Heavyweight Boxing

Cyrus · 31-05-2021 3:30pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Cannot see Usyk being able for AJ to be honest.
More chance of an upset in Fury v Wilder.

Mind you at this stage we just need to see some fights happening, so much posturing/BS with so little ring time.

Yep agreed

Noises from john Fury aren't great tbh

squinn2912 · 31-05-2021 6:33pm

walshb wrote: »

I am thinking by early 2022 it will all be behind us....

AJ/Fury/Wilder/Usyk will have been settled.....

The results.......who knows...but the fights will be over.

I hope you’re right any longer than a year from now is too
Long.

nacho libre · 01-06-2021 11:38am

squinn2912 wrote: »

I hope you’re right any longer than a year from now is too
Long.

Yes, we don't want it to turn into another Pacquaio and Mayweather scenario whereby they are past their best when they finally meet.

OmegaGene · 01-06-2021 11:40am

this sounds like shelly finkle and co wanted the pay out rather than the fight, frank warren said the arbitrattion was for damages rather than the rematch

Finkel, 76, went on to reveal that Wilder's camp never even received an offer to step aside.

He added: "We never looked for a step aside or anything.

"But on my logic, if it were me, and I were in Eddie's shoes and before the decision, I'm looking at 150million, plus PPV, plus international TV, whatever. Probably looking close to 200million.

"What would it take to say, 'Hey guys, there is a chance we'll lose, so instead of making 200million, let's offer them something and see if they're interested?'

"It never came to that. It's just silly. If it were me, I would have spoke to my fighter, and said, 'Look, instead of making 100 million, make 90.'

"A lot more than he's going to make to fight Usyk, for sure and we hope to disrupt the party."

nacho libre · 01-06-2021 8:43pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

this sounds like shelly finkle and co wanted the pay out rather than the fight, frank warren said the arbitrattion was for damages rather than the rematch

Finkel, 76, went on to reveal that Wilder's camp never even received an offer to step aside.

He added: "We never looked for a step aside or anything.

"But on my logic, if it were me, and I were in Eddie's shoes and before the decision, I'm looking at 150million, plus PPV, plus international TV, whatever. Probably looking close to 200million.

"What would it take to say, 'Hey guys, there is a chance we'll lose, so instead of making 200million, let's offer them something and see if they're interested?'

"It never came to that. It's just silly. If it were me, I would have spoke to my fighter, and said, 'Look, instead of making 100 million, make 90.'

"A lot more than he's going to make to fight Usyk, for sure and we hope to disrupt the party."

Well someone is lying, because it was put out that Wilder wanted 20 million to step aside. It would not surprise me if Bob Arum knew months ago the Joshua fight was not going to happen, and he was just happy to keep Fury in the public eye. It might explain the interviews he gave where he cautioned the fight might not happen, but still held out the prospect that it might. As Finkel says to make the biggest we've seen years, why would both parties not agree to a little less money in order to make it happen.

yourdeadwright · 01-06-2021 10:29pm

nacho libre wrote: »

Well someone is lying, because it was put out that Wilder wanted 20 million to step aside. It would not surprise me if Bob Arum knew months ago the Joshua fight was not going to happen, and he was just happy to keep Fury in the public eye. It might explain the interviews he gave where he cautioned the fight might not happen, but still held out the prospect that it might. As Finkel says to make the biggest we've seen years, why would both parties not agree to a little less money in order to make it happen.

Any one notice in the day's leading up to the Billy Joe fight Fury was interviewed in the hotel. &
kept sayin in interviews he couldnt talk about Wilder as he recently found out it would be used againt in court

Also he bought a house in Vegas a week before that fight almost like he knew hed be back in Vegas ASAP,

I reckon himself & his team found out a week or two before everyone else & said nothing to use the publicity,

Very unFury like not to put out a social media video condemning the decisions,

I reckon his team new & talked him into the 3rd Wilder fight, Remember he kept talking about being inactive & wanting a fight any fight as being inactive would be his hardest challenge v AJ, almost teasing a warm up,

He probably stunned Wilder & his team agreeing to the fight & not offering step aside money lile they actually wanted

Fury now gets a warm up, gets well paid & fights a guy he beat last time out

OmegaGene · 02-06-2021 9:45am

as your username suggests i think youre dead right lol
fury could do with a fight before aj really after not fighting in december as planned and an easier opponent might have been a shout

nacho libre · 02-06-2021 2:54pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Any one notice in the day's leading up to the Billy Joe fight Fury was interviewed in the hotel. &
kept sayin in interviews he couldnt talk about Wilder as he recently found out it would be used againt in court

Also he bought a house in Vegas a week before that fight almost like he knew hed be back in Vegas ASAP,

I did not hear those interviews, but it does makes sense. It would explain why he really held out on signing the contract to fight AJ, he claimed it was over a guarantee on site fees.
No doubt Bob Arum is persuasive, but so much for titles and money not really meaning anything to Tyson.

