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N5 - Westport to Turlough [open to traffic]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    This is the relevant article, no mention of N5. Normally these sod turnings are well advertised in advance so probably no dice


    Ya. Probably a bit previous for a sod turning. Maybe an announcement of contracts or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Roughan o Donovan are recruiting a project supervisor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    From what I heard it's a Q1 2020 start before the digging begins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    Wills/ BAM have won this subject to the alcatel period


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    irishgeo wrote: »
    From what I heard it's a Q1 2020 start before the digging begins.

    Is it?

    The display boards are showing roadworks starting on the 26th of September on the Westport/Castlebar road. Is this related?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    irishgeo wrote: »
    From what I heard it's a Q1 2020 start before the digging begins.

    Is it?

    The display boards are showing roadworks starting on the 26th of September on the Westport/Castlebar road. Is this related?
    You don't go digging in the middle of winter. I doubt it. We haven't even turned the official sod.


  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    No mention of N5 on Leo's visit to castlebar yesterday unfortunately.

    Where are these display boards that say works starting on 26th September? I'd like to think it's related to the project, given what was said above about Wills/BAM winning the tender.

    Is it?

    The display boards are showing roadworks starting on the 26th of September on the Westport/Castlebar road. Is this related?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    No mention of N5 on Leo's visit to castlebar yesterday unfortunately.

    Where are these display boards that say works starting on 26th September? I'd like to think it's related to the project, given what was said above about Wills/BAM winning the tender.

    I doubt it. We haven't seen a compound setup yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭discodaveirl


    irishgeo wrote: »
    I doubt it. We haven't seen a compound setup yet.

    Wills HQ about 7/10 miles from the turlough end of the road, cant see there being a massive compound, also hadnt they a compound in Doogary when fencing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Wills HQ about 7/10 miles from the turlough end of the road, cant see there being a massive compound, also hadnt they a compound in Doogary when fencing?

    Westport is a bit far away from turlough. I doubt they will driving the gear home every evening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    Is it?

    The display boards are showing roadworks starting on the 26th of September on the Westport/Castlebar road. Is this related?

    They are for a resurfacing job on the Westport side of Castlebar on the N5.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Is there a problem with this project? no update and hearing rumours


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Is there a problem with this project? no update and hearing rumours

    Should be awarded very shortly now budget is done

    Specifically named (along with the N22) in today’s Budget for finding next year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    marno21 wrote: »
    Should be awarded very shortly now budget is done

    Specifically named (along with the N22) in today’s Budget for finding next year
    It's already been awarded from what I heard and starting march/April.


  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭highwaymaniac


    marno21 wrote: »
    Sorry, I’ll correct what I said. It has been awarded but the Cabinet approval followed by ceremonial awarding and sod turning and willy waving has to happen yet

    It definitely hasn't been awarded, it can't be without govt and TII approval.


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    marno21 wrote: »
    Should be awarded very shortly now budget is done

    Specifically named (along with the N22) in today’s Budget for finding next year

    Is this the Macroom bypass? If it is, then this RTE piece today is saying government approval for the tender has NOT been granted (yet). So a similar note of caution about the N5 is probably warranted.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/1009/1082187-macroom-bypass/


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This is my view of what's happening at the minute:

    BAM/Wills have won the procurement process with submission to Government by DTTAS for Cabinet approval whenever the alcatel period is complete
    Cabinet to approve award of contract
    Sod turning ceremony + contractors move in

    Notes:
    1. This project (along with the N22) are specifically mentioned in the Budget document as priorities for land transport investment in 2020. The project is not in question, no matter what Danny Healy Rae's opinion is. The Kilcummin Sewage project has nothing to do with the N22 scheme.
    2. Shane Ross has form at this stage for not being particularly expeditious in bringing projects to Cabinet for approval.
    3. Both the N5 and N22 have Senior cabinet members championing these projects (Michael Ring + Michael Creed) who will not let them be delayed too much.
    4. The Budget has likely soaked up most of the political energy at the minute.
    5. There is a third project (M21 for Cabinet approval to proceed to ABP + publish EIS/motorway order) which is also to be brought for Cabinet approval this month.


  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭highwaymaniac


    Approval of both schemes will likely be announced at the same time by govt possibly next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Approval of both schemes will likely be announced at the same time by govt possibly next week.

    Probably waiting for Brexit to be sorted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭prunudo


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Probably waiting for Brexit to be sorted.

    If we wait for Brexit to be sorted there won't be a new infrastructure project started in the country for the next ten years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Probably waiting for Brexit to be sorted.

    I think we as a nation have become fiscally paranoid, constantly looking for the next big crash to avoid. If we carry on we will achieve nothing as spending on infrastructure does have risks but also massive dividends when seen through. I'm not saying we abandon the reins on the purse strings but we really ought to look more at spending to accumulate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    road_high wrote: »
    irishgeo wrote: »
    Probably waiting for Brexit to be sorted.

