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Report: Vitamin D Insufficiency is Prevalent in Severe COVID-19

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  • #52
    i57dwun4yb1pt8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    you need to be allowing arms and face to get the sun between 11 am and 2 pm to get uvb to create vitamin d
    sun at low angles is way less potent for vitamin d ( but grand to burn you )

    if your shadow is shorter than you, its a good time

    but aside from vit D , sun exposure has a load of health benefits within reason


  • #53
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    silverharp wrote: »
    angle , if your shadow is longer than you, then your body doesn't make Vit D , the relevant wavelengths get absorbed by the atmosphere. In Ireland that means after about the 25th April and 12pm-2pm at the moment

    And for those of us still working, we don't get a chance to get out into the sun.

    Had a mole removed and warned about the sun... I can't lock myself away, so I won't stay in the sun, but hoping just travelling to the shops and a little exposure might be enough.


  • #54
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    That's interesting, I never heard of that.

    Isn't midday sun the worst time to be out as well?


  • #55
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Ayan Old-fashioned Printer wrote: »
    you need to be allowing arms and face to get the sun between 11 am and 2 pm to get uvb to create vitamin d
    sun at low angles is way less potent for vitamin d ( but grand to burn you )

    if your shadow is shorter than you, its a good time

    but aside from vit D , sun exposure has a load of health benefits within reason

    How long would you need to be out in the sun in tbose times to get enough Vit D?

    Actually what is enough Vit D ,like 10 mins a day during optimum time be enough or is there a way to measure it effectively?


  • #56
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Isn't midday sun the worst time to be out as well?

    Yeah, you're supposed to avoid the sun between 11am and 3pm. But maybe that advice is part of the reason so many people don't have enough vitamin d? Definitely where I am though, during the summer you couldnt sit out for the required time without sunscreen and not be burned. I sit out first thing with my coffee and it works just fine. Last blood test showed a normal vitamin d level.


  • #57
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Typical. I had a blood analysis a two months ago (nothing to do with C19) and was found to have virtually no Vit D.

    Had to start taking 4000iu of Vit D everyday. Now of course it is linked with better C19 survival rates so now I can't get any Vit D in the shops. Had to order online and restricted to one pack per person.

    You can get free vitamin d with some nice relaxation under the midday sun


  • #58
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,674 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    you dont need hours and hours, something like 30min a couple of times a week is plenty

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  • #59
    Sunrise_Sunset
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Sunrise_Sunset


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    And for those of us still working, we don't get a chance to get out into the sun.

    Had a mole removed and warned about the sun... I can't lock myself away, so I won't stay in the sun, but hoping just travelling to the shops and a little exposure might be enough.

    I've had a mole removed too, and a couple of other scares. I have very fair skin and have been warned by my Dermatologist to wear sunscreen 365 days a year. I don't wear it though from about October-March, as I'm not really outside much, no longer than 10/15 mins at a time.
    I wear it for the rest of the year though. I also take a vitamin D supplement of 2200iu a day, along with 1000mg of vitamin C and a multivitamin. I come and go between other vitamins & supplements too, taking others as needed but not consistently.
    I do feel that the sun is important for health and has many benefits. But I have to be extremely careful due to my skin type & history.


  • #60
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    I had severe vitamin D deficiency and it was not fun.

    fb goups that helped me to improve my health:
    understanding vitamin d deficiency and treatment
    vitamin d deficiency uk - open discussion

    I use an app to see when you can get vitamin D from the sun

    good vitamin D (with no nasty fillers):
    I take 10000 a day

    https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vitamin-D-D3-5000IU-Cholecalciferol-in-Olive-Oil-180-365-Softgels-NaturPlus/202334317039?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=503040626553&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649


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  • #61
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,155 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Our GP told us years ago to take Vit D3 in the winter .We got lax taking it but the last three weeks we are taking 1000u D3 and also taking Vit C


  • #62
    i57dwun4yb1pt8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    20 mins a day around noon isnt going to kill you , but if you have compromised skin i would stick with supplements

    but just getting sun light onto you even with sunblock for UV is good for you for general health


  • #63
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    wakka12 wrote: »
    You can get free vitamin d with some nice relaxation under the midday sun

    Yeah that's a bit of a problem when most people are working indoors around midday on wards.