OmegaGene · 02-06-2021 2:59pm

nacho libre wrote: »

I did not hear those interviews, but it does makes sense. It would explain why he really held out on signing the contract to fight AJ, he claimed it was over a guarantee on site fees.
No doubt Bob Arum is persuasive, but so much for titles and money not really meaning anything to Tyson.

They knew the arbitration result was close but only the judge would know the outcome and it wasn’t his first boxing case either

Titles and money not meaning anything ? It’s a legal obligation to fulfil the original contract so what’s he meant to do
Frank Warren said that the arbitration means the fight has to happen by September regardless of wether there’s a belt involved, so fury can’t toss the belt in the bin and fight Aj as his dad said the other day

nacho libre · 02-06-2021 4:07pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

They knew the arbitration result was close but only the judge would know the outcome and it wasn’t his first boxing case either

Titles and money not meaning anything ? It’s a legal obligation to fulfil the original contract so what’s he meant to do
Frank Warren said that the arbitration means the fight has to happen by September regardless of wether there’s a belt involved, so fury can’t toss the belt in the bin and fight Aj as his dad said the other day

Ah Fair enough. I thought he could avoid it by either giving up the belt or by paying step aside money.

FileNotFound · 03-06-2021 8:29am

Even if Fury could just hand the belt back and skip the fight, surely that would impact the Joshua fight.
A 3 belt champ (or 2 if he had to give one up also) v a no belt past champ with everything on the line would mean some renegotiation at the least.

Anyway total mess and only winner seems to be that dinosaur Frank Warren.

StringerBell · 03-06-2021 10:57am

nacho libre wrote: »

Ah Fair enough. I thought he could avoid it by either giving up the belt or by paying step aside money.

Far as I know it could have been avoided by paying the step aside money, not sure why dropping the belt wouldn't have been an option either but I don't blame him for not dropping the belt.

As for money etc meaning nothing to Fury, more fool anyone who actually believes the ****e that man spouts.

walshb · 03-06-2021 11:03am

StringerBell wrote: »

As for money etc meaning nothing to Fury, more fool anyone who actually believes the ****e that man spouts.

Couldn't agree more...

An absolute waffler

Anyone ever find out what happened to that claim that he would donate all his purse money from Wilder 1 money to charity?

Cyrus · 03-06-2021 12:29pm

walshb wrote: »

Couldn't agree more...

An absolute waffler

Anyone ever find out what happened to that claim that he would donate all his purse money from Wilder 1 money to charity?

he has said a few times he followed through on it,

you dont believe him?

Butson · 03-06-2021 12:44pm

Wilder saying today he wants Joshua after he beats Fury.

If Usyk v Joshua is going to happen, we should get an announcement this weekend? I think they had 10 days to sort it out.

Morrison J · 03-06-2021 12:51pm

Butson wrote: »

Wilder saying today he wants Joshua after he beats Fury.

If Usyk v Joshua is going to happen, we should get an announcement this weekend? I think they had 10 days to sort it out.

The 10 days was up on Tuesday I think so they've either got an agreement in place and are ready to announce or it's going to purse bids/not happening.

walshb · 03-06-2021 1:44pm

Cyrus wrote: »

he has said a few times he followed through on it,

you dont believe him?

No. Don’t believe him

Hearn called bull as well.

I haven’t heard any charity/group verify or mention receiving the money..

Until I do hear some actual verification, I’ll see it as bull..

I kind of knew it was bull when I first heard it..

8 million a lot a lot of cash. Pounds as well I think..

Btw, I wouldn’t have given it to charity either with all the scandals and skullduggery going around..

nacho libre · 03-06-2021 3:51pm

walshb wrote: »

No. Don’t believe him

Hearn called bull as well.

