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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 6) *Read Mod Note in Post 1* Revised 13-01-19

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,532 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    That’s a tad simplistic Mellor
    If you own 1/24th of the parent company and all the parent company owns is the UFC, then you own 1/24th of the UFC. And selling your share in the parent company is the effectively selling your share in the UFC.

    McGregor leaving would of course impact on the value of the shares. But like owning shares in a public company or a house, you don’t have to sell when the value is low. And if you do want to sell, maybe you can convince a purchaser that the value is higher than normal valuation metrics would imply. The value is whatever a willing buyer and willing seller decide it is.

    The point is that they don't each own 1/24th of the company. The fact 24 people have ownership rights does not imply each of those ownership rights is equal. Ever hear the phrase "minority owner" used in American sports?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    Just to say all this talk about shares and shareholders is exactly the conversation I wanted to happen when I posted that clip.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    He's unproven at LW. Beaten and lost to a journeyman and lost easily to the champ.

    Alvarez was a false champion imo.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just to say all this talk about shares and shareholders is exactly the conversation I wanted to happen when I posted that clip.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    He's unproven at LW. Beaten and lost to a journeyman and lost easily to the champ.

    Alvarez was a false champion imo.
    He has only had 2 fights at lightweight in the UFC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,532 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Autecher wrote: »
    He has only had 2 fights at lightweight in the UFC.

    The Diaz fights were both lightweight fights without a cut.

    Pretending otherwise is a deliberately ignorant. Neither of them are welterweights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    The Diaz fights were both lightweight fights without a cut.

    Pretending otherwise is a deliberately ignorant. Neither of them are welterweights.
    The amount of people I see saying they were welterweight fights..

    As you said, lightweight fights without the cut. anyone with any sort of cop on understands that.

    Their natural weight may be welterweight, but definitely not their fighting weight. They'd both be massacred at welterweight.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Perhaps true. Though personally I've no problem with him not going against a top five for his next fight. I'm sure business-wise the UFC think similar, despite the main-eventing disagreement.

    I think his trajectory should be something like:

    A favourable match-up to get a W (though to be fair, there's not many gimme's at '55).

    Winner of Dustin/Max all going well.

    Khabib if he can pull off above.

    Diaz and out.

    Any L's en route and there's fair argument he should call it a day (Diaz excepting, that's an inevitable fight). But what do I know...

    How long can Diaz stay as an option if he doesn't fight, surely Diaz needs to get a fight under his belt to stay relevant if McGregor fights someone else?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    Autecher wrote: »
    He has only had 2 fights at lightweight in the UFC.

    The Diaz fights were both lightweight fights without a cut.

    Pretending otherwise is a deliberately ignorant. Neither of them are welterweights.
    I know, I wish weight cutting was gone altogether but they fought at welterweight. It's not deliberate ignorance it's fact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Autecher wrote: »
    I know, I wish weight cutting was gone altogether but they fought at welterweight. It's not deliberate ignorance it's fact.
    Not really, he would have been the same weight when he was fighting Alvarez and Khabib in his lightweight fights, after re-hydrating.

    Just because they were billed as welterweight, most guys fighting in that division will weigh in or around the 200lb mark come fight night,does that make the bouts light heavyweight?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Jamiekelly


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    He's unproven at LW. Beaten and lost to a journeyman and lost easily to the champ.

    Alvarez was a false champion imo.

    Alvarez beat Dos Anjos who was the lightweight champion, calling him a fake champion is pretty stupid by any rationalization.
    The Diaz fights were both lightweight fights without a cut.

    Pretending otherwise is a deliberately ignorant. Neither of them are welterweights.

    Are you on the mcgregor powder program by any chance? Because you can't have been sober posting that ;). They may not be welterweights but at that fight they were welterweights. Calling it a lightweight fight without a cut is actually deliberately ignorant.
    Tazzimus wrote: »
    The amount of people I see saying they were welterweight fights..

    As you said, lightweight fights without the cut. anyone with any sort of cop on understands that.

    Their natural weight may be welterweight, but definitely not their fighting weight. They'd both be massacred at welterweight.

    Their fighting weight on the night is all that matters really. The difference between fighting at 155 and 170 is nearly 10% in total weight gain, not exactly incidental in MMA considering how McGregor looks on the scale at 145 compared to 155.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    The point is that they don't each own 1/24th of the company.

    What percentage does Sly Stalone own?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    He's unproven at LW. Beaten and lost to a journeyman and lost easily to the champ.

    Alvarez was a false champion imo.

    Coner has never defendded a belt to, don't forget that.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Effects wrote: »
    Coner has never defendded a belt to, don't forget that.

    I never knew that. People should point that out more often.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Effects wrote: »
    Coner has never defendded a belt to, don't forget that.