    Anyway I run outdoors 5-6 times a week all year round spending up to 2-3 hours outside at a time in shorts and t shirts so I would have thought that would have exposed me to plenty of UV light. Apparently not.


  • #64
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Our GP told us years ago to take Vit D3 in the winter .We got lax taking it but the last three weeks we are taking 1000u D3 and also taking Vit C

    I was reading about vit c supplements over the weekend and apparently they are useless and made from all sorts of fake crap- more harm than good.

    Get your vitamin c from fruit- eat and apple and orange every day.


  • #65
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    partyguinness wrote: »
    I was reading about vit c supplements over the weekend and apparently they are useless and made from all sorts of fake crap- more harm than good.

    Get your vitamin c from fruit- eat and apple and orange every day.

    or you can get vitamin C from home made fermented food, it is good for the gut health as well


  • #66
    OnYerPike
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭OnYerPike


    mille100piedi wrote: »
    I had severe vitamin D deficiency and it was not fun.

    fb goups that helped me to improve my health:
    understanding vitamin d deficiency and treatment
    vitamin d deficiency uk - open discussion

    I use an app to see when you can get vitamin D from the sun

    good vitamin D (with no nasty fillers):
    I take 10000 a day

    https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vitamin-D-D3-5000IU-Cholecalciferol-in-Olive-Oil-180-365-Softgels-NaturPlus/202334317039?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=503040626553&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

    Had a look at ebay. That product doesn't ship to Ireland. How did you manage to get it?


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  • #67
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    OnYerPike wrote: »
    Had a look at ebay. That product doesn't ship to Ireland. How did you manage to get it?

    parcelmotel or addresspal


  • #68
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    circadian wrote: »
    You gonna follow that authoritive answer up with some information or do I just take your word for it?


    What do you want?

    Simple question.
    Simple answer.
    Google it yourself if you are the one person in the world who doesnt know the answer.


  • #69
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭circadian


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    What do you want?

    Simple question.
    Simple answer.
    Google it yourself if you are the one person in the world who doesnt know the answer.

    https://www.skincancer.org/blog/sun-protection-and-vitamin-d/

    It appears that it doesn't.

    There ye go, maybe you shouldn't answer simple questions with simple answers when you don't actually know.


  • #70
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    circadian wrote: »
    https://www.skincancer.org/blog/sun-protection-and-vitamin-d/

    It appears that it doesn't.

    There ye go, maybe you shouldn't answer simple questions with simple answers when you don't actually know.


    God you are hard work.

    Up to you what you believe. You wanted an answer you got one earlier and got all pr1cky about it.

    Cant help people who wont help themselves.


    Think about this.
    How much Vitamin D are you going to get from being in the sun 20 minutes with factor 50 on you?
    Dont you think it might a hell of a lot less Vitamin D than if you didnt have factor 50 on you?


  • #71
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    An Irish study

    Vitamin D deficiency in Ireland – implications for COVID-19.
    Results from The Irish Longitudinal Study on Ageing (TILDA)

    https://tilda.tcd.ie/publications/reports/pdf/Report_Covid19VitaminD.pdf


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  • #72
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,674 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I have the suspicion that our ancestors werent dropping dead of skin cancer even though they would have spent a lot of time outdoors. There has to be additional environmental or dietary complications now. Obesity, using sun creams, using a lot of detergents on the skin which affect the Vit D process.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #73
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    silverharp wrote: »
    I have the suspicion that our ancestors werent dropping dead of skin cancer even though they would have spent a lot of time outdoors. There has to be additional environmental or dietary complications now. Obesity, using sun creams, using a lot of detergents on the skin which affect the Vit D process.


    The pool of them living to an age where skin cancer is a factor would have been much smaller. Probably died a lot younger of hard work and other diseases that are curable now.