I haven’t heard any charity/group verify or mention receiving the money..

Until I do hear some actual verification, I’ll see it as bull..

I kind of knew it was bull when I first heard it..

8 million a lot a lot of cash. Pounds as well I think..

Btw, I wouldn’t have given it to charity either with all the scandals and skullduggery going around..

Unless he swore them to secrecy, but i doubt it. Some rich people do it on the one condition that they will remain anonymous

I don't begrudge him earning as much as he can and enjoying it, but spouting that money means nothing to him in interviews is just pure waffle.

squinn2912 · 03-06-2021 4:10pm

The notion that any of these guys don’t have at least one eye on the money is moronically absurd!! Of course he cares about it.
I see fury has launched some meal
Plan thing blowing about losing 30 lbs in a month. I suppose he wants to do that out of the good of his heart? That’s without even getting into how reckless and irresponsible it is to encourage drastic weight loss like that

walshb · 03-06-2021 4:43pm

nacho libre wrote: »

Unless he swore them to secrecy, but i doubt it. Some rich people do it on the one condition that they will remain anonymous

I don't begrudge him earning as much as he can and enjoying it, but spouting that money means nothing to him in interviews is just pure waffle.

Well, he made it very public, so unless I see something public to verify it, to me it's bull

Anyway, I have no idea why they cannot just say that the money means a lot. Be proud to say it. They are risking their lives every time they step inside that ring

BJS another one and his money means nothing to me....of course it does, and did....maybe fighters think that we will not respect them for saying it...?

Anyway, saying it's important is fine, the vulagarness' of people and money is where I see an issue.....the in your face gloating and boasting and not having any concept of value irks me. Mayweather is very annoying, and odd with his in your face money boasts.....weird.

walshb · 04-06-2021 8:18am

Morrison J wrote: »

The 10 days was up on Tuesday I think so they've either got an agreement in place and are ready to announce or it's going to purse bids/not happening.

I think an extension has been granted..

Hearn saying a good offer was made to Usyk..

If true, let’s see them fight. AJ is 100 percent the A side...

Usyk should get on and fight for the belt..AJ s the champ. Go earn the belt, Usyk..

yourdeadwright · 04-06-2021 9:43am

I seen Wilders latest interview & its convinced me he has no chance,
He is still lying to himself about the last fight talking about cheating, juju on him & all sorts ,
If he doesn't ko Fury in 2 rounds that's it , he will realise oh no he just beat me up for real last time ,

walshb · 04-06-2021 10:04am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen Wilders latest interview & its convinced me he has no chance,
He is still lying to himself about the last fight talking about cheating, juju on him & all sorts ,
If he doesn't ko Fury in 2 rounds that's it , he will realise oh no he just beat me up for real last time ,

He always has a chance.....

But, seems that chance is just the KO shot....

So, no amount talk/interviews should change that...

yourdeadwright · 04-06-2021 10:09am

walshb wrote: »

He always has a chance.....

But, seems that chance is just the KO shot....

So, no amount talk/interviews should change that...

I agree but if Wilder spoke like he actually understands that himself you'd believe he could pull it off,

From your first amateur bout to the pro's one of the most import things in boxing is to understand your weaknesses & learn form where you went wrong ,To take a beating like he did & think its because of cheating or some kind of juju is not going to help you at all in a rematch ,

I wonder does his team agree with this nonsense or behind his back do they realise all he holes & try to fix them ,

squinn2912 · 04-06-2021 4:01pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I agree but if Wilder spoke like he actually understands that himself you'd believe he could pull it off,

From your first amateur bout to the pro's one of the most import things in boxing is to understand your weaknesses & learn form where you went wrong ,To take a beating like he did & think its because of cheating or some kind of juju is not going to help you at all in a rematch ,

I wonder does his team agree with this nonsense or behind his back do they realise all he holes & try to fix them ,

I suspect he is deluded but it could be a good way to throw Fury off the scent. If Fury believes he’s easy picking then that huge ko shot becomes more probable

walshb · 04-06-2021 4:18pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I suspect he is deluded but it could be a good way to throw Fury off the scent. If Fury believes he’s easy picking then that huge ko shot becomes more probable

Funny, I was thinking similar today

If I was his trainer, I'd be wanting Wilder to play uninterested, awkward, spoiling and disjointed; and every so often try for the big shot, but mix it up.....

