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The Wednesday Night War *Spoilers for AEW and NXT*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    sirmanga wrote: »
    So amusing seeing the AEW diehards make every excuse for the dire rating.
    "It was the day before Thanksgiving"
    Yes, but NXT still did a better number.
    "AEW are doing better with the younger demo."
    Yeah, whatever, who cares.
    "NXT cheated because they have exposure on main roster WWE TV."
    All that says to me is that AEW can only compete with the third brand, minor league version of WWE. And so what if WWE are using everything at their disposal to elevate NXT. AEW are running at half speed. Barely there storylines and match after match. Why would people stick around to watch that?

    Honestly, AEW fans are becoming like a woman who's found lipstick on her husband's collar, noticed his new haircut, and wonders why he's working late every evening.
    No matter what you say, they don't want to believe what they already know.

    What’s worse is seeing supposed journalists do this. If fans want to live or die with a company, that’s fine and I can even respect it. But these are people whose job is supposed to be objectively reporting the fact and they’re publicly scrambling to make excuses for a company that just co-opted them. VOW and Brian Alvarez are embarrassing themselves with some of their reactions. Like at least Meltzer is actually mates with the lads, you can almost understand him defending his friends. These are lads who got backstage passes to All-In and a bit of mark treatment for one night and are ****ting on their own objectivity a couple years later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    the die hard fans on both sides are so painful like just accept when one wins one week on another this excuse making is absolute cringe inducing like if aew won this week in the over 50s and nxt in the under 30s theyd be talking about the important over 50 demos

    ive my own opinions that younger people dont like wrestling anymore and its mainly late 20s and onwards that are staying fans were most are dropping off around 12ish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Of all the weeks to run this also this of real cause you never know these days is very TNA


    https://twitter.com/thenextblgthing/status/1202067431339855872


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭sirmanga


    I'm starting to get a whiff of Voodoo Kin Mafia from AEW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,339 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So I see the fears I had for AEW in relation to Tony Khan may have come through which is unfortunate. It's only one incident so hopefully that's it but they'd want to be careful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So I see the fears I had for AEW in relation to Tony Khan may have come through which is unfortunate. It's only one incident so hopefully that's it but they'd want to be careful.

    Care to expand on this train of thought?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    Care to expand on this train of thought?


    Might be something to do with this

    no real problems with it but id be more worried about the empty seats even with after the show i doubt that many left

    https://twitter.com/AlexM_talkSPORT/status/1207590739737223168?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    Care to expand on this train of thought?


    I don't know, the above seems like strong wording for a bunch of wrestlers and the owner letting the hair down after a show and popping a crowd.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    sky88 wrote: »
    Might be something to do with this

    no real problems with it but id be more worried about the empty seats even with after the show i doubt that many left

    https://twitter.com/AlexM_talkSPORT/status/1207590739737223168?s=20

    So Tony Khan, a huge Stone Cold fan goes out to the ring, when AEW has gone off air, hits a Stunner on Shawn Spears, on Austin's 55 birthday no less, and, the way Itssoeasy had posted, I thought Khan had done something worse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    I don't know, the above seems like strong wording for a bunch of wrestlers and the owner letting the hair down after a show and popping a crowd.

    As already posted above, I thought he'd done something worse.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,339 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    Care to expand on this train of thought?

    Well as others have said it happened after the show was over but whose to say it won't happen on live national TV soon ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well as others have said it happened after the show was over but whose to say it won't happen on live national TV soon ?

    I'd like to think that Tony Khan is a lot more sensible than you've given him credit for with your above, to not go and do what he did on live TV.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well as others have said it happened after the show was over but whose to say it won't happen on live national TV soon ?

    You can't criticize a company for something imaginary that might happen. That's just silly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,339 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    I'd like to think that Tony Khan is a lot more sensible than you've given him credit for with your above, to not go and do what he did on live TV.

    I do too as I've said I want AEW to be a long term pro wrestling company. That's why I wasn't a fan of him doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,287 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I was gonna post this in the AEW thread but since comparing to NXT, will post here.
    I realised tonight that AEW may be competing with NXT but they seem more similar to Raw and Smackdown. By that I mean we seem to get the same guys in the ring every week while NXT seems to be every other week for a lot of guys.
    Take this week for example. In NXT we didn't get a lot of the big names such as UE except for Cole. No Ciampa, Riddle or Lee.
    Same for the women. No Candice, Bianca or Tegan.
    Yet they did a good show.

    Over in the AEW thread there was mention about giving Cody or Kenny the title. With the amount of tv time they get as it is, how would the title promote them? We already seem to be getting through every combination of match with a lot of them and some already seem repetitive.
    I know it's still early but if feel like this already, I can't see much changing the longer it goes on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I do too as I've said I want AEW to be a long term pro wrestling company. That's why I wasn't a fan of him doing it.

    They will be, but it'll be a bumpy road in a constantly evolving landscape, and anyways it was harmless fun, can't a boss of a company not have some fun himself?

