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Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

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    #3572
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Deleted User wrote: »


    Its mostly taught as part of a classical English language education. It is still taught like that in many universities. Not really social studies.
    Its something that they take though. Trust me.


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    #3573
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    This thread just comes off as a load of bitter people dumbing on this guy for doing the best who could with his life

    Begrudgery.


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    #3574
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I see it differently ..and as we are unlikely to see eye to eye ...its useless really to continue.

    Pretty much. :D


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    #3575
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Haha, Chaucer isn’t “difficult”! ‘The Canterbury Tales’, that is.

    Some parts can drag on but it’s certainly not as boring as, say, Langland’s ‘Piers Plowman’. But you couldn’t, really, call that “difficult” either.

    It's probably more difficult than grievance studies. Or course both medieval texts and old English in particular are going to be difficult for people coming in with a fairly weak A level, which might also be the reason.


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    #3576
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    This thread just comes off as a load of bitter people dumbing on this guy for doing the best who could with his life

    Begrudgery.

    I thought you were going to leave it? :rolleyes:

    It's not "begrudgery". It's nothing to do with envy. It's feeling that the person doesn't deserve the place.

    He failed his asylum application, and since he's gotten this position, he will be allowed to stay, and likely receive funding/supports (since he's apparently poor) to provide for him while he's here.

    I feel that the position and funding would be better given to either an Irish native, a European, or an approved asylum seeker. You feel different. Grand.


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    #3577
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users Posts: 10,561 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40213340.html

    “Thousands of Brazilians have taken to the streets for a second day to call for the impeachment of President Jair Bolsonaro, who is under fire for his government’s response to coronavirus which has killed more than 216,000 people in the country.”

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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    #3578
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,894 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40213340.html

    “Thousands of Brazilians have taken to the streets for a second day to call for the impeachment of President Jair Bolsonaro, who is under fire for his government’s response to coronavirus which has killed more than 216,000 people in the country.”

    How is that woke?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #3579
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought you were going to leave it? :rolleyes:

    It's not "begrudgery". It's nothing to do with envy. It's feeling that the person doesn't deserve the place.

    You think another inhumane phd student was lining up behind him? Doesn't seem like there would be many to take it away from.

    Lots of people don't deserve their success and lots of people who don't have success deserve it.

    Shrug.


    Maybe he just deserved it in a diff way.

    Give a guy a break dude.


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    #3580
    Rothko
    Registered Users Posts: 12,846 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    How is that woke?

    He has no idea what woke is.


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    #3581
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    You think another inhumane phd student was lining up behind him? Doesn't seem like there would be many to take it away from.

    Based on what? Courses that lack students don't stay on a program for long. So, it makes more sense that there would be other students aiming to take the position, and probably waiting on responses to their own applications.
    Lots of people don't deserve their success and lots of people who don't have success deserve it.

    Shrug.

    What success? He got a Masters through a scholarship in South Africa. That's the only success I see so far. He got refused on his asylum application. So... where's the success? Oh! you mean being successful in bypassing our immigration system. Yeah..
    Maybe he just deserved it in a diff way.

    Give a guy a break dude.

    Why should I? Had he been accepted under the Asylum process, I'd have no issue with the university or government providing the place and funding for his PHD (although I think the course itself is inappropriate, and will just lead to a more divided society in the future).


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    #3582
    IAMAMORON
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    I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

    I recognise the behemoth controversial elephant in the room there, but it is the prerogative of the university to offer the PhD.

    I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.


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    #3583
    Hellokitty1212
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 285 ✭✭Hellokitty1212


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

    I recognise the behemoth controversial elephant in the room there, but it is the prerogative of the university to offer the PhD.

    I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.

    Because a failed application for asylum should be followed by a swift deportation.


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    #3584
    NewMan1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭NewMan1982


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

    I recognise the behemoth controversial elephant in the room there, but it is the prerogative of the university to offer the PhD.

    I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.

    If his asylum has been rejected then he is not a legal citizen.
    I am assuming the Irish state will not be on the hook for an expenses whatsoever for someone who has been refused entry?

    If his PHD is costing the state money then Im absolutely opposed to it. If he is not costing the state money then my other objection would be if an Irish citizen had applied and was refused.

    There is plenty of legal citizens that we could fund in their endeavours.


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    #3585
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,856 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How is Chaucer or any of the old or mediaeval English stuff "colonisation". It was long before the colonial era.

    English colonialism started long before Chaucer was born with Wales.


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    #3586
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    English colonialism started long before Chaucer was born with Wales.
    Leading up to the mediaeval period "England" was being invaded by numerous European tribes, Vikings, Anglo Saxons Normans , even the Irish invaded Scotland. The invaders of Wales were the Normans who were at the time still rulers of the Anglo Saxons who had invaded centuries earlier.


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    #3587
    COVID
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭COVID


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Leading up to the mediaeval period "England" was being invaded by numerous European tribes, Vikings, Anglo Saxons Normans , even the Irish invaded Scotland. The invaders of Wales were the Normans who were at the time still rulers of the Anglo Saxons who had invaded centuries earlier.

