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Oisin Murphy

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  • #2
    New Era
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    New Era wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/RacingPost/status/1311633231175921664

    Mods please please please put this new thread into the horse racing thread thanks. Mea Culpa on my part. Apologies sincerely.


  • #3
    The Mig
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    New Era wrote: »
    Mods please please please put this new thread into the horse racing thread thanks. Mea Culpa on my part. Apologies sincerely.
    Will look after it now mate


  • #4
    jamule
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    possibly one of the most uncoke heads ever to test 'positive'


  • #5
    Francie Barrett
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    Something seems very wrong here. Lots of riders have tested positive for cocaine in the UK. A prolific rider like Murphy will surely have been tested multiple times in the UK. How can it be possible he has evaded detection for so long there, yet on a rare ride in France, he tests positive?

    The exact same thing happened to Robbie Downey. He is still protesting his innocence to this day.


  • #6
    kksaints
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    Something seems very wrong here. Lots of riders have tested positive for cocaine in the UK. A prolific rider like Murphy will surely have been tested multiple times in the UK. How can it be possible he has evaded detection for so long there, yet on a rare ride in France, he tests positive?

    The exact same thing happened to Robbie Downey. He is still protesting his innocence to this day.

    Better quality coke in France maybe?


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  • #7
    akelly02
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    not a hope he takes the devils dandruff .

    no chance


  • #8
    BagheeraBlue
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    passed a strand test just like robbie downey


  • #9
    IAMAMORON
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    It is possible they let their guard down when travelling?

    He could have thought " well if I can't ride for 14 days?"

    I am only speculating and I don't really know. What I would say is this, he is hardly the devil incarnate either. He seems like a nice bloke and these days cocaine is everywhere. It is highly likely he has had a few toots and has got unlucky. I have often taken the odd line without thinking about it, that doesn't make me a degenerate junckie with a drug problem either.

    His best options now are to get some PR advice and keep his head down. The more he tries to deny it or blame the french the more eyebrows will get raised. The fact of the matter is that lots and lots of people do it now, it is everywhere.

    He is not going to be the first or last jockey getting caught trying to have a laugh, all the best ones were into it.


  • #10
    supremenovice
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    So, 32 days after the original urine sample, he hands over a hair sample to a third party tester, which returns negative for cocaine. Am I missing something here? Is he trying to prove that because the hair sample, which is 32 days older than the urine sample, shows no trace of cocaine, therefore he didnt use cocaine in the days before the urine sample? Seems like a peculiar argument.


  • #11
    The White Wolf
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    akelly02 wrote: »
    not a hope he takes the devils dandruff .

    no chance

    Cokeheads come in all shapes and sizes. Didn't he get thrown off a course as well for gargle recently?


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  • #12
    Slattsy
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    Sad to see. There's so much good quality scotch out there you have to wonder why these lads turn to cocaine. How long will he banned for?

    Great timing for young Fallon..... Very good timing all things considered.


  • #13
    IAMAMORON
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    Slattsy wrote: »
    Great timing for young Fallon..... Very good timing all things considered.

    As long as the apple does not fall too far from the tree:pac::pac:.


  • #14
    Joe_ Public
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    supremenovice wrote: »
    So, 32 days after the original urine sample, he hands over a hair sample to a third party tester, which returns negative for cocaine. Am I missing something here? Is he trying to prove that because the hair sample, which is 32 days older than the urine sample, shows no trace of cocaine, therefore he didnt use cocaine in the days before the urine sample? Seems like a peculiar argument.

    Not sure of the science but it's supposed to show up in hair samples up to 3 months after ingestion so I guess they're arguing it should still have shown a positive if he had taken it. Not sure how much it's going to help them though.


  • #15
    Francie Barrett
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    I was reading that cocaine is detectable in the urine for up to 4 days. Murphy would have know that other riders have fallen foul of French drug testing before. He will also have known that he was riding in France well before the race. It makes no sense that he would take cocaine in the 4 days leading up to this race.


  • #16
    IAMAMORON
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    I was reading that cocaine is detectable in the urine for up to 4 days. Murphy would have know that other riders have fallen foul of French drug testing before. He will also have known that he was riding in France well before the race. It makes no sense that he would take cocaine in the 4 days leading up to this race.

    Taking banger makes no sense full stop. But it doesn't take much for a young fella like him to phuck up. Wrong place wrong time. Decent party, sexy birds etc etc. It happens and he made a mistake and it looks like he got nabbed.


