Eir rural FTTH thread III

cnocbui · 03-12-2019 5:41pm

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [151.101.0.81]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.15.1
  2     5 ms     1 ms     1 ms  
  3     6 ms     2 ms     2 ms  eth-trunk108.hcore1.mgr.core.eircom.net [86.43.12.190]
  4     7 ms     3 ms     3 ms  fe2-0.bas1.mvw.galway.eircom.net [159.134.123.5]
  5     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  lag-50-br1-csg-hcore1-bdt.br1.csg.border.eircom.net [86.43.10.163]
  6     3 ms     3 ms     4 ms  be5608.rcr21.dub01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.5.129]
  7     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  be2530.rcr21.dub02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.230]
  8     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  fastly.demarc.cogentco.com [149.11.36.18]
  9     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  151.101.0.81

On eir. I'm in Meath and it's going through Galway and still hitting BBC in 3ms

You must be special.

Ping has started…

PING bbc.co.uk (151.101.64.81): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=0 ttl=56 time=13.815 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=18.857 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=19.514 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=3 ttl=56 time=14.848 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=4 ttl=56 time=19.133 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=5 ttl=56 time=16.456 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=6 ttl=56 time=18.850 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=7 ttl=56 time=18.684 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=8 ttl=56 time=18.020 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.64.81: icmp_seq=9 ttl=56 time=15.765 ms

--- bbc.co.uk ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 13.815/17.394/19.514/1.915 ms

traceroute to bbc.co.uk (151.101.64.81), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets
1 192.168.178.1 (192.168.178.1) 4.607 ms 1.680 ms 1.054 ms
2 ptr-93-89-255-24.ip.airwire.ie (93.89.255.24) 13.276 ms 13.437 ms 14.006 ms
3 ptr-91-189-64-166.ip.airwire.ie (91.189.64.166) 13.773 ms 12.697 ms 13.713 ms
4 mpls3.ctw.dub.airwire.ie (93.89.255.49) 12.061 ms 14.792 ms 15.078 ms
5 mpls2.ctw.dub.airwire.ie (93.89.255.252) 16.131 ms 16.876 ms 15.981 ms
6 freki.ctw.dub.airwire.ie (93.89.255.203) 11.596 ms 12.590 ms 13.776 ms
7 92-51-193-189.broadband.digiweb.ie (92.51.193.189) 14.918 ms 14.731 ms 15.974 ms
8 78.137.184.210 (78.137.184.210) 15.998 ms 12.244 ms 12.945 ms
9 * * *
10 78.137.184.191 (78.137.184.191) 19.182 ms 16.762 ms 15.992 ms
11 be2530.rcr21.dub02.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.2.230) 17.008 ms 20.176 ms 17.041 ms
12 fastly.demarc.cogentco.com (149.11.36.10) 17.102 ms 16.896 ms 14.078 ms
13 151.101.64.81 (151.101.64.81) 16.273 ms 12.359 ms 12.760 ms

Airwire: MartinL · 03-12-2019 6:00pm

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

tuxy · 03-12-2019 6:03pm

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

It would be interesting to see the Westnet and Airwire or other pings to 195.66.224.15

That IP is unreachable for me with Airwire.

UK IPs still 3ms quicker than Irish ones......

Airwire: MartinL · 03-12-2019 6:25pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I am obviously not one of those badly affected by whatever is going on ..... Airwire connection ......

$ ping -c 5 boards.ie
PING boards.ie (104.20.71.96) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=1 ttl=56 time=14.7 ms
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=2 ttl=56 time=12.7 ms
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=3 ttl=56 time=13.6 ms
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=4 ttl=56 time=14.1 ms
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=5 ttl=56 time=12.5 ms

--- boards.ie ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 12.579/13.560/14.741/0.825 ms

Is this a little unstable?

The reason that could vary is, if boards for example has a cluster and you are hitting a different server with each ping. Different load on different servers.

Also, a lot of routers do not prioritize ping requests from clients, which can show up as slightly higher ping times or packet loss on a traceroute at times, when an end to end ping has no packet loss.

