway in front of other people queuing, you see people crying out for medical care, or support for their autistic children.
You see old people living in fear in the country because of travelling gangs targeting their houses or savings.
You see farmers being robbed left right and center and being threatened by the travellers if they try and report it.
But they're dismissed as bigots because they voted for Casey who were asked a simple question and answered it truthfully. Sure he might be a gob****e but he's tapped into the feeling of the working class who feel they are getting nothing for busting their ass every day working while travellers and welfare scroungers get handed everything.
But of course Varadkar and co don't give a toss up in Dublin as long as they have their snouts in the trough they're happy.
Now they're starting to wake up that they might have a serious issue in the next election. If all these people are disillusioned with FG it could be a serious threat to their re-election so their first instinct is to try and smear Casey, dismiss his voters as bigots etc.
If we keep going down this road we're going to eventually get a political party that could prove disastrous to us as a country.

28-10-2018 1:21pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I'll happily elaborate later if I've time. It's a lovely sunny day and we're off out to enjoy the day. Byeeeeee.

sunny day?

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 1:24pm

Blazer wrote: »

That's where we are heading. The whole PC culture has gone ridiculously overboard, you look at hospital queues and see people just dumped on trolleys in a hallway in front of other people queuing, you see people crying out for medical care, or support for their autistic children.

Could always go the alternate PC route. (PC being Casey :pac: )

Right after pontificating about people being on trolleys and the Irish health service being underfunded, he went on to explain how he kept his tax residency in the US so that he could pay 39% tax total. That included a 1% charge for US medicare on up to $110k income. He also said he does pay tax in Ireland because his employees in Ireland pay tax!

So surely if we all followed his lead and paid our tax to the US government, and into the US "healthcare system" then the HSE would be magically funded. Or something like that. I don't know how it works. But apparently it must.

I'm not making the above up. I posted a link to the podcast earlier. Can do it again if you don't believe me

sydthebeat · 28-10-2018 1:26pm

marvin80 wrote: »

A good piece on it:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election/kevin-doyle-peter-casey-is-no-donald-trump-the-real-reason-for-his-support-surge-is-deeper-37465396.html

Yep that's pretty much exactly on the money

Paddy Cow · 28-10-2018 1:36pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So was Donald Trump (the real one) and we all know how that turned out...

This is how things start - you get people outraged with a specific easy target race/ethnic group/group of people in order to distract people from the real issues so you can have power while the country gradually eats itself.

Ridiculous post. That's the type of edgy thinking I'd expect from a teenager without much real life experience.

I guarantee if you lived in rural Ireland and lived in fear from a minority, you'd consider it a real issue and wouldn't be considering said minority an easy target. It's a real issue for people who leave their kids in creche to go to work to pay huge taxes to support a minority who are 90% unemployed and turning down free forever homes because they also want stables.

People were already sick to the back teeth of being taken advantage of. Nobody needed to whip up any outrage. Someone simply said what no other politician or person in the media would say. What also won Casey a lot of support was his refusal to back down over what he said, which is very rare now. Most people bow down to social media pressure and spew apologies they don't mean.

SafeSurfer · 28-10-2018 1:39pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Could always go the alternate PC route. (PC being Casey :pac: )

Right after pontificating about people being on trolleys and the Irish health service being underfunded, he went on to explain how he kept his tax residency in the US so that he could pay 39% tax total. That included a 1% charge for US medicare on up to $110k income. He also said he does pay tax in Ireland because his employees in Ireland pay tax!

So surely if we all followed his lead and paid our tax to the US government, and into the US "healthcare system" then the HSE would be magically funded. Or something like that. I don't know how it works. But apparently it must.

I'm not making the above up. I posted a link to the podcast earlier. Can do it again if you don't believe me

You know there is more than one type of tax?

If you have an employee you pay PRSI, if you sell goods you pay VAT, if you own a car you pay motor tax, if you own a house you pay property tax.

So saying he pays tax in Ireland is correct.

blinding · 28-10-2018 1:44pm

Its quite obvious that our Irish Elite and Wealthy Areas are crying out for Traveller Halting Sites .

This desperate desire and need must be fed immediately .

During the Presidential Election and sense ya feel that desperate desire .

Donnybrook and Foxrock really will be big on this . They are bleeding crying out for their Halting Sites .

Don’t leave them is such desperate need !

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 1:47pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You know there is more than one type of tax?

If you have an employee you pay PRSI, if you sell goods you pay VAT, if you own a car you pay motor tax, if you own a house you pay property tax.

So saying he pays tax in Ireland is correct.

So then must the Travellers who he castigated for not paying tax? What you are arguing is that they actually do pay tax? That Peter was wrong to say they don't?

He said he pays tax because his employees pay tax.
Seeing as we are going full retard pedantic here - he doesn't pay his employees, his companies do. And the company then pays him. Unlike the normal employees, the bould Peter doesn't pay tax on his payout. But that's ok isn't it as long as the plebs do. :pac:

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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