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Missing Icelandic man

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  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    Something that’s puzzling me, in the last bit of cctv footage that shows the wooden fence where exactly is that? I thought it from was the entrance to Highfield hospital looking out onto swords road however looking at google maps it’s not. https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/cctv-footage-shows-last-movements-15886350.amp


  • Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭vapor trails


    Not to keep on going back to the €4,000 but the only way this could have been lost is in a cash game. The festival schedule can be found here:

    https://dublinpokerfestival.com/?page_id=39

    You can see from the guide that the most in tournament losses he could have had would €230 maybe + the €80 if timing allowed him to enter the turbo too. So the losses would have to have come in the side cash games. Now the cash games are untracked so the only way they could have got to the €4,000 is either from dealer/fellow player testimony or only by an admission by himself to his Girlfriend the next morning which the Gardai then took as fact.

    One key question I would be asking in this would be how was the €4,000 made up. Was it all cash he carried through with him or was it from bank cards. I have to assume it was all cash. Bank cards are very hard to withdraw from abroad with low maximum daily withdrawals and you never really want your financial institutions finding out about €4,000 weekend poker splurges. Let's say it was all cash. The most you can carry into the country without declaring it is €10,000 I think. Assuming he carried in the max before declaration so says €9,999 to last him for the 10 days. I am going to assume the guy didn't make a customs declaration on entry and wasn't carrying more than the €10,000 max. So In anyone's life blowing 40% of your stash 10% into your holiday before the girlfriend arrives is not within the parameters of normal losses.

    Going back to the cash games the highest blinds they would typically play in the Bonnington from my mild observations would be max €1/€2. Someone feel free to correct me on this because I don't play the cash games myself. The average amount you would buy into a cash game is around 100 x the big blind. Or in this instance is €200. In some case, you might go as high as 200 x the Big blind so let's say €400. Say Jon started off with around €4,000 to play in cash games. He would then have to completely lose the typical max buy-in of €400 nearly 10 times over in one night. I don't care who you are or how rich you are. To have a deck of cards run that bad against for a long while and to keep on buying in can only mean one thing. He crossed the threshold of misery. This is a concept in poker talked about by Mike Cairo where you've lost so much and you feel like luck is against to such a degree where you get to a point in time where any additional euro lost does not matter because you feel the maximum amount of pain you can feel while sitting at the table. Usually, the worst effects of this can come the morning after when it kind of dawns on you what happened the night before.

    I'd like even simply know did he go up and down from his room a few times to reload or did he bring the entire €4,000 down with him from the start. He must have been in and out of the room a few times reloading. No one anticipates losing that much before sitting down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Calltocall wrote: »
    Something that’s puzzling me, in the last bit of cctv footage that shows the wooden fence where exactly is that? I thought it from was the entrance to Highfield hospital looking out onto swords road however looking at google maps it’s not. https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/cctv-footage-shows-last-movements-15886350.amp
    Think it's the wooden fence just outside the Regency itself beside the centra, if it's the same bit of CCTV I'm thinking of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Calltocall wrote:
    Something that’s puzzling me, in the last bit of cctv footage that shows the wooden fence where exactly is that? I thought it from was the entrance to Highfield hospital looking out onto swords road however looking at google maps it’s not.

    I think it's a camera at the side of the hotel pointing towards Seven Oaks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Calltocall wrote: »
    Well I think it’s important because it’s either A. He walked out without saying a word which suggests he intended to go somewhere he didn’t want anyone else to know or B. He was in great form and just said I’m going for a ramble/shops I’ll be back in a few minutes which suggests a different state of mind and points to an accident or something more sinister. The tiniest details can be very important, the fact that the guards haven’t said where he said he was supposedly going suggests he didn’t say anything to his partner and just left.

    I agree all tiny details would be important to solve this case but that is not what they are asking from the public and amateur detectives. What they are asking is have you seen this person


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  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    nc6000 wrote: »
    I think it's a camera at the side of the hotel pointing towards Seven Oaks.