Generally something to know about INEX also is, that even though traffic goes through INEX, the other peer may have their servers and equipment in a different part of the world. On a long tail.

For irish servers, that's rarely the case though.

Airwire: MartinL · 03-12-2019 6:30pm

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

It would be interesting to see the Westnet and Airwire or other pings to 195.66.224.15

tuxy wrote: »

That IP is unreachable for me with Airwire

That is because the IP address belongs to LINX, which is the London Internet Exchange.

Internet Exchange IP addresses are not globally routed. You can only reach them, if an Internet Provider is directly connected to said exchange.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 03-12-2019 7:20pm

tuxy wrote: »

That IP is unreachable for me with Airwire.

UK IPs still 3ms quicker than Irish ones......

What UK IPs are you trying? The bbc.co.uk is not a UK IP. It is using Fastly which is routing you to an Irish server as part of a CDN most likely.

Try a traceroute to mirrorservice.org

tuxy · 03-12-2019 7:26pm

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

What UK IPs are you trying? The bbc.co.uk is not a UK IP. It is using Fastly which is routing you to an Irish server as part of a CDN most likely.

Try a traceroute to mirrorservice.org

ah, that makes more sense, 18 hops about 29ms.

AirBiscuit · 03-12-2019 7:46pm

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

It would be interesting to see the Westnet and Airwire or other pings to 195.66.224.15

C:\Users\jimmy>tracert 195.66.224.15
 
Tracing route to linx-gw1.ja.net [195.66.224.15]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
  2     *        5 ms     5 ms  10g-pppoe2-r2.lo0.westnet.ie [88.81.98.23]
  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
   4  wn-edge-r01-10g0.vl304.westnet.ie [88.81.100.33]  reports: Destination net unreachable.


Trace complete

The mystery deepens.

EDIT: No it doesn't, just read this page of posts.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 03-12-2019 8:29pm

tuxy wrote: »

ah, that makes more sense, 18 hops about 29ms.

Yeah, you need to be sure that the server you are testing against is actually in the UK and not using any of the various CDN services.

Tracing route to mirrorservice.org [212.219.56.184]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.15.1
  2     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  
  3     6 ms     2 ms     2 ms  eth-trunk108.hcore1.dbc.core.eircom.net [86.43.12.188]
  4     8 ms     3 ms     3 ms  eth-trunk13.hcore1.bdt.core.eircom.net [159.134.123.1]
  5    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  lag-15-br1-thn-hcore1-bdt.br1.thn.border.eircom.net [86.43.255.199]
  6    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  linx-gw1.ja.net [195.66.224.15]
  7    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  ae23.londtt-sbr1.ja.net [146.97.35.169]
  8    14 ms    12 ms    12 ms  ae28.londtw-sbr2.ja.net [146.97.33.62]
  9    14 ms    14 ms    14 ms  kpsn.londtw-sbr2.ja.net [146.97.41.86]
 10    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  ic-wye-site.kentman.ac.uk [212.219.171.138]
 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 13    14 ms    14 ms    13 ms  uok-c-site.kentman.ac.uk [212.219.171.130]
 14    14 ms    18 ms    15 ms  mirror-fw-cdc.kent.ac.uk [129.12.254.90]
 15    14 ms    14 ms    14 ms  www.mirrorservice.org [212.219.56.184]

Trace complete.

limnam · 03-12-2019 9:01pm

Was fine for me a few minutes ago

now speed tests drop off to everywhere and will probably be like this till about midnight

tuxy · 03-12-2019 9:04pm

limnam wrote: »

Was fine for me a few minutes ago

now speed tests drop off to everywhere and will probably be like this till about midnight

I'm getting close to full speed right now but not the full speed that I had always get no matter the time of day since I got FTTH just over a year ago.
So it's not terrible but something is not quite right.

