Unquiet graves RTE 1 tonight.....9.30pm

16-09-2020 8:43pm #1

Very good documentry on RTE tonight on a series of 120 upto 150 unsolved murders,by one gang during the troubles,compelling viewing

Here is twitter page for its
https://mobile.twitter.com/glenannefilm?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

And a general outline on what its about,

https://www.balls.ie/the-rewind/unquiet-graves-447580

I know people are busy etc,but this is a rare instance of an rte programme,worth watching and v.informative

McGinniesta · 16-09-2020 9:13pm

Between this and 24 hour covid news bombardment I think it's time for a few cans and some fart porn

Beechwoodspark · 16-09-2020 10:28pm

Chilling stuff

Allegations that British military intelligence were proposing through proxies to attack a catholic primary school and kill children and teachers so as to ignite a full on civil war.

16-09-2020 10:45pm

Jesus

So,much concrete evidence about.....its irrefutable now

Kylta · 16-09-2020 10:52pm

Its a repeat,

skinny90 · 16-09-2020 11:39pm

Suprised there is no thread on this, Did anyone watch it on RTÉ tonight?
This had me stuck to my seat.
For anyone who doesn’t fully understand the level of British governments and police involvement with these gang members it will be a walk up call

If you havnt I’d recommend
“
A NEW film which tells the story of the British state directed killings and its role in the murder of more than 120 civilians in counties Armagh and Tyrone will be broadcast on RTÉ One tonight.

Unquiet Graves: The story of the Glenanne Gang, details how institutions of the British state, including British military intelligence used proxy forces like the RUC and UDR in the murder of the innocent civilians and political opponents during the conflict in the six counties.

The main focus of the programme is the role of the British controlled and run loyalist gang and their operations in the so-called "murder triangle" area.

The documentary claims state direction to facilitat the actions of known sectarian murderers in the killings of farmers, shopkeepers, publicans and other civilians in a campaign that was aimed at terrorising the most vulnerable in society.

Premiered last year at the Belfast Film Festival, the film's screening tonight on RTÉ One will be the first time it is screened on a mainstream TV channel, following RTÉ's decision to pull it from a planned broadcast in July 2019.

At the time, Seán Murray said the postponement was due to "minor broadcast issues", which led to criticism of RTÉ on social media, including from viewers whop accused the broadcaster of "censorship".
“

saabsaab · 16-09-2020 11:58pm

It should come as no surprise. Look at the murder of Patrick Finucane one of the most high profile cases. There were also strong links in the Dublin Monaghan bombings.

Solli · 17-09-2020 1:05am

The story does not end there. Drew Harris was appointed by FG as Garda Commissioner. He was also involved, see below.

“In 2010, then Assistant Chief Constable Drew Harris wrote a letter to the legal representatives of UVF victims telling them that they would not get an investigation into the wider questions raised by the activities of the Glenanne gang. The most significant wider question was the extent of state involvement in the gang and its murderous activities, including the deaths of at least 89 people.

In writing this letter, Drew Harris, who is now Deputy Chief Constable, was subverting a decade of assurance that the UK government had given to the Committee of Minister of the Council of Europe that investigations into state killings would be carried out independently and would examine patterns, links to reveal systematic violations by the state of the right to life enshrined in Article 2 of the European Convention of Human Rights.“

Source
https://www.relativesforjustice.com/drew-harris-must-resign-in-light-of-glenanne-judgment/

UDAWINNER · 17-09-2020 1:16am

Watched it myself, truly chilling that none of the fcuckers will ever be charged, planning to kill a load of children and they have their apologists. Another reason that rat Harris should never have been appointed to the gardai. The same rat that tried to influence the vote with BS remarks about SF.

17-09-2020 1:25am

It's a pity the UK media won't be showing this. Time was the BBC had a tiny bit of independence, ITV made proper content and proper investigatory piece but now they're just soaps and reality TV and "hard-hitting" drama while Channel 4 show people watching TV and getting diseased parts of their bodies out for the cameras.

McMurphy · 17-09-2020 8:19am

Surprised that there wasn't already a thread started on this documentary which was aired on RTE1 last night.

