Suing VW over emissions scandal... Mod warning post 313

grogi · 26-01-2017 9:33pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I made this point already but what is the difference between me buying a car off VW/Audi in Ireland and someone in the US buying the same car?

The US owner has already got a 100 doller reward card to start with and then given option to hand back car etc etc

I get a letter from Audi without an apology telling me to bring the car to them so they can fix it.....

The rrgulator

dubrov · 26-01-2017 9:44pm

Shefwedfan wrote:

I made this point already but what is the difference between me buying a car off VW/Audi in Ireland and someone in the US buying the same car?

VW is a German company. There is no doubt a deal was done behind closed doors to prop them up.

It is really unbelievable that a company could cheat emissions tests that have an effect on public health and not receive huge fines

CalamariFritti · 27-01-2017 2:03pm

Just reading on Spiegel.de that German dpp will go after former VW CEO Martin Winterkorn over involvement into deceit/ fraud ("Betrug").

Apparently enough material has been gathered on him knowing and facilation if not worse to open a case against him.

Truckermal · 01-04-2018 3:27pm

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/979983308049276928?s=19

Interesting read I didn't realise this really happened!

bladespin · 01-04-2018 6:31pm

Shefwedfan wrote:

I made this point already but what is the difference between me buying a car off VW/Audi in Ireland and someone in the US buying the same car?

Difference is one was bought in the US which the US legal system covers, the other was bought here which our legal system covers, that's really it.

dubrov · 01-04-2018 6:43pm

bladespin wrote: »

Difference is one was bought in the US which the US legal system covers, the other was bought here which our legal system covers, that's really it.

More accurately, the difference is that VW is a European company and was never going to be penalised by Europe in the same way an American company would have been. All the rest is smoke and mirrors

Sam Russell · 01-04-2018 9:43pm

dubrov wrote: »

More accurately, the difference is that VW is a European company and was never going to be penalised by Europe in the same way an American company would have been. All the rest is smoke and mirrors

It was the smoke that was the problem.

My Golf was 'upgraded' and destroyed so I sold it and do not regret it. Those cars are toxic.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 02-04-2018 12:14am

they are evil . fc*king scum plain and simple , never again a vag car

dr.fuzzenstein · 03-04-2018 1:16pm

DaDumTish wrote: »

they are evil . fc*king scum plain and simple , never again a vag car

You'll just have to buy it from some other evil fc*king sum manufacturer.

bladespin · 03-04-2018 1:20pm

dubrov wrote: »

More accurately, the difference is that VW is a European company and was never going to be penalised by Europe in the same way an American company would have been. All the rest is smoke and mirrors

TBH Europe/EU works differently to the US system regarding penalties etc, in the US the the penalties go to the cunsumer/damaged party, here the penalties (if any) go to the EU.

nextcarC5 · 03-04-2018 4:51pm

OSI wrote: »

You can always buy a Ford. No no, wait, they've been caught numerous times hiding defects in their cars that have directly killed hundreds of people.

Maybe a Toyota? Nope, wait again. They tried to cover up the whole "unintentional acceleration" job. That killed a few.

A Mazda? Merc? Honda? BMW? Nope, they've all been shown to emit more emissions than they advertised to.

Hmmm....

Let's start cycling bikes!!!

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-04-2018 9:09am

OSI wrote: »

You can always buy a Ford. No no, wait, they've been caught numerous times hiding defects in their cars that have directly killed hundreds of people.

Maybe a Toyota? Nope, wait again. They tried to cover up the whole "unintentional acceleration" job. That killed a few.

A Mazda? Merc? Honda? BMW? Nope, they've all been shown to emit more emissions than they advertised to.

Hmmm....

I am very sceptical of this.
"Suddenly the brake and accelerator switched function and the harder I stamped on the brakes, the faster the car got!"
For some strange reason it only seems to happen to American drivers in their 90's that the brake pedal spontaniously reconfigures itself and connects itself to the gas pedal. A very, very odd occurance alright.
And even more astonishing, scientist have never been able to replicate this bizarre behaviour in the lab. Quick, call Mulder and Scully!

Guy:Incognito · 04-04-2018 9:20am

nextcarC5 wrote: »

Let's start cycling bikes!!!