Spook Fury, almost.....

Go in and be uninterested and negative, and out of the blue, try fpr the big shot....you miss it, reset and start again

Cyrus · 04-06-2021 4:23pm

walshb wrote: »

Funny, I was thinking similar today

If I was his trainer, I'd be wanting Wilder to play uninterested, awkward, spoiling and disjointed; and every so often try for the big shot, but mix it up.....

is that not his normal game plan :pac:

walshb · 04-06-2021 4:25pm

Cyrus wrote: »

is that not his normal game plan :pac:

You know, you could be right

I was thinking the same......

Maybe try it more.....a bit more Oliver McCall fight 2 v Lewis!!!!!!!!!

yourdeadwright · 04-06-2021 4:39pm

walshb wrote: »

Funny, I was thinking similar today

If I was his trainer, I'd be wanting Wilder to play uninterested, awkward, spoiling and disjointed; and every so often try for the big shot, but mix it up.....

Spook Fury, almost.....

Go in and be uninterested and negative, and out of the blue, try fpr the big shot....you miss it, reset and start again

For a game plan in the ring ye sure but just the way he is outside the ring he is completely deluded ,Its not an act either its him he truly believes he got cheated

Wait and see when we get to press conference and interview stage,
He is an absolute corn ball its like American fighters are stuck in the 80's with the stuff they come out with,
Wilder will whisper stuff for effect & talks like he is a scary bad guy in a movie, Fury will just laugh at him and lay down the facts ,

Its the reason why guys like McGregor & Fury have become so popular in the States they can actually be witty and talk crap without sounding cheesy,
Even the Diaz brothers are seen as entertainment because they don't go own the corny road ,

walshb · 04-06-2021 4:50pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

For a game plan in the ring ye sure but just the way he is outside the ring he is completely deluded ,Its not an act either its him he truly believes he got cheated

Wait and see when we get to press conference and interview stage,
He is an absolute corn ball its like American fighters are stuck in the 80's with the stuff they come out with,
Wilder will whisper stuff for effect & talks like he is a scary bad guy in a movie, Fury will just laugh at him and lay down the facts ,

Its the reason why guys like McGregor & Fury have become so popular in the States they can actually be witty and talk crap without sounding cheesy,
Even the Diaz brothers are seen as entertainment because they don't go own the corny road ,

He is deluded alright

As for McGregor.....never got this charm/wittiness with him....

Far too contrived and forced...

yourdeadwright · 04-06-2021 4:56pm

walshb wrote: »

He is deluded alright

As for McGregor.....never got this charm/wittiness with him....

Far too contrived and forced...

I don't like the man but in his early days he had very well thought out clever one liners ,

Some of them are used out side of MMA now like "who the fook is that guy " & " red pantie night "

squinn2912 · 04-06-2021 10:50pm

walshb wrote: »

Funny, I was thinking similar today

If I was his trainer, I'd be wanting Wilder to play uninterested, awkward, spoiling and disjointed; and every so often try for the big shot, but mix it up.....

Spook Fury, almost.....

Go in and be uninterested and negative, and out of the blue, try fpr the big shot....you miss it, reset and start again

I meant more during the buildup to try to make fury more complacent. I think if those were his tactics in the fight he’d get eaten alive. I think he needs to do more than just hope for a Hail Mary. I always thought he had a fair jab when he used it. I think he needs to hurt Fury and set something up.

walshb · 05-06-2021 7:44am

squinn2912 wrote: »

I meant more during the buildup to try to make fury more complacent. I think if those were his tactics in the fight he’d get eaten alive. I think he needs to do more than just hope for a Hail Mary. I always thought he had a fair jab when he used it. I think he needs to hurt Fury and set something up.

But I think most people believe a KO shot, Hail Mary shot is his best, if not only chance to win..

It’s about how he can get it...

I am tinking he plays possum, uninterested and nonchalant. Lulling Fury into a comfortable and complacent zone, and then gets in the shot on a “sleeping” Fury..

walshb · 08-06-2021 7:48pm

Usyk/AJ September at Spurs stadium..

Looking like it.

SHOVELLER · 09-06-2021 9:36pm

walshb wrote: »

Usyk/AJ September at Spurs stadium..

Looking like it.

Wouldnt mind going to that except had planned to see gridiron in same venue in October!

Butson · 10-06-2021 10:18am

That would be a good fight to attend alright.