  • #74
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭circadian


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    God you are hard work.

    Up to you what you believe. You wanted an answer you got one earlier and got all pr1cky about it.

    Cant help people who wont help themselves.


    Think about this.
    How much Vitamin D are you going to get from being in the sun 20 minutes with factor 50 on you?
    Dont you think it might a hell of a lot less Vitamin D than if you didnt have factor 50 on you?

    God help ye, hard work.

    I wouldn't say asking you for a source on something is getting all pri1cky. If you're going to commit to an answer then when someone asks for more information a better response would be sources instead of basing nit off your own uninformed intuition and "simple question simple answer" tripe.


  • #75
    Hoboo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    OnYerPike wrote: »
    Had a look at ebay. That product doesn't ship to Ireland. How did you manage to get it?

    I wouldn't go near Ebay for nutrition, god knows that youre getting.

    HP Nutrition in Kerry deliver next day. Have Solgar and Now vitamins, two of the best you can get, 4000 and 5000, or less if thats too much for you. Im on the Solgar 4000, and just ordered Now 5000 (better value and out of stock all the time).

    One a day for the past 8 weeks and Ive too much energy, Im flat out with work, gym, walking the dog, doing the house up and only 4-5 hours sleep a night. They're unreal


  • #76
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    mille100piedi wrote: »

    I use an app to see when you can get vitamin D from the sun

    good vitamin D (with no nasty fillers):
    I take 10000 a day

    https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vitamin-D-D3-5000IU-Cholecalciferol-in-Olive-Oil-180-365-Softgels-NaturPlus/202334317039?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=503040626553&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649


    Informative post, thanks

    What app are you using? And what are "nasty fillers" in vitamins? I didn't know they had any


  • #77
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    mille100piedi wrote: »

    or you can get vitamin C from home made fermented food,it is good for the gut health as well


    For example? Cheers


  • #78
    Away With The Fairies
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    Apparently vitamin k deficiency is linked to severe Covid 19.

    Vitamin k also helps with the absorption of vitamin D along with magnesium...

    But vitamin K also helps the blood to clot. Shouldn't we be avoiding vitamin k with a disease that can cause clotting.


  • #79
    Tropheus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭Tropheus


    mille100piedi wrote: »
    I had severe vitamin D deficiency and it was not fun.

    fb goups that helped me to improve my health:
    understanding vitamin d deficiency and treatment
    vitamin d deficiency uk - open discussion

    I use an app to see when you can get vitamin D from the sun

    good vitamin D (with no nasty fillers):
    I take 10000 a day

    https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vitamin-D-D3-5000IU-Cholecalciferol-in-Olive-Oil-180-365-Softgels-NaturPlus/202334317039?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=503040626553&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

    That's a lot of Vit D. You can get too much of a good thing. Have you had your levels checked by a doctor?


  • #80
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »

    But vitamin K also helps the blood to clot. Shouldn't we be avoiding vitamin k with a disease that can cause clotting.


    I think you're overthinking it. And I say that as someone who does a lot of thinking about Covid


  • #81
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    I think you're overthinking it. And I say that as someone who does a lot of thinking about Covid

    I probably am.


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  • #82
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    It's possible to develop toxicity to Vit D, so please be very careful. I take it, because I have MS but I get my bloods done regularly and check levels. Horsing high levels of it, without testing your levels can do more harm than good.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-d-toxicity/faq-20058108


  • #83
    Wyldwood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Wyldwood


    I wouldn't start supplementing Vit D3 without first having bloods done to check levels. Vit D toxicity is dangerous and can lead to hypercalcemia (too much calcium) as vit d pulls calcium into the blood and can lead to kidney stones

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6158375/

    the recommended dose of Vit D3will depend on your blood levels

    With regards Vit K there's K1 & K2. K1 is involved in blood clotting, K2 is the one that's aids absorbtion of Vit D3. Vit K2 can have side affects in some people, such as palpitations, so caution urged and consult a doctor first.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6158375/

    Disclaimer: I'm not a medic but have used Vit D3 & K2 for many years wtih doctor's guidance for medical reasons and have bloods done annually to check levels.

