Changing Covid situation- how do you plan for 2021 races

bopperr · 30-04-2021 12:31pm

I read that texas 70.3 was a 'no spectator' event but in practical terms its impossible to prevent. Generally speaking though the recent easing has to been seen as a massive positive step in terms of events going ahead. It will just be a numbers thing now. What cap with there be on outdoor sporting events 200/500? Perhaps IM cork becomes an exception or a test event to see how larger events can work. 8000 in Wembley last week for a cup final.

griffin100 · 30-04-2021 1:27pm

A lot is going to depend on whether race organisers who are mostly club volunteers are willing to organise races that may haven significant restrictions in place and take responsibility for same.

Also reduced entry numbers doesn’t necessarily mean reduced race costs, so entry fees may rise.

You’d hope by august that any restrictions would be fairly minimal.

S_D · 30-04-2021 2:53pm

griffin100 wrote: »

A lot is going to depend on whether race organisers who are mostly club volunteers are willing to organise races that may haven significant restrictions in place and take responsibility for same.

Also reduced entry numbers doesn’t necessarily mean reduced race costs, so entry fees may rise.

You’d hope by august that any restrictions would be fairly minimal.

Fingers crossed I just wonder willl Ironman have to make decisions before July. Lots of costs involved etc and not a clear road map. I’m sure they’ll try everything and I know cork cc are very keen. Between them I hope they can figure it out

peter kern · 04-05-2021 11:57am

S_D wrote: »

Fingers crossed I just wonder willl Ironman have to make decisions before July. Lots of costs involved etc and not a clear road map. I’m sure they’ll try everything and I know cork cc are very keen. Between them I hope they can figure it out

fingers crossed is one way, having a plan b and c another way.
last year the made the official decision 45 days before the race and a race like portugal was cancelled at even shorter notice.
new zealand was postponed by 3 weeks i think with a 2 week notice. while ironman taiwan was cancelled in march and 2 weeks ago challenge had 6000 people racing at challenge taiwan.

RacoonQueen · 04-05-2021 9:40pm

They won't make a decision on Cork before mid-June or they won't announce the decision before then anyway.

Bertje14 · 05-05-2021 10:45am

Lets keep our fingers & toes crossed for some kind of race season this year.

Bertje14 · 05-05-2021 1:45pm

Well DCM is going virtual!!!

Jimmy Ten Bellies · 05-05-2021 1:53pm

Bertje14 wrote: »

Well DCM is going virtual!!!

Think they’re still hoping it’ll go ahead as planned, but have opened up the virtual race for those who haven’t secured a place.

tunney · 05-05-2021 2:23pm

Jimmy Ten Bellies wrote: »

Think they’re still hoping it’ll go ahead as planned, but have opened up the virtual race for those who haven’t secured a place.

And they have given certainty over the summer race series, which is always welcome.

S_D · 05-05-2021 2:30pm

Anyone get into Try Tyrone?

StaggerLee · 05-05-2021 2:47pm

S_D wrote: »

Anyone get into Try Tyrone?

Yep. Give some incentive to train (properly).
I’ve never done it, was told it’s flat :-)

Bertje14 · 05-05-2021 2:52pm

Jimmy Ten Bellies wrote: »

Think they’re still hoping it’ll go ahead as planned, but have opened up the virtual race for those who haven’t secured a place.

yeah only read that afterwards my bad

Bertje14 · 05-05-2021 2:52pm

StaggerLee wrote: »

Yep. Give some incentive to train (properly).
I’ve never done it, was told it’s flat :-)

I am in as well. Fairly flat alright.

Jim Gazebo · 12-05-2021 1:49am

I see quest Lough derg for September is off. Disappointing that we are at a stage that events can't even be confirmed for September. Thought we were a bit further down the road than that. I think I'll be heading north Myself for a few races this summer at this rate.

MayoSalmon · 13-05-2021 2:53pm

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

I see quest Lough derg for September is off. Disappointing that we are at a stage that events can't even be confirmed for September. Thought we were a bit further down the road than that. I think I'll be heading north Myself for a few races this summer at this rate.

Strange decision alright considering Electric Picnic are saying they see no reason why its not going to go ahead:p

S_D · 13-05-2021 3:35pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Strange decision alright considering Electric Picnic are saying they see no reason why its not going to go ahead:p

I seen that ha! If thats the talk...it bodes well for IM Cork!

S_D · 18-05-2021 7:10pm

seemingly an announcement due this week or early next re cork & its to be postponed until next year. Rumour mill in full swing today about it!

RacoonQueen · 18-05-2021 7:35pm

Vitoria just sent out confirmation today that it is 'rescheduled' to September and standard you can defer to 2022 either or take a voucher for another Spanish event until 2024. Can't see them announcing anything about Cork for another couple of weeks yet usually they do it after the refund window passes but I guess there probably isn't many who can avail of refunds now.

Dilbert75 · 20-05-2021 1:08pm

IM Cork deferred for this year.

Marty Bird · 20-05-2021 1:13pm

Such a shame was looking forward to it.

