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Marian Finucane Thread

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  • #302
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    I wouldn't be getting too involved in the back slapping either, he's appealing and I'd say he'll have good grounds.


  • #303
    Oops69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Oops69


    Nora owen is coming across as a gossiping old biddy , Ala Mary O'Rourke ... she must have been a nightmare to work with as a government minister .


  • #304
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    Oops69 wrote: »
    Nora owen is coming across as a gossiping old biddy , Ala Mary O'Rourke ... she must have been a nightmare to work with as a government minister .

    I always think the same when I hear her on the show. But then ALL Ministers walk in to the job with little or no experience or knowledge about the brief.


  • #305
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    "Do you know the circumstances of his death".

    ffs, will you give it a break, he's only dead a few hours. Do you think Des carried out the autopsy himself??


  • #306
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    Did that guy say "I hope that wasn't in reference to Leo" about the "fairy on the top of the Christmas tree" comment. He'll regret that.


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  • #307
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    "Do you know the circumstances of his death".

    ffs, will you give it a break, he's only dead a few hours. Do you think Des carried out the autopsy himself??


    I thought that was an appallingly insensitive question from Marian but in fairness Des (and I wouldn't be a fan) handled it with great sensitivity and professionalism.


  • #308
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,739 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Oops69 wrote: »
    Nora owen is coming across as a gossiping old biddy , Ala Mary O'Rourke ... she must have been a nightmare to work with as a government minister .

    Whatever about Nora, the idiot who threw up the Michael O Leary analogy about the HSE and Civil Service should be shot with a ball of oven-baked goat shíte.

    “If you don’t perform ,you’ll be sacked” bulldust.

    Sure,sure, then have to whole lot out on strike “for as long as it takes” and fools beeping horns passing pickets, the same fools who are ‘calling’ for ‘world class services and facilities’.

    Lads words in your ear, as long as Unions, Vested interest, practically unsackable employees and jobs for life is the operating ethos in that employment, 20 Michael o Learys wouldn’t run it.

    The deck is stacked my friends,stacked high, when will people even begin to realise that.


  • #309
    Brian Scan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Yep she was meant to have been pretty useless. Only there cuz of who her granddaddy was

    Who was he?


  • #310
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,851 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Brian Scan wrote: »
    Who was he?

    Apologies. Grandniece of Collins


  • #311
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be getting too involved in the back slapping either, he's appealing and I'd say he'll have good grounds.

    what 'good' grounds do you think he has?


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  • #312
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be getting too involved in the back slapping either, he's appealing and I'd say he'll have good grounds.

    He will be out in a year, the whole thing stinks


  • #313
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    yosser hughes wrote: »
    what 'good' grounds do you think he has?

    The fact that all the evidence is circumstantial.


  • #314
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    The fact that all the evidence is circumstantial.

    And? Nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence and its already been accepted. People have the wrong idea about circumstantial evidence since the advent of DNA evidence etc.
    So unless he has new evidence that was not introduced during the trial, or can point to a mis-direction of the judge or a point of law; then I'm not sure how strong a chance he has at all.
    Appeals don't just hear a case all over again.


  • #315
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Whatever about Nora, the idiot who threw up the Michael O Leary analogy about the HSE and Civil Service should be shot with a ball of oven-baked goat shíte.

    I kinda cringed when I heard him run out that simplistic Michael O'Leary reference. It's like something you would get from the man on the street, not some purported intellect that Marion has on educating us about the world.


  • #316
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,739 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    I kinda cringed when I heard him run out that simplistic Michael O'Leary reference. It's like something you would get from the man on the street, not some purported intellect that Marion has on educating us about the world.

    Exactly: the kind of industry ethos which Michael O’Leary operated in up to now is about as different from the HSE and the Civil Service as chalk and cheese.

    I too was amazed that someone purportedly to be a person of experience and stature would trot out something like that in this day and age.

    Must have gotten a rush of blood, to put it kindly.

