Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

1…6791112…199

Comments

  • #402
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,700 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Ah, the democrats’ misleading coronavirus talking points claims. Got to love the laziness of some of our posters and their ‘likers.’ Never let a crisis go to waste, eh?

    Yes, John Bolton (not Trump) did indeed eliminate a key position that would have been involved in pandemic response.

    Now you can correctly claim that Trump’s budget proposals have called for reduced funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but Congress hasn’t enacted those cuts. In fact the CDC’s operating budgets has actually gone up in 2020 over 2019 under the president.

    So, read the truth for yourself (and it comes from a source considered to be liberal/left and not a friend of Trump)...

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

    Trump's team oversaw the the dismantling of the CDC.
    As the sign on Truman's desk said 'The Buck Stops Here'.
    Cop on


  • #403
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

    Trump's team oversaw the the dismantling of the CDC.
    As the sign on Truman's desk said 'The Buck Stops Here'.
    Cop on
    Trump's team dismantled the CDC??????? Dear gawd, when did this happen? :eek:

    And here I thought the CDC was operating with an even bigger budget than in 2019, and that's before all the additional funding being brought in because of COVID-19.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #404
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,700 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Trump's COVID19 timeline
    Jan. 22: "It's going to be just fine. We have it totally under control."

    Jan. 24: "It will all work out well."

    Jan. 30: "We think we have it very well under control."

    Feb. 7: "… as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone."

    Feb. 10: "I think the virus is going to be -- it's going to be fine."

    Feb. 14: "... we’re in very good shape."

    Feb. 19: "I think it's going to work out fine."

    Feb. 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA."

    Feb. 25: "You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it ..."

    Feb. 26: "Because of all we've done, the risk to the American people remains very low."

    Feb. 28: "I think it's really going well."

    Feb. 28: "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear."

    Feb. 28: "This is their new hoax."

    March 4: "Some people will have this at a very light level and won't even go to a doctor or hospital, and they'll get better."

    March 10: "... it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

    March 11: "I think we're going to get through it very well."

    March 12: "It's going to go away. ... The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with
    China, we have 32 deaths at this point..."

    March 15: "This is a very contagious virus. It's incredible. But it's something that we have tremendous control over."

    March 16: "If you're talking about the virus, no, that's not under control for any place in the world."

    March 17: "I've always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic … I've felt that it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."


  • #405
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's one of the reasons Biden is either favorite or evens in the Bookies.


  • #406
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,700 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Boggles wrote: »
    It's one of the reasons Biden is either favorite or evens in the Bookies.

    He's gone from 7/4 to evens in a day or so


  • #407
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,877 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Trump just signed himself in as a War Time president and has taken over the private sector.

    The dictatorship has fully started how long before postpones all elections.


    Trump signs bill to take control of private sector
    Donald Trump, the United States president, has announced that he will invoke a federal provision that allows the government to marshal the private sector in response to the coronavirus pandemic, the Associated Press reports.

    Trump, now describing himself as a wartime president, said he would sign the Defense Production Act “in case we need it” as the government bolsters resources for an expected surge in cases of the virus.

    The Defense Production Act gives the president powers to direct domestic industrial production to provide essential materials and goods needed in a national security crisis.

    It allows the president to require businesses and corporations to prioritise and accept contracts for required materials and services. It also allows the president to provide incentives for the domestic industrial base to expand the production and supply of critical materials and goods, according to a March 2 report by the Congressional Research Service.

    Trump also said he will expand the nation’s testing capacity and deploy a Navy hospital ship to New York City, which is rapidly becoming the centre of a pandemic that has rattled the U.S. economy and rewritten the rules of American society.