**** you. Get out.

gctest50 · 04-04-2018 8:51pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I am very sceptical of this.
"Suddenly the brake and accelerator switched function and the harder I stamped on the brakes, the faster the car got!"
For some strange reason it only seems to happen to American drivers in their 90's that the brake pedal spontaniously reconfigures itself and connects itself to the gas pedal. A very, very odd occurance alright.
And even more astonishing, scientist have never been able to replicate this bizarre behaviour in the lab. Quick, call Mulder and Scully!

Call Barr instead :

Toyota’s watchdog supervisor “is incapable of ever detecting the death of a major task. That's its whole job. It doesn't do it. It's not designed to do it.”

Instead, Toyota designed it to monitor CPU overload, and, Barr testified: “it doesn't even do that right. CPU overload is when there's too much work in a burst, a period of time to do all the tasks. If that happens for too long, the car can become dangerous because tasks not getting to use the CPU is like temporarily tasks dying.”

Barr also testified that Toyota’s software threw away error codes from the operating system, ignoring codes identifying a problem with a task

gctest50 · 04-04-2018 8:55pm

Toyota also lied to NASA about yokes having bit-flip protection

For one, Barr testified, the NASA engineers were time limited, and did not have access to all of the source code.
They relied on Toyota’s representations – and in some cases, Toyota misled NASA.
For example, NASA was under the false belief that Toyota had designed in hardware bit flip protections called Error Detection and Correction Codes, (EDAC).
The 2005 Camry for example did not have EDAC, Barr testified, but in an email Toyota told NASA that it did

jimmycrackcorm · 04-04-2018 10:10pm

DaDumTish wrote:

they are evil . fc*king scum plain and simple , never again a vag car

The netflix dirty money episode on VW really opened my eyes.

Henry Ford III · 02-12-2019 12:42pm

Civil class action is being heard in the UK. This saga isn't over by a long chalk yet......

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-dieselgate-damages-civil-case-begin-today

p.s. How VW could claim to have done nothing wrong despite being fined massively in the USA is beyond me.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 02-12-2019 9:46pm

evil scum as i said , gassing monkeys for f*cks sake , the apple etc...

as for the smart comments , i dont see any other makers actually gassing sentient beings to test their cars ?
or maybe you are all ok with that ...

Wibbs · 03-12-2019 10:28am

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The netflix dirty money episode on VW really opened my eyes.

It did that J, but one part of that and this shabby enterprise that is often overlooked and was pointed out in that documentary is that researchers found other the German manufacturers were up to the same cheats with their "clean" diesels. BMW, Mercedes also emitted up to 400% extra crap in the real world when compared to the lab and government tests.

Old diesel · 03-12-2019 2:50pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Civil class action is being heard in the UK. This saga isn't over by a long chalk yet......

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-dieselgate-damages-civil-case-begin-today

p.s. How VW could claim to have done nothing wrong despite being fined massively in the USA is beyond me.

Different rules in Europe is the arguement for why in Europe they did nothing wrong.

Legally wrong I hasten to add.

Morally and ethically wrong is another matter entirely.

0lddog · 26-05-2020 9:43pm

Old diesel wrote: »

Different rules in Europe is the arguement for why in Europe they did nothing wrong.......

"May 26 (UPI) -- Germany's highest civil court has ruled that Volkswagen must buy back vehicles that were fitted with illegal emissions software in a landmark decision in the "Dieselgate" scandal........."

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/05/26/Volkswagen-loses-landmark-civil-case-in-emissions-scandal/3731590494211/?mpst=2

route66 · 27-05-2020 2:56pm

0lddog wrote: »

"May 26 (UPI) -- Germany's highest civil court has ruled that Volkswagen must buy back vehicles that were fitted with illegal emissions software in a landmark decision in the "Dieselgate" scandal........."

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/05/26/Volkswagen-loses-landmark-civil-case-in-emissions-scandal/3731590494211/?mpst=2

So does this now open the floodgates for cases to be raised against VW in the rest of Europe?

Toyotafanboi · 27-05-2020 5:10pm

Only a matter of time until VW buy my Golf off me so

cant wait!

Jinglejangle69 · 14-09-2021 10:20pm

Any update from anyone affected?

Suing VW over emissions scandal... Mod warning post 313

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