Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

beanian · 14-03-2017 12:59pm

irishgeo wrote: »

Would they have personal locators?

Yes they would have.

crisco10 · 14-03-2017 12:59pm

Shane_ef wrote: »

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-9/centery:54/zoom:10

Eerie that you can still see 116 on the radar (with last update ~11hours ago) just off Blackrock. Can see its track from Dublin and everything.

Veloce · 14-03-2017 12:59pm

beanian wrote: »

Yes they would have.

That is not good news then.

AirBiscuit · 14-03-2017 1:03pm

Are the helicopters not fitted with transponders as well as AIS? Altitude reporting would have been helpful here

Sterling Archer · 14-03-2017 1:04pm

News describing the found crew member as Male

cosanostra · 14-03-2017 1:07pm

Life boat was prob checking out coast of Achill. Achill coast guard have issued a statement asking people to check the north coast of the island for anything of note

DBB · 14-03-2017 1:08pm

IAC SAR on course back to the scene now

irishgeo · 14-03-2017 1:09pm

cosanostra wrote: »

Life boat was prob checking out coast of Achill. Achill coast guard have issued a statement asking people to check the north coast of the island for anything of note

The North coast of achill doesn't have much population and is very inaccessible.

Stovepipe · 14-03-2017 1:10pm

A lot of the CHC crew are Irish, even though it's a UK company, so lots of ex-Air Corps in there. Quite a few ex-RN/RAF, too and civil-origin crew, also. So, a lot of attention being paid all across Ireland and the UK and in the US.

irishgeo · 14-03-2017 1:14pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

A lot of the CHC crew are Irish, even though it's a UK company, so lots of ex-Air Corps in there. Quite a few ex-RN/RAF, too and civil-origin crew, also. So, a lot of attention being paid all across Ireland and the UK and in the US.

Would the US UK use the same type of helicopter?

ED E · 14-03-2017 1:15pm

AirBiscuit wrote: »

Are the helicopters not fitted with transponders as well as AIS? Altitude reporting would have been helpful here

Supposedly in 99 they had SABRE and ELT so a dual system, if thats still current today others will know.

Bigbok · 14-03-2017 1:19pm

irishgeo wrote: »

Would the US UK use the same type of helicopter?

I use the same helicopter to fly to my offshore oil rigs in the uk.S92 as all the 225 super pumas are banned by the oil companies.problem with CHC is cutting corners with maintenance that's why there's no faith in the choppers in the oil industry but hopefully the coastguard choppers are maintained to a better standard

Peregrine · 14-03-2017 1:19pm

DBB wrote: »

IAC SAR on course back to the scene now

Was an IAC heli there? I see that Medevac 112 is in the air. I would have thought that they'd be on a regular mission but they're headed in that direction alright. A 135 took off from Baldonnel a few minutes ago but I'm not sure where that's going.

Donegal Storm · 14-03-2017 1:19pm

Awful news, I grew up on an island off Donegal and there are multiple people in the area who wouldn't be there today but for the heroic actions of the coastguard and RNLI. Regularly see the helicopters doing training exercises with the ferries as well as medical evacs so it really hits home. Hopefully some positive news to come

Peregrine · 14-03-2017 1:22pm

AirBiscuit wrote: »

Are the helicopters not fitted with transponders as well as AIS? Altitude reporting would have been helpful here

Yes

TallGlass · 14-03-2017 1:26pm

Nearly 12 hours now, this isn't good at all. I wonder if they are holding off releasing the bad news to the media and want to let the family's know first.

fred funk }{ · 14-03-2017 1:28pm

crisco10 wrote: »

Eerie that you can still see 116 on the radar (with last update ~11hours ago) just off Blackrock. Can see its track from Dublin and everything.

Forgive my stupidity. Where does it state 116 on that map? is that it shaded out north of Black Rock, if it is, is that not a good distance away from where they're looking?

kona · 14-03-2017 1:30pm

Bigbok wrote: »

I use the same helicopter to fly to my offshore oil rigs in the uk.S92 as all the 225 super pumas are banned by the oil companies.problem with CHC is cutting corners with maintenance that's why there's no faith in the choppers in the oil industry but hopefully the coastguard choppers are maintained to a better standard

I can assure you chc don't cut corners on maintenance.

Sterling Archer · 14-03-2017 1:31pm

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Forgive my stupidity. Where does it state 116 on that map? is that it shaded out north of Black Rock, if it is, is that not a good distance away from where they're looking?

DBB · 14-03-2017 1:34pm

Peregrine wrote: »

Was an IAC heli there? I see that Medevac 112 is in the air. I would have thought that they'd be on a regular mission but they're headed in that direction alright. A 135 took off from Baldonnel a few minutes ago but I'm not sure where that's going.

Sorry... To clarify, it's SARA 1110 that is now back in the area, presumably after refuelling/crew change in Mullingar.
Eugene Clonan reported a short while ago, I think on Newstalk, that the IAC helis are on standby having offered assistance. He said they don't want too many aircraft in the one place.

