Lord Mayor of Dublin harassed at her home by protesters

Tacitus Kilgore · 22-01-2021 11:48am

BattleCorp wrote: »

Stall the ball there boss. Can you show me where I have backed the protesters?

I'll wait.

I took your post as backing, and victim blaming - it's still victim blaming for sure, but I will retract my assertion that you backed them.

dennispenn · 22-01-2021 11:48am

mariaalice wrote: »

We have this thing called elections both local and national if anyone does not agree with a politician do not voter them back in it's as simple as that.

The public don't get to vote for the position of lord mayor.

Annasopra · 22-01-2021 11:49am

paw patrol wrote: »

I'm not defending these people.

But the "home" in the article question is the mansion house. That's like saying a protest at the Aras is at Micheal D's private residence. It's not the same.

It's a bit disingenuous to claim it's her home which would imply it's her private residence. If they protested at her actual home that would be terrible behaviour.

Is the mansion house out of bounds for protest? surely not,.

It is her home.

suicide_circus · 22-01-2021 11:50am

Effects wrote: »

Again, it's her home. And no one has answered about why people are protesting at her residence/temporary mansion, about face masks.

Because they're idiots. The general public is replete with idiocy.

GarIT · 22-01-2021 11:51am

dennispenn wrote: »

The public don't get to vote for the position of lord mayor.

I'd say it would be unlikely that someone who was the last elected in their area would be elected as mayor but I haven't researched so could be completely wrong.

suicide_circus · 22-01-2021 11:51am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It is her home.

Should it be illegal to protest outside the Mansion House?

22-01-2021 11:51am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It is her home.

It is also an official state residence of the lord mayor.

osarusan · 22-01-2021 11:52am

The idea that she can expect some anti-maskers protesting as a result of her comments after the Nchenko shooting makes no sense to me whatsoever. I can't see any connection between the two.

Comparisons to 10 Downing Street and the White House fall down quite a bit when you consider the different levels of distance and security involved.

And that's even before you ask why anti-mask nutters would see either the Mansion House or Chu are some kind of target in the first place. There's nothing about the building itself or the office of Lord Mayor that has any real significance in terms of government policy.

You might as well protest at Busaras.

GarIT · 22-01-2021 11:53am

I think it's a bit disingenuous to call surrounding someone and harrassinf them a protest. They should have stood back from her at least.

Mrs OBumble · 22-01-2021 11:54am

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

And doesn't The Lord Mayor live in the mansion house?

How can you say that's not her home? FFS

It's an official residence. She's mayor 24x7, so lives at work.

riffmongous · 22-01-2021 11:54am

Deleted User wrote: »

No protests allowed at Mansion House, Áras an Uachtaráin, The White House, An Dáil Eireann, 10 Downing Street and every other home of private citizens.

Got it.

Can you just walk up to the front door of Downing Street or the White House?

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I'm not even going to bother with a photo of the White House

Tacitus Kilgore · 22-01-2021 11:54am

suicide_circus wrote: »

Should it be illegal to protest outside the Mansion House?

It should be illegal to harass someone at their home, under the shroud of a "peeeceful protest"

Why would anyone want to direct an anti-mask protest against the lord mayor of a city who has absolutely nothing to do with, or say in - mask policy? I wonder...

22-01-2021 11:55am

riffmongous wrote: »

Can you just walk up to the front door of Downing Street or the White House?

I'm not even going to bother with a photo of the White House

All homes. Indistinguishable from a privately purchased residence.

beakerjoe · 22-01-2021 11:55am

Im not Chu's biggest fan nor her biggets enemy. I agree with some things she does and not others. If Im honest I soured on her a little recently. But sure shes one of many politician Ive soured on recently.

But no matter how much I disagree Im never gonna protest outside someones home. She has young kids, it must be an awful experience.

These Anti-mask lot need some reality checks. For many reasons.

And I dont see how harassing an official in this manner is going to help their cause. Stupidity on many fronts.

