Do you think movies these days are mostly garbage

murpho999 wrote: »

Music is not rubbish nowadays (sorry but I refuse to use "garbage".

There's lots of good music out there and all very accessible via music services. You have to go look for it and ignore the bland pop that's played on the radio nowadays. They seem to just play from one genre nowadays which is different to before.

Radio is not worse nowadays. Radio has spent the vast majority of its existence playing bland popular crap ask anyone who was into any form of rock in the 60/70/80s. There was no Pink Floyd, Clash or Bowie on the radio back then with the exception of the odd pirate channel. It is way better now because you have a ton of radio stations so you pick the one that caters to your music tastes

There are still good movies out there, it's just that there are more and more average ones making the godo ones harder to find.

Try going for the more independent cinema titles and stay away from the blockbusters as they tend to be too audience driven.

dotsman wrote: »

But they generally are, or were. The purpose of the best foreign film category was to bundle all the non-US movies into one category and have all other categories available for Hollywood-produced movies. The fact that the Oscars are decided by Hollywood insiders and are big business for the major studios pretty much drives this.

However, in recent years, the Oscars are all about being woke, so they have changed the name of "foreign film" (which is offensive) to "international film" (which is fine) and started including foreign films in the other categories to ensure there are non-white and non-male dominated options. Hence, Parasite and Roma the year before etc.

Or maybe because a lot of movies are multinational funded so the idea of an American film is blurred now. Also Parasite and Roma are widely regarded as brilliant so it's nothing to do with "woke" and it's only snowflakes like you gets upset about these things

dotsman wrote: »

But they generally are, or were. The purpose of the best foreign film category was to bundle all the non-US movies into one category and have all other categories available for Hollywood-produced movies. The fact that the Oscars are decided by Hollywood insiders and are big business for the major studios pretty much drives this.

However, in recent years, the Oscars are all about being woke, so they have changed the name of "foreign film" (which is offensive) to "international film" (which is fine) and started including foreign films in the other categories to ensure there are non-white and non-male dominated options. Hence, Parasite and Roma the year before etc.

I'm really fed up with people saying that everything either is or is driven by being "woke"

The fact that the Oscars are progressing and now include foreign films in other categories is not woke but correct and acknowledging that films are not just made in Hollywook.
"Parasite" was a very worthy winner this year and it's great that it was not restricted to one category.

murpho999 wrote: »

I would disagree.

If you compare the charts of the 70/80/90s you'd find a varied type of music from guitar, electronic.pop, metal etc all there.

The charts were very much radio driven and they played a variety.
Bowie & Pink Floyd were definitely played.

Today's charts are mostly bland pop and/or rap and that's all you're hearing on the radio now and I have stopped listening to it nowadays and find my own sources for good music which is definitely out there.

I just picked a random year 1971 and checked the charts and you have Carole King, Janis Joplin and Joan Baez up there in the top 20 who are all artists who appeal to about 3 generations of my family. Maybe I'm wrong on this but that kind broad appeal easy listening music is gone.

And certainly as a rock fan for me there isn't much out there now but I hate when people confuse that with current music being s*** just cause it doesn't suit them.

Same goes for movies Im not really into the super hero stuff despite being a sci-fi fan but it doesn't mean they are crap and the likes of Disney still seem to be throwing out the odd classic

dotsman wrote: »

How the fcuk am I a snowflake? Do you even know what a snowflake is? And what do I have to do with anything? Wow, you really don't understand the concept of not attacking the poster. Perhaps you should fcuk off back to twitter with that kind of attitude rather than derailing this thread with your narrowminded views and personal attacks.

And, yes, it is everything about being woke. Do you not think that there were lots of foreign films before that weren't good? Is that not the whole point of why we are talking about the oscars? The academy has updated it's rules and guidelines in recent years to push for more people of colour, foreign movies and women. That's not a conspiracy theory or a feeling. It is something that they they are proud of and have made much publicity about.


But that is pretty much the very definition of woke;)

Its the people who bring that stupid American term "woke" into every thread on boards be it about movies or cars or the colour of grass that need to f**k off back to Twitter. Stupid nonsense trying to derail every thread with that right wing crap

I although I like many others thrilled at the introduction of CGI/greenscreens and suchlike, I can now clearly see that it ruined major film production from the 90s onward.

Yeah it beats cheesy miniature model sequences etc. but by being available they simply reach for it too much and over-rely on it.

It pulled away all emphasis from character development, story arc, dialogue - and indeed generally speaking any originality. I'd uninvent it if were in my power.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah but you’re an adult now and you’re probably a lot more critical of things than you were back when the original ghostbusters was released -you ought to be.

Ghostbuster was a Child/teenager movie. The reboot was also a child’s movie with a nod to the the 40 year old fans of the original who are bringing their children to see it.

No, I can still rewatch and enjoy the originals, just like the three Indy movies that aren't shyte.

Hyperbollix wrote: »

Star Trek is a good microcosm of this whole subject.

Compare Roddenberry Trek from the 60's to the early 2000's, verse the Abrams style Trek of the modern day. Look at the Picard series!

Interesting storylines that were actually about something removed and replaced by "PEW PEW PEEEEEEW, BIG SPACESHIPS EXPLODE --- CRASH BANG, LOUD NOISES --- SJW WOKEISM X100"

Again with the "woke" . If you knew anything about Roddenberry Trek you would know he has been doing what you call "woke" since the 60s or did you not notice the Asian, the Russian and the black woman. Or how about the blind black pilot none of those were by accident. And his successors continued it with a black and woman captain

Don't agree at all. I've seen no end of top notch, fantastic films the past few years.