    On a more serious note when will the public get sense and understand the issues in the HSE,for example,and educate themselves as to what the nuances and practices are in that industry.

    If they did this maybe they might keep their paws off the car horn when passing these picket.


  • #317
    newcavanman
    Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭newcavanman


    Who else but Marian could have a discussion about the ove long working week that people have? #hardfeckingneck


  • #318
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    newcavanman wrote: »
    Who else but Marian could have a discussion about the ove long working week that people have? #hardfeckingneck

    Marian is a Star, she has put the work in and earned her present job.
    She is also one of the most informed broadcasters in Ireland, Rte were lucky to hold onto her as long as they did, surprised the BBC or top American news networks didn't snap her up.


  • #319
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Marian certainly has the work/life balance cracked! :rolleyes:

    Anyone who falls into the trap of working 24/7 should remember that "graveyards are full of people who could not be done without" ... ;)


  • #320
    newcavanman
    Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭newcavanman


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Marian is a Star, she has put the work in and earned her present job.
    She is also one of the most informed broadcasters in Ireland, Rte were lucky to hold onto her as long as they did, surprised the BBC or top American news networks didn't snap her up.
    She main once have been a top broadcaster, but she certainly isnt anymore. Right now shes running on the gravey train that rte provides for people who are well past their best . Given the wealth of scandals and incompetence that we have seen in public life, her sunday show should be a vehicle to seriously address such issues. Instead it has become a group think meeting of like minded people . There is never anyone on , who really wants to have a go at the many sacred cows in the public sector and the establishment . As the programme presenter, she has to bear major responsibility for this . The lack of decent alternative shows in that slot is a major failing by the independent radio companies


  • #321
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,402 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    newcavanman wrote: »
    She main once have been a top broadcaster, but she certainly isnt anymore. Right now shes running on the gravey train that rte provides for people who are well past their best . Given the wealth of scandals and incompetence that we have seen in public life, her sunday show should be a vehicle to seriously address such issues. Instead it has become a group think meeting of like minded people . There is never anyone on , who really wants to have a go at the many sacred cows in the public sector and the establishment . As the programme presenter, she has to bear major responsibility for this . The lack of decent alternative shows in that slot is a major failing by the independent radio companies

    Every scandal is done to death by RTE all week long. I don't listen to her but I know the weekend magazine format on radio and TV everywhere. Talking heads reading stuff out of newspapers, and said papers are publishing stuff about TV and radio. If you think it is going to be something different that would be the triumph of hope over experience as the saying goes.

    I believe there is a politics programme immediately following her on Saturdays which might be more what you are looking for.


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  • #322
    [Deleted User]
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    Did anyone hear the gasps of disbelief of Marian this morning when Maureen Gaffney (psychologist) told her that Americans only get 2 weeks of paid holidays per year.

    Wait till she hears that most of us are doing 40-hour weeks


  • #323
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    Darragh McCullough and Sinead O'Carroll on Brexit - Can we just have Marion talking about the rugby yesterday instead, I think it would have more credibility?


  • #324
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Rte the echo chamber.
    Only left wing presenters and guests across all radio and television programs.
    The one time the had a decenting voice on the late late show Ryan threatened to beat up Peter Casey after his ambush didn't work.
    Fake news


  • #325
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    Had to laugh when I turned on the radio this morning. Having listened to all the same opinions in RTE telling us how bad a man Nigel Farage is, I hear his party is leading the polls in the UK. Seems like they have the same disconnect between the people in radio studios and the people on the street in the UK that we have here. Have they ever had a person in studio who was less than 100% supportive of the European project?


  • #326
    Beechwoodspark
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    In fairness (and nobody could say I’m her biggest fan) Marian and other guests OFTEN say that the EU needs deep reform.