Sterling Archer · 14-03-2017 1:36pm

DBB wrote: »

Sorry... To clarify, it's SARA 1110 that is now back in the area, presumably after refuelling/crew change in Mullingar.
Eugene Clonan reported a short while ago, I think on Newstalk, that the IAC helis are on standby having offered assistance. He said they don't want too many aircraft in the one place.

Presumably they will be offered in a case where the ICG helis would be normally needed, regular shouts

Peregrine · 14-03-2017 1:37pm

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Forgive my stupidity. Where does it state 116 on that map? is that it shaded out north of Black Rock, if it is, is that not a good distance away from where they're looking?

The greyed out one just to the west of Black Rock. I'm sure they've already checked that area. Could be at a location anywhere in the region dictated by currents.

Besides, I'm not sure what the reporting interval picked up by the website is. i.e. there could have been maybe a minute between the location on the website and when the aircraft went down. Maybe the ICG has a more accurate location.

Storm 10 · 14-03-2017 1:37pm

DBB wrote: »

Sorry... To clarify, it's SARA 1110 that is now back in the area, presumably after refuelling/crew change in Mullingar.
Eugene Clonan reported a short while ago, I think on Newstalk, that the IAC helis are on standby having offered assistance. He said they don't want too many aircraft in the one place.

Sar 1110 is the Air Corps Casa it does not go to Mullingar , Air Corps 112 is currently on a tasking near Westport Co Mayo.

AirBiscuit · 14-03-2017 1:38pm

Peregrine wrote: »

Yes

I never see them on Flightradar, only Air Corps 112 makes a regular appearance.

DOCARCH · 14-03-2017 1:40pm

TallGlass wrote: »

Nearly 12 hours now, this isn't good at all. I wonder if they are holding off releasing the bad news to the media and want to let the family's know first.

I'm sure the families are kept (well) up to date.

As they are sending divers to the scene, you'd have to think that the main fuselage of the heli is under water/has sunk.

Storm 10 · 14-03-2017 1:41pm

crisco10 wrote: »

Eerie that you can still see 116 on the radar (with last update ~11hours ago) just off Blackrock. Can see its track from Dublin and everything.

The reason why Rescue 116 is showing on Marine Traffic is because that is the last known position ,the blue colour changes to a very light shade of blue and will be seen for a number of days.

ED E · 14-03-2017 1:44pm

AirBiscuit wrote: »

I never see them on Flightradar, only Air Corps 112 makes a regular appearance.

There's a ceiling that FR24 covers. FL100 I think?

jimbis · 14-03-2017 1:46pm

Lots of media saying that last contact was from the crew saying they were heading to blacksod to refuel and THEN head out into the Atlantic.
I'm assuming they have details wrong and they had competed their task and were returning to blacksod to refuel before setting off for Dublin?

Sterling Archer · 14-03-2017 1:47pm

jimbis wrote: »

Lots of media saying that last contact was from the crew saying they were heading to blacksod to refuel and THEN head out into the Atlantic.
I'm assuming they have details wrong and they had competed their task and were returning to blacksod to refuel before setting off for Dublin?

They did turn back, possibly for fuel

cson · 14-03-2017 1:53pm

I hope that wasn't an illegal Russian factory trawler that we were wasting resources on.

uck51js9zml2yt · 14-03-2017 1:55pm

DOCARCH wrote: »

I'm sure the families are kept (well) up to date.

As they are sending divers to the scene, you'd have to think that the main fuselage of the heli is under water/has sunk.

One of the missing men has young kids. Tragic day for a lot of people.

DBB · 14-03-2017 1:57pm

Storm 10 wrote: »

Sar 1110 is the Air Corps Casa it does not go to Mullingar , Air Corps 112 is currently on a tasking near Westport Co Mayo.

Just relating what showed up on a quick glance at marinetraffic

bucketybuck · 14-03-2017 1:57pm

cson wrote: »

I hope that wasn't an illegal Russian factory trawler that we were wasting resources on.

I doubt the men and women of the coastguard would agree with the sentiment, which makes it rather disrespectful in this context.

cosanostra · 14-03-2017 1:57pm

cson wrote: »

I hope that wasn't an illegal Russian factory trawler that we were wasting resources on.

Still a human being in need of assistance the legality of their employer has nothing to do with it.

Sterling Archer · 14-03-2017 1:58pm

bucketybuck wrote: »

I doubt the men and women of the coastguard would agree with the sentiment, which makes it rather disrespectful in this context.

A life is a life, EMS personally put there lives on the line for anyone that needs help, so ya rather poor taste

irishgeo · 14-03-2017 2:01pm

Shane_ef wrote: »

They did turn back, possibly for fuel

from what i heard on radio one report. the mission was complete and they were on their way back to blacksod to refuel and go home.

donvito99 · 14-03-2017 2:02pm

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Time and a place dude, and that's not here.

