Dublin routes news and general chat

Tenger · 05-03-2019 1:09am

Conor84 wrote: »

Any idea on the reason for that? Delays with delivery of the new A321s or poor bookings or something else. I know there had been a few changes to the planned schedule of this.

Saw it posted on Facebook earlier, EI published a statement on their website that it was solely due to delayed delivery of aircraft. No mention of which aircraft but it’s very obviously the A321LR as that was due to start on July 1st and the amended schedule are all current B757/future A321LR routes.

IMO it very much looks like it’s a longer delay than a couple of weeks/months.
August 2019 launch pushed backed until “Summer 2020”, my guess that means April/May at the earliest?

L1011 · 05-03-2019 8:59am

Loganair to Carlisle not mentioned as far as I can see. Don't see it working unless they agree a deal to sell onward connections

Noxegon · 05-03-2019 11:36am

kevinandrew wrote: »

There is potential with the A321LR, it could be the right size for an O&D based Dubai route or even Doha in partnership with Qatar to complement their operation. Question is, could that A321LR make more money across the Atlantic or down to the Gulf?

I can’t imagine anyone in their right mind choosing EI over EK for a flight to DXB.

mmclo · 05-03-2019 10:57pm

embraer170 wrote: »

I don't believe this is accurate. You should get a Schengen visa from the country where you expect to stay the longest. Your initial point of entry is not relevant.

Certainly on Eurostar the checks in St Pancras are French even if you are going to Netherlands or Belgium even if it’s not identical situation

Van.Bosch · 07-03-2019 10:26am

TK seem to be upguaging the afternoon flight to Istanbul to an A321 from May, the first flight seems to be changing to a Max9.

Marcusm · 08-03-2019 12:10am

mmclo wrote: »

Certainly on Eurostar the checks in St Pancras are French even if you are going to Netherlands or Belgium even if it’s not identical situation

That’s because you enter France first.

Idbatterim · 13-03-2019 1:49pm

US to expand pre-clearance facilities at Dublin, Shannon airports

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/us-to-expand-pre-clearance-facilities-at-dublin-shannon-airports-1.3823238?mode=amp

IQO · 13-03-2019 1:54pm

https://twitter.com/NorwegianUKI/status/1105811116918276098

Good news, also a good chance they'll put on extra sales to fill the extra seats.

Idbatterim · 13-03-2019 2:22pm

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/new-february-record-at-dublin-airport

Passenger numbers up 9% in February...

L1011 · 13-03-2019 2:26pm

IQO wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NorwegianUKI/status/1105811116918276098

Good news, also a good chance they'll put on extra sales to fill the extra seats.

They're merging PVD and SWF so there won't be that many extra seats.

ongarboy · 13-03-2019 4:14pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/new-february-record-at-dublin-airport

Passenger numbers up 9% in February...

Is the Asia/Africa/Rest of World increase of just 2% since last year not a little underwhelming considering Cathay Pacific and Hainan have both launched services since and are included in the Feb 2019 figures? Is the withdrawal of Ethiopian LAX services the main factor here for such a modest increase?

Shn99 · 13-03-2019 5:33pm

IQO wrote: »

also a good chance they'll put on extra sales to fill the extra seats.

No there isn’t, PVD pax will also be on that flight and bussed to PVD as stated above and all Irish TATL Norwegian routes have been taken off sale up until May 1st and prices for May are extortionate to discourage booking.

Tenger · 13-03-2019 5:41pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Is the Asia/Africa/Rest of World increase of just 2% since last year not a little underwhelming considering Cathay Pacific and Hainan have both launched services since and are included in the Feb 2019 figures? Is the withdrawal of Ethiopian LAX services the main factor here for such a modest increase?

I’m assuming that the existing EY, EK and QR services make up the other % for those regions.

sandbelter · 15-03-2019 11:43pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Is the Asia/Africa/Rest of World increase of just 2% since last year not a little underwhelming considering Cathay Pacific and Hainan have both launched services since and are included in the Feb 2019 figures? Is the withdrawal of Ethiopian LAX services the main factor here for such a modest increase?

Alternatively, if Aeroflot is doing as well as rumored, they could be soaking up some of the growth......assuming Russia is considered part of Europe in the stats that is.

