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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    An interesting photo set indeed.

    3187 is in a dreadful state. Either marshal something in better condition or paint it at least.

    What is the function of the Sperry - track fault detection? Is it possible that this run might allow some of the speed restriction north of Silvermines Jct to be lifted?

    What kind of testing can we expect to see in the PWD yard test track?

    We can hardly expect the M7 to have maintained the way given what the M3 did to Navan, which was supposedly being planned for reinstatement!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    Not anymore.

    There are no signals to control running around at Ballybrophy so a spin down to Lisduff is needed.

    Is this recent, It was possible not so long ago. Would a shunting signal not allow this to happen. Surely with the crossover trains can still be held at the approach signals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    tabbey wrote: »
    Next stop Abbeyleix, destination Kilkenny!

    Wishful thinking, but more seriously, the notion that the M7 was built without providing a bridge over the railway alignment, is just disgraceful.

    Do we know who is responsible for this. Did IE given them permission as plenty of other road projects built bridges over disused railways most recently N25 New Ross bypass (Wateeford/New Ross line).


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Do we know who is responsible for this. Did IE given them permission as plenty of other road projects built bridges over disused railways most recently N25 New Ross bypass (Wateeford/New Ross line).

    I think the line to Abbeyleix would need to go over the motorway rather than under it either way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    IE 222 wrote: »
    I think the line to Abbeyleix would need to go over the motorway rather than under it either way.

    I see, thats not as bad if the need arises in future. Still IE must have given the go-ahead as they were consulted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I see, thats not as bad if the need arises in future. Still IE must have given the go-ahead as they were consulted.
    a shame that BnM Coolnamona Works just over the M7 weren’t a freight customer... or the new biodigester BnM are building off the M7 at Junction 18 a mile south west of the train care depot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I see, thats not as bad if the need arises in future. Still IE must have given the go-ahead as they were consulted.

    The line onwards to Kilkenny was abandoned 30 years, long before the Motorway was built. CIE would have disposed of the trackbed donkey years back and wouldn't have had any input or any case to have a new bridge constructed over the motorway. The new roads in the Wexford/Waterford region are crossing lines that are still "open" or not abandoned; the construction plan would include any such bridges to cross a railway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 thewexman93


    I'm not sure any of the new roads in Wexford crossed old railway paths.

    A link from Portlaoise to Kilkenny would add a lot of versatility to Irish Rail, considering how good the service is from Portlaoise to Dublin, Limerick and cork. It would link them to Kilkenny and Waterford.

    These links shouldn't have to be economically viable, public service should be reason enough.

    Same goes for Waterford to rosslare, athenry to Sligo via claremorris, Mullingar to athlone, Tralee to limerick and Limerick to cork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭91wx763


    IE 222 wrote: »
    Is this recent, It was possible not so long ago. Would a shunting signal not allow this to happen. Surely with the crossover trains can still be held at the approach signals.

    There are shunt signals but some of the moves are "doable" but unsignalled. UHF radios were used but this is no longer deemed acceptable.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    91wx763 wrote: »
    There are shunt signals but some of the moves are "doable" but unsignalled. UHF radios were used but this is no longer deemed acceptable.

    Sounds like someone got carried away with the red tape. Seems like an awful waste of resources as there is actually two run around points there. They should at least alter the crossover from the main to the branch to avoid the bay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I'm not sure any of the new roads in Wexford crossed old railway paths.

    A link from Portlaoise to Kilkenny would add a lot of versatility to Irish Rail, considering how good the service is from Portlaoise to Dublin, Limerick and cork. It would link them to Kilkenny and Waterford.

    These links shouldn't have to be economically viable, public service should be reason enough.

    Same goes for Waterford to rosslare, athenry to Sligo via claremorris, Mullingar to athlone, Tralee to limerick and Limerick to cork.

    Well not Wexford but Co. Klkenny.

    https://www.bamppp.com/en/our-projects/n25-new-ross-bypass
    The Project’s distinguishing technical feature is the Barrow Bridge, a seven-pier extrados bridge with an overall length of 887 m and two main spans of 230 m which are 10 m longer than the next longest concrete-only extradosed box-girder section spans in existence.

    The scheme’s other principal features included:

    * three at-grade roundabout junctions at Glenmore (N25), Ballymacar Bridge (N25), Corcoran’s Cross (N30), and a compact grade separated junction at Landscape (R733);
    * one overbridge of the disused New Ross/Waterford railway line near Glenmore;
    * 11 road bridges; and
    * 13 minor structures, such as accommodation underpasses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    91wx763 wrote:
    There are shunt signals but some of the moves are "doable" but unsignalled. UHF radios were used but this is no longer deemed acceptable.
    IE 222 wrote: »
    Sounds like someone got carried away with the red tape. Seems like an awful waste of resources as there is actually two run around points there. They should at least alter the crossover from the main to the branch to avoid the bay.

    With due respect but it's 100% right that such a manoeuvre on a main running line be entirely controlled and monitored by the controlling signalman, especially on busy sections. Indeed experience has borne this out to be the case on CIE turf.

    One of the prime causes of the Buttevant crash was a set of points on the running main line that was out of control of the signalman and entrusted to staff on the ground. A few years later, a flaw in Rule 55 which allowed a driver to legally proceed past a stop signal was a leading factor at Cherryville.

    The two worst disasters on CIE tracks; both easily preventable if traffic is controlled by a signalman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    With due respect but it's 100% right that such a manoeuvre on a main running line be entirely controlled and monitored by the controlling signalman, especially on busy sections. Indeed experience has borne this out to be the case on CIE turf.

    One of the prime causes of the Buttevant crash was a set of points on the running main line that was out of control of the signalman and entrusted to staff on the ground. A few years later, a flaw in Rule 55 which allowed a driver to legally proceed past a stop signal was a leading factor at Cherryville.

    The two worst disasters on CIE tracks; both easily preventable if traffic is controlled by a signalman.

    My sentiments entirely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Some good comments generated from my last post.

    Anyway, the round up from this week and to bring February to a close:

    Tuesday 25th February 2020::
    Today's batch of images come from Ballybrophy, Thurles and Limerick and include seeing failed 22033 at Thurles in the middle of a snow storm.

    Thursday 27th February 2020:
    The Limerick based pilot locomotive, 085, rescued 22033 which had failed at Thurles on Tuesday and hauled the unit back to Laois Traincare Depot. Rescue by a locomotive was deemed the most viable option as the unit was placed at the Dublin end of Thurles loop which prevented easy rescue by another 5 car 22000 unit which would have blocked the down line at Thurles. Pictures from later in the day come from Portlaosie, Hazelhatch, Drumcondra, Coolmine, Connolly and Heuston.

    Click https://bit.ly/2T6tizR to view.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭91wx763


    With due respect but it's 100% right that such a manoeuvre on a main running line be entirely controlled and monitored by the controlling signalman, especially on busy sections. Indeed experience has borne this out to be the case on CIE turf.

    One of the prime causes of the Buttevant crash was a set of points on the running main line that was out of control of the signalman and entrusted to staff on the ground. A few years later, a flaw in Rule 55 which allowed a driver to legally proceed past a stop signal was a leading factor at Cherryville.

    The two worst disasters on CIE tracks; both easily preventable if traffic is controlled by a signalman.

    Very well said David. I have done the reversal from the loop to the bay aboard locohauled railtours over the years, we might have liked it from an enthusiast point of view but it was always inherently unsafe.

    It still begs the question-with a multiple unit railway, a facing crossover from the down into the bay would not be a huge issue. No runarounds needed.

    Makes you wonder but it seems the same prejudicial attitude exists towards the branch today as did when the 1985 remodeling was done creating the silly layout.,....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    With due respect but it's 100% right that such a manoeuvre on a main running line be entirely controlled and monitored by the controlling signalman, especially on busy sections. Indeed experience has borne this out to be the case on CIE turf.

    One of the prime causes of the Buttevant crash was a set of points on the running main line that was out of control of the signalman and entrusted to staff on the ground. A few years later, a flaw in Rule 55 which allowed a driver to legally proceed past a stop signal was a leading factor at Cherryville.

    The two worst disasters on CIE tracks; both easily preventable if traffic is controlled by a signalman.

    Completely agree safety is paramount but does the signalman not have full control of the area? They could also do the run around on the up line. The train is going to have to come to a stop on the main line either way. Regardless were they do the run around there is going to have be a reserval.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Afternoon all,

    Two updates to the website today.

    First up is the March gallery with a visit to Ballycar on the Limerick to Ennis railway. After a prolonged spell of heavy rain the, railway has been closed due to flooding at Ballycar Lough near Newmarket on Fergus. It is reported that the water levels are still rising and the railway is expected to remain closed for several weeks as the Lough fills up a lot quicker than it drains out. Pictures appeared on facebook earlier in the week and it didn't look too bad, a few days later and it's a lot worse.

    Click https://bit.ly/2Tz4noX to view the images.

    The second update is from a visit to Spain in the first week of March. The pictures in this gallery are a mixture of travel and transport featuring the local commuter network around Malaga and a day trip on Wednesday to Madrid using the high speed AVE service to explore the capital city on a whistlestop tour, which included visiting the Madrid railway museum.

    Click https://bit.ly/2TMd5z0 to view all the images.

    Both galleries can also be accessed from the home page at https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    IE 222 wrote: »
    Completely agree safety is paramount but does the signalman not have full control of the area? They could also do the run around on the up line. The train is going to have to come to a stop on the main line either way. Regardless were they do the run around there is going to have be a reserval.


    But the layout in Ballybrophy means fouling a running line, or even two, to allow a runaround. If shunting signals are used a signalman doesn't have full control over the line. All told it's safety, easier and quicker to do it down line where the layout favours it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    If shunting signals are used a signalman doesn't have full control over the line.

    I assume you mean "aren't" instead of are?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    The March gallery has been updated today with:

    Tuesday 10th March 2020:
    A liner trial operated from Ballina to Waterford's Belview Port on Tuesday 10th March for XPO Logistics. XPO is a top ten global provider of transportation and logistics services. The trial only contained 3 x 40ft refrigerated reefers and the purpose of these was to see how well they kept the contents cooled on the journey from Ballina to Waterford.

    Click https://bit.ly/3cJu11P to view.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭Thedarkb


    I couldn't believe my eyes when I passed it on the bus home!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Trail run and even better a 201 in charge. Could count on one hand the number of 201s in Waterford over last few years.

    Hopefully it resumes again and doesn't face other challenges beyond IE control!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Could count on one hand the number of 201s in Waterford over last few years.

    Do they not come into Waterford with timber from Mayo?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    tabbey wrote: »
    Do they not come into Waterford with timber from Mayo?

    No usually only 071s, depending who you talk to some are only 071 cleared now so rostering might me be more complicated for a 201s without more training.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭91wx763


    Having drivers trained on either class of locomotives is often an issue in Waterford....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Evening folks,

    Friday 20th March 2020:
    As the COVID19 crises deepens, travel has been severely restricted of late, but I had to venture out to Kildare and Laois today and stopped off at the Curragh for 25 minute interlude which saw six trains passing in the space of that time. Social Distancing at its best!

    Click https://bit.ly/2J6fHmq to view all the images.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭0lddog


    Very off topic but hopefully good for a giggle or two in these dark days






    ( Mods please feel free to zap it )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Evening all,

    Friday 27th March 2020:
    Updates continue to be irregular due to the COVID19 pandemic. With travel restricted and working from home, the opportunity for wandering is few and far between. After finishing work today and being cooped up in the house for the week, I ventured out to photograph the 1655 Limerick - Ballybrophy service at a couple of locations around Nenagh.

    Click https://bit.ly/3dxxjW9 to view all the images.

    DSC_0415-S.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Enniscorthy Station: 7am Friday morning 3rd April 2020.

    The currently disused Up platform lit up like a Christmas tree - presumably on all night? Not that they should be on at all given that the platform is no longer in use. Taking this a micro-aspect of all that's wrong with CIE/IE it's not surprising that the company is in a permanent state of bankruptcy. Multiply this sort of waste across the 147 stations on IE and the electricity consumption must be off the charts. Thoughts?


    Enniscorthy%2BStation%2BLights.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    When you say not in use are you just referring to the fact no services cross there or signed out of use by IE?

    They used to turn lights off in Ballybrphy and Templemore once the last service stopped at them but I think they may have rowed back on this. I am assuming for health and safety.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Credit Checker Moose


    There are rusty rail movements that involve that platform which take place regularly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    There are rusty rail movements that involve that platform which take place regularly.


    Not sure why the platform lights would need to be on for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Not sure why the platform lights would need to be on for that.

    Perhaps for security?


  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    Two recent additions added to the IRRS film archive on youtube:

    Sugar Beet trains on the Youghal branch during the late 1970's and early 1980's.


    Audio documentary on CIE (Part 1), recorded in 1961, covering passenger services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Wednesday 15th April 2020:
    Nenagh saw a train today for the first time in two weeks when 079 hauled a ballast train through the station while on a circular trip from Lisduff to drop ballast at the 2MP on the Nenagh Branch. The train returned to Lisduff via Limerick and Thurles.

    Click https://bit.ly/2K9DZw4 to view.

    DSC_0437-S.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    I always thought it would be CIE/IE that killed the railway not a damn virus!
    Below, the 13.36 departure from Connolly arriving at Enniscorthy this afternoon - one passenger disembarked (a lady with a tiny baby) - nobody waiting at the station to travel or meet the train and no staff in evidence. Will this route ever recover? :(


    25th%2BApril%2BEnniscorthy.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Be a good time to have refitted 2700s running around doing two car diagrams while the 29000s got a chance to get some of their maint backlog seem to but NTA nixed that... I assume IE hedge their fuel so aren’t even seeing the benefit of lower pricing as a result of diesel demand generally yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    All routes are like this, would have taught the downgrade to 29s would have concerned your more!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    All routes are like this, would have taught the downgrade to 29s would have concerned your more!


    Actually, the last day that I travelled I was relieved to see a 29000 as with opening windows and doors that suck the air out at every stop there's theoretically less chance of getting the bug.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭91wx763


    Eiretrains wrote: »
    Two recent additions added to the IRRS film archive on youtube:

    Sugar Beet trains on the Youghal branch during the late 1970's and early 1980's.


    Audio documentary on CIE (Part 1), recorded in 1961, covering passenger services.

    @Eiretrains have you any idea how long it takes for access to the IRRS Flickr archive to come through if someone signs up for a membership ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Salmon Leap


    Came across this site through a link on another photo on Flickr. Some interesting shots from 80s/90s:
    https://table158photography.weebly.com/ireland.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Came across this site through a link on another photo on Flickr. Some interesting shots from 80s/90s:
    https://table158photography.weebly.com/ireland.html

    Signalbox and Connelly shows its not a local, but lovely just the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Salmon Leap


    tabbey wrote: »
    Signalbox and Connelly shows its not a local, but lovely just the same.

    No he’s from Dorset. He’s on Flickr but his Irish stuff is on his own site only.

    Graham Roose, a Flickr contact of mine has also been uploading some nice older Irish images recently too:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/66247864@N03/albums/72157635123605804


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Great photographs and some quite artistic but in the main they show just what a shadow of a railway we have left today. Really, it has come down to being an irrelevance and as someone once said, "a few greyhound buses could handle the traffic" - outside of the Greater Dublin area. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    91wx763 wrote: »
    @Eiretrains have you any idea how long it takes for access to the IRRS Flickr archive to come through if someone signs up for a membership ?
    Sorry just seeing your message now (I visit here just a once a week or two!:o), usually within a couple days when the Flickr message is received or a week if tied up with other things.

    I hope to upload the second part of the 1961 audio documentary shortly, which includes the earliest reference to the famous black/orange livery.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    As promised; Part 2 of the 1961 documentary made on CIÉ, this time covering goods services on the railways. There is also probably one of the earliest references to what would become the iconic 'black & orange' livery:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    As a point of interest, when the site for new sundries depot was being planned CIE surveyed their customers to see whether they would prefer it to remain at Heuston or move to the North Wall; by their own admission CIE revealed that customers expressed a preference for Heuston and the rest is history. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    In preparation for relaying between the 26 & 28 mileposts on the Nenagh Branch, a CWR train visited the branch on Tuesday morning. The train departed Portlaoise PWD Yard at 0810, running to Lisduff to run around in the sidings, before retracing its outward journey as far as Ballybrophy. Upon entering the T3 Possession on the Nenagh Branch the CWR train headed to Birdhill for locomotive 084 to run around the train. On the trip back from Birdhill to Ballybrophy it dropped its load of rails, a process which took well over two hours to drop a total of 30 strings of rail.

    All photos were taken while adhering to Government restrictions on movement during the COVID19 pandemic, limiting you to a maximum of 5 km from home.

    Click https://bit.ly/2zMKSSd to view all the images and video.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Rulmeq


    In preparation for relaying between the 26 & 28 mileposts on the Nenagh Branch, a CWR train visited the branch on Tuesday morning.


    Wait, so they are relaying the line, but keeping the old wooden sleepers? How does that make sense?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Rulmeq wrote: »
    Wait, so they are relaying the line, but keeping the old wooden sleepers? How does that make sense?

    No you are completely wrong!

    The strings (rails) are laid outside the existing track by the CWR train. At a later date the relay train arrives on site. The Donelli gantries are lifted off the relay train onto the new rails, they lift the old track onto the wagons of the relay train, then place concrete sleepers in the correct position. The strings of rails are then slewed on to the new sleepers.

    See https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/search#q=Donelli for images of the Donelli.


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