    A second ship will be deployed to the West Coast.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/18/coronavirus-live-news-updates-outbreak-us-states-uk-australia-europe-eu-self-isolation-lockdown-latest-update


  • #408
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    It's too little too late I'm afraid. The US's fate is pretty much sealed now. They've had rampant community transmission for weeks now so all they can do at this point is wait for people to start getting sick and hope they can cope as much as possible. All the military resources should help somewhat but it's still going to be the worst humanitarian disaster ever seen in the country. Trump is done and he knows it, he can call the virus whatever he likes there's no twisting or talking this one away.


  • #409
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Will the election go ahead?


  • #410
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    MadYaker wrote: »
    It's too little too late I'm afraid. The US's fate is pretty much sealed now. They've had rampant community transmission for weeks now so all they can do at this point is wait for people to start getting sick and hope they can cope as much as possible. All the military resources should help somewhat but it's still going to be the worst humanitarian disaster ever seen in the country. Trump is done and he knows it, he can call the virus whatever he likes there's no twisting or talking this one away.

    Trump still the favorite with the bookies. Good money to be made if you think he won't get in.


  • #411
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    6 wrote: »
    Trump still the favorite with the bookies. Good money to be made if you think he won't get in.

    Democrats are now favourites actually

    5/6 to 10/11
    branie2 wrote: »
    Will the election go ahead?

    Election took place in November 1944 so I would say yes


  • Advertisement
  • #412
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,700 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    6 wrote: »
    Trump still the favorite with the bookies. Good money to be made if you think he won't get in.

    What bookies is giving you those odds? Care to send us the link? Even pp has them both evens


  • #413
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Democrats are now favourites actually

    5/6 to 10/11


    Election took place in November 1944 so I would say yes
    duploelabs wrote: »
    What bookies is giving you those odds? Care to send us the link? Even pp has them both evens


    Trump 2.16
    Biden 2.20

    Betfair


  • #414
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,700 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    6 wrote: »
    Trump 2.16
    Biden 2.20

    Betfair

    Betfair are evens each currently.


  • #415
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Betfair are evens each currently.

    The exchange is currently what I posted above.


  • #416
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Trump would still be slightly ahead because Dem race is still between 3.

    Once its just Biden vs Trump head to head Biden will be clear favourite based on Biden’s momentum. Fact that Paddy Power have the Democratic candidate favourite to win right now suggests that.


  • #417
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    branie2 wrote: »
    Will the election go ahead?

    At the moment I don't see why not but it's a long way to November. There could be real instability over there.


  • #418
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I don't think Biden has a hope. Not least because there's noting about him. Hillary was much more impressive than Biden and she had the possible first female president thing going on with her, which turned out to be not enough of an edge.

    The Dems need a wow candidate like Obama and Biden falls far far short of that.

    And and this virus outbreak is taking all attention away from the Dem election and is likely to do so for some time. I bet Biden is absolutely cursing the timing of it. It's not helping him that's for sure.

    Frankly, Biden looks like a career politician. If Obama didn't appoint him vice he prolly never would have ran. At least Sanders looks invigorated but Biden just looks like some old fogey who is chancing his arm at the presidency. As I said, there's noting about him and I can't see the US electorate going for him over Trump.


  • #419
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I don't think Biden has a hope. Not least because there's noting about him. Hillary was much more impressive than Biden and she had the possible first female president thing going on with her, which turned out to be not enough of an edge.

    The Dems need a wow candidate like Obama and Biden falls far far short of that.

    And and this virus outbreak is taking all attention away from the Dem election and is likely to do so for some time. I bet Biden is absolutely cursing the timing of it. It's not helping him that's for sure.

    Frankly, Biden looks like a career politician. If Obama didn't appoint him vice he prolly never would have ran. At least Sanders looks invigorated but Biden just looks like some old fogey who is chancing his arm at the presidency. As I said, there's noting about him and I can't see the US electorate going for him over Trump.

    And you dont think Trump/Republicans aren't?


  • #420
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,700 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I don't think Biden has a hope.
    In what? The democratic nomination? Looks like he's got that in the bag. In the presidential election? The polls are saying he's a shoo in, some by even more than 10 points


  • Advertisement
  • #421
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    A recession will definitely be a massive negative for Trump and I can't see how will avoid one. This virus will cripple them.


