The Offseason 2019

ButtersSuki · 05-07-2019 10:47am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Nah, he's going to the Knicks.......:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

I know I said that as a joke, but the Knicks are the team with the most cap space in 2 years.....when Giannis will be a FA.

It’s the Knicks, so they’ll most likely balls it up anyway.....

ButtersSuki · 05-07-2019 10:54am

I think it was Hitch who said he agreed with not offering KD the Max from the Knicks perspective.

I’ve sat on this for a week. I have to agree. If you’re looking at this coldly from a medical/sports science perspective, it’s too risky given height, age, type of injury, injury history etc.

The Knicks are taking a lot of sh*t on this but long term it will likely prove to be a shrewd move. The problem they have is they appear to have had (as usual) no Plan B. The strategic thinking there seems to be non-existent or a mess, and the “everyone should want to play for the Knicks at the Mecca” line spouted by Dolan doesn’t cut it in today’s world.

This could all of course be wrong and Durant could defy medical thinking and return at 100% or close to it, but I don’t see it happening like that, sadly.

Hitch2222 · 05-07-2019 12:55pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I think it was Hitch who said he agreed with not offering KD the Max from the Knicks perspective.

I’ve sat on this for a week. I have to agree. If you’re looking at this coldly from a medical/sports science perspective, it’s too risky given height, age, type of injury, injury history etc.

The Knicks are taking a lot of sh*t on this but long term it will likely prove to be a shrewd move. The problem they have is they appear to have had (as usual) no Plan B. The strategic thinking there seems to be non-existent or a mess, and the “everyone should want to play for the Knicks at the Mecca” line spouted by Dolan doesn’t cut it in today’s world.

This could all of course be wrong and Durant could defy medical thinking and return at 100% or close to it, but I don’t see it happening like that, sadly.

I agree as I said before but my only caveat would be the that outside of basketball, getting Durant could do even more for the Knicks than being on the floor.

It's the ability to generate revenue, recruit other players and settle fans who are incredibly dissatisfied and disillusioned with some of Dolans decisions.

From a purely basketball decision over the length of the contract, imo it was correct but for the overall benefit of the organisation moving forward and their ability to reestablish themselves then I'm not 100% sure. Time will tell

LuckyLloyd · 05-07-2019 1:02pm

I said it first

Hitch2222 · 05-07-2019 1:07pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I said it first

Obv.

That's where I get all my good ideas

ButtersSuki · 05-07-2019 6:59pm

Leonard’s taking the p*ss at this stage. For a fella who doesn’t want attention by not making a decision he’s shining the media spotlight fully on himself, and given that all the other big names are gone, it’s sllost solely on him at this stage. Given it’s him though there’s a chance he’s completely unaware....:pac:

Hitch2222 · 05-07-2019 8:27pm

Most highly anticipated preseason game in NBA history tonight?

All the haters going to be raging when they see the Knicks are favs for the preseason :cool:

Angliru · 05-07-2019 8:50pm

Some tickets going for nearly a thousand dollars.

Angliru · 05-07-2019 9:09pm

Kawhi not deciding today it seems. Stolen from Reddit, absolutely fascinating and I hope in a way it happens just for the **** show

1) Anthony Davis, Solomon Hill, Jordan Bone and 3 future second round picks back to New Orleans

2) Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, Mo Wagner, Jemerrio Jones, Isaac Bonga, DeAndre Hunter, and all future picks back to the Lakers

3) Miles Plumlee, Jaxson Hayes, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Marcos Louzada Silva back to Atlanta

4) Mike Conley, Jevon Carter and Chandler Parsons back to Memphis

5) JJ Reddick remains a free agent (Pelicans no longer have space to sign him)

6) Kyle Korver, Jae Crowder, Derrick Favours, Brandon Clarke and all future picks back to Utah

7) Andre Iguodala (acquired using trade exception created in Mike Conley trade) and the future picks traded with him back to Golden State

8) D'Angelo Russell back to Brooklyn

9) Josh Jackson back to Phoenix along with DeAnthony Melton + future second rounders

10) PHX no longer has cap room to sign Ricky Rubio making him an unrestricted free agent again

11) 1.1 million back to Washington

That's what happens if this trade falls apart. If the trade has to wait for Kawhi, the trade is waiting for Kawhi. Adam Silver will not allow this to happen as it ruins the offseason of nearly a third of the league.

kmart6 · 05-07-2019 9:44pm

What trade are all those linked to?