Shn99 · 16-03-2019 12:08am

Billund with FR for W19
https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-launches-new-billund-route-to-dublin/?market=da

Van.Bosch · 16-03-2019 9:43am

sandbelter wrote: »

Alternatively, if Aeroflot is doing as well as rumored, they could be soaking up some of the growth......assuming Russia is considered part of Europe in the stats that is.

Any insight into what routes people are connecting onto after Moscow?

trellheim · 16-03-2019 12:46pm

Are Delta going back on ATL for the summer ? If so anyone know when it starts

Jacovs · 16-03-2019 12:50pm

trellheim wrote: »

Are Delta going back on ATL for the summer ? If so anyone know when it starts

Delta ATL and BOS both starting again 31 March.

cson · 16-03-2019 6:02pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Any insight into what routes people are connecting onto after Moscow?

Also interested in what's driving this route.

jamo2oo9 · 16-03-2019 6:13pm

cson wrote: »

Also interested in what's driving this route.

Cheap flights to Asia. Finnair, Aeroflot, Hainan and many more are offering cheap flights to Asia with stopovers for as little as 400 quid even during the high season.

Slashermcguirk · 22-03-2019 10:58am

Does anyone know how the Dublin direct flights to Asia are doing (Hong Kong, Beijing and Shenzhen). I know the latter is only very recent so probably too early to tell. I know that Cathay Pacific had said in the early days that the demand for flights was really encouraging. It would be great to see these flights do well. I suppose the fact that these flights are still going a year later suggests they are doing well

I was just chatting to a friend who has used the Dublin Seattle flight a few times and said those flights were all full, great to hear. It will be interesting to see what the next direct flights to North America will be. Its just incredible to look at the list of arrivals into Dublin airport early each morning, there must be about 20-30 flights coming in from USA alone.

The growth of Dublin Airport is hugely impressive

Idbatterim · 22-03-2019 11:03am

Are delta the only carrier to Atlanta? That might be a potential one for Aer Lingus? Does the a321 lr have the range for it ?

Tenger · 22-03-2019 12:09pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Are delta the only carrier to Atlanta? That might be a potential one for Aer Lingus? Does the a321 lr have the range for it ?

ATL is Delta's homebase. Cant see EI trying to launch that. It would be similar to Easyjet moving into Dublin.
Aer Lingus rely a lot on onward connections to keep their network close to capacity. Option via ATL would be limited as AA and UA dont have a large network ex-ATL/

WishUWereHere · 22-03-2019 1:06pm

Tenger wrote: »

ATL is Delta's homebase. Cant see EI trying to launch that. It would be similar to Easyjet moving into Dublin.
Aer Lingus rely a lot on onward connections to keep their network close to capacity. Option via ATL would be limited as AA and UA dont have a large network ex-ATL/

Would this also be the reason EI never ventured into Dallas? Personally I think they missed a trick there, but reading what You say also makes sense.

Tenger · 22-03-2019 2:23pm

WishUWereHere wrote: »

Would this also be the reason EI never ventured into Dallas? Personally I think they missed a trick there, but reading what You say also makes sense.

Dallas is an American Airlines hub.
But its less a competition than an issue of launching coastal routes first as they have a better return on investment.
Im sure DFW is on the EI shortlist of possible new routes to happen over the next 3 years.
Along with Denver, Cleveland, Houston, Cincinanti, Vancouver.

x567 · 22-03-2019 5:33pm

Tenger wrote: »

Along with Denver, Cleveland, Houston, Cincinanti, Vancouver.

Cleveland could be an interesting one for traffic connecting through Dublin. Had to go there recently and was surprised that it doesn't seem to have any year-round routes to Europe.

Noxegon · 22-03-2019 8:24pm

Tenger wrote: »

Dallas is an American Airlines hub.
But its less a competition than an issue of launching coastal routes first as they have a better return on investment.
Im sure DFW is on the EI shortlist of possible new routes to happen over the next 3 years.
Along with Denver, Cleveland, Houston, Cincinanti, Vancouver.

I have to go to AUS a few times each year. I'll take the nearest non-stop service over a LHR connection (be that DFW or IAH) any day of the week.

liiga · 22-03-2019 10:44pm

Which airline would do better if they came to Dublin easyjet or wizzair ?