  • #17
    Peintre Celebre
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    What's more believable

    Oisin Murphy took a bit of coke and got caught and now denying it to the hilt

    French racing have an agenda against British based jockeys and are stitching a few up?

    Some of the defending of Murphy is absolutely cringe worthy. "He isn't the kind of fella"

    "He wouldn't take it"

    "When would he have had the time?"


  • #18
    paddy no 11
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    Peintre Celebre wrote: »
    What's more believable

    Oisin Murphy took a bit of coke and got caught and now denying it to the hilt

    French racing have an agenda against British based jockeys and are stitching a few up?

    Some of the defending of Murphy is absolutely cringe worthy. "He isn't the kind of fella"

    "He wouldn't take it"

    "When would he have had the time?"

    No time for conspiracy but can't see him being guilty...dont know how he clears his name though

    B sample has not been tested yet


  • #19
    Peintre Celebre
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    Why can't you see him guilty?


  • #20
    paddy no 11
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    Peintre Celebre wrote: »
    Why can't you see him guilty?

    He's no Dettori/Fallon etc

    I just dont think it fits his personality........absolutely that may be naive on my part but its definitely not he's a paddy and its a conspiracy thing


  • #21
    Peintre Celebre
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    Coke is so prevelant in society I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised by anyone taking it.


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  • #22
    Joe_ Public
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    Leaving the question of whether Oisin Murphy is the type or not, quite a lot of jockeys test positive for cocaine. It seems quite prevalent in the sport and not because it is a "party drug". I'd guess it's a combination of things, easy availability and temptation among them.


  • #23
    Francie Barrett
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Leaving the question of whether Oisin Murphy is the type or not, quite a lot of jockeys test positive for cocaine. It seems quite prevalent in the sport and not because it is a "party drug". I'd guess it's a combination of things, easy availability and temptation among them.
    Not saying Murphy is innocent, but it all seems a little strange. Murphy has had 3000+ rides in his last three years in the UK. He is very prolific and it's likely he's been tested multiple times in the UK. How comes he only gets pulled up for cocaine on a very rare ride to France? Same thing happened with Downey


  • #24
    Joe_ Public
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    Not saying Murphy is innocent, but it all seems a little strange. Murphy has had 3000+ rides in his last three years in the UK. He is very prolific and it's likely he's been tested multiple times in the UK. How comes he only gets pulled up for cocaine on a very rare ride to France? Same thing happened with Downey

    Lot of jockeys have tested positive in France alright - Detroit, Fallon, Rob Havlin, Dean Gallagher Tec

    Thing about anti doping in general is that the thresholds for testing positive are generally erring on high side. Thus, for example, you see cyclists maintaining just below the blood level threshold even though they're still well above normal human levels.

    So it seems to be in racing, the uk and Ireland may have a quite generous threshold while france practices a stricter one. And jockeys may be getting caught out by that. It would certainly help if, like other sports, there was a standardised test across the board as riders are constantly on the go these times.


  • #25
    paddy no 11
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Lot of jockeys have tested positive in France alright - Detroit, Fallon, Rob Havlin, Dean Gallagher Tec

    Thing about anti doping in general is that the thresholds for testing positive are generally erring on high side. Thus, for example, you see cyclists maintaining just below the blood level threshold even though they're still well above normal human levels.

    So it seems to be in racing, the uk and Ireland may have a quite generous threshold while france practices a stricter one. And jockeys may be getting caught out by that. It would certainly help if, like other sports, there was a standardised test across the board as riders are constantly on the go these times.

    eh, they should standardise so they can do x amount of blow on a night out etc...dont think thats appropiate


  • #26
    ThewhiteJesus
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    i'd say he's as innocent as Michelle Smyth, if the second sample is positive he should take it on the chin it's not a big deal as iamamoran has said above it's everywhere in society.


  • #27
    IAMAMORON
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    I think the rule should be if that you are a retained rider and you are on serious 6 figure salaries and getting to ride the fastest horses on the planet that you should not act the bollocks and stay off the powders until it is holiday time? He is a phucking idiot all things considered. He has all Christmas and winter to party. Himself and his pals should be scooting off to the far ends of the planet and having a laugh in peace, it is about self discipline.

    Thing is, it will be the naughty step until next season and then he will literally be back in the saddle.