Headshot · 03-12-2019 9:07pm

It is really strange that during the day speed tests to airwire always come back in the 900s but come around this time frame the speeds really reduce:

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8820029167

I do the same speeds to Blacknight and no issues
https://www.speedtest.net/result/8820026695

tuxy · 03-12-2019 9:09pm

Headshot wrote: »

It is really strange that during the day speed tests to airwire always come back in the 900s but come around this time frame the speeds really reduce:

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8820029167

I do the same speeds to Blacknight and no issues
https://www.speedtest.net/result/8820026695

Interesting that it's like that for people connecting to the airwire network from outside.
This is new, it was never like this until the last few days. The airwire sever on speedtest used to be the go to for reliability.

limnam · 03-12-2019 9:17pm

Headshot wrote: »

It is really strange that during the day speed tests to airwire always come back in the 900s but come around this time frame the speeds really reduce:

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8820029167

I do the same speeds to Blacknight and no issues
https://www.speedtest.net/result/8820026695

This is interesting

Airwire: MartinL · 03-12-2019 9:22pm

We have actually identified an issue with our router on INEX Lan#1. It's not a capacity issue.

It only became evident with the extra load from shutting Lan#2 down.

Other upstream connections are not affected.

This will be sorted in the next day or two, as the replacement has to be tested thoroughly first, so we don't end up with the same issue.

tuxy · 03-12-2019 9:27pm

Thanks for the update Martin, that's reassuring. It's not too bad for me but not as good as the service normally is and I was worried it would continue to get worse if left undiagnosed.

I too will leave speedtest alone and return to my VOIP calls :P

limnam · 03-12-2019 9:27pm

Thanks Martin.

I'll stop hammering speedtest.net and go back to using a few kb/s on irc :pac::pac:

Hammurabi · 04-12-2019 1:00pm

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

We have actually identified an issue with our router on INEX Lan#1. It's not a capacity issue.

It only became evident with the extra load from shutting Lan#2 down.

Other upstream connections are not affected.

This will be sorted in the next day or two, as the replacement has to be tested thoroughly first, so we don't end up with the same issue.

Thanks Martin. This kind of transparency is to be applauded. Don't think I've seen any other ISPs explain issues so openly, even relatively minor ones like this.

Also, good lobbying by limnam and tuxy :-)

limnam · 04-12-2019 1:49pm

Hammurabi wrote: »

Thanks Martin. This kind of transparency is to be applauded. Don't think I've seen any other ISPs explain issues so openly, even relatively minor ones like this.

Also, good lobbying by limnam and tuxy :-)

Some ISP's could do themselves some favors and learn from Martin

Thanks for leaving us in the lurch Ham! :pac:

Headshot · 06-12-2019 8:06pm

Oh interesting i've read some paper work from Open Eir that the 500MB profile is coming

What's happening is users that are on 300MB will be upgraded to 500MB

Gonzo · 06-12-2019 8:08pm

Headshot wrote: »

Oh interesting i've read some paper work from Open Eir that the 500MB profile is coming

What's happening is users that are on 300MB will be upgraded to 500MB

That was supposed to happen about 6 months ago but I think they abandoned the idea unfortunately. Uploads could do with a boost too, they are well behind Siro when it comes to upload on all plans.

Headshot · 06-12-2019 8:08pm

Gonzo wrote: »

That was supposed to happen about 6 months ago but I think they abandoned the idea unfortunately.

Nope not what i've read today

It's going ahead

Gonzo · 06-12-2019 8:10pm

Headshot wrote: »

Nope not what i've read today

It's going ahead

where did you read it?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 06-12-2019 8:11pm

Headshot wrote: »

Nope not what i've read today

It's going ahead

They'll want a product to compete with Virgin as they move into urban areas and the 1Gb is probably too expensive for many so upping 300 to 500 makes sense.

Headshot · 06-12-2019 8:12pm

Gonzo wrote: »

where did you read it?

The company I work for gets notifications of changes to open Eir network and today we got an email mentioning a change in scope is to launch a new 500Mb speed profile following feedback from Wholesale Customers that the preference would be a new profile rather than an upgrade and also 500Mb was the preferred speed.

Headshot · 06-12-2019 8:16pm

Oh by the way target Launch Date: April 2020

Gonzo · 06-12-2019 8:37pm

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

They'll want a product to compete with Virgin as they move into urban areas and the 1Gb is probably too expensive for many so upping 300 to 500 makes sense.