Tacitus Kilgore · 22-01-2021 11:56am

osarusan wrote: »

The idea that she can expect some anti-maskers protesting as a result of her comments after the Nchenko shooting makes no sense to me whatsoever. I can't see any connection between the two.

Comparisons to 10 Downing Street and the White House fall down quite a bit when you consider the different levels of distance and security involved.

And that's even before you ask why anti-mask nutters would see either the Mansion House or Chu are some kind of target in the first place. There's nothing about the building itself or the office of Lord Mayor that has any real significance in terms of government policy.

You might as well protest at Busaras.

We all know why the protest was there, we all know why it's being defended by the usuals, we all know why indeed. But they know there's no 'proof' otherwise. Welcome to the discourse of the '20s.

paw patrol · 22-01-2021 11:57am

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Protesting = harassing someone on the doorstep of where they live, for a policy that they have nothing to do with?

Nah, it's something else, and you all know it.

the point, the entire point I made is that the mansion house is a legit state building for protest it is not a private residence. That is it.

you are attempting to invent a link between that point and approval of the aims and behaviour of the protesters. That is just not the case.
I suspect that it a deliberate tactic of yours to shut down discussion by inventing links between opinions you disagree with to unsavoury people or politics.
a well worn tactic , bit too over used at this stage.

Beechwoodspark · 22-01-2021 11:57am

francois wrote: »

Desperate spinning from the usual cohort. She currently resides at the Mansion House. It is her current home.

The Lord Mayor gets to live there but It’s an official public building

Tacitus Kilgore · 22-01-2021 12:00pm

paw patrol wrote: »

the point, the entire point I made is that the mansion house is a legit state building for protest it is not a private residence. That is it.

you are attempting to invent a link between that point and approval of the aims and behaviour of the protesters. That is just not the case.
I suspect that it a deliberate tactic of yours to shut down discussion by inventing links between opinions you disagree with to unsavoury people or politics.
a well worn tactic , bit too over used at this stage.

It is a private residence, she lives their with her kids man...

I dont need to invent anything, its plain as day for all to see. I'm not going to change your mind, I don't care that I won't, but you won't stop me giving my piece - the same as I won't stop you.

Maybe overused, probably true though..

riffmongous · 22-01-2021 12:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

All homes. Indistinguishable from a privately purchased residence.

I don't know where you live my but my residences never had security fences and armed guards protecting them, just like the Mansion House doesn't either.

BattleCorp · 22-01-2021 12:03pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

It is a private residence, she lives their with her kids man...

I dont need to invent anything, its plain as day for all to see. I'm not going to change your mind, I don't care that I won't, but you won't stop me giving my piece - the same as I won't stop you.

Maybe overused, probably true though..

I'm 100% against the protesters...........but...............the protesters were in a public place weren't they? So private residence or not, the protesters (wrong as they are) have a right to protest in a public place.

GarIT · 22-01-2021 12:04pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

after the knife man died a huge amount of anger out there that there is no direct way the electorate can remove chu from the position of Lord Mayor.

How was she installed as Lord Mayor in the first place - Grubby dealings behind the scenes in city hall?

She was voted for by the elected councillors legitimately like anyone else.

Tacitus Kilgore · 22-01-2021 12:05pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm 100% against the protesters...........but...............the protesters were in a public place weren't they? So private residence or not, the protesters (wrong as they are) have a right to protest in a public place.

Protest, or harass?

Beechwoodspark · 22-01-2021 12:05pm

GarIT wrote: »

She was voted for by the elected councillors legitimately like anyone else.

Is there any way to remove a Lord Mayor by the electorate?

dennispenn · 22-01-2021 12:06pm

Chu up next on Claire Byrne

22-01-2021 12:07pm

I think calling that building her home is a stretch just to sell the piece and I cannot stand her based on how she handles her business on twtter alone, she's not very bright in my opinion.

However, Pennsylvania avenue was Trumps address for the last 4 years, 10 downing street is Johnsons at this point in time, if they sleep there, technically it's their home isn't it? as paul young says, "wherever I lay my hat...."

GarIT · 22-01-2021 12:09pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Is there any way to remove a Lord Mayor by the electorate?