I was already aware of the collusion that had taken place between loyalist paramilitaries, State Security forces, and the British Govt, but to watch scenes reconstructed where innocent people were shot dead simply because they were Catholic, with RUC members (the equivalent of our Gardai) not only present, but actively partaking in the murders, dressed in uniform, and driving police cars and sometimes the murderers within them - away from the scene.

Have to admit, even though much of what took place happened before I was born (80s child) - it was still quite chilling to watch.

Considering they (the Catholics murdered) had the British Government, top civil servants, members of the security forces including the locally recruited and seriously compromised army regiment the UDR, and the states police force, colluding with, and in many instances actually operating alongside loyalist paramilitaries, they didn't really stand a chance.

Who else watched it, and what was your opinion?

dundalkfc10 · 17-09-2020 8:22am

McMurphy wrote: »

Surprised that there wasn't already a thread started on this documentary which was aired on RTE1 last night.

I was already aware of the collusion that had taken place between loyalist paramilitaries, State Security forces, and the British Govt, but to watch scenes reconstructed where innocent people were shot dead simply because they were Catholic, with RUC members (the equivalent of our Gardai) not only present, but actively partaking in the murders, dressed in uniform, and driving police cars and sometimes the murderers within them - away from the scene.

Have to admit, even though much of what took place happened before I was born (80s child) - it was still quite chilling to watch.

Considering they (the Catholics murdered) had the British Government, top civil servants, members of the security forces including the locally recruited and seriously compromised army regiment the UDR, and the states police force, colluding with, and in many instances actually operating alongside loyalist paramilitaries, they didn't really stand a chance.

Who else watched it, and what was your opinion?

Mr Drew Harris will be hiding away for a few days aswell (He needs to be gone)

bocaman · 17-09-2020 8:55am

Why are people so astonished. Everyone knew there was collusion between the RUC and various loyalist death squads. It was classic counter insurgency tactics by the British government. As stated in the documentary they used they same tactics in Africa as tehir empire collapsed post WW2.

FrancieBrady · 17-09-2020 9:39am

Across social media those quick to the tweet or boards.ie moral high grounding about non state players responsibilities are curiously quiet.

Worth reposting this.

https://villagemagazine.ie/a-recent-bbc-spotlight-programme-reinforced-the-inconvenient-truth-that-there-was-widespread-collusion-across-the-loyalist-spectrum-from-the-dup-to-the-uvf-to-mi5/

smurgen · 17-09-2020 10:23am

Mr Justice Tracey accused Drew Harris of "extreme" abuse of power in closing down the investigation into collusion. Does this ring alarm bells for people?

https://twitter.com/CiaranShevlin/status/1306485844224684032?s=09

ILoveYourVibes · 17-09-2020 10:46am

I watched parts of it ..right after finding out how much the brits are ****ing with the GFA .....

I cried ....the kids!

It was ....I mean there HAS to be a better way to live than this.

It feels like we have no control ...like we are rowing as hard as we can against the tide ....but its no good.

Like we are doing all we can WE are obeying all the rules ..trying to be diplomatic ..i mean you could say our politicians are even OVERLY politely to unionists.

But its no good ....

Granadino · 17-09-2020 10:47am

Needs to be shown in England. Waste of time preaching to the converted.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-09-2020 10:48am

Granadino wrote: »

Needs to be shown in England. Waste of time preaching to the converted.

Yes.

tdf7187 · 17-09-2020 11:45am

Credit to RTE for this. The Irish media, including RTE, usually only focus on republican 'atrocities' while pretending the other sides' never happened.

You see the results in the West Brit tendency right here boards.ie, who would make you believe the Provos were literally worse than the Nazis.

tdf7187 · 17-09-2020 11:47am

Granadino wrote: »

Needs to be shown in England. Waste of time preaching to the converted.

Disagree, many Irish people are in complete ignorance, due to the 'Irish' media being for the most part - particularly but not limited to the Independent group - aggressively anti-nationalist, partitionist, and pro-Loyalist.

17-09-2020 1:38pm

In a previous job,our garda commissioner ordered all inquiries into this closed down...inspite of what seems over whelming evidence

150 innocent people,with no paramilitary connections killed for simply being catholic.......serious qs need answering

piplip87 · 17-09-2020 2:12pm

I've said it all along the Brits where just as bad as the IRA. Same scum different uniforms.

maccored · 17-09-2020 2:21pm

bocaman wrote: »

Why are people so astonished. Everyone knew there was collusion between the RUC and various loyalist death squads. It was classic counter insurgency tactics by the British government. As stated in the documentary they used they same tactics in Africa as tehir empire collapsed post WW2.

nationalists in the north have been saying it for years and were being told a government wouldnt do such things.

