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    #2
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Because kids know what a VPN is and how they work.

    Why roll out an absolutely pointless system which is bound to do nothing and will cost a fortune to implement?

    Education is far more important than knee-jerk reactions.


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    NIMAN
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    The trial that concluded the other day is more than enough evidence we need to ban minors from smart phones until they are at least 16.

    Every school should ban the use of smart mobile phones. End of.


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    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    NIMAN wrote: »
    The trial that concluded the other day is more than enough evidence we need to ban minors from smart phones until they are at least 16.

    Every school should ban the use of mobile phones. End of.

    Explain your logic there?

    The case was an absolutely tragedy, but literally thousands of kids in Ireland have smart phones and would never commit such a crime.


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    Woke Hogan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    NIMAN wrote: »
    The trial that concluded the other day is more than enough evidence we need to ban minors from smart phones until they are at least 16.

    Every school should ban the use of smart mobile phones. End of.
    Kids don't just use smartphones in school, many of them have access to smartphones at home.


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    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    NIMAN wrote: »
    The trial that concluded the other day is more than enough evidence we need to ban minors from smart phones until they are at least 16.

    Every school should ban the use of smart mobile phones. End of.

    What? You think that smart phones create monstors?
    Best tell the parents of Jamie Bolger your solution.


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    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,409 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Wasn't there a privacy issue with presenting ID and accessing a porn site?


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    The trial that concluded the other day is more than enough evidence we need to ban minors from smart phones until they are at least 16.

    Every school should ban the use of smart mobile phones. End of.

    More rapes/murders are carried out by adults than minors, sure lets just close down the internet and go back to mobile phones of the 90's.

    Age verification is never going to work, as pointed out kids these days are tech savvy and know how to easily bypass these checks. Education by schools and more importantly parents is what's needed.


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    Omackeral
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    OP is now on a list after choosing that thread title.


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    NIMAN
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Explain your logic there?

    The case was an absolutely tragedy, but literally thousands of kids in Ireland have smart phones and would never commit such a crime.

    Of course they would never commit such a crime, but many will access and watch videos that they shouldn't be watching.

    We are running the risk of damaging many young minds with access to inappropriate videos.

    What they do at home is the parents responsibility, unfortunately many parents don't give a toss.


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    Panthro
    Registered Users Posts: 14,684 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Give them all Nokia 3310s.
    Closest thing you'll find to a boob there is (.) (.)


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    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Why is the Taoiseach waiting to see how the UK's age verification check 'fairs' out before introducing such laws here!? It seems like a no brainer to me and if anything a great start.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/17/online-pornography-age-checks-to-be-mandatory-in-uk-from-15-july

    To answer your question, the UK is basically engaging in a programme of bankrupting it's self with a series of unicorn hunts:

    -The porn ban
    -Brexit
    -'Smart border technologies'
    -Ferry companies with no ferries
    -Trident
    etc.

    These are all things that consultants have told them, won't work, are too expensive and will be a waste of money, but as a nation they are absolutely determined to get themselves into their third bailout in a century. Last year the UK borrowed £18bn just to keep the lights on, not because they dont raise enough in taxation, they do, they just have a propensity for unicorn hunting. Irish FG, or tory-lite, have been flirting with similar impractical projects designed to bankrupt the state: National Broadband Plan, but the Irish public are more likely to slap that down than the Brits are.


    In essence it's a harebrained scheme to solve a problem that doesn't exist, that will create many other problems.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,406 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Of course they would never commit such a crime, but many will access and watch videos that they shouldn't be watching.

    We are running the risk of damaging many young minds with access to inappropriate videos.

    What they do at home is the parents responsibility, unfortunately many parents don't give a toss.

    I'm in a group chat with a bunch of lads i grew up with (18 in the group, average age late 40's early 50's) some of the things they send to the group are shocking and believe me i have seen some sights in my lifetime so it takes a lot to shock me.

    Even if you close down every porn site there are still apps like whatsapp where content gets shared.


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    Father Hernandez
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    Hamsterchops
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    Kids don't just use smartphones in school, many of them have access to smartphones at home.

    Kids (primary school) shouldn't have smart phones in the 1st place! Supervised access in school is fine though.


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    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    NIMAN wrote: »
    We are running the risk of damaging many young minds with access to inappropriate videos.

    They used to say that about books and theatre, it's a simplistic point of view. A video can't 'damage young minds'. It used to be close to impossible to access pornography in this country, only 30 years ago, you'd have to be physically in Dublin and know exactly where to go. Still, marital rape and violence was rampant, but there was no divorce so it was grand.


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    Ten of Swords
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    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Why is the Taoiseach waiting to see how the UK's age verification check 'fairs' out before introducing such laws here!? It seems like a no brainer to me and if anything a great start.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/17/online-pornography-age-checks-to-be-mandatory-in-uk-from-15-july

    Because it's technically unfeasible and would cost a fortune.

    He wants to see if the UK system will be declared a failure, in which case we dodged a bullet, or a success, in which case we can implement it at a fraction of the cost because the research and trial/error phase will be completed already

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

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    Blaizes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    NIMAN wrote: »
    The trial that concluded the other day is more than enough evidence we need to ban minors from smart phones until they are at least 16.

    Every school should ban the use of smart mobile phones. End of.

    More rapes/murders are carried out by adults than minors, sure lets just close down the internet and go back to mobile phones of the 90's.

    Age verification is never going to work, as pointed out kids these days are tech savvy and know how to easily bypass these checks. Education by schools and more importantly parents is what's needed.