  • #422
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    And you dont think Trump/Republicans aren't?

    Aren't what? Trump a career politician? Trump is the most un-career politician we've even seen!


  • #423
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    duploelabs wrote: »
    In what? The democratic nomination? Looks like he's got that in the bag. In the presidential election? The polls are saying he's a shoo in, some by even more than 10 points

    No, not the nomination, the presidency. Obviously he has the nomination in the bag. This was my comment on it before the first super Tuesday when Sanders was in front. Before the turn around.


  • #424
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    6 wrote: »
    A recession will definitely be a massive negative for Trump and I can't see how will avoid one. This virus will cripple them.

    Ordinarily a rescission would but this is different. It's caused by an act of God i.e nothing to do with Trump's economic policies which were going well. I doubt Trump's supporters would blame him for it and I don't see how anything Biden could do would make any difference.


  • #425
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Ordinarily a rescission would but this is different. It's caused by an act of God i.e nothing to do with Trump's economic policies which were going well. I doubt Trump's supporters would blame him for it and I don't see how anything Biden could do would make any difference.

    The impending humanitarian crisis due to Coronavirus will finish him politically.


  • #426
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Ordinarily a rescission would but this is different. It's caused by an act of God i.e nothing to do with Trump's economic policies which were going well. I doubt Trump's supporters would blame him for it and I don't see how anything Biden could do would make any difference.

    its not trumps fault obviously but he,s the sitting president and will loose as a consequence regardless

    that and he proudly boasted of the stock market performance under his presidency , he.s toast alone for that


  • Advertisement
  • #427
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,700 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Ordinarily a rescission would but this is different. It's caused by an act of God i.e nothing to do with Trump's economic policies which were going well. I doubt Trump's supporters would blame him for it and I don't see how anything Biden could do would make any difference.

    A proper president wouldn't have such a discoloration of their message as the timeline I posted above


  • #428
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    If election took place today Biden would win Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Maine 2nd as well as everything Clinton won in 2016. That's how strong his momentum is right now. Its 323 to 215 in electoral college vote for those wondering.

    Of course election doesn't take place today


  • #429
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    To the above posts, you're living in fantasy land. Just like you were when you though he wouldn't win in the first place.

    Consider the amount of personal criticism he got before his first win, and he still won.

    Nothing that has happened since was worse than that.

    You can keep quoting the odds all you like but that's just because the bookies know you will loose your money.


  • #430
    Austria!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Austria!


    AllForIt wrote: »

    You can keep quoting the odds all you like but that's just because the bookies know you will loose your money.


    BOOKIES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOODNIGHT


  • #431
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    AllForIt wrote: »
    To the above posts, you're living in fantasy land. Just like you were when you though he wouldn't win in the first place.

    Consider the amount of personal criticism he got before his first win, and he still won.

    Nothing that has happened since was worse than that.

    You can keep quoting the odds all you like but that's just because the bookies know you will loose your money.

    Huh? You can bet on Trump at excellent odds too


  • Advertisement
  • #432
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,039 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "The Trump Coronation..."

    90507933_10219619554453735_8268369784958091264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_eui2=AeFsdT8TWLrgwjrbpBQAWXB6x3Z9-0vXa1R7x3liTdgAr0yED7mIEpG59NGuEaGFs4hAf0kbL1P_QMzNEFACjL0WSlRrcT00892LiEQNoBro-Q&_nc_oc=AQlwFIqreenQDdkRKFjgWiBRLSV6s1OoRyWAoGIdKTXPN0W3xnkQCMbIwy7UsBJtcBn5nHJu979QzDN1iwHSUkbT&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=703b91a10ea1679a69b914c9f56b219d&oe=5E9A688B

    'but Overheal it's not fair to link Trump to the st-'

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1238855011657973760?s=20


  • #433
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,700 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    AllForIt wrote: »
    To the above posts, you're living in fantasy land. Just like you were when you though he wouldn't win in the first place.