James Brown · 17-09-2020 2:23pm

piplip87 wrote: »

I've said it all along the Brits where just as bad as the IRA. Same scum different uniforms.

'the Brits' were supposed to be the state sanctioned legal and law abiding element.

dan1895 · 17-09-2020 2:26pm

Kylta wrote: »

Its a repeat,

It wasn't actually shown last year as it got pulled the day before it was meant to air.

smurgen · 17-09-2020 3:50pm

This is unbelievable to me really and the sore fact is the main reason the terrorist gang refuse request to do this was that they wouldn't because of fear of retaliation of the IRA. The lack of action of the Irish government is criminal.

https://twitter.com/StevenMcD13/status/1306354438106472453?s=19

piplip87 · 17-09-2020 9:16pm

Bowie wrote: »

'the Brits' were supposed to be the state sanctioned legal and law abiding element.

In the eyes of the IRA at the time they where the official army of the state founded in 1919. So same scum different uniforms..

Sunny Disposition · 17-09-2020 9:19pm

It was very good, if you look back it’s amazing how little we in the South heard about the plight of Catholics at the time. Basically the whole thing was blamed on the IRA by most of the Southern media. Now the IRA did awful things and deserved to be condemned but the North was clearly toxic when the police were planting bombs hoping to kill civilians.

maccored · 17-09-2020 9:35pm

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

It was very good, if you look back it’s amazing how little we in the South heard about the plight of Catholics at the time. Basically the whole thing was blamed on the IRA by most of the Southern media. Now the IRA did awful things and deserved to be condemned but the North was clearly toxic when the police were planting bombs hoping to kill civilians.

for some reason, some on this forum think its some form of competition of who was the worse. The simple point is, you cant blame a people for arming themselves and fighting back when its somewhere like the north. started with civil rights and ended up with bombing, shooting, maiming and killing. nobody wanted that, but its what happens when you try to control a part of the population because of their nationality.

tdf7187 · 17-09-2020 11:43pm

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

It was very good, if you look back it’s amazing how little we in the South heard about the plight of Catholics at the time. Basically the whole thing was blamed on the IRA by most of the Southern media. Now the IRA did awful things and deserved to be condemned but the North was clearly toxic when the police were planting bombs hoping to kill civilians.

We did hear about at at the time. But there has been a whitewashing of the British state's crimes in Ireland by much of the 'Irish' media over the last few decades. Look into Eoghan Harris's repression of pro-nationalist sentiment on RTE during the 1980s, for example, the broadcasting ban and so on. Credit to RTE for getting its fingers out of its you-know-where on this occasion.

Normal One · 17-09-2020 11:44pm

It's quite telling that FFG have zero comment to make.

FrancieBrady · 18-09-2020 1:12am

Normal One wrote: »

It's quite telling that FFG have zero comment to make.

If you want to know why the British got away with all they did as layers in the conflict/war you could do worse than look at the silence from the power swap parties and partitionists in general today.

A people abandoned to their fate since partition.

Coillte_Bhoy · 18-09-2020 2:23am

The silence in the broadcast media has been deafening or have i missed something? Been on holidays so kind of switched off

ILoveYourVibes · 18-09-2020 5:53am

Honestly ....the Irish state needs to come up with a plan of what it IS to do if this happens again.

If they don't ...history will repeat and paramilitaries will take control.

I don't mean military action because that would be ridic ...but something.

smurgen · 18-09-2020 7:26am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Honestly ....the Irish state needs to come up with a plan of what it IS to do if this happens again.

If they don't ...history will repeat and paramilitaries will take control.

I don't mean military action because that would be ridic ...but something.

We're primed for this to happen again. Dominic Raab proudly saying he hadn't read the GFA days ago despite it being 35 pages long. Brexit turning nastier by the day. Don't worry tho I'm sure if there's loyalist attacks in Ireland Drew Harris will get right on it.....