Once Eir upgrades to 500 in April, Virgin will probably upgrade to 600 or 700!
Siro can easily upgrade again too.

This 500 upgrade from 300 will have been in the works for a year by the time it launches!

tuxy · 06-12-2019 8:40pm

April could be the date they have in mind for launching some areas of urban FTTH so no hurry.

500Mbps and some TV package that shows sports would keep many happy.

Marlow · 06-12-2019 9:54pm

Headshot wrote: »

Oh interesting i've read some paper work from Open Eir that the 500MB profile is coming

What's happening is users that are on 300MB will be upgraded to 500MB

Headshot wrote: »

Nope not what i've read today

It's going ahead

Well ... you didn't read that one right.

What it was before, was that OpenEIR was toying with the idea to simply upgrade the 300 Mbit/s profile to 600 Mbit/s, reusing the 300 Mbit/s profile. That was shot down by the wholesale partners ... simply because it makes a complete mess of their ordering and support systems.

Hence a new profile is being introduced and as both Virgin and SIRO are at 500 Mbit/s now, that's the profile they're going with.

/M

Gonzo · 06-12-2019 10:23pm

Marlow wrote: »

Well ... you didn't read that one right.

What it was before, was that OpenEIR was toying with the idea to simply upgrade the 300 Mbit/s profile to 600 Mbit/s, reusing the 300 Mbit/s profile. That was shot down by the wholesale partners ... simply because it makes a complete mess of their ordering and support systems.

Hence a new profile is being introduced and as both Virgin and SIRO are at 500 Mbit/s now, that's the profile they're going with.

/M

Will this new profile be a new plan or will the 300 customers automatically get upgraded? This is for 500, not 600?

Headshot · 06-12-2019 10:27pm

Gonzo wrote: »

Will this new profile be a new plan or will the 300 customers automatically get upgraded? This is for 500, not 600?

Changing the PCRL title from “FTTH Profile Update - 300Mb to 600Mb” to “A new FTTH 500Mb Profile”.

Change in scope is to launch a new 500Mb speed profile following feedback from Wholesale Customers that the preference would be a new profile rather than an upgrade and also 500Mb was the preferred speed.

All other functional characteristics of the new 500Mb profile will be the same as the existing 300Mb Profile.

The new 500Mb profile will be available on all existing Products, VUA, BS+, SA, POTS, each of which will have a unique identifier.

Operators will be offered a free bulk migration service to upgrade existing 300Mb services to 500Mb.

The existing 300Mb profile will remain in place.

Target Launch Date: April 2020

EletricMan · 06-12-2019 10:29pm

New build house, got a phone line install today. Anyone know how long I need to wait to for the line to be active to test it for broadband. Fibre running past house but I'm doing this to try and my eircode on the system to hopefully..

Marlow · 06-12-2019 10:45pm

Gonzo wrote: »

Will this new profile be a new plan or will the 300 customers automatically get upgraded? This is for 500, not 600?

As in the outline Headshot posted: it is a new profile.

It will be up to each individual provider, how to implement it and it will really depend on OpenEirs pricing.

But I would assume the 300 Mbit/s profile will be retired eventually.

/M

NSAman · 07-12-2019 12:16am

EletricMan wrote: »

New build house, got a phone line install today. Anyone know how long I need to wait to for the line to be active to test it for broadband. Fibre running past house but I'm doing this to try and my eircode on the system to hopefully..

How long is a piece of string?

I was told back in August it would take 2 days. Ordered it. KN networks came couldn't do it. More work had to be done. New Date given for said work 23 Nov. The date come and nothing. Phoned again... date moved to February 2020.

Upon asking they said ducting work needed to be done. Yet, when I look on OpenAir the ducting work is completed.

Have no idea what is going on yet getting really frustrated with the whole process.

Richieq · 09-12-2019 10:38pm

So I had a crew out last week to trim trees to resolve my ducting issue. They literally cut a hole through the branches in the tree to give a direct line of sight. Doesn’t look like there would be line of sight for long. Do you think the engineer will be happy with this?

