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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    So are the banks even giving mortgage offers at the moment or are they going to freeze everything


    If we really are 3 weeks behind Italy with the virus, things are going to change a lot over here. Yes banks will pull the plug on new mortgages as they will be asked to extend support to a lot of businesses for the near future


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭randoplh134


    road_high wrote: »
    If it were me I'd let them at it. Chances are you may get a better house for less money going forward. They'll probably come back biting your hand off in a few days.

    Exactly this and never trust an EA, especially in times like these, they will try get as much as possible before the inevitable crash.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭randoplh134


    Exactly.

    We bought just under 2 years ago knowing that there was a chance of a recession a few years down the line, but there's never a right time. If the economy tanks then it'll be very hard to get a mortgage even if the prices are 50% of what they are now, and the rates won't be great on them. Negative equity only counts if you're hoping to sell and move on in the next decade, otherwise its just a number.

    The financially prudent have always got mortgage approval, even in the depths of a financial crisis.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭randoplh134


    I'm not selling a property right now but a buddy of mine viewed a property 8 days ago and the EA has contacted him today to confirm his bid was accepted.

    Asking price was 475k, bid was 425k. There is desperation in the air already from some sellers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭randoplh134


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    If we really are 3 weeks behind Italy with the virus, things are going to change a lot over here. Yes banks will pull the plug on new mortgages as they will be asked to extend support to a lot of businesses for the near future

    Not true, they will still approve mortgages but at a reduced volume.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    I'm not selling a property right now but a buddy of mine viewed a property 8 days ago and the EA has contacted him today to confirm his bid was accepted.

    Asking price was 475k, bid was 425k. There is desperation in the air already from some sellers.

    I'd ring him back and offer 350


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Tbh I'd say they'd just go with the other offer and go sale agreed.

    That’s making two assumptions- the offer is actually bona fide and that the buyers will actually come up with the cash. Which in the current climate there is a distinct possibility that they won’t. This has very quickly become a buyers markets so don’t panic at all and hang tight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I'm not selling a property right now but a buddy of mine viewed a property 8 days ago and the EA has contacted him today to confirm his bid was accepted.

    Asking price was 475k, bid was 425k. There is desperation in the air already from some sellers.

    Very telling alright- a bird in the hand though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I'd ring him back and offer 350

    Yes I think I’d withdraw the bid and either offer lower or walk away. These people aren’t there to be your friends and it’s business


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭randoplh134


    road_high wrote: »
    Yes I think I’d withdraw the bid and either offer lower or walk away. These people aren’t there to be your friends and it’s business

    Agreed, encountered so many smug EAs during 2017-2019 that had a very short memory, i don't take delight in their misfortunes to come but you're completely right this is business after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Joolz30


    Went sale agreed in a 4 bed south Dublin.
    Were looking for 2 months. Booking deposit paid, survey and valuation done contracts being sent out in next few days/weeks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    I'm not selling a property right now but a buddy of mine viewed a property 8 days ago and the EA has contacted him today to confirm his bid was accepted.

    Asking price was 475k, bid was 425k. There is desperation in the air already from some sellers.

    Forget the Corona Virus, can you not see the Dow Jones peaking earlier this year? The only way is down mate. Leave it alone and the price will have dropped a third before christmas!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    Forget the Corona Virus, can you not see the Dow Jones peaking earlier this year? The only way is down mate. Leave it alone and the price will have dropped a third before christmas!!


    agree, if your in a good stable job wait a couple of months and see what happens dont get caught out like the people in 2006 and 2007


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    agree, if your in a good stable job wait a couple of months and see what happens dont get caught out like the people in 2006 and 2007

    There’s no rush- I think there will be a glut of properties soon enough with few buyers. Anyone buying now I’d sit out out a while and not be rushed into anything- they’re certainly not going to shoot up in price, that’s for sure


  • Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭MarkJD


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Has anyone signed contracts and have 10% over with solicitors?

    Yes we only did this last week. We have been waiting for an update from the Seller that they have also signed to agree to the closing date (24th April) but the 10% is gone over and everything was signed.

    Reading people pulling out of Sales Agreed has me very worried now but in the same mind someone mentioned they need somewhere to live and its cheaper than their rent! Pretty much the same boat as myself!

    Any reason you where wondering or you think its mad to proceed?