Hitch2222 · 05-07-2019 10:05pm

kmart6 wrote: »

What trade are all those linked to?

AD trade and it's implications of being decided by July 6th otherwise the Lakers cap changes

kmart6 · 05-07-2019 10:10pm

Just don't get why it's being linked to the Kawhi, has nothing to do with his FA decision, anyway that trade is happening, so all irrelevant.

Angliru · 05-07-2019 10:13pm

Cap space. Kawhi has to be officially signed before the AD trade is official since the Lakers are taking on more salary than they are giving up with the trade. Then all of that snowballs into other team's interests.

LuckyLloyd · 05-07-2019 10:20pm

Angliru wrote: »

Cap space. Kawhi has to be officially signed before the AD trade is official since the Lakers are taking on more salary than they are giving up with the trade. Then all of that snowballs into other team's interests.

That is no longer correct. The Reddit poster has confused a few things.

simongurnick · 05-07-2019 10:50pm

At this point its clear as day noone has a clue. Carter saying we would hear today, now backtracking. Woj saying july 4. Also saying he wants to pair up with butler and then kd. These dudes are just throwing crap at the wall

Carcharodon · 06-07-2019 6:50am

Hitch2222 wrote: »

I agree as I said before but my only caveat would be the that outside of basketball, getting Durant could do even more for the Knicks than being on the floor.

It's the ability to generate revenue, recruit other players and settle fans who are incredibly dissatisfied and disillusioned with some of Dolans decisions.

From a purely basketball decision over the length of the contract, imo it was correct but for the overall benefit of the organisation moving forward and their ability to reestablish themselves then I'm not 100% sure. Time will tell

I agree with you and Butters, Durant was at his peak and may of stayed there for a few more years, this injury has sped up the downward trajectory that hits every player. I think he has a decent chance of coming back pretty solid, he is not your typical 7 ft player, he think his slight frame and wide skill set that doesn’t relay on too much athleticism will help him get back to a high level(but what do I know)
I just hate the fact that it’s like the Knicks shunned him, that circus doesn’t know what it’s doing

Big aftershock from the earthquake at game tonight, it got suspended, only experienced a few small ones but it’s a weird feeling, wouldn’t like to be in a crowded stadium if a big one hit

Osmosis Jones · 06-07-2019 7:02am

Kawhi signing with the Clippers and Paul George being traded there as the Thunder seem to be blowing it up all announced within the last 10 minutes.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 7:22am

The most exciting and open season ever awaits

Carcharodon · 06-07-2019 7:22am

Originally Posted by Always Tired View Post
Kawhi will stay in Toronto I'll give anyone who wants to back otherwise 5/1

Carcharodon wrote: »

I think he will stay put I like the odds, I’ll throw away $100

You can donate my winnings to my favorite charity, me !

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 7:31am

Danny Green signing with the Lakers it seems. Great pickup for them. They will sign a number of guys in the next few hours imo.

ButtersSuki · 06-07-2019 7:42am

Not many were still giving the Clippers a chance, most commentators were saying Toronto or Lakers.

Anyone have the details on the George trade? Woj is saying “a record number of picks”, but no detail.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 7:45am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Not many were still giving the Clippers a chance, most commentators were saying Toronto or Lakers.

Anyone have the details on the George trade? Woj is saying “a record number of picks”, but no detail.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147385617015291909?s=21

Excellent deal for the Thunder

Osmosis Jones · 06-07-2019 7:45am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Not many were still giving the Clippers a chance, most commentators were saying Toronto or Lakers.

Anyone have the details on the George trade? Woj is saying “a record number of picks”, but no detail.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147385617015291909

The Clippers are sending the Thunder four unprotected first-round picks, one protected first-round pick and two pick swaps, league sources tell ESPN. Those picks go to OKC with Gallinari and SGA.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 7:49am

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147390491312500736?s=21

I would have said before the offseason that the Lakers should have been looking to get Green as a perfect pairing with LeBron and AD, irrespective of anything else.

leggo · 06-07-2019 7:55am

Woke up and checked my phone and misread it as Kawhi and PG going to the Lakers. Got seriously pissed until I checked out this thread to figure out how they made the cap space work. Awesome for the Clippers though, a Lakers/Clippers Western Conference Finals would be unreal.

kmart6 · 06-07-2019 7:59am

That George trade has surprised me, even more so that it was kept quiet. Another player that was supposed to join the Lakers gone elsewhere.