Spurs ground is pretty compact so I'd imagine you would have a pretty good view from most seats.

A Shaved Duck? · 10-06-2021 10:52am

Uysk beats AJ to spoil the party imo, people seem to be hanging on some mythical skill set AJ possesses against a better boxer and fellow olympic golf medalist.

walshb · 10-06-2021 11:22am

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

Uysk beats AJ to spoil the party imo, people seem to be hanging on some mythical skill set AJ possesses against a better boxer and fellow olympic golf medalist.

What's this skillset talk?

Can you define it, or what AJ is missing etc....

Juts throwing out the word skillset here is a little vague, to be honest.

Usyk has skills and talent and ability......

His skills/traits for me are good feet, balance, movement, volume, fitness, variation and ability to adjust

Does AJ have skills/traits and talent and ability?

AJ, for me: Power off both wings, punch variation, solid feet and punch mechanics, jab, size, height, reach...

A Shaved Duck? · 10-06-2021 11:50am

walshb wrote: »

What's this skillset talk?

Can you define it, or what AJ is missing etc....

Juts throwing out the word skillset here is a little vague, to be honest.

Usyk has skills and talent and ability......

His skills/traits for me are good feet, balance, movement, volume, fitness, variation and ability to adjust

Does AJ have skills/traits and talent and ability?

AJ, for me: Power off both wings, punch variation, solid feet and punch mechanics, jab, size, height, reach...

Personally i feel that some of the traits you have detailed are a little overrated when it comes to AJ. Uysk's better movement skills and stamina and will wear down AJ and possible stop him around 8-10.

I dont buy into AJ being anything other than an above average heavyweight lucky enough to be in a shallow pool of talent. Lets look back at his last 7 fights.

Pulev - A Euro level plodder hand made for AJ
Ruiz II - Ruiz had been on a bender for months and came in 16lbs over his already inflated weight.
Ruiz I - Ruiz didnt exactly fight like Ali and beat the **** out of AJ
Povetkin - Hard to argue that he was not at least 5 years past his best and was doing the Euro cash in roadshow already.
Parker - Jabbed his head off all night, but since parker has barely scraped past chisora the form does not exactly stack up.
Takam - I have better head movement
Klitschko - Had AJ in all sorts of trouble before getting stopped late on - Not remotely close to a prime version of himself.

Dont get me wrong i like watching AJ fight as he exciting and has huge power but his skills and record are vastly overrated in real terms.

Why has he not fought fury or wilder in this period?

walshb · 10-06-2021 12:16pm

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

Personally i feel that some of the traits you have detailed are a little overrated when it comes to AJ. Uysk's better movement skills and stamina and will wear down AJ and possible stop him around 8-10.

I dont buy into AJ being anything other than an above average heavyweight lucky enough to be in a shallow pool of talent. Lets look back at his last 7 fights.

Pulev - A Euro level plodder hand made for AJ
Ruiz II - Ruiz had been on a bender for months and came in 16lbs over his already inflated weight.
Ruiz I - Ruiz didnt exactly fight like Ali and beat the **** out of AJ
Povetkin - Hard to argue that he was not at least 5 years past his best and was doing the Euro cash in roadshow already.
Parker - Jabbed his head off all night, but since parker has barely scraped past chisora the form does not exactly stack up.
Takam - I have better head movement
Klitschko - Had AJ in all sorts of trouble before getting stopped late on - Not remotely close to a prime version of himself.

Dont get me wrong i like watching AJ fight as he exciting and has huge power but his skills and record are vastly overrated in real terms.

Why has he not fought fury or wilder in this period?

But you have gone off the page now and started ripping his level of opposition

Usyk has fought Whiterspoon and Chrisora...

So, we can leave the opposition levels alone....

Why has he not fought Fury? Well, we know why....it was set to go ahead.....

Why has Fury not fought AJ? Again, we know why.....I don't see any reason to slate AJ for this...

A Shaved Duck? · 10-06-2021 3:51pm

walshb wrote: »

But you have gone off the page now and started ripping his level of opposition

Usyk has fought Whiterspoon and Chrisora...

So, we can leave the opposition levels alone....

Why has he not fought Fury? Well, we know why....it was set to go ahead.....

Why has Fury not fought AJ? Again, we know why.....I don't see any reason to slate AJ for this...