    Consider the amount of personal criticism he got before his first win, and he still won.

    Nothing that has happened since was worse than that.

    You can keep quoting the odds all you like but that's just because the bookies know you will loose your money.

    So when you're out of talking points, shouting 'YOU'RE ALL WRONG' whilst covering your ears to our posts is your defence.

    Good tactic


  • #434
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    AllForIt wrote: »
    To the above posts, you're living in fantasy land. Just like you were when you though he wouldn't win in the first place.

    Consider the amount of personal criticism he got before his first win, and he still won.

    Nothing that has happened since was worse than that.

    You can keep quoting the odds all you like but that's just because the bookies know you will loose your money.

    Actually in the run up to 2016 his media coverage was mostly positive while his opponent Clinton got mostly negative

    figure-7.gif?resize=700%2C362

    https://shorensteincenter.org/pre-primary-news-coverage-2016-trump-clinton-sanders/

    The only negative press coverage Trump really got that people remembered was the Hollywood access tape and that was reported more in jest by the media. A day later it was wall to wall Clinton's emails again.

    Trump won last election because Republican party, right wing media and the corporate media made Hillary Clinton more unpopular than Trump. They did this through a variety of ways but by the end many hardcore Democratic voters viewed Clinton as a monster on her deathbed.

    The fact an A+ rated charity in Clinton Foundation got MORE bad press than Trumps Foundation which had been shut down and sued multiple times says it all really.


  • #435
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,039 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Keep your eye on the revisionism in full swing

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1240640020714848257?s=20


  • #436
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Ludwig Wittgenstein


    AllForIt wrote: »
    To the above posts, you're living in fantasy land. Just like you were when you though he wouldn't win in the first place.

    Consider the amount of personal criticism he got before his first win, and he still won.

    Nothing that has happened since was worse than that.

    You can keep quoting the odds all you like but that's just because the bookies know you will loose your money.


    In fairness, the parameters have shifted massively since the 2016 election. Trump was seen as the dynamic, anti-establishment, tells-it-as-it-is figure, going up against one of the stalest, least exciting, easy target, establishment (and lets not forget, female) Democrats that he could have asked for. It was the perfect storm. It's widely thought that him being an underdog actually worked in his favour in that election.

    Now he's had four years of a presidency which achieved little besides economic success, which has now been wiped out. He's walked away from the Paris Climate Agreement, Obama's Nuclear Deal with Iran, his early successes with North Korea seem to have evaporated, and now he has to deal with the greatest issue America has faced since World War Two. The same issue he had been all but ignoring up to the last fortnight or so. He has been quoted as not wanting a cruise ship with people affected by COVID10 to dock, not because of the threat to American life, but because the figures might negatively affect him. His attempts to portray the virus as "Chinese" or to put the blame on Europe doesn't seem to be falling on very receptive ears - and even if it does, once this thing starts to hit hard it's doubtful this will even matter.

    On top of all this, the November election was always going to be heavily fought on healthcare grounds. This virus has highlighted the importance of access to healthcare for everyone, when it comes to contagious disease one of the most effective ways of looking after your own health is by having everyone else's also looked after. I still don't think Sanders' plan for free healthcare for all would have been supported by a majority, but Biden's more central position should work in his favour in this regard. If I was a Republican whispering in Trump's ear I'd be looking for him to soften his position on socialised healthcare.


  • #437
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote: »
    I If I was a Republican whispering in Trump's ear I'd be looking for him to soften his position on socialised healthcare.

    His only chance of beating Biden is to somehow cut Biden off from the left on economics and obviously health care, and as he has no principles I expect that will be the plan. How he does that, who knows.


  • #438
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Ludwig Wittgenstein


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    His only chance of beating Biden is to somehow cut Biden off from the left on economics and obviously health care, and as he has no principles I expect that will be the plan. How he does that, who knows.