    I think we as a nation have become fiscally paranoid, constantly looking for the next big crash to avoid. If we carry on we will achieve nothing as spending on infrastructure does have risks but also massive dividends when seen through. I'm not saying we abandon the reins on the purse strings but we really ought to look more at spending to accumulate.

    I agree. Especially when interest rates are pretty low, historically.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Cabinet has signed off.

    https://twitter.com/radiomidwest/status/1184072748601135104

    Hopefully see some diggers soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    MINISTER Michael Ring has confirmed this lunchtime that the Cabinet has given its approval for the construction of the N5 Westport to Turlough Road.

    The road development, which will cost €241 million, involves the construction of 20.3km of dual carriageway from Westport to Turlough and a 2.5km single carriageway link to the N59 Westport to Mulranny national secondary road.

    Commented Minister Ring: “I’m delighted that the Cabinet has given the green light to this vital piece of infrastructure.

    “This is the single largest government investment in the history of Mayo and it will have a transformative effect on our county. Work is due to begin later this year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭xabi


    The Michael Ring Road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭medoc


    November election! Start signing contracts for hospital extensions, schools, relief roads etc all over the country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    xabi wrote: »
    The Michael Ring Road.

    The Westport Road.You would swear there was no need for this dual carriageway from a Castlebar viewpoint or for general traffic flow improvement.

    https://twitter.com/MichaelRingFG/status/1184084927601610752?s=09


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Panrich


    MINISTER Michael Ring has confirmed this lunchtime that the Cabinet has given its approval for the construction of the N5 Westport to Turlough Road.

    The road development, which will cost €241 million, involves the construction of 20.3km of dual carriageway from Westport to Turlough and a 2.5km single carriageway link to the N59 Westport to Mulranny national secondary road.

    Commented Minister Ring: “I’m delighted that the Cabinet has given the green light to this vital piece of infrastructure.

    “This is the single largest government investment in the history of Mayo and it will have a transformative effect on our county. Work is due to begin later this year.

    I wonder if they’ll have enough money left over to put cul de sac symbols on all signage for the N26? The North of Mayo is being left to wither and die.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Panrich wrote: »
    I wonder if they’ll have enough money left over to put cul de sac symbols on all signage for the N26? The North of Mayo is being left to wither and die.

    Construction of a new bridge on the N26 at Cloongullane is to commence early next year


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Piece on Pat Kenny about the road now. The gist of which is him pouring cold water on spending €241m to save 5 minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Panrich wrote: »
    I wonder if they’ll have enough money left over to put cul de sac symbols on all signage for the N26? The North of Mayo is being left to wither and die.

    If Michelle didn't spend so much time on the phone to her friend. Maybe she might have got something for north mayo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭prunudo


    prunudo wrote: »
    Piece on Pat Kenny about the road now. The gist of which is him pouring cold water on spending €241m to save 5 minutes.


    Ciaran Cuffe then rang in to give his tuppence worth, god help anyone hoping the M20 (and any other contentious projects) to go ahead smoothly if the greens get anywhere near power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    prunudo wrote: »
    Piece on Pat Kenny about the road now. The gist of which is him pouring cold water on spending €241m to save 5 minutes.

    A dub questions money allocated to the West of Ireland...that's a new one...


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The usual suspects out in force this morning. Of course it would make perfect sense for Allergan to move their products by bicycle.

    The same suspects were complicit in creating a storm in a teacup about the Metrolink to placate a few suburban car loving residents

    You can't have it both ways.


  • Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    marno21 wrote: »
    The usual suspects out in force this morning. Of course it would make perfect sense for Allergan to move their products by bicycle.

    The same suspects were complicit in creating a storm in a teacup about the Metrolink to placate a few suburban car loving residents

    You can't have it both ways.

    They talk about spreading jobs around the country and relieving congestion in Dublin...well you gotta put in the infrastructure to do that.

    Also I know for a fact the American multinationals in Mayo have complained and put pressure on regarding the Mayo roads down the years....the county would collapse overnight if these well paying companies left.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭Pineapple1


    UsBus wrote:
    A dub questions money allocated to the West of Ireland...that's a new one...


    Was just about to post regarding the piece I heard on Newstalk this morning. Sorry but whoever this yoke was (he didnt sound like he was from Mayo anyways) came across as extremely sour over the amount of money we are getting to do up one of the busiest roads in our county. Has he forgotten about the Children's hospital and the eye watering amount that will come to? But its ok because its in Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    yew_tree wrote: »
    They talk about spreading jobs around the country and relieving congestion in Dublin...well you gotta put in the infrastructure to do that.

    Also I know for a fact the American multinationals in Mayo have complained and put pressure on regarding the Mayo roads down the years....the county would collapse overnight if these well paying companies left.

    Allergen have to add extra packing on their products because product was being damaged on bad roads.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Pineapple1 wrote: »
    Was just about to post regarding the piece I heard on Newstalk this morning. Sorry but whoever this yoke was (he didnt sound like he was from Mayo anyways) came across as extremely sour over the amount of money we are getting to do up one of the busiest roads in our county. Has he forgotten about the Children's hospital and the eye watering amount that will come to? But its ok because its in Dublin.
    More importantly, has he forgot his party's stonewalling of the 2 biggest sustainable transport projects (if built) in the history of the state?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭prunudo


    marno21 wrote: »
    More importantly, has he forgot his party's stonewalling of the 2 biggest sustainable transport projects (if built) in the history of the state?