    Post crossed with byhookorbycrook but same message.


  • #84
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    It's possible to develop toxicity to Vit D, so please be very careful. I take it, because I have MS but I get my bloods done regularly and check levels. Horsing high levels of it, without testing your levels can do more harm than good.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-d-toxicity/faq-20058108

    MayoClinic's links seem dodgy at times. They seem to gear their SEO to get clicks from panicked people doing research

    Take this example from that article

    Taking 60,000 international units (IU) a day of vitamin D for several months has been shown to cause toxicity. This level is many times higher than the U.S. Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for most adults of 600 IU of vitamin D a day.


    60 feckin' thousand?

    That would mean taking 12 tablets a day of the very strong linked Ebay ons in this thread https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vitamin-D-D3-5000IU-Cholecalciferol-in-Olive-Oil-180-365-Softgels-NaturPlus/202334317039?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&var=503040626553&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

    I would however watch your kidneys with any supplement like this. I'm just taking one 1,000 strength a day at the moment. I think - until I get my Vit D levels properly tested - I'll up it to only 2,000 strength


  • #85
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    Hoboo wrote: »
    I wouldn't go near Ebay for nutrition, god knows that youre getting.

    HP Nutrition in Kerry deliver next day. Have Solgar and Now vitamins, two of the best you can get, 4000 and 5000, or less if thats too much for you. Im on the Solgar 4000, and just ordered Now 5000 (better value and out of stock all the time).

    One a day for the past 8 weeks and Ive too much energy, Im flat out with work, gym, walking the dog, doing the house up and only 4-5 hours sleep a night. They're unreal

    I don't take any supplement with Magnesium Stearate.
    solgar supplements make me sick.

    I actually take
    https://www.vitamaze.shop/en/buy-vitamin-d3-14000-high-strength

    my boyfriend take the ebay vitamin D and the vitamin D level didn't drop
    which is your level?


  • #86
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Informative post, thanks

    What app are you using? And what are "nasty fillers" in vitamins? I didn't know they had any

    Magnesium stearate is one of them it is a lubricant and it makes me sick, it is not easy to find pills without it,it is everywhere

    app is dminder


  • #87
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    For example? Cheers

    they are very easy to do, you can ferment any vegetables. You practically make a brine with mineral water and salt (30-40gr for liters)and you submerge the vegetable in a ikea jar. And then you wait. You have to keep submerged the veg all the time and keep them in a fresh and dark place.The fermented veg thanks to the lactic acid will start to be sour and fizzy. I usually ferment radish, small cucumber, cabbage, beetroot but any veg will do. you can find many video in youtube.
    My health improved a lot


  • #88
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    Tropheus wrote: »
    That's a lot of Vit D. You can get too much of a good thing. Have you had your levels checked by a doctor?

    the doctor didn't bother to check my vitamin D level so I checked it myself. I was very surprise that in Ireland, a country with little sunshine, it is not a routine to check for vitamin D.
    My doctor in USA told me that now vitamin D deficiency is getting very bad and they see many children with this deficiency and they have to give them very high dose to them in effort to raise their level. They think is the lifestyle and children spend too much time indoor. She is a an geneticist expert in metabolic disorder.


  • #89
    lainycool
    Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭lainycool


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Apparently vitamin k deficiency is linked to severe Covid 19.

    Vitamin k also helps with the absorption of vitamin D along with magnesium...

    But vitamin K also helps the blood to clot. Shouldn't we be avoiding vitamin k with a disease that can cause clotting.

    Vitamin K2 is used for the absorption of Vitamin D, Vitamin K1 is the Vitamin K that clots the blood.


  • #90
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    MayoClinic's links seem dodgy at times. They seem to gear their SEO to get clicks from panicked people doing research

    Take this example from that article




    60 feckin' thousand?