  • #28
    RivetingRoger
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    Well, if you hang around with Matt Chapman enough some of it is bound to transfer at some point.............


  • #29
    supremenovice
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Not sure of the science but it's supposed to show up in hair samples up to 3 months after ingestion so I guess they're arguing it should still have shown a positive if he had taken it. Not sure how much it's going to help them though.

    Yeah the hair sample is a smoke screen in my opinion. Nobody will care about that result, the authorities and the racing public in general will have confidence in the urine testing process so if A and B are positive for cocaine, he's gonna have to eat the punishment.


  • #30
    Joe_ Public
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    paddy no 11 wrote: »
    eh, they should standardise so they can do x amount of blow on a night out etc...dont think thats appropiate

    No, not suggesting that at all, obviously. I mean, i can tell you what the threshold for cocaine is here and in the uk. But im not sure what it is in france or what concentration they found in murphys sample. That would be useful to know, that's all.

    The other side is, if they are serious about tackling drugs, then maybe they need to look at penalties. Murphy b sample will be opened, he'll get the 6 months and will come back nice and refreshed for the classic season. Maybe he'll miss a few lucrative winter riding engagements but it's tap on wrist stuff really. People talk about hit to reputation but will be forgotten by this time next year.


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  • #31
    paddy no 11
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    No, not suggesting that at all, obviously. I mean, i can tell you what the threshold for cocaine is here and in the uk. But im not sure what it is in france or what concentration they found in murphys sample. That would be useful to know, that's all.

    The other side is, if they are serious about tackling drugs, then maybe they need to look at penalties. Murphy b sample will be opened, he'll get the 6 months and will come back nice and refreshed for the classic season. Maybe he'll miss a few lucrative winter riding engagements but it's tap on wrist stuff really. People talk about hit to reputation but will be forgotten by this time next year.

    Agree with all that it, the detail on his failure level versus spec in other juristictions would be interesting


  • #32
    Joe_ Public
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    paddy no 11 wrote: »
    Agree with all that it, the detail on his failure level versus spec in other juristictions would be interesting

    Yeah, im not letting murphy off the hook, i just don't see anything wrong with asking questions about it. The threshold in Ireland and the UK is 150 ng per ml. That is considered a small amount (in the us i think it's 300), so small that some years back the French tennis player Richard Gasquet was able to successfully argue that he'd got contaminated from kissing his girlfriend after testing positive for 150ng! I'd just be interested to know what the level is.

    You could have a situation where a jockey would test positive in one jurisdiction but not in another and yet faces a ban in them all. Just doesn't seem ideal, really.


  • #33
    paddy no 11
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    you'd think they'd all be signed up to a wada limit but apparently not


  • #34
    The White Wolf
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    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    Well, if you hang around with Matt Chapman enough some of it is bound to transfer at some point.............

    That's a very serious accusation Roger.


  • #35
    del roy
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    The White Wolf wrote: »
    That's a very serious accusation Roger.


    False tan :D


  • #36
    IAMAMORON
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    I actually doubt that Chapman is too much of a gannet for it in fairness, he seems too honest. Most cokeheads I know are chunts and as much of a pain in the arse ITV have got him to portray himself as... I don't get the impression he is a coke fiend, I know a few and frankly he does not fit the profile. He is a bit on the spectrum.. but I would let him date my family for starters, underneath it all he appears harmless enough.

    Jockeys are too busy with everything to be harmless, it is a rough game and far too much money involved, which makes his phuck up all the more stupid.


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  • #37
    Pogue eile
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I actually doubt that Chapman is too much of a gannet for it in fairness, he seems too honest. Most cokeheads I know are chunts and as much of a pain in the arse ITV have got him to portray himself as... I don't get the impression he is a coke fiend, I know a few and frankly he does not fit the profile. He is a bit on the spectrum.. but I would let him date my family for starters, underneath it all he appears harmless enough.

    Jockeys are too busy with everything to be harmless, it is a rough game and far too much money involved, which makes his phuck up all the more stupid.

    We are so blessed to have someone so wise and worldly posting regularly here!!


  • #38
    akelly02
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    Slattsy wrote: »
    Sad to see. There's so much good quality scotch out there you have to wonder why these lads turn to cocaine. How long will he banned for?

    Great timing for young Fallon..... Very good timing all things considered.