    I'm conscious of derailing this with politics but their 2 most common spokespeople of Ryan and Cuffe believe in a utopia land where everyone and everything will and should be transported by bike and walking. They either choose to ignore the reality or have no understanding of how people, businesses and life in general operate outside of Dublin. I wouldn't even call it not understanding rural areas, its even the smaller urban areas outside the capital they don't get.
    If their opinion is representative of the rest of the green party the so called green wave will be very short lived.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Has Saoirse McHugh ever tried heading into Westport after work in the evening?Many of work colleagues spend a half an hour plus in tailbacks on the Sheeaune hill.Multiply that further at weekends with the influx of tourists etc...

    Has she any idea of the issues facing the multi nationals Allergan etc in terms of transportation?

    Has she any idea of how God awful the current road is with the scale of traffic flow?:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Great to hear that this is progressing. Has a completion date been mentioned yet? Any potential for phased opening of certain sections? (need to stop thinking about the Green Party and their idiotic opinions before I smash my head off the wall)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Great to hear that this is progressing. Has a completion date been mentioned yet? Any potential for phased opening of certain sections? (need to stop thinking about the Green Party and their idiotic opinions before I smash my head off the wall)

    the bit that might be phased opening is the n59 barley hill to get rid of the bends.


    Its going to be traffic nightmare for 2 years.

    Its going to affect the N5 east of castlebar, breaffy road, the n5 again in west of castlebar and then the N59 and the n5 at westport.

    If you think traffic is bad now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭fiload


    I'm not from Mayo and have no idea of the benifits of this project but I have the common sense not to pass my opinion on it.
    Transport Infrastructure Ireland amongst other departments have obviously put a lot of work and time into getting this project to this stage and prioritised it for a reason.
    It really annoys me that people who also have no idea about a project and also no expertise in that area, publicly critise something as if they actually know something about it.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    + this lark of moaning about a 4 lane high being ploughed through Mayo. The Charlestown bypass is ~15m wide and has 2 lanes, and at grade junctions, and nothing to stop high speed head on collisions.

    This scheme will be 16.5m wide, twice the lanes, no head on collisions. Seems a very good use of resources to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Great to see the N5 developed further. It’s a very important link to the west of Ireland with much of the existing route having a poor safety record. Look forward to this section and the section though Roscommon getting underway.
    Ciaran Cuffe this morning is exactly why I never vote Green. Condescending, deluded and Marie Antoinette like in their eco babble. A few extra co councillors and they think they’re on course to talk down to the rest of us


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Am kinda surprised this got the go ahead at this stage, have driven it plenty and it is a crap road alright but in traffic terms it pales in comparison to whats going on between Limerick and Killarney (i know Adare is due a modest bypass) or in Galway City with the insanity there. Granted those projects would be near double the cost. The M20 is another story altogether


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    Am kinda surprised this got the go ahead at this stage, have driven it plenty and it is a crap road alright but in traffic terms it pales in comparison to whats going on between Limerick and Killarney (i know Adare is due a modest bypass) or in Galway City with the insanity there. Granted those projects would be near double the cost. The M20 is another story altogether

    Michael Ring isn’t from any of the places you mention. It really is that simple. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    marno21 wrote: »
    Michael Ring isn’t from any of the places you mention. It really is that simple. :)

    The strong FG return in Mayo that was at odds with the rest of rural Ireland paying off handsomely in the end ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Neworder79


    marno21 wrote: »
    Michael Ring isn’t from any of the places you mention. It really is that simple. :)

    A few points.

    It's the N5, a primary route into the West region and should be looked at in context of the full route connecting to M4 to Dublin along with recent Charlestown, Ballaghaderreen - and upcoming Strokestown Roscommon section upgrades.

    Bypassing a major town Castlebar who's inner relief road becomes congested daily at peak times preventing flow through and around the town.

    Bypassing north Westport to join N59 schemes which are improving access to North/West Mayo tourism routes and previously very poor quality dangerous roads (given scale of project it's a shame the N59 southern bypass isn't included in the plan).

    Replacing 20+KM of poor quality single lane road mostly on the busiest Castlebar-Westport section with segregated type 2 carriageway.

    Castlebar to Turlough section is an on-line upgrade and scaled back from original plan to link all the way to Bohola/BallinaN26 interchange.

    I spoke to engineers at one of the hearings and they were very clear the data supported type 2 dual carriageway and on-line was not possible for much of the route.

    It has been in planning since the early 90s due to traffic levels and accident rates.

    It's been through several road designs and revisions responding to growth.

    So whatever about local political sway of having a minister, a lot of work has gone into this for 20 years before this announcement, and if it was just down to who's in office I'd imagine a former Taoiseach would have happily signed it off several years ago.


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