    That would mean taking 12 tablets a day of the very strong linked Ebay ons in this thread https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vitamin-D-D3-5000IU-Cholecalciferol-in-Olive-Oil-180-365-Softgels-NaturPlus/202334317039?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&var=503040626553&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

    I would however watch your kidneys with any supplement like this. I'm just taking one 1,000 strength a day at the moment. I think - until I get my Vit D levels properly tested - I'll up it to only 2,000 strength

    For very severe case doctors prescribed 100.000 or 200 000 a day,they are injections not pills. You can have toxicity with this amount but nobody is taking 100 000 if there is not doctor that prescribe this amount of vitamin D


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  • #91
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Hi

    Two questions for ya:
    • Which brand of high strength supplement and what dosage?
    • Is Vitamin D in Cod Liver Oil in good amounts?
    it depends what your level is, usually you can't get vitamin D from the food so much, you really need UVB light.
    did you already test your vitamin D level?you shoud test it every 3 months to see if you reach a good level


  • #92
    [Deleted User]
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    mille100piedi wrote: »
    they are very easy to do, you can ferment any vegetables. You practically make a brine with mineral water and salt (30-40gr for liters)and you submerge the vegetable in a ikea jar. And then you wait. You have to keep submerged the veg all the time and keep them in a fresh and dark place.The fermented veg thanks to the lactic acid will start to be sour and fizzy. I usually ferment radish, small cucumber, cabbage, beetroot but any veg will do. you can find many video in youtube.
    My health improved a lot

    Though this can be good for you, Fermented Veg is very potent and easy to over do. I would never take it for improvement of Vitamin D. They can cause as much problems as they cure simply because they're easy to over do. Every few months there's a fad and this seems to be one of them, though they have benefits, Fermented veg should be really taken on a softly softly approach.


  • #93
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    For example? Cheers

    fermented food is full of vitamin C, you really don't need to take any supplement.
    Scurvy killed Columbus's crew during his travel to America, it takes three months for a vitamin C deficiency develop in scurvy.

    Fermented sauerkraut played an important role in helping prevent scurvy — an affliction known in its day as the scourge of the seas, responsible for an estimated two million deaths between 1500 and 1800 — on sailing ships around the world.
    You get more vitamin C from sauerkraut than just from cabbage


    Unfortunately with vitamin D is more complicated. In places with little sunshine people used to eat a lot of fatty fish, but now many fish we buy is not wild but raise in farms

    for example:

    wild Pacific salmon had more than 500 IU of vitamin D per 3.5 oz serving, while farmed salmon had only 60 IU.


  • #94
    Esel
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    mille100piedi wrote: »
    I don't take any supplement with Magnesium Stearate.
    solgar supplements make me sick.

    I actually take
    https://www.vitamaze.shop/en/buy-vitamin-d3-14000-high-strength

    my boyfriend take the ebay vitamin D and the vitamin D level didn't drop
    which is your level?
    Interesting - that link is for a 14,000 iu tablet, and says take one every 14 days.

    Not your ornery onager



  • #95
    mille100piedi
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭mille100piedi


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Though this can be good for you, Fermented Veg is very potent and easy to over do. I would never take it for improvement of Vitamin D. They can cause as much problems as they cure simply because they're easy to over do. Every few months there's a fad and this seems to be one of them, though they have benefits, Fermented veg should be really taken on a softly softly approach.

    vitamin D has nothing to do with fermented vegetables.... Fermented vegetables have been eating for very long time in east Europe. How do you think they survived the long winter with no tesco around and tons of snow?lol
    they still eat plenty of fermented food as you can see in Polish shop
    And honestly east European people look much more healthy then the Irish.


  • #96
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    i take 5000iu a day
    bulkpowders.ie

    vit d is fat soluble.
    it must be taken with a meal or prob not absorbed.