Staples Center is going to see some basketball over the next few years.

ButtersSuki · 06-07-2019 8:02am

Does the fact that SGA is on his way to OKC mean Westbrook could be in play?
5 firsts and two pick swaps on top of Gallo and SGA is some haul.

Osmosis Jones · 06-07-2019 8:06am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Does the fact that SGA is on his way to OKC mean Westbrook could be in play?
5 firsts and two pick swaps on top of Gallo and SGA is some haul.

I can't see why they'd keep Westbrook now regardless of SGA, aside from sentimentality, though the question is... is there actually a market for Russell Westbrook on a contract that sees him making around $42m a year for the next 4 seasons?

kmart6 · 06-07-2019 8:10am

Huge money for any team to take on with Westbrook a d the value isn't really there, hes not going to deliver a championship.

Can the Knicks afford to take him?:P

Osmosis Jones · 06-07-2019 8:14am

kmart6 wrote: »

Huge money for any team to take on with Westbrook a d the value isn't really there, hes not going to deliver a championship.

Can the Knicks afford to take him?:P

I'm shocked (well not really because it's the Knicks) that the Knicks decided to just fill their roster with whoever they could find on 1-2 year contracts instead of offering to take on terrible contracts (Wiggins, Chris Paul, Wall) for a tonne of draft picks.

ButtersSuki · 06-07-2019 8:17am

kmart6 wrote: »

Huge money for any team to take on with Westbrook a d the value isn't really there, hes not going to deliver a championship.

Can the Knicks afford to take him?:P

LeBron is sitting with Palinka and a calculator as we speak.....

A swap with Houston for Chris Paul and assets?

Osmosis Jones · 06-07-2019 8:22am

Can't imagine AD is too happy right now, waives his $4m bonus and they end up using it to re-sign Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and JaVale McGee

5star02707 · 06-07-2019 8:23am

PG13 & Kawhi

ButtersSuki · 06-07-2019 8:28am

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Can't imagine AD is too happy right now, waives his $4m bonus and they end up using it to re-sign Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and JaVale McGee

He’s being played by Rich Paul and LeBron.....

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 8:35am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

He’s being played by Rich Paul and LeBron.....

He's not being played, what a silly statement

kmart6 · 06-07-2019 8:35am

Wouldn't be ecstatic about the resigning of those two but McGee played decently last season and gelled well, they need some element of a big man and they definitely weren't taking on Howard, see he's gone to the Grizzlies. KCP was painful at times, was dealing with that case that didn't allow with the leave California, can be a serious scorer and with LBJ and AD creating more space for him it could be ideal.

Can see some logic in keeping the 2 of them as they have a chemistry with LBJ and Kuzma, who both know the can play with them. Takes away the hassle of trying to incorporate another 2 new players.

The $4m is irrelevant here, AD practically said he didn't care about it, just want to win.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 8:39am

Rondo?
Green
LeBron
AD
Boogie?

Kuzma
KCP?
McGee?
Dudley
Daniels
Caruso?

Something like that could work. JR probably going to come via buyout and some other options in that market also to give them more shooting before the playoffs.

kmart6 · 06-07-2019 8:44am

Really hope they don't go for Smith, he's such an idiot.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Iggy, looked like the buyout was on, Grizzlies must have got word someone was interested in trading for him to put a stop to the talk of it.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 8:57am

Korver may also be available in buyout, could be useful for the Lakers as a shooter too

Legion. · 06-07-2019 9:38am

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

I can't see why they'd keep Westbrook now regardless of SGA, aside from sentimentality, though the question is... is there actually a market for Russell Westbrook on a contract that sees him making around $42m a year for the next 4 seasons?

Think its almost more likely they package picks and Steven Adams and try to retool.

Also re Kawhi: Disappointed hes gone but totally understand it. Wants to live in LA and created a good situation for himself. Cant fault that. Part of me is excited to just enjoy next season without the angst and dread of contention and just enjoy the ride.

ButtersSuki · 06-07-2019 9:44am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

He's not being played, what a silly statement

Why is it silly?