L1011 · 22-03-2019 11:33pm

Easyjet have the better passenger experience. Neither is likely to after their clashes with Ryanair at other Irish airports.

Marcusm · 23-03-2019 12:12am

Tenger wrote: »

Dallas is an American Airlines hub.
But its less a competition than an issue of launching coastal routes first as they have a better return on investment.
Im sure DFW is on the EI shortlist of possible new routes to happen over the next 3 years.
Along with Denver, Cleveland, Houston, Cincinanti, Vancouver.

Isn’t AA starting DFW-DUB in June. I seem to recall they announced, a dropping of their PHL route and EI’s commencement of PHL route at the same time. EI will join the AA-AY-BA-IB joint business arrangement for transatlantic when US competition clearance comes through. Under that arrangement, all routes are pooled. Can’t see them “competing” directly with AA when they are sharing revenues. It might be picked up by EI though. Still fon’t Understand how MIA doesn’t get interconnected with AA Caribbean and LatAm flights. That’s an AA strength and would underpin MIA route for EI.

kevinandrew · 24-03-2019 3:08am

liiga wrote: »

Which airline would do better if they came to Dublin easyjet or wizzair ?

Wizz Air. It could probably go toe-to-toe with Ryanair quite easily on Central and Eastern European routes. The airline has evolved considerably since its last venture into the Irish market at Cork, it actually did reasonably well until Ryanair's targeted onslaught. Ryanair could of course repeat the same strategy of route duplication and fare dumping but it isn't as likely, the appetite for such manoeuvres isn't as strong as it used to be with the board.

Wizz's arrival would probably see zero response from Aer Lingus as well, so long as they focus on central and eastern Europe, somewhere Aer Lingus happily concedes to Ryanair whereas an Easyjet arrival is more likely to trigger Aer Lingus' defence mode in addition to Ryanair's attack mode; an unintended but formidable alliance.

LoonyLovegood · 24-03-2019 9:15am

Jacovs wrote: »

Delta ATL and BOS both starting again 31 March.

That's very early for BOS, it started May 26th last year. Delighted to see, I was on it a few times and it was always full, it's good having competition there!

mel.b · 24-03-2019 10:13pm

Slashermcguirk wrote: »

Does anyone know how the Dublin direct flights to Asia are doing (Hong Kong, Beijing and Shenzhen). I know the latter is only very recent so probably too early to tell. I know that Cathay Pacific had said in the early days that the demand for flights was really encouraging. It would be great to see these flights do well. I suppose the fact that these flights are still going a year later suggests they are doing well

The growth of Dublin Airport is hugely impressive

I’d be interested to know this as well. I have a cathay pacific flight booked from DUB in early Sept.

mx5ire · 24-03-2019 10:25pm

mel.b wrote: »

I’d be interested to know this as well. I have a cathay pacific flight booked from DUB in early Sept.

I'm travelling on that flight in 2.5 weeks - so i can pass on what i see.

Jamie2k9 · 25-03-2019 12:11am

liiga wrote: »

Which airline would do better if they came to Dublin easyjet or wizzair ?

Its depends on so much more than which airline is better to compete with FR. out of DUB. Only thing that is certain is time and money is needed. FR do back down such as UK domestic routes but remember it's all APD fault even though Easyjet pay it as well...

I’d be interested to know this as well. I have a cathay pacific flight booked from DUB in early Sept.

CX are doing well on loads.

Conflats · 25-03-2019 7:47am

Marcusm wrote:

Isnâ€™t AA starting DFW-DUB in June. I seem to recall they announced, a dropping of their PHL route and EIâ€™s commencement of PHL route at the same time. EI will join the AA-AY-BA-IB joint business arrangement for transatlantic when US competition clearance comes through. Under that arrangement, all routes are pooled. Canâ€™t see them â€œcompetingâ€ directly with AA when they are sharing revenues. It might be picked up by EI though. Still fonâ€™t Understand how MIA doesnâ€™t get interconnected with AA Caribbean and LatAm flights. Thatâ€™s an AA strength and would underpin MIA route for EI.

AA dropped the JFK route this year, PHL won't be dropped as its their main hub for tatl these days.