    Pretty incredible. No one can ever say he is one of the greatest if he doesn't defend a title.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I never knew that. People should point that out more often.

    Yeah, and not just in his pro days with the UFC. When he was an amature with Cage Warriors he didn't defend those belts either. I think a lot of that was down to plumbing work commitments though.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    The point is that they don't each own 1/24th of the company. The fact 24 people have ownership rights does not imply each of those ownership rights is equal. Ever hear the phrase "minority owner" used in American sports?

    This. For starters, WME/IMG bought the company for $4billion. It then offered some celeb clients the chance to invest with a minimum buy amount of 250k. Each one did not invest the same amount of money, therefore they do not all own the same amount of equal shares and the sum of their share amounts does not equal the total buyout of $4billion either. Stallone for example is reported to have invested $40m, Serena Williams, on the other hand, is reported to have invested $75m and Anthony Kiedis $17m.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Alvarez was a false champion imo.

    Then your "o" is b*llocks.

    He knocked out the incumbent. Doesn't get any more "Champion" than that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭pastorbarrett


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    The amount of people I see saying they were welterweight fights..

    As you said, lightweight fights without the cut. anyone with any sort of cop on understands that.

    Their natural weight may be welterweight, but definitely not their fighting weight. They'd both be massacred at welterweight.

    Nate might not have been the fabled 200lb's he was claimed to be for that second fight, but he was bigger than he would have been for a 155 cut.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Not really, he would have been the same weight when he was fighting Alvarez and Khabib in his lightweight fights, after re-hydrating.

    Just because they were billed as welterweight, most guys fighting in that division will weigh in or around the 200lb mark come fight night,does that make the bouts light heavyweight?
    Yes I agree with you but that is my point. Weight cutting is the thing about this sport I hate the most! If Conor & Nate were 170 or close enough to it in the cage for the first fight then how is that not a welterweight fight? It's more welterweight than Woodley v Till which could at the very least been a middleweight fight (just in terms of their actual weights on fight night not what it was labelled as). I understand you and EagererBeaver's point and agree to an extent but not cutting lots of weight would in an ideal world be encouraged and not thought of as a crazy thing to not do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Axwell wrote: »
    This. For starters, WME/IMG bought the company for $4billion. It then offered some celeb clients the chance to invest with a minimum buy amount of 250k. Each one did not invest the same amount of money, therefore they do not all own the same amount of equal shares and the sum of their share amounts does not equal the total buyout of $4billion either. Stallone for example is reported to have invested $40m, Serena Williams, on the other hand, is reported to have invested $75m and Anthony Kiedis $17m.

    Yes n if sereana decides shes had enough and wants out in a few years she may not get back 75m thats all that trying to say.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Yes n if sereana decides shes had enough and wants out in a few years she may not get back 75m thats all that trying to say.

    Correct - same way the Fertitta brothers bought the company for way less than they eventually sold it for - valuations rise and fall. The confusion is coming from the use of the word share - people invested in the company, they did not all invest the same amount for an equal 1/24th share of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Effects wrote: »
    Yeah, and not just in his pro days with the UFC. When he was an amature with Cage Warriors he didn't defend those belts either. I think a lot of that was down to plumbing work commitments though.

    Cage warriors is a pro promotion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,642 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Axwell wrote: »
    Correct - same way the Fertitta brothers bought the company for way less than they eventually sold it for - valuations rise and fall. The confusion is coming from the use of the word share - people invested in the company, they did not all invest the same amount for an equal 1/24th share of it.
    I was the second person to use 1/24th, but it was as an example. Of course people who invest more than others will get more shares (assuming they invest at around the same time). It’s irrelevant to the point, which as you are aware, is that the share valuation will go up and down, regardless of the fact that it’s not quoted.
    But of course valuation is only really important at a time anyone looks to sell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    I was the second person to use 1/24th, but it was as an example. Of course people who invest more than others will get more shares (assuming they invest at around the same time). It’s irrelevant to the point, which as you are aware, is that the share valuation will go up and down, regardless of the fact that it’s not quoted.
    But of course valuation is only really important at a time anyone looks to sell.

    The main point i originally tried to make is the company without Conor fighting is worth less. If Conor wants it as part of his retirement package it will be worth less because he retired.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Then your "o" is b*llocks.

    He knocked out the incumbent. Doesn't get any more "Champion" than that!

    He won it yeah but he didn't have the mentality of a champion. He was bet before he even started fighting v McGregor.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    I think the shares thing is for him to stay in the news, the old say something mad so it's reported thing.

    I don't see any reality to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    He won it yeah but he didn't have the mentality of a champion. He was bet before he even started fighting v McGregor.

    Stop, stop. For the love of God stop!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I think the shares thing is for him to stay in the news, the old say something mad so it's reported thing.

    I don't see any reality to it.