    What do you mean by cut Biden off from the left on economics/health care? By co-opting some leftist economic policies into his own? I imagine he might just have to do that depending on how bad the economic downturn is following this virus, America surely won't continue their stand against a robust welfare safety net if a large proportion of them have just lost their jobs.


  • #439
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote: »
    What do you mean by cut Biden off from the left on economics/health care? By co-opting some leftist economic policies into his own? I imagine he might just have to do that depending on how bad the economic downturn is following this virus, America surely won't continue their stand against a robust welfare safety net if a large proportion of them have just lost their jobs.

    Something like that yeah.

    Possible Trump might try to adopt some sort of UBI type scheme.

    Some of the 2024 front runners like Hawley, Cotton etc seem to adopting leftist rhetoric regarding how to handle the fall out.


  • #440
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Joe Biden’s live anti-Trump shadow briefing train wreck about the coronavirus simply goes to show that if you vote for Biden you are as foolish as he is.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #441
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Joe Biden’s live anti-Trump shadow briefing train wreck about the coronavirus simply goes to show that if you vote for Biden you are as foolish as he is.

    Trump is going to get a lot of your fellow citizens needlessly killed.

    Time to put down the pom poms. He isn't funny anymore.


  • Advertisement
  • #442
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Boggles wrote: »
    Trump is going to get a lot of your fellow citizens needlessly killed.

    Time to put down the pom poms. He isn't funny anymore.
    How so? Time to turn off the Trump hating MSNBC & CNN.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #443
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Joe Biden’s live anti-Trump shadow briefing train wreck about the coronavirus simply goes to show that if you vote for Biden you are as foolish as he is.

    People who voted for Biden over Bernie are dire, mainly selfish boomers nostalgic for Obama, but I'd gladly vote for him over Trump as at least he will surround himself with experts and actually listen to them unlike Trump.


  • #444
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,803 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    People who voted for Biden over Bernie are dire, mainly selfish boomers nostalgic for Obama, but I'd gladly vote for him over Trump as at least he will surround himself with experts and actually listen to them unlike Trump.

    I'd imagine the coronavirus die will be long cast by the start of the next presidency. The crucial decisions will be taken by the current administration over the next couple of months.


  • #445
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Sorry haters, but President Trump continues to get high marks for his coronavirus response despite biased overwhelmingly negative media coverage.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #446
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Sorry haters, but President Trump continues to get high marks for his coronavirus response despite biased overwhelmingly negative media coverage.

    Given the number of lives now at risk, your responses are getting progressively more bleak. Do you think the US can realistically open for business on Easter Sunday? You realise that the US is set to to pass out Italy in terms of infections in next few days and China next week.


  • #447
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Actually in the run up to 2016 his media coverage was mostly positive while his opponent Clinton got mostly negative

    figure-7.gif?resize=700%2C362

    https://shorensteincenter.org/pre-primary-news-coverage-2016-trump-clinton-sanders/

    The only negative press coverage Trump really got that people remembered was the Hollywood access tape and that was reported more in jest by the media. A day later it was wall to wall Clinton's emails again.

    Trump won last election because Republican party, right wing media and the corporate media made Hillary Clinton more unpopular than Trump. They did this through a variety of ways but by the end many hardcore Democratic voters viewed Clinton as a monster on her deathbed.

    The fact an A+ rated charity in Clinton Foundation got MORE bad press than Trumps Foundation which had been shut down and sued multiple times says it all really.

    not a chance , pre and post election it has been wall to wall negativity on trump, even Fox News were berating him before the Super Tuesday debate when it looked like he had an actual shot.