    ''Woke-ism of the day'':confused:


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    #3588
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

    Because the whole reason this bum is in the country is on the back of his bogus asylum claim.


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    #3589
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Rothko wrote: »
    He has no idea what woke is.

    To "put" it "mildly"


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    #3590
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It might not be immediately clear but even the fact that TUD are offering such a PhD is a good example, symptom and cause of the woke nonsense. If only ITs were focussed on industry and practical education.


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    #3591
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,856 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

    I recognise the behemoth controversial elephant in the room there, but it is the prerogative of the university to offer the PhD.

    I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.


    He can apply for asylum...where if successful he can be offered safety, accommodation and healthcare... free gratis.... that costs tens of thousands per individual accepted over a year.. we the citizens pay for that...should we also see an Irish person overlooked for that place in third level in addition to the tens of thousands we pay for the upkeep and comforts of said individual ? No chance should we do that...


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    #3592
    NewMan1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭NewMan1982


    It’s probably time to move on from the PHD issue. We aren’t going to agree on it.


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    #3593
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    English colonialism started long before Chaucer was born with Wales.

    Colonialism - A word used by some to justify denial of UK citizens' rights.


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    #3594
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    IAMAMORON wrote: »

    I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.

    unless he has a benevolent sponspor - we are paying for it
    so it is our business. very much so.
    This was sneaky way to circumvent our process
    NewMan1982 wrote: »
    If his asylum has been rejected then he is not a legal citizen.
    I am assuming the Irish state will not be on the hook for an expenses whatsoever for someone who has been refused entry?

    If his PHD is costing the state money then Im absolutely opposed to it. If he is not costing the state money then my other objection would be if an Irish citizen had applied and was refused.

    There is plenty of legal citizens that we could fund in their endeavours.

    agreed
    and what a fcuking course too - a PHd in white man bad
    what is he gonna do with that but sit on an NGO or a university sucking more taxpayers money from our childrens hospitals.


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    #3595
    Esho
    Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Esho


    Danzy wrote: »
    The modern left is going through a Red Guard, Year Zero period of madness.

    Yes, because they cant do f all about zero hours contracts and so much cheap work


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    #3596
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Strumms wrote: »
    He can apply for asylum...where if successful he can be offered safety, accommodation and healthcare... free gratis.... that costs tens of thousands per individual accepted over a year.. we the citizens pay for that...should we also see an Irish person overlooked for that place in third level in addition to the tens of thousands we pay for the upkeep and comforts of said individual ? No chance should we do that...

    More begrudgery.

    This nonsense about a few grand for an asylum seeker to do a PhD... as if he is making the country broke.

    Oh , and ... some poor little Irish student didn't get a course as result, oh no?

    " overlooked " - how destitute.

    The plight of the modern Irish student, the neglection onset by the scourge parasite of the foreign student, taking all our college places.


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    #3597
    AdrianBalboa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭AdrianBalboa


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    More begrudgery.

    This nonsense about a few grand for an asylum seeker to do a PhD... as if he is making the country broke.

    Oh , and ... some poor little Irish student didn't get a course as result, oh no?

    " overlooked " - how destitute.

    The plight of the modern Irish student, the neglection onset by the scourge parasite of the foreign student, taking all our college places.

    It’s interesting that the kind of people who moan about any of kind of positive discrimination ie hiring more women in management positions are also the same kind of people who think university places should be kept only for Irish people.


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    #3598
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I love the way the core objection has been consistently ignored. That the person was refused Asylum, but giving him this course position, allows him to stay in the country. And since he's poor, the University or the government will have to provide a standard of living for him in Dublin.

    Instead, we get a ream of posters who try to guilt posters into agreeing that "it's a good thing". Typical woke nonsense. If you disagree with the virtue signalling, then you're a bad person, begrudging the success of others.
    AdrianBalboa wrote:
    It’s interesting that the kind of people who moan about any of kind of positive discrimination ie hiring more women in management positions are also the same kind of people who think university places should be kept only for Irish people.

    And you're basing this on what?


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    #3599
    CarProblem
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭CarProblem


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    It’s interesting that the kind of people who moan about any of kind of positive discrimination ie hiring more women in management positions

    Who "moans" about more women in management positions? If the person being hired/promoted is the best/most suitable applicant go for it (regardless of gender, race etc)

    I'm not claiming my cohort of friends, colleagues, acquaintances are representative of the Irish population but I know a grand total of zero women in favour of gender quotas. I would often hear words to the effect of "I'd be mortified if I only got my position due to being a woman"


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    #3600
    CarProblem
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭CarProblem


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And you're basing this on what?

    Tbh I always assumed the poster in question was a WUM


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    #3601
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    CarProblem wrote: »
    Who "moans" about more women in management positions?

    Well if I am being really really honest ......
    Only messing girls , cheeky smiley face


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