    Ppl could say it’s just lip service but she does say it regularly


  • #327
    serfboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,721 ✭✭✭serfboard


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    Having listened to all the same opinions in RTE telling us how bad a man Nigel Farage is, I hear his party is leading the polls in the UK.
    Just because he is leading the polls, doesn't mean Nigel Farage is a good man. He's a good salesman, which means he rarely speaks a word of the truth. He's a tool of the oligarchs who has tapped into the malaise in British society, and is falsely telling them that, rather than it being the fault of tax-avoiding billionaires which their own government could do something about, it's the fault of the EU.

    Also, his party is leading in the EU polls - but then UKIP always performed far better in EU polls then they did in the general election. Remember:
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Farage has stood for election to the House of Commons seven times, in five general elections and two by-elections, but has not won any of those elections.


  • #328
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    serfboard wrote: »
    Just because he is leading the polls, doesn't mean Nigel Farage is a good man. He's a good salesman, which means he rarely speaks a word of the truth. He's a tool of the oligarchs who has tapped into the malaise in British society, and is falsely telling them that, rather than it being the fault of tax-avoiding billionaires which their own government could do something about, it's the fault of the EU.

    Also, his party is leading in the EU polls - but then UKIP always performed far better in EU polls then they did in the general election. Remember:


    I mean Americans falling for the palaver of the clown prince I can understand but the BRITISH ... the nation that gave us Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes & The Life of Brian!!!!:P


  • #329
    [Deleted User]
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    Callan57 wrote: »
    I mean Americans falling for the palaver of the clown prince I can understand but the BRITISH ... the nation that gave us Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes & The Life of Brian!!!!:P
    But more recently, Britain's cultural offerings have been Iceland (the supermarket), Brexit, and Mrs Brown's Boys.

    I knew it was over for Britain when Sir Elton John retired, but today I read in the newspapers that even Jeremy Kyle has been pulled.

    Britain has fallen.


  • #330
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    I'm not convinced on the need, or desirability, of elected mayors but whoever that guy is opposing them is pathetic ... unprepared, lacking clarity and not a clue of cost - but sure why would he, he's in the magic world where nobody pays for anything.


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  • #331
    serfboard
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    Callan57 wrote: »
    I'm not convinced on the need, or desirability, of elected mayors but whoever that guy is opposing them is pathetic ... unprepared, lacking clarity and not a clue of cost - but sure why would he, he's in the magic world where nobody pays for anything.
    Wrong thread there, Callan - it's the Sean O'Rourke thread you're looking for.

    The guy opposing them is Mick Barry, the PBP TD for Cork North-Central.


  • #332
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    serfboard wrote: »
    Just because he is leading the polls, doesn't mean Nigel Farage is a good man.

    Yeah, but my point is that if you listen to RTE you would think that the most critical point is that Sinead O'Carroll and journal.ie think that it's a terrible idea to leave the EU, as opposed to the fact that this is what the British people democratically voted for. RTE seems to prefer to have journalists explain away how people voted, as opposed to respecting the democratic votes of the citizens.


  • #333
    Dan Jaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,917 ✭✭✭✭Dan Jaman


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    Yeah, but my point is that if you listen to RTE you would think that the most critical point is that Sinead O'Carroll and journal.ie think that it's a terrible idea to leave the EU, as opposed to the fact that this is what the British people democratically voted for. RTE seems to prefer to have journalists explain away how people voted, as opposed to respecting the democratic votes of the citizens.