  • #448
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Given the number of lives now at risk, your responses are getting progressively more bleak. Do you think the US can realistically open for business on Easter Sunday? You realise that the US is set to to pass out Italy in terms of infections in next few days and China next week.
    Of course the US will have more infections than Italy. The US population is 327 million to Italy's 60 million. Did you know the current flu we all get is a form of the 1918 Spanish Flu? That flu has been around for over a hundred years. The Wuflu will most likely be around for a hundred years, also. Everyone will probably contract it in the next few years regardless of whatever draconian measures are taken. The countries that come out of the initial hysteria with economies less affected will be considered the smart ones.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #449
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Of course the US will have more infections than Italy. The US population is 327 million to Italy's 60 million. Did you know the current flu we all get is a form of the 1918 Spanish Flu? That flu has been around for over a hundred years. The Wuflu will most likely be around for a hundred years, also. Everyone will probably contract it in the next few years regardless of whatever draconian measures are taken. The countries that come out of the initial hysteria with economies less affected will be considered the smart ones.

    That's not actually logically true though, relatively untouched economies aren't even realistic at the moment. Eg Every single healthcare system in the globe would collapse in a situation where you don't actively attempt preventative measures. There's a very strong possibility that you could face hundreds of thousands of US citizens dying. That's because of a very poor strategy for dealing with it.

    You also seemed to ignore that US infections will pass out China's. A far bigger population. The reason is, it's been allowed to run rampant for ages within the US.

    You can call measures to drastically reduce deaths 'draconian' but realistically, it will save lives. This currently strain of the coronavirus can potentially be wiped out entirely if the correct measures are pursued.


  • #450
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Of course the US will have more infections than Italy. The US population is 327 million to Italy's 60 million.
    This is true - however the USA is about 14-18 days behind Italy in terms of infection. If you want a true comparison look at what the USA is like in 3 weeks compared to Italy today - and they way things are developing the USA is likely to be worse.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    Did you know the current flu we all get is a form of the 1918 Spanish Flu?
    The Spanish flu killed up to 100 million people.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    That flu has been around for over a hundred years.
    There are different types of flu virus - and within that there are a number of sub catagories - the Spanish flu was H1N1 - the swine flu was a version of this. The H2N2 caused the Asian flu in 1957 causing the deaths of 2 million - the Hong Kong flu in was H3N2 and caused 1 millions deaths. These are all sub catagories of Type A which is the type most associated with the 'common flu' - a flu which kills about 500,000 annually.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    The Wuflu will most likely be around for a hundred years, also.
    Your problem here is that your 'Wuflu' isn't a flu - Covid 19 is a cold virus. Terming the virus as a 'flu' is false - it is a human pathogen that causes critical conditions in about 5% of victims including viral pneumonia, organ failure and death. It is possible that the virus could run out of steam - particularly if the isolation and social distancing is effective - however, given the approach of governments to date in continuing with non-essential work that is unlikely to happen.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    Everyone will probably contract it in the next few years regardless of whatever draconian measures are taken.
    That may or may not be the case - it may run out of steam if the virus cannot find hosts without immunity. If that is not the case and 'everyone' contracts - then the death toll will be in the tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    The countries that come out of the initial hysteria with economies less affected will be considered the smart ones.
    Regarding the measures that have been implemented as 'hysteria' is being flippant. The reality is that they have been late and they haven't been enough - coupled with the inability of governments to have proper health measures in place because of the hatchet job done on health services globally over the past 10 years. The earlier this virus is killed off (through a combination of those infected developing immunity and those not infected social isolating) the better - allowing the virus to run its course through the population of the planet risks a second wave of infection with a mutation of the original virus. The economic fallout from this crisis will be significant - the capitalist market is incapable of sustaining itself against shocks such as this - the quicker the virus peters out the better in economic terms. If society was to adopt the approach you are advocating then the economic catastrophe would make the Great Depression look like a Sunday picnic.


  • Advertisement
  • #451
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote: »
    Now he's had four years of a presidency which achieved little besides economic success, which has now been wiped out.

    Trump's 'economic success' was superficial, benefited the billionaires and largely based on a stock market bubble.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement