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Ungrateful or does he have a point?

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  • #52
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    overkill602 wrote: »
    anybody in DP can have a free flight home in the morning they just have to drop there appeal they are all failed asylum seekers who are advised by NGOs and other self interest groups that are on a tax payers gravy train to stick it out.
    Stop de madness 1 appeal or out




    incorrect, only some are failed asylum seekers, and the system will work fine in terms of dealing with them, all be it slowly.
    NGOs and all else advising people of their rights is a good thing, as are a couple of appeals which i would imagine act as a sort of check and balance to insure everything is up to scratch, and pick up on anything that may get missed.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #53
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    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    These people aren’t worth considering. They have no true beliefs or principals of their own, so they feign interest in a cause to feel morally superior to the average pleb. The rest of us might be racist knuckledraggers arseboxing through life, but not them. They’re “better.” One of the good ones.

    They're worth consideration because they're the ones with the most influence on pushing the message out. They're the muppets signalling and pushing agendas on twitter/facebook.

    I don't think they are feigning an interest. They're true believers because it suits their purpose to be, Only the faithful could be so blind to the suffering of others, in their pursuit of a cause they have no personal stake in.

    And.... if we ever want society to truly demand our politicians to stop this kind of migrant policy, then, we will have to take these crusaders down. It's as simple as that. The crusaders get their jolts of pleasure from their behavior.. and can go the long run... whereas the opposition gets distracted.
    At least a simpleton has an excuse for their opinions and views and is a lot less dangerous.

    Ahh well, I consider the vast majority of people to be rather stupid. Myself included. Just various ranges of stupidity... It seems a better measure these days.


  • #54
    Jay Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Jay Dee


    Hi,

    Not sure where this should go... re post if it's appropriate...

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/direct-provision-if-that-is-the-kindness-of-the-irish-state-i-would-hate-to-experience-its-cruelty-996264.html

    Your Thoughts ??

    Jay


  • #55
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    If he’s looking for sympathy he’s going the wrong way about it.

    The direct provision system is the system in operation in Ireland. If you don’t like it then why did you chose to come here? It wasn’t a random trip that just happened to end here. They deliberately bypassed many other countries which they had to stop off in to get here but continued on so they had their homework done and seen something they felt was worth their while. What was that? Our over generous social welfare system that rewards laziness, perhaps?

    If you don’t like it here your welcome to fcuk off to where ever you came from or try some other country to free load in.

    No doubt there will be the usual cries of ‘the irish emigrated far and wide for many many years’ and yes that’s very true except for the little point those people conveniently forget....Irish people worked where ever they went, there was no social welfare, free houses, free education, free health care, fuel allowances, handouts for everything. They worked for everything they wanted or needed.


  • #56
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    I’m happy to pay for a one way ticket to get him out of this hell hole.

    Or get him a dinghy, he can row home.


  • #57
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Since 2000, Ireland has been paying private companies to house asylum seekers, the vast majority in older hotels, B&Bs, and holiday camps around the country which may not be considered suitable for commercial hospitality purposes, stoking criticism that the system encourages the owners of these businesses to turn to the direct provision system rather than improve the properties for other uses.

    Government records, available up until 2017, show that, since the first contracts were signed in 2000, the total bill for the 17 years amounts to €1.1bn, with one family business receiving almost €140m from the State.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/specialreports/special-report-how-accommodating-asylum-seekers-turned-into-a-billion-euro-industry-996215.html


  • #58
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    Kivaro wrote: »

    Reminds me of the well-heeled Syrian girl who described Irish direct provisions centres as the worst experience of her life. Don't forget that this young woman was fleeing from war-torn Syria, so our leisure-come-DP-centres must be horrible concentration camps. But then again, the same young lady was living in luxurious accommodation for a number of years in the UAE (or similar extremely expensive country) before getting asylum in Ireland.

    Do you have a link for her “tale of woe?”

    Could do with a laugh.


  • #59
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    If he’s looking for sympathy he’s going the wrong way about it.

    The direct provision system is the system in operation in Ireland. If you don’t like it then why did you chose to come here? It wasn’t a random trip that just happened to end here. They deliberately bypassed many other countries which they had to stop off in to get here but continued on so they had their homework done and seen something they felt was worth their while. What was that? Our over generous social welfare system that rewards laziness, perhaps?

    If you don’t like it here your welcome to fcuk off to where ever you came from or try some other country to free load in.

    No doubt there will be the usual cries of ‘the irish emigrated far and wide for many many years’ and yes that’s very true except for the little point those people conveniently forget....Irish people worked where ever they went, there was no social welfare, free houses, free education, free health care, fuel allowances, handouts for everything. They worked for everything they wanted or needed.

    well no, we don't conveniently forget it, however it's in part, a rose tinted glasses statement trotted out in an attempt to try and suggest that somehow the irish are all grand where as immigrants.
    yes, plenty of irish have worked and contributed positively and do so currently, to the areas they live in. however i would suggest that it is not at the rate of 100% of irish immigrants who do so, there have been plenty of bad apples no doubt.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #60
    Anjunadeep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭Anjunadeep


    A few mentions of bogus asylum claims and economic migrants...
    Curious if there have been any research papers (even at a European level) that contain stats on the legitimacy of asylum claims...?


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  • #61
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Anjunadeep wrote: »
    A few mentions of bogus asylum claims and economic migrants...
    Curious if there have been any research papers (even at a European level) that contain stats on the legitimacy of asylum claims...?

    It would be considered racist to even suggest that this subject should be studied.


  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Anjunadeep wrote: »
    A few mentions of bogus asylum claims and economic migrants...
    Curious if there have been any research papers (even at a European level) that contain stats on the legitimacy of asylum claims...?

    easy enough. Compare rates of application claims to those rejected (usually the reasons for rejections are explained). You could also look at the vetting process and the statistics relating to those. They'll be a matter of public record, for both Ireland and the EU.

    Unless you're just hoping that someone else does the research for you?

    There are heaps of past immigration threads on boards. Search and browse. There's bound to be some links referenced... Personally, I'm a bit tired of often needing to provide such information every time the topic resurfaces.

    I suspect the regulars to these kind of threads feel the same way. It gets tedious after a while, because few really want to listen. Same arguments are made, and those same arguments are dismissed with the same shallow objections.
    It would be considered racist to even suggest that this subject should be studied.

    It might be considered racist (by some) to analyse them and put forward certain 'truths'... but anyone can look at the statistics and draw their own conclusions. You or the other poster might even get to look at the raw data, which are often presented in various reports... it's just that few people want to look at the actual statistics, and prefer to have someone interpret the info for them.


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