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    MarkJD wrote: »
    Yes we only did this last week. We have been waiting for an update from the Seller that they have also signed to agree to the closing date (24th April) but the 10% is gone over and everything was signed.

    Reading people pulling out of Sales Agreed has me very worried now but in the same mind someone mentioned they need somewhere to live and its cheaper than their rent! Pretty much the same boat as myself!

    Any reason you where wondering or you think its mad to proceed?

    I just want to know what options are available to us.

    Can anyone answer this please?

    What is the actually process for EVERYTHING being signed. We signed the papers and we know the vendors have also signed. Now, do we have to sign something again before we can say that EVERYTHING is signed (and deposits are not returnable).


  • Administrators Posts: 54,102 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    I just want to know what options are available to us.

    Can anyone answer this please?

    What is the actually process for EVERYTHING being signed. We signed the papers and we know the vendors have also signed. Now, do we have to sign something again before we can say that EVERYTHING is signed (and deposits are not returnable).

    If you've signed contracts with your solicitor then you've bought. Backing out now means forfeiting deposit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    agree, if your in a good stable job wait a couple of months and see what happens dont get caught out like the people in 2006 and 2007

    Remember all those who bought 2009 when the arse had completely fallen out of the market?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    awec wrote: »
    If you've signed contracts with your solicitor then you've bought. Backing out now means forfeiting deposit.

    Thanks but my question is we were told by EA that we have a final piece to sign at our solicitors and to go in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Remember all those who bought 2009 when the arse had completely fallen out of the market?

    What?

    Is your point that prices were lower again in 2011/2012?


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Thanks but my question is we were told by EA that we have a final piece to sign at our solicitors and to go in?

    Might be some anciliary document e.g. signing a management company agreement, signing a family home declaration etc. There are a few things to be signed.

    But the main one is the contract for sale. Once that is signed and deposit paid the sale is binding.

    While Im not giving legal advice, Id sound a note of caution re this idea that theres a point where deposits are no longer refundable. If a binding contract is in place, then the consequences of backing out arent limited to just forfeiting the deposit!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Might be some anciliary document e.g. signing a management company agreement, signing a family home declaration etc. There are a few things to be signed.

    But the main one is the contract for sale. Once that is signed and deposit paid the sale is binding.

    While Im not giving legal advice, Id sound a note of caution re this idea that theres a point where deposits are no longer refundable. If a binding contract is in place, then the consequences of backing out arent limited to just forfeiting the deposit!

    Can you be clear on other “consequences?”


  • Administrators Posts: 54,102 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Thanks but my question is we were told by EA that we have a final piece to sign at our solicitors and to go in?

    The contract is a single document, not a collection of documents. You'd have recognised it when signing, it would have been many pages, solicitor likely went through it with you and pointed out some things.

    If you've transferred your deposit to your solicitor, then you've likely signed the contract.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    We've been told that we are only legally bound to the contracts once the vendors also sign.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    To be honest, this is our house we plan on staying in so I’m not concerned about the value of the house dropping. I’m concerned about the bank pulling something and we cannot buy it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    To be honest, this is our house we plan on staying in so I’m not concerned about the value of the house dropping. I’m concerned about the bank pulling something and we cannot buy it.

    We're the same. Our broker has said that they bank are committed to the current loan offer. And he said he would think the bank will issue an extension of our current offer if it expires, which it is due to in a few weeks time. Now I wouldn't be as confident on an extension being granted. But time will tell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭nutjobb


    Sale agreed since September on a second hand property but had to go through retention planning process. The notification to grand was issued last week but final grant takes another month after that, problem is our mortgage offer will be expired by that time.

    Fears over banks shutting, rejecting new applications we asked our solicitor to draw down on our behalf yesterday so in theory all we need to is wait for grant. A bit of a risk but well warranted I think.

    I am not worried about prices falling in our particular case as we purchased modestly as we are in a rural location. If we were at the top end of budget I would be reconsidering. However if you need some place to live and your caught with extreme rent I would still proceed, as I dont see too many other options for people.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,102 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    scarepanda wrote: »
    We've been told that we are only legally bound to the contracts once the vendors also sign.

    This is correct. :)


  • Administrators Posts: 54,102 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    To be honest, this is our house we plan on staying in so I’m not concerned about the value of the house dropping. I’m concerned about the bank pulling something and we cannot buy it.