    He was asked if he'd fight as co main and he answered by saying he would if he had a share. He has been saying he wants shares since before he even joined the ufc so no conspiracy here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    He won it yeah but he didn't have the mentality of a champion. He was bet before he even started fighting v McGregor.

    You could say the same about Aldo. Would you say he wasn't a true champion?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I think the shares thing is for him to stay in the news...
    This tweet is from 2014, at a point when he had only fought Brimage and Holloway, and just been sidelined for almost a years with his ACL.

    https://twitter.com/thenotoriousmma/status/474359523134939136


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    He won it yeah but he didn't have the mentality of a champion. He was bet before he even started fighting v McGregor.
    ......No


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Effects wrote: »
    You could say the same about Aldo. Would you say he wasn't a true champion?

    Multiple title defenses over a number of years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    He won it yeah but he didn't have the mentality of a champion. He was bet before he even started fighting v McGregor.

    :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Oh god


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    I assume that's about TJ getting popped


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He must be on the piss..


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    When he can control the one eyed snake he can call himself St Patrick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    Some recent quotes from that McGregor Q&A thingy.


    On the Khabib fight and possible rematch:


    "It’s easy to do this once, okay. It’s easy for someone to be given something and to just do it one time. You put your absolute all into it. But to do it time after time, year after year, that’s when the motivation kind of dips.
    That’s when the dedication kind of lacks and that’s when people creep up. That’s what I feel kind of happened here. I didn’t give him his respect, I marched forward and got caught with that overhand right.
    If I had switched on I would not get caught with that overhand in any form of combat. I am very confident, very eager and very much in shape. I’ve got to respect that. He’s a formidable opponent. He’s wrestled bears as a kid, put a lot of time in his standup. He was a lot sharper than I anticipated he was going to be, so I have to respect that. It was his big moment. If there is dispute, there must be a rematch. There was a dispute in my last one. I slapped his brother and his cousin around at the top of the cage. This is not over. So there is dispute and there has got to be rematch".


    On Joe Rogan:


    "He’s a great man, he’s got a great following, he’s got crazy insight, gets great guests, maybe at some stage of the game I’ll be on his podcast, who knows. I’d like him to call a fight how he sees it correctly, instead of reading off a script though. The Diaz rematch it was like he was reading a script from the first fight and that last one, he was talking about my face was being smashed in. I left that Octagon with a black eye, the same way his two rat cousins left with. His brother and his cousin left the Octagon with a black eye, so what is he [Rogan] talking about? But maybe one day I’ll be a guest on his podcast.”


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Haha McGregor will never go on Rogan unless he gets a script of questions before he goes on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Haha McGregor will never go on Rogan unless he gets a script of questions before he goes on.

    I could see him on the show in the future


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Haha McGregor will never go on Rogan unless he gets a script of questions before he goes on.

    No need of a script Joe will like his arse for the entirety of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Joe already has a script of questions.

    Have you ever smoked DMT?
    Do you think MMA is high level problem solving with dire physical consequences?
    etc...


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Joe already has a script of questions.

    Have you ever smoked DMT?
    Do you think MMA is high level problem solving with dire physical consequences?
    etc...


    I know you have a Gorilla tattoo, but what about Chimpanzee's?



    I don't think Conor would be able to sit still for the few hours that Joe likes to take for his podcast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Autecher wrote: »
    I left that Octagon with a black eye, the same way his two rat cousins left with. His brother and his cousin left the Octagon with a black eye, so what is he [Rogan] talking about?”

    Err, that Khabib didn't leave the octagon with a black eye.


  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭ElBastardo1


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Joe already has a script of questions.

    Have you ever smoked DMT?
    Do you think MMA is high level problem solving with dire physical consequences?
    etc...

    Joe: Pull that video of those kids on DMT Jamie.
    :Man, Schaub is killing it with his stand up these days.
    :Jon Jones is a bad muder****er, definitely GOAT
    :GSP is GOAT
    :You know what, Conor man, you have a claim to being GOAT
    :Nick and Nate are killers man, they just love fighting (2 years since either graced an octagon)
    :I love Dana, he tells it straight (constantly lies)
    :TJ isn't juiced, its Bang Ludwigs style. you know what? Bang might be the best trainer in the world these days
    :Jackson winkle John are the best in the world
    :You know what SBG might be the best gym in the world
    :My new show is probably my best work (not one single funny joke)
    :Matt Hume might be the best coach in the world now
    :Anderson Silva is the Goat, is there even an argument?
    :There you have it ladies and gentlemen, mighty Mouse is the Goat
    :Have you seen Ronda's hands these days? wooooh
    :pac::pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    joe pretends hes a big fan of conor but its obvious he dislikes him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    joe pretends hes a big fan of conor but its obvious he dislikes him.

    I don't get how


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I don't get how




    if you listen to his podcasts enough you will get what im saying.


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