    Storm in a tea cup over something harmless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 24,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    sky88 wrote: »

    Ouch for the 50 plus argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,886 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Bad for both shows for sure


    NXT threw away a Takeover level PPV this week and only drew that number that doesn't look good.


    More worrying is there is close to 50% walkaway from both shows by fans.


    2 million on a Monday 1.5ish on a Wednesday and 2m on a Friday wrestling isn't adding new viewers whats the chances it's the same 2 million people watching it all.



    Wrestling in general isn't a draw anymore anywhere on TV.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Seen a tweet earlier saying the 3rd hour of raw has more viewers than nxt/aew which I think says it all about wrestling.


    There’s more money in wrestling than ever before but honestly feel it’ll hit rock bottom soon wrestling just isn’t as popular anymore regardless of how good shows are or aren’t


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,339 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    sky88 wrote: »
    Seen a tweet earlier saying the 3rd hour of raw has more viewers than nxt/aew which I think says it all about wrestling.


    There’s more money in wrestling than ever before but honestly feel it’ll hit rock bottom soon wrestling just isn’t as popular anymore regardless of how good shows are or aren’t

    And the third hour is normally the one where the viewers drop off. As bad as the raw viewership is it's unfair to compare NXT and AEW to it because Raw had a 21 year and 26 year head start respectfully on this shows.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Johnny Sausage


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    And the third hour is normally the one where the viewers drop off. As bad as the raw viewership is it's unfair to compare NXT and AEW to it because Raw had a 31 year and 36 year head start respectfully on this shows.

    21 and 26

    nearly added 10 years to my life reading that :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,339 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    21 and 26

    nearly added 10 years to my life reading that :D

    I had 21 and 26 written and then changed it. No idea why I did that. Given I'm only 34 my numbers make even less sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    also it had to be hurt both ratings wise with the impeachment going on especially NXT with its over 50 demographic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,886 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    So reading the Dynamite is the most DVR'd wrestling show ahead of RAW, Smackdown and NXT.


    When Live and DVR numbers are taken into account it's averaging 1.5m viewers a week.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Should we start taking DVR numbers into account for Raw, Smackdown and NXT and tack them on to ratings then?

    Fair's fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    That dvr is so moving the goalpost stuff it’s like should we include YouTube hits too next


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    I'm a big fan of AEW and catch the odd hyped NXT show but Christ dragging the 18-49 demos and DVR stuff into it is pretty pathetic from fans on both sides. Like I fully expect the Americans to get themselves into a frenzy over that crap but surely we have more sense here. Would be so much better if people just enjoyed the shows. It's not like soccer where you have to support a team :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,287 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    An NXT flag would be black and gold. What would the AEW colours be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,886 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    So 1.5 people watching episodes of AEW each is week is a terrible thing now because half of them Sky plus'ed/DVR'ed it.



    The millions that Sky plus/DVR the WWE is a back thing to I guess.


    Some fans just can't be pleased.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    None of it is a bad thing. The stats your quoting, though, are clear goalpost-moving, just like the demos argument. “Oh it doesn’t matter they beat us in the ratings, we won the demo.” “Oh it doesn’t matter that they beat us in the demo, more people DVR us.” It’s like how radio stations will try manipulate the JNLR ratings that come out to say they’re number one, even if they’re number one in the ratings with farmers named Fergal from Buncranny. Part of having a reasoned discussion is reading through that waffle, hence people pointing it out.

    I’m all for everyone saying let’s forget about the ratings and be happy with all the cool wrestling we’re getting from motivated companies, but if you’re gonna analyse the ratings (and there is a fun discussion to be had) then we have to look at the actual truth and not blindly buy into the spin either side is going to put out to make their product seem better. This isn’t helped, admittedly, by ‘journalists’ being biased and playing into the spin for the side they like best to confuse matters, to be fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    Can we tack on illegal downloads while we're at it

    to be honest I don't give a shiny ****e about the numbers of any show as long as it's entertaining to me and doesn't suddenly disappear but that's somebody elses job to think about

    I'm just a consumer and want to be entertained so I can come here and bitch about bad storylines or commend good stuff I certainly don't want to be arguing about numbers enjoying AEW so far hope it keeps it up , I'm in the same boat as some of you can't stand the bucks .

    Omega would be much better as a heel instead of what ever there trying to do with him now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Great to be back near million for aew

    why in the hell over 500k people watched a glorified clipshow astounds me



    https://twitter.com/AlexM_talkSPORT/status/1213123219332435974?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    sky88 wrote: »
    Great to be back near million for aew

    why in the hell over 500k people watched a glorified clipshow astounds me

    Our old buddy R***rt was harping on on twitter how the clip show was 800k+ and how he was praying they beat AEW (the man has a hatred for all things AEW which is just sad!)

    Gone very quiet now! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    Good for AEW, was a stacked show. Is ro**** actually Irish? Censoring cos they're def the type to google themselves :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    I turned NXT off after 10 mins. Don't know how +500k people could watch some shítty recap show instead of AEW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    I turned NXT off after 10 mins. Don't know how +500k people could watch some shítty recap show instead of AEW.