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    silverharp
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    A good summary of some of the studies around this area (16min long)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwwTBF14Plc

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    mille100piedi wrote: »
    vitamin D has nothing to do with fermented vegetables.... Fermented vegetables have been eating for very long time in east Europe. How do you think they survived the long winter with no tesco around and tons of snow?lol
    they still eat plenty of fermented food as you can see in Polish shop
    And honestly east European people look much more healthy then the Irish.

    you've just answered your own issue there. Easter Europeans have a high tolerance I imagine then, if as you say they've been eating it for a very long time.
    The same way about 80% of Asians cannot stomach the lactose in milk as it has only been introduced into their diet a hell of a lot later than say Europeans.
    The same way inuits can handle tons of very fatty food and yet their cholesterol seems ok with it, research has shown.

    In terms of "looking healthier" well that's a complete matter of your opinion.
    what are the visible hallmarks of health in your mind?


  • #99
    mille100piedi
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    rusty cole wrote: »
    you've just answered your own issue there. Easter Europeans have a high tolerance I imagine then, if as you say they've been eating it for a very long time.
    The same way about 80% of Asians cannot stomach the lactose in milk as it has only been introduced into their diet a hell of a lot later than say Europeans.
    The same way inuits can handle tons of very fatty food and yet their cholesterol seems ok with it, research has shown.

    In terms of "looking healthier" well that's a complete matter of your opinion.
    what are the visible hallmarks of health in your mind?

    In Ireland people drink beer..you know is a fermented beverage?
    Soda bread is made with buttermilk which is fermented.
    In every tradition there are fermented food that used to keep the gut healthy. Now people eat less and less this type of food and commercially food and drinks don't have the benefit of the ones home made.
    It is funny when people are criticised when suggesting to eat natural food (vegs)preserved though natural method (fermentation) meanwhile all around people drinks tons of soda and chocolate every day. If I drink a can of coke every day nobody say anything, but if I dare to eat fermented food, butter or even bacon every day so many people are worry about my health! lol I can't believe how people have been so brainwashed.
    Yes I believe we have different options about what health is and we can't really learn anything from each other so we agree to disagree.


  • #100
    Xertz
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    I wonder though is this just down to the fact that the majority of those who got very sick were also likely to be quite elderly or infirm and may not have been going outside as much?

    I'm always wary about these early correlation type statements that have no real ability to show causation. You get them a lot in dietary type stuff.

    I mean if you take our climate, we are adapted to it. I wouldn't go out of my way to suggest that Irish people are all low in Vit D.
    That's why many of us tend to fry in even sightly sunnier climes. Relatively little UV and we produce adequate vitamin D in most cases, but obviously it does impact some of us more than others depending on your skin type and ability to produce it in low light.

    One aspect that does concern me though is people plastering themselves in sunblock with notions that it's anti-aging in a region that gets very little sunlight much of the year.

    I know quite a few people who'd wear SPF all year here, and I would say some of that research is more likely to be appropriate in California or the South of France.

    Obviously take care of your skin, and avoid skin cancer, but some of this anti-aging stuff gets a bit ridiculous as you might be getting very little sun exposure anyway.

    To me it looks like the Coronavirus just follows the lines of what you'd expect it to follow - international flight traffic, notably long distance business travel type stuff. So, you've had outbreaks everywhere and particular hotspots in Western Europe, North America, parts of Asia and lighter outbreaks in places that aren't those kinds of nexuses of that kind of traffic.

    Also tourism traffic will have played a huge role - Spain for example being one of the most visited places in the world.


  • #101
    maninasia
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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838v1


    It would be ridiculous to suggest that Vitamin D cures COVID-19. But it does appear that people who get it and have Vitamin D deficiency are much more likely to have a severe case. People who ended up in the ICU were more likely to have Vitamin D deficiency than the less severe cases, and all of the patients under 75 years of age who had to go to ICU were Vitamin D deficient

    Low vitamin D is common amongst a broad range of chronic diseases and our levels drop as we age. It's a marker for early mortality. It's more likely a result of disease rather than the cause .
    There are thousands of papers linking vitamin d to everything under the sun.

    Only one surety, low vitamin D is a bad sign. By the way there is no evidence that supplementing with vitamin D will improve health unfortunately.


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