Airwire: MartinL · 10-12-2019 4:12pm

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

jgbyr · 10-12-2019 4:42pm

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

Wonder is there an issue as we've been "Available Soon" for over a year & today it's stating "Not Available".

Airwire: MartinL · 10-12-2019 5:59pm

jgbyr wrote: »

Wonder is there an issue as we've been "Available Soon" for over a year & today it's stating "Not Available".

That can happen, when they re-index premises as part of some build work. If you PM me your eircode, I can have a look, what they changed.

jgbyr · 10-12-2019 6:05pm

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

That can happen, when they re-index premises as part of some build work. If you PM me your eircode, I can have a look, what they changed.

Thanks, PM sent

Airwire: MartinL · 10-12-2019 6:08pm

jgbyr wrote: »

Thanks, PM sent

That whole DP that your premises was indexed on is not listed anymore. Could be a problem with their database sync.

My suggestion is to check it again next week.

jgbyr · 10-12-2019 6:10pm

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

That whole DP that your premises was indexed on is not listed anymore. Could be a problem with their database sync.

My suggestion is to check it again next week.

Thanks for the response. Will do.

Badger2009 · 10-12-2019 8:09pm

Does anybody have experience/know if contention is ever an issue with openeir ftth?

Marlow · 10-12-2019 8:12pm

Badger2009 wrote: »

Does anybody have experience/know if contention is ever an issue with openeir ftth?

If you are on a Gbit/s connection ... yes. That is already the case on a few exchanges.

150 and 300 Mbit/s unlikely.

/M

Badger2009 · 10-12-2019 8:15pm

Marlow wrote: »

If you are on a Gbit/s connection ... yes. That is already the case on a few exchanges.

150 and 300 Mbit/s unlikely.

/M

I'm going with 300mbps but trying to decide on the ISP.

Was slightly concerned with potential contention with eir as I understand their ratio is 48:1.

I will likely go with a regional provider anyway.

Marlow · 10-12-2019 9:10pm

Badger2009 wrote: »

I'm going with 300mbps but trying to decide on the ISP.

Was slightly concerned with potential contention with eir as I understand their ratio is 48:1.

I will likely go with a regional provider anyway.

48:1 was (or is) their residential ADSL. I have no idea what contention they specify these days. A lot of providers don't even give you that figure anymore, which is a shame. It was a good measure for comparing.

/M

limktime · 10-12-2019 10:23pm

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

That whole DP that your premises was indexed on is not listed anymore. Could be a problem with their database sync.

My suggestion is to check it again next week.

The same happened with our house. It was showing as Available soon for the past 2 weeks but is showing as Not available now. Is it anything to be concerned about?

PixelTrawler · 12-12-2019 2:22pm

Not rural but KN are running fibre in our estate for openeir this week. I'm in the west end of Clonsilla. They were out a few weeks ago for a survey and have pushed fibre through all the manholes the last 2 days.

Lads at the van I chatted to just said its for faster broadband... presume this is the eir urban rollout getting going?

pumpkinpie86 · 13-12-2019 10:06am

Not sure if anyone would be able to help/advise... We're moving into an old family cottage that's been left empty for about 10 years. Finally got an eircode last month, but when I check the availability on the airwire website, we can only get VDSL. Check the eircodes of the properties either side of us and FTTH is available to both. On the open eir map we're shown as a blue house in a green shaded area, but won't recognise our eircode. The houses either side are showing as green. Any way we can get FTTH? I've emailed a few places but figured I'd ask the experts on here too!

Airwire: MartinL · 13-12-2019 12:25pm

Hi,

generally it should be possible to get your premise added to the OpenEIR 300k, especially because it most likely just is an eircode, that got reactivated opposed to a new one.

It takes a bit of work for us to get a premise added and may take a month or two, worst case scenario, to get it sorted. But it can be done.

babi-hrse · 13-12-2019 7:29pm

https://amp.independent.ie/business/technology/fibre-broadband-doubles-in-ireland-as-landline-phones-die-regulator-figures-suggest-38778808.html#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s
Uptake is even less as with sky pstn is mandatory with VDSL i suspect it was to do with the old boxes being able to rent box office events with the red button through the phone line.

Eir rural FTTH thread III

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