Not that I'm aware of. Their job is to control the order of business and be the deciding vote of the council. And sort of the public face of the council. I don't think theres too much point in the public picking them.

Wasn't there a vote on that actually that failed a while ago to have a directly elected mayor?

Beechwoodspark · 22-01-2021 12:09pm

Personally I think labelling the mansion house as her “home” is unfortunate. Little bit misleading. It’s the official residence of the Lord Mayor - she happens to be the current occupier of that role.

Not sure why it was presented as if it was her own personal home in the Piece.

dan1895 · 22-01-2021 12:09pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

after the knife man died a huge amount of anger out there that there is no direct way the electorate can remove chu from the position of Lord Mayor.

How was she installed as Lord Mayor in the first place - Grubby dealings behind the scenes in city hall?

Again, what has that got to do with face masks?

Invidious · 22-01-2021 12:10pm

rusty cole wrote: »

However, Pennsylvania avenue was Trumps address for the last 4 years, 10 downing street is Johnsons at this point in time, if they sleep there, technically it's their home isn't it?

The White House and 10 Downing Street are entirely different cases from the Mansion House, apparently, because, erm, [insert convoluted logic here]

Beechwoodspark · 22-01-2021 12:11pm

Bit startling how a public rep like chu is labelling the protest as “abuse”

Even clare Byrne said they were “perfectly entitled” to protest.

Chu seems to be against protest full stop

Tacitus Kilgore · 22-01-2021 12:11pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Personally I think labelling the mansion house as her “home” is unfortunate. Little bit misleading. It’s the official residence of the Lord Mayor - she happens to be the current occupier of that role.

Not sure why it was presented as if it was her own personal home in the Piece.

How so?

It is the official residence (home?) of the lord mayor, she is currently the lord mayor, so it's her residence (home).

What kind of mental backflipping is going on here....

Annasopra · 22-01-2021 12:11pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Was it a violent protest?

Sounds like intimidation and harassment the way its described.

suicide_circus · 22-01-2021 12:12pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Should it be illegal to protest outside the Mansion House?

Anyone? Howabout the Aras?

dan1895 · 22-01-2021 12:13pm

Invidious wrote: »

The White House and 10 Downing Street are entirely different cases from the Mansion House, apparently, because, erm, [insert convoluted logic here]

The large security railings and space between the front door and the main road. That's the difference.

GarIT · 22-01-2021 12:13pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Anyone? Howabout the Aras?

To be honest I'd like if we made a protestors square, and banned protesting outside of protestors square.

Could make use of the pedestrianised Dame Street and confine protestors to there.

KaneToad · 22-01-2021 12:13pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Bit startling how a public rep like chu is labelling the protest as “abuse”

Even clare Byrne said they were “perfectly entitled” to protest.

Chu seems to be against protest full stop

But Chu herself attended a mass protest/rally in contravention of the Covid restrictions.

Beechwoodspark · 22-01-2021 12:15pm

I would say to the Lord Mayor - as a democrat you should be fully behind the public’s legitimate right to protest and to accept that is part and parcel of being in a liberal democracy.

Don’t try to shut down protest. Protest has led to some great social changes over the years.

suicide_circus · 22-01-2021 12:15pm

GarIT wrote: »

To be honest I'd like if we made a protestors square, and banned protesting outside of protestors square.

Could make use of the pedestrianised Dame Street and confine protestors to there.

Interesting

BattleCorp · 22-01-2021 12:15pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Protest, or harass?

I think the fact that the protesters had a placard that said "Our Lives Matter", clearly a play on BLM, means that the protesters weren't really there because of masks. Anyway............back to your question.

Most protesters are there to cause a nusiance. So many protests can lead to people being harassed. That said, Chu didn't get too much harassment. Approached by 5 people, one asked to shake her hand, two stood close to her and they asked her why she was wearing a mask. Not the greatest instance of harassment ever. But still, the protesters are absolute ar5eholes.

beakerjoe · 22-01-2021 12:16pm

KaneToad wrote: »

But Chu herself attended a mass protest/rally in contravention of the Covid restrictions.