    Thanks I see it now, so purely looking at the footage it doesn’t actually show the man turning right or left onto swords road, the reports suggest he turned northbound on swords road past Highfield Hospital which suggests there would be further footage not released or a possible sighting. In terms of not being picked up on cctv at The Viscount Pub that’s not necessarily unusual as it’s the opposite side of road to Highfield so it may not pick up across the street, but the junction of collins ave is full of cameras, however I am unsure as to how long traffic cam footage is kept so possibly wiped. From looking at the area again and with the cigarette box found on grace park rd (if indeed it is his) it looks like he was walking the block which would seem like a normal thing to do if you just wanted to stretch the legs. Looking at it objectively he had to of A. taken transport out of the area very soon after this either in taxi or bus or B He was picked up in a private vehicle. If he kept on walking the chance of no other cameras or dashcams picking him up is highly unlikely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    From everything I’ve read here, some absolute scutter but also some helpful output,
    He must have jumped a taxi and jumped out in possibly howth or somewhere.
    It’s hard to imagine a happy ending now. Feel so sorry for the family.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Anything more on this?

    There's a few questions I have that I have not seen answered:

    How was his mood after the tournament? Did he have a falling out with the girlfriend? Did he know anyone else at the tournament and/or owe anyone there money? Have they searched the girlfriend's communications etc?

    I have seen it written that his phone was acting up. I wonder if they have confirmed that or not.

    It's a strange situation with very little info available. Suicide most likely in my view.

    In your opinion you don’t even know the timeline, so fu k your opinion


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    Civil Defense searched a 1k radius of area the man went missing today, nothing found so the family are now shifting their focus to leads the guards are following up from the crimecall appeal and hopeful they will get a break from them, fingers crossed


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,764 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    In your opinion you don’t even know the timeline, so fu k your opinion

    MOD


    Don't post in this thread again.


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    The independent link on the previous page has the CCTV footage that shows him leaving the Hotel, but nothing from Highfield Hospital. Any one know why? Is it possible they're not 100% it's actually him in the footage from the Hospital?

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    GLaDOS wrote: »
    The independent link on the previous page has the CCTV footage that shows him leaving the Hotel, but nothing from Highfield Hospital. Any one know why? Is it possible they're not 100% it's actually him in the footage from the Hospital?

    From my understanding there is no actual cctv footage of him outside the entrance of the hospital that has been released, it’s just been reported in the media so I can only assume it either means they have footage from hospital which they haven’t released to public or they have a verified sighting of him there.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    There are no cameras outside Highfield Hospital


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    The Independent states
    It is believed he made it to the gates of the nearby Highfield Healthcare facility, but after that there is no sign of him.

    I'm sure they have a decent reason to believe he went that way, but hypothetically if he went left towards Griffith Ave, then left again, it'd be a while before he'd hit anywhere with CCTV (Possibly the Pathologist's office on the corner of Swords Road/Griffith Avenue, but it may not pick him up on the opposite side of the road).

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    There are no cameras outside Highfield Hospital

    There is a cctv camera just inside the gate of Highfield Hospital which points out onto Swords Road


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    He was picked on CCTV at the entrance to Highfield Nursing home, which is immediately adjacent to the Bonnington Hotel. However, having been recorded by those cameras about 200m from his hotel, there are no further confirmed recordings or sightings of him. And while a number of people have called the Garda and reported that they have seen people matching the missing man’s description, none of these possible sightings has been confirmed.


    It looks like from the article that the cameras from the hotel have the range to the gates of the hospital.
    There may actually be a camera inside the gates on the security hut ( I think it's a security hut) but there are no cameras that I can see facing onto the road.


    After that point, the next thing you come to is bus stops, the Viscount opposite and then Collins Ave.


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    It looks like from the article that the cameras from the hotel have the range to the gates of the hospital.
    There may actually be a camera inside the gates on the security hut ( I think it's a security hut) but there are no cameras that I can see facing onto the road.


    After that point, the next thing you come to is bus stops, the Viscount opposite and then Collins Ave.

    You’ll see in the attached photo there is cctv pointing to entrance of hospital on swords rd he Probably was picked up passing that


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Continuing nightmare for his family and friends, we all hope for a positive outcome, the longer it goes on, the dimmer the hope gets.
    Hope they get closure soon, and its good news.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Calltocall wrote: »
    You’ll see in the attached photo there is cctv pointing to entrance of hospital on swords rd he Probably was picked up passing that


    Never seen that before! Cheers for that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Let’s hope if there is footage out there showing anyone suspicious following or interacting with the man they don’t wait ten years to release it.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16 anon41


    I reckon he walked around the block and back to the hotel or else got a taxi to a casino to win back some of the cash he lost the night before for the tournament.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    Well God help his poor family and girlfriend - the posters are still up all over the city & seafront & fairview. I wonder why they removed so many of the ones with the private gmail address & replaced them with Garda Confidential contact detail nummber only instead. Lets hope hedoes turn up safe & well in due course -with all the press & news if he is gone to ground and watching at least he will see how much they all care for him & would do anything to have him back. If not,God forbid, those 50 friends and family of his who flew over to search for him have really moved heaven and earth to try and help their friend.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭bluetractor


    I wonder why they removed so many of the ones with the private gmail address & replaced them with Garda Confidential contact detail nummber only instead. .

    read this thread. You have an awful lot of nutters who come up with the strangest comments. A garda can cut out that rubbish very quickly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    suicide?

    maybe he lost all his money in the poker tournament and chucked himself in the river or sea ??


  • Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭vapor trails


    https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/major-taxi-scam-uncovered-as-180-noneu-nationals-obtain-licences-despite-having-no-legal-status-in-ireland-37882999.html

    A lot of people saying he could have got a taxi but the taxi driver might not come forward due to their legal status. I imagine taxi drivers coming from the Clongriffin/Belmayne/Balbriggan area might make a fair portion of those illegals. The Bonnington obviously on that route. One of these guys could well have picked him up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,000 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I really hope this is not the case...

    But does anyone remember the girl who took a taxi from Sir John Rogerson's Quay to Howth a few years ago and was never seen again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Cushie Butterfield


    I really hope this is not the case...

    But does anyone remember the girl who took a taxi from Sir John Rogerson's Quay to Howth a few years ago and was never seen again.
    Yes, Blaithnaid Timothy. She was never found but was pronounced dead by the coroner a few years later, as there was ‘sufficient evidence’ that she had drowned. She had been researching suicide on her laptop. Poor girl.

    Hoping for a better outcome for this chap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,000 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Yes, Blaithnaid Timothy. She was never found but was pronounced dead by the coroner a few years later, as there was ‘sufficient evidence’ that she had drowned. She had been researching suicide on her laptop. Poor girl.

    Hoping for a better outcome for this chap.

    Yes, let's hope so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 693 ✭✭✭The Satanist


    A lot of people saying he could have got a taxi but the taxi driver might not come forward due to their legal status. I imagine taxi drivers coming from the Clongriffin/Belmayne/Balbriggan area might make a fair portion of those illegals. The Bonnington obviously on that route. One of these guys could well have picked him up.

    I would also imagine that a lot of foreign taxi drivers simply don't watch or read any local news, so may not be aware of this case.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 693 ✭✭✭The Satanist


    agsdi wrote: »
    A mate told me that he saw a man that he thought was identical to Jon on the seafront at Clontarf a few days after he went missing. Him and some people he was with walked past him and when they saw his picture later they went and reported it to Clontarf station. They haven't got back to him. Does that mean he was mistaken or what?
    Anyone with information is asked to contact Ballymun Garda Station on 01 6664400, the Garda Confidential Line on 1800 666 111, or any garda station.

    I'd give either of those numbers a shout, it could be crucial information


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Cushie Butterfield


    agsdi wrote: »
    He already reported it to Clontarf but they didn't get back to him.
    I doubt if they’d get back to him, assuming of course that he gave all the information he had to Clontarf. If so they’d have no reason to get back to him. It’s not as if they’d be updating him on their investigation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    agsdi wrote: »
    A mate told me that he saw a man that he thought was identical to Jon on the seafront at Clontarf a few days after he went missing. Him and some people he was with walked past him and when they saw his picture later they went and reported it to Clontarf station. They haven't got back to him. Does that mean he was mistaken or what?
    I don't know if they do get back to people who report such leads. Especially when it's a high profile missing person case - apparently police always receive masses of tips on such an occasion. No doubt it's being considered - he likely wasn't the only one who reported that sighting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭amor3


    I don't know if they do get back to people who report such leads. Especially when it's a high profile missing person case - apparently police always receive masses of tips on such an occasion. No doubt it's being considered - he likely wasn't the only one who reported that sighting.

