Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador withdraw asylum

Rvsmmnps · 11-04-2019 4:39pm

peddlelies wrote: »

Won't change the facts that not a single American or anyone connected with the Trump campaign was charged with a conspiracy related to Russia. I'm sure the cognitive dissonance will sort itself out once you read Stone sent Wikileaks a direct message to Wikileaks on twitter. Oh the humanity!

Two years worth of swallowing absolute bollocks is a bitter pill to swallow, I get it.

Hilary and her crew were up to their necks with Russians also..

BeerWolf · 11-04-2019 4:41pm

Aegir wrote: »

The odd bit bit of rape here and there never hurt anyone I guess :rolleyes:

Curious how people so readily buy into obvious smear campaigns at a convenience notice.

mcmoustache · 11-04-2019 4:43pm

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

Hilary and her crew were up to their necks with Russians also..

I would be curious to know what you're talking about but I'm worried that you probably don't know either.

Manic Moran · 11-04-2019 4:43pm

Zorya wrote: »

Interesting speech

https://twitter.com/ComunicacionEc/status/1116272104180154368

Huh. So that's what it's like to have a composed, erudite President. It's been a few years for us, I had forgotten...

But, seriously, who the hell threatens the person keeping them safe? That's never going to go well.

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 4:44pm

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

Hilary and her crew were up to their necks with Russians also..

Nope, the hundreds of millions her charity received from Russians entities and other rogue nations were just good will gestures, it's a conspiracy theory to believe otherwise. :pac:

Billy86 · 11-04-2019 4:45pm

peddlelies wrote: »

I'm sorry, I thought I read this as a quote from Mueller's own report. Is it incorrect? Was it not the conclusions you were after? After all, to mention that you think Trump wasn't some Russian asset meant you should visit a doctor since it was such a crazy observation in your eyes.

But, but, the findings.

When the report comes out over the weekend it'll be, but, but the redactions.

What you just quoted is not from Mueller, it is from the summary by the guy Trump hired on the back of a 19 page job application letter about how he would shield Trump from prosecution, and who has refused to release anything beyond his own summary. Not just to the public, but to any elected members of Congress with the power to impeach, including those on the relevant oversight committees. Given that this is the same person (William Barr) who helped cover up the Iran-Contra scandal, trying to claim that has any legitimacy is a beyond a farce.

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 4:51pm

Billy86 wrote: »

What you just quoted is not from Mueller, it is from the summary by the guy Trump hired on the back of a 19 page job application letter about how he would shield Trump from prosecution, and who has refused to release anything beyond his own summary.

What I highlighted is a direct quote from the Mueller report. You can keep clinging to the narrative that Barr has totally hidden what the report really says, but you cannot deny the conclusion that Mueller found no conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The goalposts tend to change quickly. The report will be released in a few days so no doubt you'll find something ethically questionable by some low level campaign aide in an attempt to persuade yourself that the rubbish talked about over the last two years was justified. I don't care care if people speculated or fell victim to rubbish on cable news, it's only those who arrogantly and smugly dismissed the other viewpoint I enjoy calling out.

Penn · 11-04-2019 4:54pm

Billy86 wrote: »

What you just quoted is not from Mueller, it is from the summary by the guy Trump hired on the back of a 19 page job application letter about how he would shield Trump from prosecution, and who has refused to release anything beyond his own summary. Not just to the public, but to any elected members of Congress with the power to impeach, including those on the relevant oversight committees. Given that this is the same person (William Barr) who helped cover up the Iran-Contra scandal, trying to claim that has any legitimacy is a beyond a farce.

In fairness, that's Barr quoting the report from Mueller's team. Many have said that the interpretation or context in which that sentence appears would be key (eg. It states that members of the Trump Campaign didn't conspire or co-ordinate with members of the Russian Government, but that doesn't preclude external agents for both conspiring/co-ordinating), but Barr would be unlikely to falsely attribute a quote to the Mueller report.

mad muffin · 11-04-2019 4:55pm

He looked like he was on one hell of a trip…

Zorya · 11-04-2019 5:30pm

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1116362494757314560

Julian Assange's lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, says "This sets a dangerous precedent... any journalist can be extradited for prosecution in the US for having published truthful information about the US"

ohnonotgmail · 11-04-2019 5:30pm

Zorya wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1116362494757314560

Julian Assange's lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, says "This sets a dangerous precedent... any journalist can be extradited for prosecution in the US for having published truthful information about the US"

he is not being extradited for that though.