Thats a stupid thing to do in these covid times.

But its not the point, they shouldnt be outside her house where her kids live.

These Anti Mask idiots are the most selfish fools around so I expect dumb situations like this from them.

riffmongous · 22-01-2021 12:16pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Anyone? Howabout the Aras?

A registered and approved protest, sure why not? One with a clearly defined time and duration, a Garda presence, and an actual reason why they are there and what it's got to do with the office of the mayor

ohnonotgmail · 22-01-2021 12:16pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Bit startling how a public rep like chu is labelling the protest as “abuse”

Even clare Byrne said they were “perfectly entitled” to protest.

Chu seems to be against protest full stop

The protest seemed to be very personalised against her specifically. and protesting about wearing masks to someone that has no control over that is a bit odd.

suicide_circus · 22-01-2021 12:18pm

riffmongous wrote: »

A registered and approved protest, sure why not? One with a clearly defined time and duration, a Garda presence, and an actual reason why they are there and what it's got to do with the office of the mayor

The best kind of protest

Invidious · 22-01-2021 12:18pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

But its not the point, they shouldnt be outside her house where her kids live.

She doesn't have "kids" — she has one daughter, who was in a creche at the time.

mariaalice · 22-01-2021 12:19pm

KaneToad wrote: »

But Chu herself attended a mass protest/rally in contravention of the Covid restrictions.

Every citizen is entitled to protest but personally, I would limit it to outside council offices, Dáil and Seanad Éireann, and the like. Protests should be about the issue and not the person that is very important.

The official resident/work thing is semantics

Tacitus Kilgore · 22-01-2021 12:19pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I think the fact that the protesters had a placard that said "Our Lives Matter", clearly a play on BLM, means that the protesters weren't really there because of masks. Anyway............back to your question.

Most protesters are there to cause a nusiance. So many protests can lead to people being harassed. That said, Chu didn't get too much harassment. Approached by 5 people, one asked to shake her hand, two stood close to her and they asked her why she was wearing a mask. Not the greatest instance of harassment ever. But still, the protesters are absolute ar5eholes.

so you agree that it's not protesting but is harassment, but only kinda harassment?

We definitely agree on the orifices.

WrenBoy · 22-01-2021 12:19pm

GarIT wrote: »

To be honest I'd like if we made a protestors square, and banned protesting outside of protestors square.

Could make use of the pedestrianised Dame Street and confine protestors to there.

Why not a disused field in Wexford instead ??
I think that would be best then no one would be bothered by the Protest.

An Ri rua · 22-01-2021 12:19pm

GarIT wrote: »

To be honest I'd like if we made a protestors square, and banned protesting outside of protestors square.

Could make use of the pedestrianised Dame Street and confine protestors to there.

Don't be so square, dude. Power to the people...

hot buttered scones · 22-01-2021 12:20pm

Fair enough, the Mansion House is a public building as well as the residence of the Lord Mayor. It makes sense that you should be able to protest outside it as it is a public building. However the protestors should also be aware that it is also a residence and behave accordingly and not in a way that intimidates the residents. However I fail to see any connection between the current Lord Mayor and masks. If the protest was regarding something the Lord Mayor had said or done then that would be different. The Lord Mayor is a purely ceremonial role afaik. What power does she have to change anything that the protest was about? None. What part did she have to play in forming the legislation regarding masks? None. It was a pointless excercise. If people have a problem with the government then go protest outside the relevant Government Department or the Dáil. If you have an issue with Dublin City Council then go protest outside the Council offices.

Annasopra · 22-01-2021 12:20pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I would say to the Lord Mayor - as a democrat you should be fully behind the public’s legitimate right to protest and to accept that is part and parcel of being in a liberal democracy.

Don’t try to shut down protest. Protest has led to some great social changes over the years.

I think there is a difference between legitimate protest and harassment/intimidation. The fact the gardai stepped shows this stepped over the line.

Lord Mayor of Dublin harassed at her home by protesters

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