    The British people 'democratically voted for' a tissue of lies, deception, deliberately misleading bullshyt, and utter hogwash, every element of which can be proved to be so, in retrospect.
    Unfortunately, the majority of the voting public at the time were woefully ill- and under-informed of any semblence of the truth so that they fell for such lies and scurrilous manipulation.
    As always, democracy is shown to have an easily manipulated weak side to it.
    Now, having said all that, I voted for Britain to enter the EEC / EEA in the mid-70s, but I certainly didn't vote for membership of a European Super-State which it set itself on a course towards, quite unapproved by any ordinary Joe Soap voters anywhere in Europe.
    Even so, I'd have voted Remain this time around, in the hope of carrying out some reforms from within.
    Always remember Bertie's words of wisdom; "'Tis better to be inside the tent pissing out." 
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  • #334
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Dan Jaman wrote: »
    The British people 'democratically voted for' a tissue of lies, deception, deliberately misleading bullshyt, and utter hogwash, every element of which can be proved to be so, in retrospect.
    Unfortunately, the majority of the voting public at the time were woefully ill- and under-informed of any semblence of the truth so that they fell for such lies and scurrilous manipulation.
    As always, democracy is shown to have an easily manipulated weak side to it.
    Now, having said all that, I voted for Britain to enter the EEC / EEA in the mid-70s, but I certainly didn't vote for membership of a European Super-State which it set itself on a course towards, quite unapproved by any ordinary Joe Soap voters anywhere in Europe.
    Even so, I'd have voted Remain this time around, in the hope of carrying out some reforms from within.
    Always remember Bertie's words of wisdom; "'Tis better to be inside the tent pissing out."


    If I remember correctly the point of the Bertie comment was that if you had them in the tent you could control them and basically neurtalise them .. just saying ;)


  • #335
    serfboard
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    Dan Jaman wrote: »
    Unfortunately, the majority of the voting public at the time were woefully ill- and under-informed of any semblence of the truth so that they fell for such lies and scurrilous manipulation.
    The point is, though, why where they open to such lies and manipulation? Because their standard of life has declined, and they wanted to give two fingers to the establishment, who wanted them to vote Remain.

    The reason for the decline in their standard of life, of course, has nothing got to do with the EU, and if anything, the Brexiteers will make their lives worse, given the chance.
    Dan Jaman wrote: »
    I certainly didn't vote for membership of a European Super-State which it set itself on a course towards
    And that's fine - there are some many different levels of arrangement you can have now - EEA/EFTA/Switzerland. Unfortunately, none of these concrete proposals were on the ballot paper. There was no concrete proposal on the ballot paper, and thus the UK has the problem it now has - which type of Brexit do you want?
    Dan Jaman wrote: »
    quite unapproved by any ordinary Joe Soap voters anywhere in Europe.
    Anywhere except here! We've had referendums at differing stages of deepening European integration, thanks to the Crotty judgement, which itself is a result of having a written constitution (unlike the UK).

    Also, changes to the European Union were agreed by democratically-elected heads of state.
    Dan Jaman wrote: »
    Always remember Bertie's words of wisdom; "'Tis better to be inside the tent pissing out."
    Not a Bertie original, though - in fact originally said by Lyndon Johnson in 1971.


  • #336
    Oops69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Oops69


    Marion , doing a Darth Vader impression this morning .


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  • #337
    Oops69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Oops69


    Seamus Mallon , a great man but Jesus he always went on and on and on and a statement was always only the first paragraph in a long monologue .


  • #338
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Oops69 wrote: »
    Seamus Mallon , a great man but Jesus he always went on and on and on and a statement was always only the first paragraph in a long monologue .


    One of the bravest & most honourable men Ireland has produced, straight talking, blunt & never obfuscated.

    Can't wait to get my hands on his book.


  • #339
    Oops69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Oops69


    Callan57 wrote: »
    One of the bravest & most honourable men Ireland has produced, straight talking, blunt & never obfuscated.

    Can't wait to get my hands on his book.
    straight talking ,yes , but it took him a long time to do it .


  • #340
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    Am I right in hearing that RTE had a climate change denier on this morning. Very unusual to have a disparate voice on the subject on. Did he say much, is it worth listening back to?


  • #341
    Dan Jaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,917 ✭✭✭✭Dan Jaman


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    Am I right in hearing that RTE had a climate change denier on this morning. Very unusual to have a disparate voice on the subject on. Did he say much, is it worth listening back to?