Zorya · 11-04-2019 5:35pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he is not being extradited for that though.

https://twitter.com/jacklgoldsmith/status/1116371125582409729
Former US Assistant Attorney General and Harvard Law Prof

Edit - that ''Har'' at the top is a misplaced word when i was writing ''Harvard'' and I don't know how to remove it...I wasn't saying ''Har''

Gatling · 11-04-2019 5:37pm

Zorya wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1116362494757314560

Julian Assange's lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, says "This sets a dangerous precedent... any journalist can be extradited for prosecution in the US for having published truthful information about the US"

But assange is not a journalist ,

Journalist have some protections but hackers and other cyber criminals don't have the same protection not should they ever

Zorya · 11-04-2019 5:39pm

Gatling wrote: »

But assange is not a journalist ,

Journalist have some protections but hackers and other cyber criminals don't have the same protection not should they ever

Is there some sort of conferring ceremony that 'journalists' undergo? He was a participant in the media - Oxford dict - a person who writes for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or prepares news to be broadcast.

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2019 5:52pm

Zorya wrote: »

Is there some sort of conferring ceremony that 'journalists' undergo? He was a participant in the media - Oxford dict - a person who writes for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or prepares news to be broadcast.

There seems to be a new profession of people who are suddenly journalists when it suits them

Apparently if you decide to hack into your company's emails, expose them all, doing whatever damage, you can apparently do so under the auspices of being a "journalist, revealing the truth"

Gatling · 11-04-2019 5:53pm

Zorya wrote: »

Is there some sort of conferring ceremony that 'journalists' undergo?

No but it's quite simple .

Assange is not a journalist he's a hacker or facilitator of hackers that he then uses for blantant self promotion for his over inflated ego ,

He's a common garden criminal nothing more and nothing less ,I know people want to believe he's some kind of warrior single handedly fighting against all government wrongs,

super_furry · 11-04-2019 5:57pm

Has anyone reached out to Sash to see what he makes of the whole thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cQlVww0zKo

jimmycrackcorm · 11-04-2019 6:02pm

Zorya wrote: »

Gonna be interesting to follow this one. For what it's worth, I think he did the world a service. The assault accusations against always seemed contrary to me. Then again, he could be a despicable sex pest and still have done the world a service with his leaks on illegal activities.

Has he released much info on illegal Russian or Chinese activities?

Kirby · 11-04-2019 6:03pm

Gatling wrote: »

No but it's quite simple .

Assange is not a journalist he's a hacker or facilitator of hackers that he then uses for blantant self promotion for his over inflated ego ,

He's a common garden criminal nothing more and nothing less ,I know people want to believe he's some kind of warrior single handedly fighting against all government wrongs,

According to you? Sure. Others would argue that we don't live in the 1920's anymore and in the modern world we live in the title of "journalist" is a pretty nebulous one.

For example, I don't consider what the folks at TMZ do journalism but other people do. And they avail of the same protections afforded to the press that the likes of CNN have.

My point being, who exactly decides if he's a journalist or not? Certainly not the people with a vested interest in locking him up. One man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. I find it odd that an Irish person wouldn't understand that distinction or lack thereof.

Zorya · 11-04-2019 6:04pm

Gatling wrote: »

No but it's quite simple .

Assange is not a journalist

He is, one can be many different things - he fulfils the function of journalist

he's a hacker or facilitator of hackers

yes, he is a hacker - that is a modern way of getting information for people who wish to publish it to wider audience. People investigating used to use physical real world methods in the days of yore, now they sometimes hack. So what?

that he then uses for blantant self promotion for his over inflated ego

This is your personal expression of dislike for the man - it is subjective and irrelevant to the bigger issues

He's a common garden criminal nothing more and nothing less

Thus far he is not convicted of anything. So again this is personal projection, a bit like those who say without sources that Assange is in the ''pocket of Putin''. It is unproven declamatory subjective commentary.

,I know people want to believe he's some kind of warrior single handedly fighting against all government wrongs

I think anyone sensible - and many top level legal experts have rowed in to agree - is concerned for freedom of the press. Obama would not seek to prosecute him because of the danger to fundamental rights.

,

I wish I knew how to break up a single quote to respond to it without this palaver..

Zorya · 11-04-2019 6:06pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Has he released much info on illegal Russian or Chinese activities?

Have you? Have at it, I say. Fill the gap.

super_furry · 11-04-2019 6:16pm

Zorya wrote: »

Have you? Have at it, I say. Fill the gap.

Aw come on now. That's up there with the 'you don't like Mission Impossible, well lets see you make a film' argument.

Cienciano · 11-04-2019 6:17pm

Zorya wrote: »

I wish I knew how to break up a single quote to respond to it without this palaver..

Don't bother, nobody reads multi quotes

11-04-2019 6:18pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

Has he released much info on illegal Russian or Chinese activities?

FFS.

The doctor that found a cure for smallpox, did he also find a cure for cancer?

Assange and wikileaks have done nothing except report facts.