    Maybe AEW doesn't appeal to them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    After being tight for a few weeks AEW have pulled away again in the last two weeks or so. Any thoughts on what's happened?

    The one thing I really like about AEW is that you can see the story and feuds being firmly established now, whereas NXT still feels a bit scattered.

    The latter seems to be going for an unpredictable vibe which I'm not mad about. Perhaps it's just a transition phase where new feuds have to be established.

    I'm still not sure about Ripley as champ and feel she needs a strong feud asap; she was slingshotted into a hot feud and position, but now she needs to show what she actually has as a long term top star.

    Cole has only been champion 6-7 months but the length of time he's been there is starting to jade me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    NXT just feels too sanitised for me, always in the same location and nothing ever feels different or must see.

    In comparison AEW has a very vibrant and anything can happen kinda feel, different arenas, the upcoming cruise episode, their wrestlers appearing in other companies etc. Combined with Mox, Jericho, PAC, Omega, Luchas being big attractions AEW is just all round a better watch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    NXT just feels too sanitised for me, always in the same location and nothing ever feels different or must see.

    In comparison AEW has a very vibrant and anything can happen kinda feel, different arenas, the upcoming cruise episode, their wrestlers appearing in other companies etc. Combined with Mox, Jericho, PAC, Omega, Luchas being big attractions AEW is just all round a better watch.

    totally agree NXT i think its a good show and would benefit much more with a change of scenery even if it was 2 nights per month in a different areas it just looks bland.

    AEW just kind looks better and feel just from ascetics alone and this week with the bash can change it week to week.

    theres stuff wrong with both at any giving i think at the minute AEW has this brandi sized problem that makes me long for wwe at its worst were as NXT just arent capitalizing on good matches there having.

    but still crazy how both shows together arent getting what a raw gets in its final hour generally so long way to go


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Johnny Sausage


    Much preferred Dynamite this week

    thought NXT was a bit poor in comparison, perhaps just a portland hangover


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Much preferred Dynamite this week

    thought NXT was a bit poor in comparison, perhaps just a portland hangover

    would agree NXT was very flat this week actually nothing terrible just boring

    i think both shows have fell into their natural viewership were they are right now


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Thought I'd give this a bump to see how people feel a year on.

    Dynamite has settled into the lead at this point but I think last night's show was indicative of a show that, while long term storytelling is clearly on display, there still seems to be an element of trying to nail everything to the wall week to week to be the ratings winner.

    We had two prominent and developing stories in Omega's and and Sting's last night, and both took the same road; a lot of talk and a lot of subterfuge. I mean Kenny and Don basically cut the same promo Tuesday night so there's definitely a feeling of we know the destination, but we'll stumble through certain scenes when we've got nothing else.

    NXT on the other hand has had some very average nights over the past year in what has been one marred by the pandemic, injuries, unnecessary call ups and a stagnating roster. But it is interesting to me that while Sting did and said nothing other than turn up to get a bump in ratings, NXT were developing new and interesting stories with Priest, Balor, Kross and Gargano's new faction. Maybe that's the result of NXT finally coming out of their own difficult transitional period.

    Essentially I feel the War is dead, for NXT anyway. They've given up on competing week to week and that's starting to give positive returns.

    AEW have done A LOT this year, and achieved a lot in that period. Dynamite really is a show that has demonstrated itself to be in a different league at times and at this point I probably watch more of it than Raw or SmackDown. However they need to be weary of falling into any false sense of security by overegging their position. No one needs a stacked show every week, especially if half of it isn't up to much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,886 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Last weeks AEW beat this weeks RAW in the key demo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    Just watching NXT highlights. Finn and Pete Dunne are terrible on the mic god bless them. Also Scarlett bloody hell.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1357436695214366721?s=19

    That's a shocker of a rating for NXT with Edge advertised


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I think the problem was the same for most people; there's not a hope of Edge challenging for the NXT title so all he was doing was turning up to pay lip service. Hardly riveting stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    I think the problem was the same for most people; there's not a hope of Edge challenging for the NXT title so all he was doing was turning up to pay lip service. Hardly riveting stuff.

    It's the Royal Rumble winner! A guy who only returned to TV like 2 weeks ago and a legend in that company. There's no spin here. Other main roster wrestlers have popped a number when they've done an appearance on NXT. That Edge, after winning the Rumble, has not speaks to a far bigger problem of malaise with the product. That the Raw after Rumble rating was so low will have set alarm bells ringing, the rating from last night will only be more fuel to that fire.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://twitter.com/Matmenpodcast/status/1366834447472095236?s=19

    Supposedly this account gets a lot of stuff right. I've never heard of them myself so take with a pinch of salt.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Big if true. The NXT USA deal was known to be up reasonably soon and with the NHL moving to USA and their night being Wednesday nobody can say this is out of the blue. Puts an end to any Wednesday night war there may have been, and confirms some real bad takes on this first few pages of the thread.


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