People tend to strangely conflate "what gets released in the cinema" with the general state of the film industry.

If anything, thanks to streaming services and digital media, we can access more and more "good" films than ever before.

I usually watch one film a week, generally considering I go by a mix of RT scores and relevant user reviews, I'd say almost every movie I've watched this year has been excellent.

Films of the year so far for me are probably Possessor Uncut, Relic, The Painted Bird and Midsommar. But generally I've seen at least 30 I'd consider very good, and then probably 10 or so that are downright excellent.

Platform and Devil All the Time on Netflix are both very good too. I have a backlog of about 25 movies from this year still to watch.

Homelander wrote: »

Don't agree at all. I've seen no end of top notch, fantastic films the past few years.

People tend to strangely conflate "what gets released in the cinema" with the general state of the film industry.

If anything, thanks to streaming services and digital media, we can access more and more "good" films than ever before.

I usually watch one film a week, generally considering I go by a mix of RT scores and relevant user reviews, I'd say almost every movie I've watched this year has been excellent.

Films of the year so far for me are probably Possessor Uncut, Relic, The Painted Bird and Midsommar. But generally I've seen at least 30 I'd consider very good, and then probably 10 or so that are downright excellent.

Platform and Devil All the Time on Netflix are both very good too. I have a backlog of about 25 movies from this year still to watch.

Is Midsommar better than some silly holiday slasher?

If it's more on the atmospheric side of horror I might give it a go

One thing the good old days were definitely better at is Simpons quotes

Grandpa: I used to be with it, but then they changed what *it* was. Now what I'm with isn't *it*, and what's *it* seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you.

whisky_galore wrote: »

No, I can still rewatch and enjoy the originals, just like the three Indy movies that aren't shyte.

Sure. It was aimed at you. I have a couple of movies from my childhood that i still enjoy too. If they came out for the first time in the cinema today i wouldn't be bothered with them because they're children's movies. I enjoy them because i have positive associations with them from my childhood. If you really, really, really enjoyed Ghostbusters if you saw it for the first time today as a 40 year old (for example), then you'd be in a very small minority because it was mostly a children's movie with a couple of adult themes thrown in to entertain the adults.

whisky_galore wrote: »

And which "adult" movies do you enjoy?

Raiders of the lost arse

breezy1985 wrote: »

Again with the "woke" . If you knew anything about Roddenberry Trek you would know he has been doing what you call "woke" since the 60s or did you not notice the Asian, the Russian and the black woman. Or how about the blind black pilot none of those were by accident. And his successors continued it with a black and woman captain

An easy comparison to make but completely misses the point.
Roddenberry would be spinning in his photon torpedo if he could see what's become of Star Trek. When he was casting those actors in those roles back in the day he was going against the culture of the industry at the time. It was a hopeful aspiration for the future when ethnicity or gender wouldn't be noticed.

This woke bollocks passing for ST now is the exact opposite. It's the definition of lazy and establishment and reeks of show makers all vying to out SJW each other at every turn.

And that aside, if it was good sci-fi that made sense and had something of value to say, (as old Trek used to do) it would have one redeeming quality, but it doesn't even have that. It's sub standard, stupid, and very obviously is absolutely nothing more than a cash grab from a loyal audience.

Hyperbollix wrote: »

And easy comparison to make but completely misses the point.
Roddenberry would be spinning in his photon torpedo if he could see what's become of Star Trek. When he was casting those actors in those roles back in the day he was going against the culture of the industry at the time. It was a hopeful aspiration for the future when ethnicity or gender wouldn't be noticed.

This woke bollocks passing for ST now is the exact opposite. It's the definition of lazy and establishment and reeks of show makers all vying to out SJW each other at every turn.

And that aside, if it was good sci-fi that made sense and had something of value to say, (as old Trek used to do) it would have one redeeming quality, but it doesn't even have that. It's sub standard, stupid, and very obviously is absolutely nothing more than a cash grab from a loyal audience.

"Vying to out SJW each other" hyper bollix is right

breezy1985 wrote: »

"Vying to out SJW each other" hyper bollix is right

I'm not sure why that would be contentious. The people producing shows like Picard are hacks. But they are smart hacks who know the way the cultural wind is blowing and they are going to flog that social justice horse to death if they think there's a buck in it.

Also, it's not very woke of you to launch personal attacks on me. You wouldn't want to trigger me now or anything.

whisky_galore wrote: »

And which "adult" movies do you enjoy?

“That’s between me and my internet service provider” - Glenn from The Thick of It

The James Bond films have improved with the more recent releases. The ones from the old days have not stood the test of time.

This is from a different context, but it goes to show the nonsense that "everything was better in my day" is a recurring theme down the ages. This is from 1967, which some people probably look back to as a sort of Golden Age.

It is unfortunate but true that during the last 20 years or so there has been a steady decline in general standards of behaviour and what can
only be called " the attitude of the individual." History shows that this is one of the results of war and its aftermath, when all sorts of things are done for reasons of expediency or in the exigencies of the moment. Inevitably, this tends to engender an off -hand attitude to what is right, carried on into the day-to-day life of too many individuals. In the end, it becomes the done thing to " work a quick one if you can get away with it." This leads to a deterioration
of standards generally, as evidenced (to quote only one example) by the coarse vulgarity of much of what is shown on TV, and the witless ignorance of many people whose opinions are publicised merely because they happen to be notorious.