Why people can't see this as a terrible precident is beyond me.

Gatling · 11-04-2019 6:20pm

Zorya wrote: »

I wish I knew how to break up a single quote to respond to it without this palaver..

No you don't need it .

All I took is your opinion is all that matters,

Unfortunately facts mean more assange is not a journalist bar his legal team and you nobody else has ever claimed assange was a journalist ,

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-04-2019 6:20pm

Interesting comment from greenwald. Obama didn’t want to pursue charges, Trump does.

At least the charges are on hacking rather than endangering security which would be a fairly big blow to press freedom.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1116383095605927943?s=20

Zorya · 11-04-2019 6:21pm

super_furry wrote: »

Aw come on now. That's up there with the 'you don't like Mission Impossible, well lets see you make a film' argument.

Why not?

Making a movie is not that damn hard.

By the way for those saying he is not a journalist, here are some facts I did not know....

The year 2010 culminated with the Sam Adams Award, which Assange accepted in October and a string of distinctions in December—the Le Monde readers' choice award for person of the year, the Time readers' choice award for person of the year (he was also a runner-up in Time's overall person of the year award)

In 2012, Assange hosted a television show on RT (formerly known as Russia Today), a network funded by the Russian government. In the same year, he analysed the Kissinger cables held at the US National Archives and released them in searchable form.

The following February, he won the Sydney Peace Foundation Gold Medal for Peace with Justice, previously awarded to only three people—Nelson Mandela, the Dalai Lama, and Buddhist spiritual leader Daisaku Ikeda.[123] Two weeks later, he filed for the trademark "Julian Assange" in Europe, which was to be used for "Public speaking services; news reporter services; journalism; publication of texts other than publicity texts; education services; entertainment services." For several years a member of the Australian journalists' union and still an honorary member, he was awarded the Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism in June, having earlier won the Amnesty International UK Media Award (New Media) in 2009.[132]

For a not-a-journalist he has a lot of journalism and journalist awards under his belt :rolleyes:

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-04-2019 6:23pm

Gatling wrote: »

No you don't need it .

All I took is your opinion is all that matters,

Unfortunately facts mean more assange is not a journalist bar his legal team and you nobody else has ever claimed assange was a journalist ,

Those of you who are partisan Democrats should realise that this guy is an utter pro American militarist.

You should also probably take into account that Trump was attacked for verbally attacking the press, now he is legally attacking press freedoms.

mcmoustache · 11-04-2019 6:25pm

Zorya wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jacklgoldsmith/status/1116371125582409729
Former US Assistant Attorney General and Harvard Law Prof

Edit - that ''Har'' at the top is a misplaced word when i was writing ''Harvard'' and I don't know how to remove it...I wasn't saying ''Har''

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1116388407251333120

suicide_circus · 11-04-2019 6:25pm

you can't fight the deep state and win

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-04-2019 6:26pm

Zorya wrote: »

Why not? Making a movie is not that damn hard.

By the way for those saying he is not a journalist, here are some facts I did not know....

For a not-a-journalist he has a lot of journalism and journalist awards under his belt :rolleyes:

Then he upset Hilary and her supporters.

11-04-2019 6:26pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

FFS.

The doctor that found a cure for smallpox, did he also find a cure for cancer?

Assange and wikileaks have done nothing except report facts.

Why people can't see this as a terrible precident is beyond me.

They'd have him on a pedestal if he released stuff on Trump. They are small minded weak people who don't even realise their own bias.

I remember when Assange was a hero. These scrotes used to like him, too. Pathetic.

Zorya · 11-04-2019 6:31pm

Here's some of Assange's journalism. Revealing some of the truth about the war in Iraq.

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1116374507701329920

By the way President Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning for the activity which people are extremely excited to see Assange charged in relation with.

11-04-2019 6:33pm

These same people are the ones calling for someone to leak the Mueller Report.

They're driven solely by bias and are as useless a person you can get in society. Ask them if they think whistleblowers are acceptable and they'll run a march around their head trying to see how it would benefit them.

c.p.w.g.w · 11-04-2019 6:34pm

Didn't Assange put out an encrypted file which was claimed to hold some seriously damaging stuff. With the threat if he was ever arrested the key would be released and the contents of the file would be available to the world to see

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 6:42pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Didn't Assange put out an encrypted file which was claimed to hold some seriously damaging stuff. With the threat if he was ever arrested the key would be released and the contents of the file would be available to the world to see

Yeah, google Wikileaks doomsday or insurance files.

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2019 6:43pm

Zorya wrote: »

Here's some of Assange's journalism. Revealing some of the truth about the war in Iraq.