Edgware · 18-09-2020 9:11am

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

It was very good, if you look back it’s amazing how little we in the South heard about the plight of Catholics at the time. Basically the whole thing was blamed on the IRA by most of the Southern media. Now the IRA did awful things and deserved to be condemned but the North was clearly toxic when the police were planting bombs hoping to kill civilians.

Maybe if you had listened to news reports and read newspapers you would have heard. I dont believe that there was one killing that was not reported. "Most of the Irish media"!
I cant remember the media blaming the IRA for Bloody Sunday, Shankill Butchers, the Reavey and O Dowd killings. Peddling lies doesnt help the situation

smurgen · 18-09-2020 9:35am

Edgware wrote: »

Maybe if you had listened to news reports and read newspapers you would have heard. I dont believe that there was one killing that was not reported. "Most of the Irish media"!
I cant remember the media blaming the IRA for Bloody Sunday, Shankill Butchers, the Reavey and O Dowd killings. Peddling lies doesnt help the situation

Was there calls for LV to come clean during the election about the Dublin and Monaghan bombings? For his Garda commissioner to give us the details of the murders?

FrancieBrady · 18-09-2020 9:40am

Edgware wrote: »

Maybe if you had listened to news reports and read newspapers you would have heard. I dont believe that there was one killing that was not reported. "Most of the Irish media"!
I cant remember the media blaming the IRA for Bloody Sunday, Shankill Butchers, the Reavey and O Dowd killings. Peddling lies doesnt help the situation

The media here certainly did buy into the Widgery whitewash of Bloody Sunday, which claimed that the those killed on Bloody Sunday were subversives.
The deaths were also certainly reported but did our journalists EVER look at the wider picture?
SF were shouting for years about collusion and dirty tricks and they were ridiculed by the media here and censored and banned from our airwaves.

The truth is that our media was as complicit in the silence as our successive governments were.

Edgware · 18-09-2020 9:55am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The media here certainly did buy into the Widgery whitewash of Bloody Sunday, which claimed that the those killed on Bloody Sunday were subversives.
The deaths were also certainly reported but did our journalists EVER look at the wider picture?
SF were shouting for years about collusion and dirty tricks and they were ridiculed by the media here and censored and banned from our airwaves.

The truth is that our media was as complicit in the silence as our successive governments were.

SF should have been given airtime to show their justification for the slaughter of youngsters on a night out in Birmingham. I doubt that even the psychopath Daithi O Conaill could justify that

Edgware · 18-09-2020 9:59am

smurgen wrote: »

Was there calls for LV to come clean during the election about the Dublin and Monaghan bombings? For his Garda commissioner to give us the details of the murders?

DEFLECT DEFLECT INCOMING!

You inferred that the media did not report on certain killings when if you check back the various media outlets you will find that every killing was reported as well as instances where people "disappeared" Dont deflect by hitting on the Dublin Monaghan issue

FrancieBrady · 18-09-2020 10:01am

Edgware wrote: »

SF should have been given airtime to show their justification for the slaughter of youngsters on a night out in Birmingham. I doubt that even the psychopath Daithi O Conaill could justify that

But Edgware, you miss the point. The British were given all the airtime they wanted to sit on the higher moral ground, point the finger and not one of our darling media or indeed our political class challenged them even though many many people were saying what was happening.

SF could have been challenged, questioned and maligned but it was totally wrong that they were silenced (when they had an obvious democratic mandate) and it only allowed the British to act with impunity - my original point.
Our media is sadly not independent even to this day and it has cost us dearly as an island.

Edgware · 18-09-2020 10:04am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The media here certainly did buy into the Widgery whitewash of Bloody Sunday, which claimed that the those killed on Bloody Sunday were subversives.
The deaths were also certainly reported but did our journalists EVER look at the wider picture?
SF were shouting for years about collusion and dirty tricks and they were ridiculed by the media here and censored and banned from our airwaves.

The truth is that our media was as complicit in the silence as our successive governments were.

Widgery walked in to the Bloody Sunday enquiry the first day wearing his military medals.
A number of journalists commented on it and his report was discredited immediately on issue. I cannot recall one journalist or politician in the Republic ever laying the blame at the marchers or labelling them terrorists. If you have evidence of that throw it up or else get off the pot

Edgware · 18-09-2020 10:05am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But Edgware, you miss the point. The British were given all the airtime they wanted to sit on the higher moral ground, point the finger and not one of our darling media or indeed our political class challenged them even though many many people were saying what was happening.

