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Jimmy Saville exposed

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  • #52
    RoundyMooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    Giselle wrote: »
    Also I don't think its appropriate to reprint lists of ALLEGED transgressors. Posting lists of names and apparent crimes with no evidence or convictions is incredibly damaging to peoples reputations if untrue.

    We're already had someone make the infamous ''No smoke without fire'' blanket judgement.

    Very true. ITV are doing the former, when they should have done the latter, oh, anytime in the last thirty years or so?

    Given the amount of stories going around about Ole Jingle Jangle Jewellery, they'd have found plenty of people willing to come forward, I'm sure. And I'd imagine an oafish and semi-aggressive handling of a Nolan on camera would have been the least of it :)


  • #53
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    the man was an eccentric with long blonde hair who lived alone with his mother till she died and he never married

    ...hence idle gossip starts which then over the years turn into nasty rumours

    i personally don't believe any of it...why didn't his "victims" speak out when he was alive why wait till now when he can't defend himself


  • #54
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    mike65 wrote: »
    Not so clever herself! (wiki)

    A fourteen year old girl was felt up by a man in his fifties on television and then her character is subsequently questioned. I do wonder if this is an example of that victim blaming thing I've heard about.


  • #55
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    fryup wrote: »
    the man was an eccentric with long blonde hair who lived alone with his mother till she died and he never married

    ...hence idle gossip starts which then over the years turn into nasty rumours

    i personally don't believe any of it...why didn't his "victims" speak out when he was alive why wait till now when he can't defend himself

    Yeah, I'd tend to go along with this. Although I'd wait to hear more evidence before dismissing it entirely. So far this entire thread has been "look how weird he was, he must have been a pedophile!" and links to sites that likely have Jim Corr's stamp of approval all over them.


  • #56
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    I'm sure the Nolans disagree

    3:25 in
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JygLGzNhiD8&feature=player_detailpage#t=204s
    Hadn't seen that before.
    Quite nauseating that he got away with that on a TV show that had a huge audience.


  • #57
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    King Rhythmic Turbine wrote: »
    A fourteen year old girl was felt up by a man in his fifties on television and then her character is subsequently questioned. I do wonder if this is an example of that victim blaming thing I've heard about.

    or dead man never publicly accused when alive and not actually accused of anything yet when dead. But we're talking about it.


  • #58
    RoundyMooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    King Rhythmic Turbine wrote: »
    A fourteen year old girl was felt up by a man in his fifties on television and then her character is subsequently questioned. I do wonder if this is an example of that victim blaming thing I've heard about.

    To be fair, I don't think Mike was doing that. The footage speaks for itself. I do think he was making the point that she could have done something about it at the time, but didn't. It was prime time TV, and went unremarked upon at the time-which goes to show that we have come on a bit since then.

    Obviously nothing happened backstage in her case or it would have come out. Bear in mind, this was recorded a couple of years ago, when Saville was very much alive and dry cleaning The Duchess' dresses on an annual basis.

    Like I say, I'm a realist. Colleen Nolan is as daft as a box of frogs, and Saville was a very questionable character.


  • #59
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    fryup wrote: »

    i personally don't believe any of it...why didn't his "victims" speak out when he was alive why wait till now when he can't defend himself

    Well its two different things.

    Lots of victims of sexual crimes never utter their attackers name until after they're dead. Some people are literally so traumatised that they believe they'll come after them if they say anything.

    If a person is attacked as a child, often they're kept quiet with the ''who's going to believe you anyway?'' type manipulation, and I can imagine a celebrity would be able to wield more sway with they ''who would they believe, you or me?'' type line.

    I'm not saying this is the case, but its not that case either that people who come forward after the death of the alleged abuser are always liars.

    In fact assuming accusers are liars is every bit as wrong in my eyes, as assuming all those accused are automatically guilty.


  • #60
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Morlar wrote: »
    Wasn't he a colleague of Jonathan King too ? That's at least two bbc primetime (1970's & 1980's era) personalities involved in abuse of children.