And here is some of Assange's journalism revealing the truth about Russian corruption

11-04-2019 6:45pm

I think we should remember to ask every single person who wants stuff leaked to specify exactly who on their own side should also have stuff leaked on so as to make the information genuine.

"Facts can only be facts if equally damaging."
- some vitamin-D deficient wanker

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2019 6:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think we should remember to ask every single person who wants stuff leaked to specify exactly who on their own side should also have stuff leaked on so as to make the information genuine.

There has to be a point to it. Hacking and leaking information solely to damage/embarrass enemies is not journalism, it's espionage

Gatling · 11-04-2019 6:50pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And here is some of Assange's journalism revealing the truth about Russian corruption

Remember assange used to be a regular on Kremlin TV aka rt ,

Zorya · 11-04-2019 6:50pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And here is some of Assange's journalism revealing the truth about Russian corruption

Reveal the truth about Russian corruption yourself. I happen to personally know bloggers who do just that. On with ya. I already said Assange was biased - like every other source of information. So what?

And by the way comparing present day Russian corruption to the war in Iraq is kind of pathetic - for all the sh!te that goes on in Russia - and no, not collusion in foreign elections - the death toll from the Iraq war will one day, when people stop licking arses, be called what it is - an extermination, a modern Holocaust. More than 2 million people have died since 2003 in Iraq since that US invasion. Bloody disgusting to compare it to something like ''Russian corruption''.

11-04-2019 6:50pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There has to be a point to it. Hacking and leaking information solely to damage/embarrass enemies is not journalism, it's espionage

And he isn't a hacker. He's a place for whistleblowers to share their information.

Just say it now. Say you're against whistleblowers.

Kirby · 11-04-2019 6:52pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There has to be a point to it. Hacking and leaking information solely to damage/embarrass enemies is not journalism, it's espionage

Lets not beat around the bush here. It's journalism when it hurts my enemies. It's espionage when it hurts me.

I'm pretty left leaning on a lot of issues but the mental gymnastics at play here by supposed lefties is impressive.

Gatling · 11-04-2019 6:52pm

Zorya wrote: »

Reveal the truth about Russian corruption yourself. I happen to personally know bloggers who do just that. On with ya. I already said Assange was biased - like every other source of information. So what?

And by the way comparing present day Russian corruption to the war in Iraq is kind of pathetic - for all the sh!te that goes on in Russia - and no, not collusion in foreign elections - the death toll from the Iraq war will one day, when people stop licking arses, be called what it is - an extermination, a modern Holocaust. More than 2 million people have died since 2003 in Iraq since that US invasion. Bloody disgusting to compare it to something like ''Russian corruption''.

How many died in Syria or are you one of those murica did this and murica did that .
Russia good.

Zorya · 11-04-2019 6:54pm

Gatling wrote: »

How many died in Syria or are you one of those murica did this and murica did that .
Russia good.

Your deflections are just...well, nonsensical. Sorry, I cannot reply.

ArchXStanton · 11-04-2019 6:55pm

Zorya wrote: »

Here's some of Assange's journalism. Revealing some of the truth about the war in Iraq.

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1116374507701329920

By the way President Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning for the activity which people are extremely excited to see Assange charged in relation with.

Oohhh Gatling won't like that, this wasn't in the Amerika ****kkk yeah films as a kid.... No wonder he has a bee in his bonnet about Assange

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 6:55pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There has to be a point to it. Hacking and leaking information solely to damage/embarrass enemies is not journalism, it's espionage

By that definition NBC committed espionage by releasing the pussy tape a few weeks before the election to the Washington Post.

Il Fascista · 11-04-2019 6:57pm

peddlelies wrote: »

By that definition NBC committed espionage by releasing the pussy tape a few weeks before the election to the Washington Post.

And every other leak which has been reported on my the media with the intention of damaging Trump.

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2019 7:00pm

Zorya wrote: »

Reveal the truth about Russian corruption yourself. I happen to personally know bloggers who do just that. On with ya. I already said Assange was biased - like every other source of information. So what?

That's fine, but he was offered the information and refused to release it. If you are going to keep labeling him a journalist you may want to prefix that with the word "unethical" before it

More than 2 million people have died since 2003 in Iraq since that US invasion. Bloody disgusting to compare it to something like ''Russian corruption''.

I marched against the war in Iraq. There's no need to preach thanks. I've seen enough people act selectively hysterical over points of history that capture their interest. This debate is about Assange, and in this context his actions "as a journalist". As in, I don't agree that he was a journalist

11-04-2019 7:00pm

Il Fascista wrote: »

And every other leak which has been reported on my the media with the intention of damaging Trump.

All for greater good, until it goes the other way.

I'm not good with words. I consider these people to be weak scumbags, calling for the exact same thing they apparently abhor.

Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador withdraw asylum

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