    How far are you off completion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭davedub2015


    Sale agreed since feb got a survey done and wasnt happy with some things so chanced our arm and got 2% off if we dont come back looking for more. Nothing signed but not sure if we should ask for more of or just keep moving? They have been delaying on there end so it will be a while before anything happens now


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    awec wrote: »
    How far are you off completion?

    Contract signed by both parties, our solicitor apparently has contracts but hasn’t responded to us since Monday last week.

    Deposits sent over to our solicitor.

    The contract stated that closing date is 2 weeks after contracts signed. That was 2 weeks ago.

    If he doesn’t answer calls tomorrow I’m going to start panicking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 Elemeno


    How long during the last recession did it take before house prices started to fall?

    I'm sale agreed on a house to buy, but now seriously considering pulling out of the sale incase property prices fall due to this coronavirus. I'm a cash buyer as I've already sold and completed the sale on my old apartment which I'd paid off so I'm in temporary accommodation which isn't ideal. The house I'm supposed to be buying isn't a long term house, I would have been hoping to sell in a couple of years when I can get a mortgage to buy a bigger property. If prices are likely to fall in the next 6 months then I'll hold out to buy but as I'm in temporary accommodation I can't wait forever. Finding a long term rental appears to be difficult as I have a disabled child and a dog.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭sanjose1


    I took out 120k from my private pension 6 weeks back to purchase an apartment under the PRSA scheme. I have paid 5k deposit, still awaiting offer letter for the balance for mortgage, 60k odd. Obviously relieved to have got out of the markets but can I still pull out of the sale ? My pension balance all with wealthoptions who are operating the P.R.S.A scheme


  • Registered Users Posts: 30 Badger242


    We are in the process of buying a new build house but with the current coronavirus outbreak we are considering whether it's wise to continue. When we met our solicitor we signed the contracts. I was under impression that he would hold them and only send to vendor once everything was ready to go. We are still waiting for a BER cert, home bond cert and have yet to snag the property.

    The problem is that our solicitor has already sent the contract to the vendor. They have yet to return signed copies.

    Is it too late for us to pull out of sale? If we do will there be financial consequences?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭wyndham


    Badger242 wrote: »
    We are in the process of buying a new build house but with the current coronavirus outbreak we are considering whether it's wise to continue. When we met our solicitor we signed the contracts. I was under impression that he would hold them and only send to vendor once everything was ready to go. We are still waiting for a BER cert, home bond cert and have yet to snag the property.

    The problem is that our solicitor has already sent the contract to the vendor. They have yet to return signed copies.

    Is it too late for us to pull out of sale? If we do will there be financial consequences?

    What did your solicitor say?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Once you sign the contract, you are agreeing to the terms offered in that contract. At the least, you should expect to loose your deposit, the vendor can sue to make you complete.

    Did your solicitor have a clause inserted that it was subject to finance from bank?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 afloat44


    Long-time lurker, first time poster.

    We went sale agreed on our "forever family home" in the countryside in October. There were planning issues which were resolved by January, and we exchanged contracts last week, closing date SHOULD be next Friday. The final paperwork to draw down the mortgage is with the bank now and I'm bricking it.

    While house prices will fall, I have a secure public sector job, even though we are on one income, and we're buying for 20 years hopefully. Also, virtually no houses like this have come up in the place we want to buy - planning is very restricted - so I'm happy to go ahead with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    It has no bearing on what will happen next this is way more than a recession. People may want to live differently going forward. Certain jobs will be gone forever as a result.

    Nobody knows what will happen and speculation won't really help. Discussing it is no problem but remember nobody knows.


  • Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭Luluk


    I am a FTB. Paid booking deposit to my solicitor a few weeks ago and signed contracts on a new build house (off plans). Waiting for seller to return signed contracts so I can claim HTB. My HTB expires on March 31st. I'm really worried as my house wasn't due for completion until September 2020, and that was before the virus hit. If the valuation comes in low, as I'm sure it will by the times it's built, my mortgage may be refused. I don't know what to do. The house sale is subject to mortgage approval, but guessing I would lose my HTB at the very least.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 30 Badger242


    We haven't discussed this with solicitor yet. It' only in the last couple of days that we have considered withdrawing. I will have to try and make contact with him tomorrow to discuss (he can be tough to get hold of).