SF could have been challenged, questioned and maligned but it was totally wrong that they were silenced (when they had an obvious democratic mandate) and it only allowed the British to act with impunity - my original point.
Our media is sadly not independent even to this day and it has cost us dearly as an island.

What democratic mandate had SF got in 1970 to 1982 ?

Also check out the many articles published by Tim Pat Coogan (The Irish Press) John. Mulcahy (Hibernia) Nell McCafferty, Raymond Smith, Fr Denis Faul which constantly raised British excesses. What you want is a one way attack on the British/Loyalist atrocities and ignore or justify the Provo/Officials/INLA atrocities

18-09-2020 10:15am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

The silence in the broadcast media has been deafening or have i missed something? Been on holidays so kind of switched off

Its astonishing....garda commissionor helped cover up blantent murder by the RUC,an ocean of evidence available and not an iota or 2nd taught given to it by media or government here

What other country carries on like this

FrancieBrady · 18-09-2020 10:18am

Edgware wrote: »

Widgery walked in to the Bloody Sunday enquiry the first day wearing his military medals.
A number of journalists commented on it and his report was discredited immediately on issue. I cannot recall one journalist or politician in the Republic ever laying the blame at the marchers or labelling them terrorists. If you have evidence of that throw it up or else get off the pot

You are misquoting me. They bought into the Widgery report by not exposing what actually happened even though there were many saying clearly what happened.

Read any account of the victims and the difficulty they had getting the media here to take up their case. If you had watched Unquiet Graves you would have heard the victims there saying the exact same thing about getting the Irish government and media interested in their cases.
Like Widgery you are engaging in a defensive whitewash Edgware - no surprises there.

Coillte_Bhoy · 18-09-2020 10:26am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But Edgware, you miss the point. The British were given all the airtime they wanted to sit on the higher moral ground, point the finger and not one of our darling media or indeed our political class challenged them even though many many people were saying what was happening.

SF could have been challenged, questioned and maligned but it was totally wrong that they were silenced (when they had an obvious democratic mandate) and it only allowed the British to act with impunity - my original point.
Our media is sadly not independent even to this day and it has cost us dearly as an island.

They had miniscule electoral support prior to the ban being removed so not sure what you mean by a 'mandate'

Edgware · 18-09-2020 10:39am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are misquoting me. They bought into the Widgery report by not exposing what actually happened even though there were many saying clearly what happened.

Read any account of the victims and the difficulty they had getting the media here to take up their case. If you had watched Unquiet Graves you would have heard the victims there saying the exact same thing about getting the Irish government and media interested in their cases.
Like Widgery you are engaging in a defensive whitewash Edgware - no surprises there.

No. Its you that are engaging in a whitewash having already being brainwashed. Changing the argument mid stream to suit your agenda fools no one

Edgware · 18-09-2020 10:40am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its astonishing....garda commissionor helped cover up blantent murder by the RUC,an ocean of evidence available and not an iota or 2nd taught given to it by media or government here

What other country carries on like this

blantent?

maccored · 18-09-2020 11:01am

Edgware wrote: »

blantent?

another security forces apologist

FrancieBrady · 18-09-2020 11:01am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

They had miniscule electoral support prior to the ban being removed so not sure what you mean by a 'mandate'

Minuscule is still a mandate.
Try silencing any party on the same level of support and you will get told the same thing.

Edgeware and yourself and anyone having doubts about the argument should ask themselves how familiar they are with the names of the victims highlighted in Unquiet Graves, then look at how familiar you are with the selected victims of the media here...the Jean McConville's, Gerry McCabe's, etc etc.
Those names are on the tips of the tongues of a certain set and the reason they are, while others have been long ignored (until their shouts cannot be ignored any longer) says everything you need to know in fairness.

18-09-2020 11:13am

maccored wrote: »

another security forces apologist

All concerned about ira killings....but anyone dare qs why garda commissioner shut down inquiries into 150 murders or point out media/government silence in face of a wave of evidence.....and your met with white noise and obstrusion

Pure and utter joke of a country we have

Unquiet graves RTE 1 tonight.....9.30pm

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