    At the time of Jonathan Kings imprisonment the Metropolitan Police made no secret of the fact that he was part of a gang of 4 '' high profile '' music industry types who were involved , lack of evidence meant only King was prosecuted.
    A friend of mine in The Met named the others to me - one was Jimmy Saville , one was a producer whose name I can't remember and the third was........... ( still alive so can't say )


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  • #61
    Pottler
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    This should be huge, considering the names involved, especially those mentioned in Biggins's posts. I wonder will it be, or will it be buried. I have a fairly jaundiced view of the Judiciary as well in this regard, so maybe it will all just "go away". Bigger issues have been swept under the carpet, so supressing/discrediting this should be no biggie.


  • #62
    steelcityblues
    Registered Users Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    Several people coming forward to speak for this documentary too - can't believe that many would be stupid enough to make something like this up.

    There is a clip of him on TOTP grabbing a teenage Coleen Nolan's breast, too.


  • #63
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    RoundyMooney wrote: »
    I do think he was making the point that she could have done something about it at the time, but didn't.

    Kids need defending, because they aren't great at defending themselves sometimes.

    She was just 14, don't put it on her.


  • #64
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Giselle wrote: »
    Also I don't think its appropriate to reprint lists of ALLEGED transgressors. Posting lists of names and apparent crimes with no evidence or convictions is incredibly damaging to peoples reputations if untrue.

    +1

    Bizarre stuff indeed.


  • #65
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    RoundyMooney wrote: »
    To be fair, I don't think Mike was doing that. The footage speaks for itself. I do think he was making the point that she could have done something about it at the time, but didn't. It was prime time TV, and went unremarked upon at the time-which goes to show that we have come on a bit since then.

    I'd say she was probably a bit innocent to the man-handling beyond thinking "oooh, this is weird" and it probably came across less paedo-ey than creepy uncle in her mind. Especially then. She could've forgot all about it until they asked her about it for that documentary for all we know.
    Like I say, I'm a realist. Colleen Nolan is as daft as a box of frogs, and Saville was a very questionable character.

    She may be but it's inappropriate to dismiss her being pawed over by a man nearly four times her age just because she's probably a bit soft in the head.

    I agree with what you're saying about their timing though. It's ridiculously classless and exploitative. Even if the accusations are true.


  • #66
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I find it hard to believe the Jimmy Saville provided kids for Gordon Brown to molest.


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  • #67
    Delancey
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    Coleen Nolan is a pretty poor example - how she or any subject remotely connected to her can be taken seriously is beyond me.


  • #68
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    Delancey wrote: »
    Coleen Nolan is a pretty poor example - how she or any subject remotely connected to her can be taken seriously is beyond me.

    In a video posted on the previous page, she's a 14 year old kid being mauled and groped by an old man.

    How can anyone NOT take that seriously?


  • #69
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe the Jimmy Saville provided kids for Gordon Brown to molest.

    It also made reference to Tony Blair being a toilet trader, to use Uncle Monty's vernacular.


  • #70
    steelcityblues
    Registered Users Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    It also made reference to Tony Blair being a toilet trader, to use Uncle Monty's vernacular.

    He sold that WMD crap.


  • #71
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    steelcityblues wrote: »
    He sold that WMD crap.

    Connect the dots for me


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  • #72
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,031 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I hope this is not true. If it is, it'll only add to the stigma faced by older men who aren't married. "Single at 40? Must be something wrong with him..."

    I remember the allegations that were made against Arthur C. Clarke after he was Knighted in 1998. He had been married briefly but it didn't last, and he moved to Sri Lanka for the climate and to pursue his love of SCUBA diving. Single guy in an exotic Asian country ... suspicious? Nothing more has been said about the allegations since he died in 2008.

    Death has this much to be said for it:
    You don’t have to get out of bed for it.
    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

    — Kingsley Amis



  • #73
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe the Jimmy Saville provided kids for Gordon Brown to molest.
    Why ... because he's Gorden Brown ? People didn't think parish priests and other ' pillars of the community' were capable of molesting children ...but they did /do

    ''The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to make people think he didn't exist ''
    Delancey wrote: »
    Coleen Nolan is a pretty poor example - how she or any subject remotely connected to her can be taken seriously is beyond me.
    I guess that says nothing about the thousands of 'poor ' kids 'who have been subjected to serious sexual abuse either ....like they might be poor examples and not to be taking serious when accusations are made .

    You didn't have to be a genius to see beyond Savilles public persona of ' the nations favorite uncle who like to live a frugal life while doing more that his bit for charity ' when the reality was most people couldn't stand to be around the creepy bollix ,including staff and patients at the hospitals he liked to frequent .