    There is no clause in the contract regarding subject to finance from bank. The contract has the following clause in the contract that may cover us

    'No Contract for Sale shall be deemed to be in existence between the Vendor and the Purchaser until such time that the Contract for Sale has been executed by both the Purchaser and the Vendor, exchanged and the full deposit (10% of the Purchase Price) has been paid by the Purchaser and accepted by the Vendor'

    By my understanding we can still pull out as the deposit hasn't been paid. Anyone know if this is the case?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,465 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Would you not have paid 10 percent on signing the contract?
    If you have not paid and want to back out, dont pay and see where it goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    Withdraw by any means necessary.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Millionaire only not


    ‘It’s fair acting the bolix pulling out at ths stage !
    The seller may have another house bought on the strength of u buying there house !
    Stand up and man up either u could afford it or u couldn’t ! Stop the nonsense what , if !
    U signed a contract ! It will hold up and makes no sense 10% wasn’t paid !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭hurler32


    Be bad form at this stage to pull out but this Coronavirus is gong to do serious damage to world economies including our own . Property prices could well plummet in the coming months


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Op, you can take for granted the vendor has signed at this stage, once your solicitor raises a query about this, a signed copy will be produced.

    Only your solicitor can give you informed advice about this.


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  • Administrators Posts: 54,102 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    It has no bearing on what will happen next this is way more than a recession. People may want to live differently going forward. Certain jobs will be gone forever as a result.

    Nobody knows what will happen and speculation won't really help. Discussing it is no problem but remember nobody knows.

    Good advice.

    Remember that even though some on here portray themselves are being experts or "educated" in the matter, they know nothing. It is entirely speculation from everyone.

    Go with your own gut, do you own research, don't base your decisions off random people on here.

    Personally, my own 2cents, is I wouldn't buy anything that I didn't see as a long term home. Once you start buying for the short term, then you need to start caring about things like negative equity and the property maintaining value in the short term.

    On the other hand, I can see your concern about being stuck renting long term when you have a family.

    Good luck in your decision!


  • Registered Users Posts: 30 Badger242


    I understand it is bad form to be thinking about pulling out at this stage but my job suddenly seems a lot less secure than it did a couple a weeks back.
    We are buying a new build in an estate from a very large property development company. Its not ideal for them but im sure they will be able to sell to another buyer.

    I suppose we are weighing up all our options at this stage. Pulling out may not be an option if we would lose deposit. Difficult to know what the correct decision is. Next step is to have a chat with our solicitor for clarifaction on contract.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Pull out and don't give over money. Vendor can threaten specific performance but it will be an empty threat. I never once read a specific performance case here from the last recession and lots of people pulled out from buying new builds they signed to buy off plans in the good times before they went bad. Its not worth anyone's time to spend money going through the courts to get someone to complete a contract that you don't even know if their still in the position to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Dolbhad


    Badger242 wrote: »
    I understand it is bad form to be thinking about pulling out at this stage but my job suddenly seems a lot less secure than it did a couple a weeks back.
    We are buying a new build in an estate from a very large property development company. Its not ideal for them but im sure they will be able to sell to another buyer.

    I suppose we are weighing up all our options at this stage. Pulling out may not be an option if we would lose deposit. Difficult to know what the correct decision is. Next step is to have a chat with our solicitor for clarifaction on contract.

    To be honest I haven’t heard of a case of specific performance being successful to force you buy the house. Contact your solicitor and check if a subject to loan clause is in. Usually that states if you can’t get a mortgage you get out of the contract and deposit back. Least if you lose your job or on reduced hours, you can get out of it.

    Otherwise if you change your mind your at risk of losing the deposit. Under the contract they can take that so depends on the builder. However they may finder it harder to sell right at this moment.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    Pull out and don't give over money. Vendor can threaten specific performance but it will be an empty threat. I never once read a specific performance case here from the last recession and lots of people pulled out from buying new builds they signed to buy off plans in the good times before they went bad. Its not worth anyone's time to spend money going through the courts to get someone to complete a contract that you don't even know if their still in the position to do.

    Unfortunately this is what happens when you put a question up online, you always tend to get ill informed replies. The op will have to take the advice of their own solicitor on this, it would be unwise to do anything without first hearing that advice. Saying it is an empty threat is naive, disputes like this probably don’t reach the court room often because a contract dispute of this type is hard to dispute, defending it may be throwing good money after bad. Forcing. though a purchase is highly unlikely, but at the very least, the buyer could expect to lose their deposit.

    Op, talk to your solicitor, that is the only advice you need.


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