    Something has to be done children can access porn, violent material etc then there is the whole area of children being bullied via social media. I would agree with you that we need more education but that alone is not going to work. Where twenty years ago a teenager could buy a top shelf magazine now they can view live streamed sex or even live killing. Wasn’t there a case about a killing in the US ( young people involved too if I remember correctly) and it is was live streamed and the people watching didn’t notify the police.

    There is just so much debate that needs to be had.


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    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    You could release software that makes accessing porn and dodgy sites harder to get to.

    It would certainly cut out any accidental porn finds.

    Education will help too.


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    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Blaizes wrote: »
    Something has to be done children can access porn, violent material etc then there is the whole area of children being bullied via social media.

    It's called parenting.
    Blaizes wrote: »
    Where twenty years ago a teenager could buy a top shelf magazine now they can view live streamed sex or even live killing.

    I really don't think such material is in any way easily accessible, unless you know the offender and are sharing content directly.
    Blaizes wrote: »
    Wasn’t there a case about a killing in the US ( young people involved too if I remember correctly) and it is was live streamed and the people watching didn’t notify the police.

    Really?


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    #21
    Sandor Clegane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    introducing pointless and silly laws in an attempt to block porn will do nothing more than cause inconvenience to people, maybe concerned parents would be better of you know, doing some parenting and stop trying to push the responsibility of what their children watch onto government and other people.

    I or anybody else shouldn't be inconvenienced just because you couldn't be bothered to monitor what your own child is watching online, I swear most people that have kids shouldn't be allowed to have them.


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    Blaizes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Blaizes wrote: »
    Something has to be done children can access porn, violent material etc then there is the whole area of children being bullied via social media.

    It's called parenting.
    Blaizes wrote: »
    Where twenty years ago a teenager could buy a top shelf magazine now they can view live streamed sex or even live killing.

    I really don't think such material is in any way easily accessible, unless you know the offender and are sharing content directly.
    Blaizes wrote: »
    Wasn’t there a case about a killing in the US ( young people involved too if I remember correctly) and it is was live streamed and the people watching didn’t notify the police.

    Really?

    Yes I read about, it was through one of the social media apps. I will try to link to the article I read about it.


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    #23
    [Deleted User]
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    amazing that nobody ever seems to think the latest news story *disproves* whatever ideas they had all along

    howling for censorship of *whatever i personally think is over the line* is a long-honoured tradition but functionally useless


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    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    If the UK go ahead with it, there'll be a short term opportunity (before it's binned), for an Irish entrepreneur to sell porn to the UK consumer at a price point lower than the proposed £5 single access card. Say €5, no ID required, all sorts of content.


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    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Of course they would never commit such a crime, but many will access and watch videos that they shouldn't be watching.

    We are running the risk of damaging many young minds with access to inappropriate videos.

    What they do at home is the parents responsibility, unfortunately many parents don't give a toss.

    I watched a bit of porn when i was 13/14 and probably had a good fap in the process. A friend used to find his parents stash and when they were out we’d all go around to his house for a matinee. I’m 48 now and it never done me any harm. Those kids were born evil bast*rds.


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    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    Because it's technically unfeasible and would cost a fortune.

    He wants to see if the UK system will be declared a failure, in which case we dodged a bullet, or a success, in which case we can implement it at a fraction of the cost because the research and trial/error phase will be completed already

    The smart thing to do really. I can't see it working, it's too easy to bypass and once one child does it they will tell others how to. In the worst case it might even push kids from the somewhat regulated internet to the dark web. It's just as easy if not easier to get onto the dark web than it is to get a VPN.


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    Blaizes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    Ok I stand corrected it was an attack. I don’t want to link to the article but it happened a google search would find it. Regarding parenting of course parents should parent but what happens when your child or teenager goes to the house of another child, a child who has internet access. My kids are still too young for phones but it’s starting to creep in ( the whole culture of wanting to have a phone) for the older one and with so much unsuitable content out there my child won’t be getting one for a long time but the culture of phones and internet is out there regardless.


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    [Deleted User]
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    be interesting to make a list of everything these kids did that most other kids do and then offer it up to be banned or not.

    ill start


    eat
    drink
    sleep
    wear clothes
    get the odd haircut


    i mean lads, these kids did a horrific crime ans we're just STANDING BY and ALLOWING OUR CHILDREN to HAVE HAIRCUTS oh the HUMANITY

    puerile stuff.


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    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Omackeral wrote: »
    OP is now on a list after choosing that thread title.

    agents nodding....


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    Reckless Abandonment
    Registered Users Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    cgcsb wrote: »
    To answer your question, the UK is basically engaging in a programme of bankrupting it's self with a series of unicorn hunts:

    -The porn ban
    -Brexit
    -'Smart border technologies'
    -Ferry companies with no ferries
    -Trident
    etc.

    These are all things that consultants have told them, won't work, are too expensive and will be a waste of money, but as a nation they are absolutely determined to get themselves into their third bailout in a century. Last year the UK borrowed £18bn just to keep the lights on, not because they dont raise enough in taxation, they do, they just have a propensity for unicorn hunting. Irish FG, or tory-lite, have been flirting with similar impractical projects designed to bankrupt the state: National Broadband Plan, but the Irish public are more likely to slap that down than the Brits are.


    In essence it's a harebrained scheme to solve a problem that doesn't exist, that will create many other problems.

    I do find it funny that the UK papers especially loved to blame the EU for crazy stupid laws. But now we can see they are more than capable of doing it to themselves


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    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    The most effective way to block children's access to porn is to install a filter on your WiFi and then don't give them admin access to any devices where they could install a VPN. That's what I'll be setting up for my much younger sister soon.

    Norton has a good porn filter you can direct your WiFi router to use and it's free.

    With the UKs solution where every site has to restrict access to UK users you can make your PC pretend to be in any other country in a matter or minutes the first time and a click of a button any time after that.


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