  • #74
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Anyone here remember the actor Wilfred Brambill ( a native of Rathmines in Dublin ) ? Better known to millions of people as Old man Steptoe from the great BBC comedy Steptoe and Son ?

    If he was still alive he would be doing a long sentence in a place like Wormwood Scrubs - Brambill was a prolific paedophile and child abuser who was careful to confine his offending to sex tourist holidays in known spots like Sri lanka , Thailand , Phillipines , etc - modern legislation would have caught him out but at the time he broke no UK laws.

    I was shocked at the coverage and glowing testimonials to Saville when he died - he was long suspected of paedophile activities , Oh and 1 more thing - Jimmy Saville was noted for his huge contribution to the Stoke Mandeville hospital yet that link was suddenly broken a number of years ago without explanation - no surprises for guessing why ;)


  • #75
    WhimSock
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭WhimSock


    RikkFlair wrote: »
    Jim'll fiddle it

    Haa! Been trying to come up with something for ages. This is grand.


  • #76
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Wonder if the'll find any dead bodies in the closet?


  • #77
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    If he did molest kids I hope hell exists so he can burn for eternity.
    Rapists and molesters should have their genitals removed. And I'm not trying to be over the top by saying that. It's the best solution.
    The problems a child experiences after being abused last a life time and sadly often never get resolved.


  • #78
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Specul-fcuking-ation at the moment ......

    surprised boards.ie is letting this go ....


  • #79
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Delancey wrote: »
    Anyone here remember the actor Wilfred Brambill ( a native of Rathmines in Dublin ) ? Better known to millions of people as Old man Steptoe from the great BBC comedy Steptoe and Son ?

    If he was still alive he would be doing a long sentence in a place like Wormwood Scrubs - Brambill was a prolific paedophile and child abuser who was careful to confine his offending to sex tourist holidays in known spots like Sri lanka , Thailand , Phillipines , etc - modern legislation would have caught him out but at the time he broke no UK laws.

    Where did you come by that info on Wilfrid Brambell? A search for me throws up 'white pride' website Stormfront, several Youtube comments sections & a site which also claims Edward Heath was a Satanist.


  • #80
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    fryup wrote: »
    i personally don't believe any of it...why didn't his "victims" speak out when he was alive why wait till now when he can't defend himself

    Why did th evictims of clerical abuse wait so long?

    I'm not falling on either side of this debate as it stands.

    King Rhythmic Turbine wrote: »
    A fourteen year old girl was felt up by a man in his fifties on television and then her character is subsequently questioned. I do wonder if this is an example of that victim blaming thing I've heard about.

    He had his hand round her waist and pulled her about , he wasnt fondling her tits. To use your own words, let's not go nuts.


  • #81
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    He had his hand round her waist and pulled her about , he wasnt fondling her tits. To use your own words, let's not go nuts.
    His hand was rather high, and did appear to be jiggling somewhat.

    Not sure it would class as molestation, but definitely inappropriate behaviour - he was holding onto her a little too tightly.

    Regardless of how bat**** crazy Colleen Nolan may now be, nobody, not least a 14yo girl should have to put up with anything like that.


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  • #82
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Delancey wrote: »
    A friend of mine in The Met named the others to me - one was Jimmy Saville , one was a producer whose name I can't remember and the third was........... ( still alive so can't say )

    Do be sure to remember to let us know when they die though, yeah? I'm guessing whoeve it is wouldnt be far off Saville's age, so maybe not long to wait?

    Is giving cryptic clues allowed so long as no one posts their guess?:)


  • #83
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Googling this stuff - only links are stormfront or David Icke ... so it must be true right????
    roll-bleeding-eyes..


  • #84
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Delancey wrote: »
    I was shocked at the coverage and glowing testimonials to Saville when he died - he was long suspected of paedophile activities , Oh and 1 more thing - Jimmy Saville was noted for his huge contribution to the Stoke Mandeville hospital yet that link was suddenly broken a number of years ago without explanation - no surprises for guessing why ;)

    You'd think they would have just let his passing go without comment then. no?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-15521895

    This seems to be still running too

    http://www.londres-paris.com/charity4.php


  • #85
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,633 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Biggins wrote: »
    There was rumours about that prior to his death.
    I have no idea if any of it is accurate or not.