I think an issue with Miami and connections is the need to have a esta in place to transit whereas if you go through another non USA airport you won't require one. I could be wrong on this though

ongarboy · 26-03-2019 1:09pm

https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/dublin-airport-announces-new-route-to-aalborg-in-denmark-913366.html

Great Dane Airlines launch new route.

Tabnabs · 26-03-2019 1:31pm

ongarboy wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/dublin-airport-announces-new-route-to-aalborg-in-denmark-913366.html

Great Dane Airlines launch new route.

Twice weekly (Tue,Fri), starting June. A typical return flight costing about €200, so standard Scandinavian airline prices...

Website all in Danish.

https://greatdaneairlines.dk/

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 26-03-2019 1:34pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Twice weekly (Tue,Fri), starting June. A typical return flight costing about €200, so standard Scandinavian airline prices...

Website all in Danish.

https://greatdaneairlines.dk/

Would love to try them but those prices are outrageous. Shame.

I've flown with SAS in the past from Oslo to Dublin for around €30.

Nijmegen · 26-03-2019 1:43pm

I find Google flights to be the best tool for finding the cheap deals. You can get to Scandinavia for ~100 or less if you get the timing right, even for weekend breaks. Aalborg strikes me as a very niche destination. Not really well known as a holiday spot, a 4 hour drive to Copenhagen so it's not even a Ryanair style "Munich (Croatia)" type gig. Either there's a lot of industry there, a lot of north Danes living in Ireland, or a marketing campaign to run on the beaches of the Baltic

VG31 · 27-03-2019 5:40pm

Here are some estimated load factors for new routes from Dublin based on CSO 2018 figures. This is just my own estimates so may not be entirely accurate due to flight cancellations, possible extra flights etc.

Aeroflot SVO (This is assuming the A320 used is in the 140 seats configuration rather than the 158. SeatGuru indicates that it's the 140 seat version)
October 2018: 49%
November 2018: 39%
December 2018: 66%

Cathay Pacific HKG
June 2018: 83%
July 2018: 93%
August 2018: 92%
September 2018: 77%
October 2018: 73%
November 2018: 62%
December 2018: 75%

Croatia Airlines ZAG
May 2018: 77%
June 2018: 81%
July 2018: 88%
August 2018: 88%
September 2018: 78%
October 2018: 69%

Unfortunately the loads for Hainan to PEK were too difficult to calculate due to the variety of aircraft used on the route and the Edinburgh stopover. But in general the loads appeared to be in the 30/40s.

cson · 27-03-2019 7:35pm

Impressive loads from CX considering its an A350 they're running.

liiga · 28-03-2019 1:47am

Great loads on Aeroflot

Hurrache · 28-03-2019 4:32pm

Marcusm wrote: »

a dropping of their PHL route

Odd they'd drop their Philadelphia route as Philadelphia is a big hub for them, and the last time I flew there I flew with them on a midweek flight and the A330 was full.

EICVD · 28-03-2019 6:24pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Odd they'd drop their Philadelphia route as Philadelphia is a big hub for them, and the last time I flew there I flew with them on a midweek flight and the A330 was full.

They’re not dropping PHL, it’s JFK they’re dropping

cson · 28-03-2019 7:14pm

Unusual to drop JFK but I'd imagine the decision came from a combination of pretty intense competition ex NYC and their ability to route people via PHL, CLT and now DFW if coming from west coast.

They also had the ****tiest product ex NYC of any legacy carrier, old domestic 757s on the route.

john boye · 28-03-2019 8:39pm

AA have gradually been reducing their European network from JFK the last few years. Guess they see PHL as their main Eastern hub.

Jamie2k9 · 28-03-2019 10:27pm

cson wrote: »

Unusual to drop JFK but I'd imagine the decision came from a combination of pretty intense competition ex NYC and their ability to route people via PHL, CLT and now DFW if coming from west coast.

They also had the ****tiest product ex NYC of any legacy carrier, old domestic 757s on the route.

DUB-JFK only happened because they dropped BRU-JFK and options for the B752 were limited. It was an easy route to make money on but they were always in a weak position so not a major surprise it was dropped.

basill · 29-03-2019 11:47am

With the JV soon to be signed off perhaps they can redeploy the airframes on higher yielding routes and leave AL to it.

Jamie2k9 · 30-03-2019 11:28am

Norwegian are cancelled there HEL route.

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