    Nothing compliments a good scotch like a good line of cocaine.


  • #39
    artanevilla
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    Scotch isn't an appetite suppressant.


  • #40
    IAMAMORON
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    I tell you chunts one thing, my death row meal will include a cask of Irish and a heap a banger, for starters. Nessun Dorma. And a box a major. Probably request a Dart board to flick at a poster a ruby Walsh dressed up in a pair of green Paddy Pooer Y fronts.

    I love Tony.


  • #41
    Francie Barrett
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    Ban reduced to 3 months - https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/oisin-murphy-escapes-with-three-month-ban-after-french-cocaine-positive-upheld/460873
    The dual champion jockey, who will not be appealing against the decision, would ordinarily have been looking at a six-month suspension, but the stewards were persuaded by a combination of evidence from a hair test and Murphy's own testimony that he was contaminated after having sex with a person he later discovered to be a user.


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  • #42
    IAMAMORON
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    At least he admitted to getting a decent ride ......
    sorry:o I will grab me coat eh Taxi for one please?


  • #43
    Francie Barrett
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    I think I was wrong on this. I am a fairly adventurous person, but I really struggle to see how cocaine use can be transferred through sex. I am too old to be familiar with all this, but I imagine for cocaine to be transferable, you'd need the lady in question to be rubbing a whole load of it into her gums before lobbing the gob on you.

    I could be wrong of course. I just do not know enough.


  • #44
    IAMAMORON
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    I think I was wrong on this. I am a fairly adventurous person, but I really struggle to see how cocaine use can be transferred through sex. I am too old to be familiar with all this, but I imagine for cocaine to be transferable, you'd need the lady in question to be rubbing a whole load of it into her gums before lobbing the gob on you.

    I could be wrong of course. I just do not know enough.

    I doubt poor Oisín was thinking too clearly himself at the time.

    He is a great pilot and like us all his mistakes are there to learn from.

    There would be nothing stopping me when I am riding a good one, everyone is the same. Life is there to be enjoyed, enough said in fairness.


  • #45
    Coneygree
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    I think I was wrong on this. I am a fairly adventurous person, but I really struggle to see how cocaine use can be transferred through sex. I am too old to be familiar with all this, but I imagine for cocaine to be transferable, you'd need the lady in question to be rubbing a whole load of it into her gums before lobbing the gob on you.

    I could be wrong of course. I just do not know enough.

    It's the common go to excuse with athletes. Richard Gasquet the tennis player was due to be banned a year until he said he caught it off a wan he was mauling the face off in a nightclub. Tennis has a real see no evil attitude towards drugs though. If Serena or Federer or Nadal popped for steroids they could say they tripped and fell on a needle down an alleyway and they'd get away with it.


  • #46
    Pogue eile
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    Coneygree wrote: »
    It's the common go to excuse with athletes. Richard Gasquet the tennis player was due to be banned a year until he said he caught it off a wan he was mauling the face off in a nightclub. Tennis has a real see no evil attitude towards drugs though. If Serena or Federer or Nadal popped for steroids they could say they tripped and fell on a needle down an alleyway and they'd get away with it.

    Golf has done the same on a few occasions, not good for the image, drugs are only used by poor people don't you know!


  • #47
    Peintre Celebre
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    Did the B sample ever come back? Amazing all the talk about it how it would clear his name and then nothing.

    Robbie Downey not too pleased on twitter that he got six months and oisin got three.

    Not a doubt in my mind Oisin took it. Absolutely laughable that by denying it enough he got s lighter sentence


  • #48
    Joe_ Public
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    I'd imagine Robbie Downey will be feeling a bit peeved they accepted Murphy's hair test as mitigating evidence. It's one rule for some, he may well be thinking.


  • #49
    akelly02
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    Easily transferable through shifting

    Once you snort it , you can feel it in the back of your throat

    Also plenty of people rub what residue is left on their gums or lick the bag .

    I believe him , I know many dont

    I'm long enough in the tooth now to cop a coke user , and hes not one of them


  • #50
    Peintre Celebre
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    Naive comment. Look at your doctor, your solicitor, your post man. Good chance one of them is a coke user.


  • #51
    akelly02
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    Peintre Celebre wrote: »
    Naive comment. Look at your doctor, your solicitor, your post man. Good chance one of them is a coke user.



    I call it as I see it .

    Your allowed your opinion, I'm allowed have mine


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