Apologies, just trying to understand what's happened, deleted post.

Cessna_Pilot · 14-03-2017 2:04pm

cson wrote: »

I hope that wasn't an illegal Russian factory trawler that we were wasting resources on.

Time and a place dude, and that's not here.

MissTheDome · 14-03-2017 2:14pm

Bolted up in the bed at 12.30. Sounded like it was landing in the garden... checked the garden, there was nothing but thick fog.. went back to bed very uneasy. We are used to it on the island, but Christ, it woke my father .. neighbours.. everyone. Possibly the rescue one with the casualty?

We look across this stretch of water every day. No one understands the line between life and death better than the emergency services. Our thoughts are on every wave out there. God help them.

irishgeo · 14-03-2017 2:19pm

The helicopter beacon if it hits the water didn't activate nor did the personal locator beacons for the crew. That explains the long search. That's a huge mystery.

emo72 · 14-03-2017 2:25pm

irishgeo wrote: »

from what i heard on radio one report. the mission was complete and they were on their way back to blacksod to refuel and go home.

And i heard the opposite on pat Kenny this morning. Left Dublin? Stopping in blacksod to refuel and then heading west to continue mission. Pat was quite specific about his questioning, probably because we are hearing conflicting reports on what it had flown on the mission.

I was under the impression it had finished it's mission at sea and was on the way back to refuel at blacksod.

I'd hate to think they had gone out and were cutting their fuel supply close.

irishgeo · 14-03-2017 2:26pm

emo72 wrote: »

And i heard the opposite on pat Kenny this morning. Left Dublin? Stopping in blacksod to refuel and then heading west to continue mission. Pat was quite specific about his questioning, probably because we are hearing conflicting reports on what it had flown on the mission.

I was under the impression it had finished it's mission at sea and was on the way back to refuel at blacksod.

I'd hate to think they had gone out and were cutting their fuel supply close.

The past flight track on marine traffic doesn't show a stop in Blacksod.

irishgeo · 14-03-2017 2:28pm

irishgeo wrote: »

The helicopter beacon if it hits the water didn't activate nor did the personal locator beacons for the crew. That explains the long search. That's a huge mystery.

The source is an interview with Rte western correspont on Rte radio one.

emo72 · 14-03-2017 2:29pm

irishgeo wrote: »

The past flight track on marine traffic doesn't show a stop in Blacksod.

Yeah totally agree. Hearing different accounts on the news this morning. I'm pretty positive whoever pat was interviewing said it was landing in blacksod to refuel and heading west. I'm 100% he said west. Confusion abounds.

Lashes28 · 14-03-2017 2:33pm

Was on the rescue 116 last year when it was in our local GAA pitch..amazing machine and the lads were so good with the kids.

I hope against all odds they have a positive outcome,any outcome and soon for the sake of the families.
Can't imagine how tough it is for the other crews to be looking for their own.

cosanostra · 14-03-2017 2:38pm

irishgeo wrote: »

The past flight track on marine traffic doesn't show a stop in Blacksod.

Eugene Clonan clearly states on rte radio this morning that 116 flew direct from dublin past blacksod and turned back to refuel at blacksod but never made it. he stated this was a normal way to approach blacksod by going out to sea by 10 miles and returning

give it a listen here https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/841567480761864193

mcgiggles · 14-03-2017 2:38pm

SAR1110 on that live map has done some rounds of that area if you look at its flight path

gives me goosebumps thinking about what they must all be going through. Hoping beyond hope that there is some news soon. Chopper seems to have left Sligo also, looks like its headed south east again..

Mycroft H · 14-03-2017 2:39pm

emo72 wrote: »

irishgeo wrote: »

The past flight track on marine traffic doesn't show a stop in Blacksod.

Yeah totally agree. Hearing different accounts on the news this morning. I'm pretty positive whoever pat was interviewing said it was landing in blacksod to refuel and heading west. I'm 100% he said west. Confusion abounds.

Interview on RTe morning Ireland stated that it was normal to approach blacksod from the West. Coast Guard rep was quite specific about this.

plodder · 14-03-2017 2:41pm

cosanostra wrote: »

Eugene Clonan clearly states on rte radio this morning that 116 flew direct from dublin past blacksod and turned back to refuel at blacksod but never made it. he stated this was a normal way to approach blacksod by going out to sea by 10 miles and returning

give it a listen here https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/841567480761864193

That's exactly what I heard too. I can't understand why they would do that, but it has to be said he sounded upset and there was a bit of confusion around the question.

emo72 · 14-03-2017 2:42pm

cosanostra wrote: »

Eugene Clonan clearly states on rte radio this morning that 116 flew direct from dublin past blacksod and turned back to refuel at blacksod but never made it. he stated this was a normal way to approach blacksod by going out to sea by 10 miles and returning

That would explain it. Seems a bit mad to go 10 miles past it and back? And after that short trip it needs refueling? Obviously there's tons i don't know about SAR. Horrible disaster.

Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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