If you’re AD’s agent your responsibility is to the player. There’s an inherent conflict in the fact that Paul is LeBron’s agent too, and that’s before we talk about about LeBron’s relationship with/ownership of Klutch. Do you honestly believe Paul doesn’t serve LeBron first, and everyone else in the Klutch stable afterwards?

There’s not another agent out there who’d waive the $4m.

AD has repeatedly shown himself to be naive, easily led and highly impressionable. “Played” might be overstating it, but he’s being very much led by LeBton as the chessmaster via Paul.

And if they win this year (which I don’t think they will btw) it’ll be all LeBron as usual, and if they lose it’ll be everyone else’s fault. As usual....

ButtersSuki · 06-07-2019 9:47am

Glad Kawhi didn’t go to the Lakers, the league as a whole will be the most competitive it’s been in years - actually possibly ever - as a result.

Angliru · 06-07-2019 10:00am

Kawhi is a ****ing G. How the **** did he manage to get teams to keep all of this under wraps, manage to recruit PG13 and get Clippers to bend over backwards to make it happen without any leaks. Guess it was true last year when he said he didn't want to be playing second fiddle to LeBron at the Lakers. The league is going to be insanely exciting now, such a nice balance throughout.

Is Westbrook next to leave?

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 10:08am

https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/1146779626171068416

A reminder - in the event you needed one - that the media don't know **** and are guessing the whole time. So much nonsense talked up and down sports talk shows and podcasts.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 10:12am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Why is it silly?

If you’re AD’s agent your responsibility is to the player. There’s an inherent conflict in the fact that Paul is LeBron’s agent too, and that’s before we talk about about LeBron’s relationship with/ownership of Klutch. Do you honestly believe Paul doesn’t serve LeBron first, and everyone else in the Klutch stable afterwards?

There’s not another agent out there who’d waive the $4m.

AD has repeatedly shown himself to be naive, easily led and highly impressionable. “Played” might be overstating it, but he’s being very much led by LeBton as the chessmaster via Paul.

And if they win this year (which I don’t think they will btw) it’ll be all LeBron as usual, and if they lose it’ll be everyone else’s fault. As usual....

Sorry, I don't hate LeBron like you so I find this whole post really weird. AD was in New Orleans and due to spend another year out of the playoffs. He's now on a side that has a chance to compete and waiving the $4m increased their chances. And his future is still in his hands next year. All very obvious.

The hatersphere is a strange place tbh.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 10:19am

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1147399443215335424

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1147404085378703361

KCP, 2 years, $16m
McGee, 2 years, $8.2m, player option the second year

Personally feel KCP / Green / LeBron / AD / McGee is a pretty good core. KCP had stuff going on last year and I still think he's a very talented athlete. McGee played well imo too.

ButtersSuki · 06-07-2019 10:46am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Sorry, I don't hate LeBron like you so I find this whole post really weird. AD was in New Orleans and due to spend another year out of the playoffs. He's now on a side that has a chance to compete and waiving the $4m increased their chances. And his future is still in his hands next year. All very obvious.

The hatersphere is a strange place tbh.

Once again any criticism of LBJ is classed as hate by the fanboys.:rolleyes: I was more criticising Paul and Klutch but go ahead and take offence on LeBron’s behalf again why don’t you? No matter how many times I state that I don’t “hate” LeBron for some of you on here it’s taken as such if I don’t praise him 100% of the time. Ok....

It is nothing but a factual statement to say that Rich Paul’s No. 1 priority as an agent is LeBron James, not AD.

simongurnick · 06-07-2019 1:00pm

As a raptors fan...absolutely gutted.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 1:03pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Once again any criticism of LBJ is classed as hate by the fanboys.:rolleyes: I was more criticising Paul and Klutch but go ahead and take offence on LeBron’s behalf again why don’t you? No matter how many times I state that I don’t “hate” LeBron for some of you on here it’s taken as such if I don’t praise him 100% of the time. Ok....

It is nothing but a factual statement to say that Rich Paul’s No. 1 priority as an agent is LeBron James, not AD.

That final “factual statement” is a long way from saying he’s *playing* AD, which is the nonsense point you chose to start.

You should just own your dislike of LeBron, it’s okay. There are many of you out there.

LuckyLloyd · 06-07-2019 1:07pm

simongurnick wrote: »

As a raptors fan...absolutely gutted.

You got a title out of it, plenty to be positive about. I would personally take one title and a half decade rebuild over a decade of being good but not good enough.

The Offseason 2019

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