Why do we leave the opposition levels alone?, all the points you make on movement etc and punch mechanics have been against these guys. He looks good against the same type of fighters that are either euro level or well past their best.

I honestly think Uysk will beat him.

walshb · 10-06-2021 4:16pm

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

Why do we leave the opposition levels alone?, all the points you make on movement etc and punch mechanics have been against these guys. He looks good against the same type of fighters that are either euro level or well past their best.

I honestly think Uysk will beat him.

Ok, so Usyk at HW has beaten Whiterspoon and Chisora....looked very ordinary vs Chisora.....looked lost at times, and Chisora is muck!

And, the opposition outside the top three is pretty poor....

AJ has beaten everyone he has faced..........

He was due to face Fury and it fell through.......

Him and Wilder never got to fight. Big deal....

Not sure how criticizing who he has beaten is at all relevant here, or relevant anywhere on the HW scene.....

Fury/AJ and Wilder are the top dogs......outside this, who cares who any of them have fought...

Usyk has skills and AJ has skills......this talk of one having such a superiors skillset compared to the other makes no sense to me...

Personally I rather watching AJ than Usyk. I think he is neater, more polished and a far cleaner puncher.....punching wise I think he is better than Usyk.

walshb · 10-06-2021 4:21pm

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

Klitschko - Had AJ in all sorts of trouble before getting stopped late on - Not remotely close to a prime version of himself.

Dont get me wrong i like watching AJ fight as he exciting and has huge power but his skills and record are vastly overrated in real terms.

Why has he not fought fury or wilder in this period?

Klit had AJ in trouble, but AJ had him in more trouble and closed the show for a TKO/KO; nobody had done that to Wlad in many years....yes, not at his peak, Klit, but still very good.

And, why criticize AJ here for the Fury and Wilder fights?

Are you saying AJ is to blame because the Fury fight fell through?

Have you some details/evidence that Wilder/AJ did not happen because of AJ?

Bobby Baccala · 10-06-2021 7:57pm

Unfair to describe Pulev as a euro level plodder, the man has only lost twice both being against AJ and Wlad. Wouldn’t go pigeon holing him with lads like Chisora on double figure losses who is the epitome of a plodder.

Morrison J · 14-06-2021 8:03pm

Should be interesting

https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/1404418261874270215?s=19

yourdeadwright · 15-06-2021 11:00am

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

Personally i feel that some of the traits you have detailed are a little overrated when it comes to AJ. Uysk's better movement skills and stamina and will wear down AJ and possible stop him around 8-10.

I dont buy into AJ being anything other than an above average heavyweight lucky enough to be in a shallow pool of talent. Lets look back at his last 7 fights.

Pulev - A Euro level plodder hand made for AJ
Ruiz II - Ruiz had been on a bender for months and came in 16lbs over his already inflated weight.
Ruiz I - Ruiz didnt exactly fight like Ali and beat the **** out of AJ
Povetkin - Hard to argue that he was not at least 5 years past his best and was doing the Euro cash in roadshow already.
Parker - Jabbed his head off all night, but since parker has barely scraped past chisora the form does not exactly stack up.
Takam - I have better head movement
Klitschko - Had AJ in all sorts of trouble before getting stopped late on - Not remotely close to a prime version of himself.

Dont get me wrong i like watching AJ fight as he exciting and has huge power but his skills and record are vastly overrated in real terms.

Why has he not fought fury or wilder in this period?

Every fight you listed above (Bar Ruiz 1) is more impressive than anything Uysk has done at heavy weight ,

yourdeadwright · 15-06-2021 10:31pm

Wilders done
Afraid to speak or answer questions hiding from the media because he knows his excuses are jut that excuses

Fury really messed him up

Frankly embarrassing for a ex world champion, stinks of Rousey in the UFC when she got beat

squinn2912 · 15-06-2021 10:38pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wilders done
Afraid to speak or answer questions hiding from the media because he knows his excuses are jut that excuses

Fury really messed him up

Frankly embarrassing for a ex world champion, stinks of Rousey in the UFC when she got beat

What’s this all based on? Was the presser tonight?

walshb · 15-06-2021 10:42pm

Two absolute wafflers. Poseurs!

squinn2912 · 15-06-2021 10:45pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

What’s this all based on? Was the presser tonight?

Just checked ss app. Did he not speak at all? I thought that would be his tactic

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