    Why would anything a denier had to say be in any way interesting? 
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  • #342
    serfboard
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    Holy Jaysus, Bertie Ahern on - again.


  • #343
    boombang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭boombang


    Anybody else surprised by how little the Maria Bailey story featured today or yesterday? I understand why RTE might not have given it much coverage before polls closed on Friday. However, I think it should be open season yesterday and today; even more so today once her had has been dropped. This is an important political story and deserves comment.


  • #344
    robo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭robo


    boombang wrote: »
    Anybody else surprised by how little the Maria Bailey story featured today or yesterday? I understand why RTE might not have given it much coverage before polls closed on Friday. However, I think it should be open season yesterday and today; even more so today once her had has been dropped. This is an important political story and deserves comment.

    Newstalk didn't shy away from it - they asked every FG TD that was on about it (well any I heard) and asked non-FG about it too.
    Also in fairness to Matt Cooper (TLW - TodayFM), he also has been on this a good bit during last week & I'd be surprised if there is no mention or a slot about it next week as himself & Charlie Weston were tweeting about it.


    Listening to Marian Finucane over the past while, they really badly need to do a overhaul of the guests, she is not used to chatting to young vibrant politicians, journalists, bloggers or business people - she showed that yesterday with her "talking down, condescending " interview with Saoirse (GP MEP) yesterday! It was embarrassing for a veteran interviewer!

    RTE badly need to look at this slot on a Saturday & Sunday and need to open their eyes to a different type of show with more diverse panels and innovative presenters!


  • #345
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    robo wrote: »
    Newstalk didn't shy away from it - they asked every FG TD that was on about it (well any I heard) and asked non-FG about it too.
    Also in fairness to Matt Cooper (TLW - TodayFM), he also has been on this a good bit during last week & I'd be surprised if there is no mention or a slot about it next week as himself & Charlie Weston were tweeting about it.


    Listening to Marian Finucane over the past while, they really badly need to do a overhaul of the guests, she is not used to chatting to young vibrant politicians, journalists, bloggers or business people - she showed that yesterday with her "talking down, condescending " interview with Saoirse (GP MEP) yesterday! It was embarrassing for a veteran interviewer!

    RTE badly need to look at this slot on a Saturday & Sunday and need to open their eyes to a different type of show with more diverse panels and innovative presenters!


    Agree completly ... it was cringemaking.
    I don't think there was any shortage of discussion of the Maria Bailey "story" including plenty of jokes but why has there been no mention of the 3 councillors who featured on the Prime Time investigation all be reelected?
    :rolleyes:


  • #346
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    "Theresa May made just about every mistake in the book" says Bertie. He really does have some neck given what he presided over.


  • #347
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    boombang wrote: »
    Anybody else surprised by how little the Maria Bailey story featured today or yesterday?

    I think the whole mocking tone of the whole story from the media is really objectionable. The inference of almost every story I've read is that it was essentially her own damned fault and she was trying to pull a fast one for a few quid.

    I read this morning that she's dropping the case anyway. She said that she just wanted to get the medical expenses of 7K for something that she thought was negligent on the hotel's part.


  • #348
    [Deleted User]
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    An outpouring of sympathy for Maria Bailey here.

    "Unfair!", "The visuals were all wrong!", "lack of nuance!"

    Jesus, the woman seems to have given false information under oath. In other places, she'd be out on her ear, or up before a judge.


  • #349
    jeremyj1968
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    What did she lie about?

    (I don't know the full ins and outs)


  • #350
    boombang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭boombang


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    What did she lie about?

    (I don't know the full ins and outs)

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057982304


  • #351
    boombang
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    An outpouring of sympathy for Maria Bailey here.

    "Unfair!", "The visuals were all wrong!", "lack of nuance!"

    Jesus, the woman seems to have given false information under oath. In other places, she'd be out on her ear, or up before a judge.

    Bertie said Maria's father is a good man. If the Wikipedia page on him is correct, he is not a good man.


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