    We're talkine paedophilia here. Thats means the rumours are automatically accurate.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #86
    RoundyMooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    The producer is most likely a very well known homosexual guy who died in the 60s. His character is above reproach. The one who's still alive, dunno about that, I've no idea who it could be.

    The only thing that can be pinned on Ole Steptoe was a loss of inhibition in later life, and a roaring appreciation for the drink. That, coupled with the fact that he was gay in a less progressive time, was enough to start the rumours. Kenny Williams was another one-very like Saville, (but positively asexual) and lived an unhealthily closeted life with his mother. They had him (wrongly) down as a nonce as well.


  • #87
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Lol at RoundyMooneys avatar.

    I remember him playing Paul Mccartneys grandad as well in a Hard Day's Night.


  • #88
    RoundyMooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    mikom wrote: »
    Lol at RoundyMooneys avatar.

    Hasn't escaped me-it's most likely what reminded your man!

    :)


  • #89
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    RoundyMooney wrote: »
    Hasn't escaped me-it's most likely what reminded your man!

    :)

    "You dirrty old man"


  • #90
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Jimmy had a bird, don't think he was a pedo, all just rumours.


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  • #91
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Jimmy had a bird, don't think he was a pedo, all just rumours.

    I think the bird was his ould wan though.


  • #92
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    Where did you come by that info on Wilfrid Brambell? A search for me throws up 'white pride' website Stormfront, several Youtube comments sections & a site which also claims Edward Heath was a Satanist.

    A BBC documentary that explored the very poor off-screen relationship between Brambell and his TV 'son' Harry H. Corbett stated he ( Brambell ) was a paedophile sex tourist and this was a source of friction between the 2 actors as well as Brambell being constantly pissed on set.

    As soon as they finished shooting a series Brambell was on his way to the flesh pots of the far east.


  • #93
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    I saw jimmy saville in person when I was a kid, he went thru my local area whilst doing a marathon, rather bizzarley though he wasn't running but was being pushed while he sat in a wheelchair smoking a cigar while wearing a gold lame shellsuit.


    Luckily for me though I was rather a chubby kid do I couldn't have took his fancy, that is off course if the rumours are true!


  • #94
    Pantsface
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 449 ✭✭Pantsface


    mike65 wrote: »
    or dead man never publicly accused when alive and not actually accused of anything yet when dead. But we're talking about it.


    super injunction


  • #95
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Jimmy had a bird, don't think he was a pedo, all just rumours.

    Because every pedo is single right?


  • #96
    wilkie2006
    Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭wilkie2006


    Whether he was or wasn't a paedophile, the story is in pretty poor taste, no? I mean, so far it's only been alleged. Until a court of law has determined the veracity of the charge, should we all be talking about it? Yea, he's dead but it must be quite upsetting for his relatives.


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  • #97
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I really like kids but not in a sexy way. I hope my sister doesn't think I'm a creepy pedo because I'm a single man in my 30's. When I babysit my sisters kids I let them stay up because I like having them running around doing mad ****.

    I'm not a peado. I promise.


  • #98
    deisedave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭deisedave


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    If he did molest kids I hope hell exists so he can burn for eternity.
    Rapists and molesters should have their genitals removed. And I'm not trying to be over the top by saying that. It's the best solution.
    The problems a child experiences after being abused last a life time and sadly often never get resolved.
    I would be in favour of the death penalty in an ideal world for rape but I don't think removing their genitals would help.

    edit: Then again in an ideal world there would be no such thing as rape or sexual assault.


  • #99
    Father Damo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Father Damo


    Biggins wrote: »
    http://www.tpuc.org/node/34

    :eek:


    It is amazing how they can claim all this without even the slightest evidence further from conjecture about newspapers having a non existant list.
    Morlar wrote: »
    This is quite fcuked up too :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84u9WnylT60

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84u9WnylT60


    Here in Australia the equivalent of Penneys/ Dunnes is a cheap large chain clothes retailer called Target.

    The 20 second advert that I am forced thru before getting to the Theroux clip is from the "Target Kids Range" :eek::eek::eek::pac:


  • #100
    Jester252
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    Please tell me RTE is not involved


  • #101
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Why do you ask.


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