    Yes, reported a sighting of a missing girl a few years ago, no one got back in touch with me for any more details. Thankfully it was a good outcome in that situation. Hopefully the same can be said of this case but looking most unlikely as each day passes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Calltocall wrote:
    Interesting, wasn’t aware he was familiar with Ireland

    Virgin Media just had a piece on their News at 5.30 bulletin and said it was his first time in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    nc6000 wrote: »
    Virgin Media just had a piece on their News at 5.30 bulletin and said it was his first time in Ireland.

    Saw that report, his mother Hanna was interviewed and is lost for words at how he vanished in such a busy part of the road


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Yes, Blaithnaid Timothy. She was never found but was pronounced dead by the coroner a few years later, as there was ‘sufficient evidence’ that she had drowned. She had been researching suicide on her laptop. Poor girl.

    Hoping for a better outcome for this chap.

    It is a tragic situation re the Icelandic man. It is quite regular now for people to go missing, some unfortunately take their own life but you would be surprised at the number who go to England etc and just cut all links with families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There were some more photos on virgin tv news and interview with his mum.

    He looks very different in the cctv and colour photos to the black and white picture that is lampposted... I would not recognise him from the black and white v cctv.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    No more news on this?

    Nothing, it’s gone cold, so bizarre, there were a few reports on this thread of possibly the man being spotted out by clontarf, I don’t know if that was definite but nothing since then, It doesn’t look good, almost two months missing, bizarre to vanish from such a busy area


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Reminds me of the Trevor Deely case, so bizarre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    *bump*
    Another appeal just aired on Virgin Media news today. They said it was Jonsson's first visit to Ireland & that DNA samples have been taken from family members - I presume in order to identify any bodies discovered say washed up on beach.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Olibh


    May 2019 Update

    Icelandic man Jon Jonsson is still missing since leaving the Bonnington Hotel, Dublin Ireland at 11.05a.m on Saturday Feb 9th 2019.


    His family have a Facebook page:
    Jon Jonsson missing in Dublin.

    The family have also set up a website. See Facebook page for address.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,328 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Just looked it up, this is the Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/jonjonssonmissing/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    This story struck me as really strange, that area in general is quite safe how did he just go missing :confused::confused:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fresh-appeal-issued-for-icelandic-man-missing-in-dublin-1.3803655


    Yeah ..i had played a tournament of poker in the same hotel just a few months prior.

    Apparently he had lost of money just before he went missing.


    I don't know about safe, there was a shooting there in that same hotel not too long ago. But it was called The Regency back then and they changed the name but its the same hotel.

    Its a LOVELY hotel by the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    There are no tournaments held in Ireland that have a 5k buy not for years and even when they were they were rare

    Also the indo havent a fecking clue how much money he may have lost the night before the only person who would know is him, absolute piece of trash click bait


    You are correct not since the EPT stopped making regular stops here.

    HOWEVER..

    There are cash games tho :rolleyes: and there are usually cash games at every tournament they are often the main attraction.

    I hope he is ok.

    I doubt its to do with poker and more the state of his own mental health.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Gone over 3 months now.

    I fear his poor family will never get an answer. I would say it is almost certain that he took his own life. No sightings, nothing in 3 months. If he was still alive and out and about then someone would have spotted him. If he does not have close friends here who he is able to live a reclusive life with then he is dead - that would be a completely bizarre and unlikely thing to do as well.

    Most likely he is gone in to the sea. :(

    Suicide just seems so prevalent nowadays especially in men. I know some many who are gone.

    I don't know if it was always this way or we just are more open about it now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Olibh


    Yes, it is very tragic that so many are gone through suicide and mostly men as you said.

    It is still baffling that Jon Jonsson wasn't seen leaving the area after leaving the Bonnington Hotel.

    An Irishman who went missing in Malaysia quite recently turned up after 2 months.

    I know of someone who went missing from Dublin many years ago. He was found by his brother, wandering on a street in London. He had had a temporary break down.

    The family of Jon Jonsson are still searching for Jon. I can understand that completely. Someone must know something. My heart goes out to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    It's nearly 5 months now, and no update.
    His family are in Crime call tonight to make a fresh appeal.

    Bizarre nothing new has come to light.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Boxing.Fan


    Appeal for information on crimecall with CCTV.

    Very strange case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Dead in the sea most likely. Probably went off at a spot with no camera. You would be surprised about how little people give a fcuk about what is going on around them. People don't give a fcuk sadly.

    I think that’s a bit unfair to be honest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    I'd say due to the fact he lost money at the poker tournament he either commited suicide or owed money to the wrong people


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