Bertje14 · 20-05-2021 3:50pm

Kilkee HOTW just got cancelled as well

Cona44 · 20-05-2021 4:04pm

I would love to plan for Hardman Killarney this year but with being on the waiting list, its impossible to know whether ill get an entry or not. I signed up to the waiting list a few months back so knowing my luck i will get offered an entry but wont be able to do it becuase ive signed up to another event

rodriquez · 20-05-2021 5:48pm

haven't heard anything about Sheephaven yet either - has anyone else?

RacoonQueen · 20-05-2021 10:19pm

Such a shame for the smaller, club races if they are cancelling already. I was going to come out of retirement for one day only and enter Dungarvan in Sept as it coincides with finishing college / birthday. Would have thought the smaller events would be able to go ahead but I guess Kilkee aint small and the cost of hosting a tri under TI rules maybe just not worth it.

niallo32 · 21-05-2021 10:34pm

rodriquez wrote: »

haven't heard anything about Sheephaven yet either - has anyone else?

Metalman (a week later than Sheephaven) was two days early so I'd say it's gone. I'd an entry to both

rodriquez · 22-05-2021 1:21pm

niallo32 wrote: »

Metalman (a week later than Sheephaven) was two days early so I'd say it's gone. I'd an entry to both

I suspect you're right - I contacted the race director the other day and he said a final decision will be made next week

Dilbert75 · 23-05-2021 2:29pm

niallo32 wrote: »

Metalman (a week later than Sheephaven) was two days early so I'd say it's gone. I'd an entry to both

Pushed to Aug 14th, according to Instagram

Bertje14 · 24-05-2021 3:18pm

With IM Cork gone I believe they pushed Metalman out to mid August. I thought it was 13th but coud be 14th.

I have entry for Sheephaven & Tyrone. i haven't heard anything about Sheephaven but with Kilkee gone I am not really holding a lot of hope.

If it gets cancelled I will see if I can pick up an entry to any other races. The time of being picking is gone.

Dilbert75 · 24-05-2021 8:11pm

Saturday 14th August

peter kern · 25-05-2021 11:24am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Such a shame for the smaller, club races if they are cancelling already. I was going to come out of retirement for one day only and enter Dungarvan in Sept as it coincides with finishing college / birthday. Would have thought the smaller events would be able to go ahead but I guess Kilkee aint small and the cost of hosting a tri under TI rules maybe just not worth it.

i guess you are not suggesting the 100 limit rule right now is imposed by ti ...
hardman events were run under ti rules last year.
i guess what we see is, that many clubs and who would blame them, dont want to play the game not to be sure if the race will happen, as gov regulations could change all the time.
at the same time you would think that the service industry in kilkee would be rather happy to have people in kilkee in september, i

Kurt Godelfish · 27-05-2021 8:27am

The Event Guidelines have just been published... and I'd imagine every RD looked at the wave guidelines, noticed Version 1.0, and calmly waits for Version 2.0 to be published.

Wave starts can include 80 athletes- rolling start with 15s between each athlete, and then 30mins between last athlete in Wave 1, and first athlete in Wave 2. That's 50mins before 81 athletes have even started... and the faster guys start at the front.

Good luck getting any road closures, safety kayaks, or marshals for those sort of timeframes.

BTH · 27-05-2021 8:38am

Ironman obviously finally doing the right thing. Received an email at 4am, they have refunded my entry fee.

tunney · 27-05-2021 9:51am

BTH wrote: »

Ironman obviously finally doing the right thing. Received an email at 4am, they have refunded my entry fee.

For which Ironman?

BTH · 27-05-2021 10:40am

tunney wrote: »

For which Ironman?

Aix en Provence 70.3 2020 originally.

Then transferred to the 2021 race.

Then changed to a voucher against any future French IM race.

Refund out of the blue last night.

tunney · 27-05-2021 10:43am

BTH wrote: »

Aix en Provence 70.3 2020 originally.

Then transferred to the 2021 race.

Then changed to a voucher against any future French IM race.

Refund out of the blue last night.

I did the same for IM Austria. No refund for me.

woody1 · 27-05-2021 11:10am

Kurt Godelfish wrote: »

The Event Guidelines have just been published... and I'd imagine every RD looked at the wave guidelines, noticed Version 1.0, and calmly waits for Version 2.0 to be published.

Wave starts can include 80 athletes- rolling start with 15s between each athlete, and then 30mins between last athlete in Wave 1, and first athlete in Wave 2. That's 50mins before 81 athletes have even started... and the faster guys start at the front.

Good luck getting any road closures, safety kayaks, or marshals for those sort of timeframes.

i see 2 provinces anounced today they wont be running their race this year, i expect a lot of other clubs not to do anything this year either ,

woody1 · 27-05-2021 11:17am

Kurt Godelfish wrote: »

The Event Guidelines have just been published... and I'd imagine every RD looked at the wave guidelines, noticed Version 1.0, and calmly waits for Version 2.0 to be published.

Wave starts can include 80 athletes- rolling start with 15s between each athlete, and then 30mins between last athlete in Wave 1, and first athlete in Wave 2. That's 50mins before 81 athletes have even started... and the faster guys start at the front.

Good luck getting any road closures, safety kayaks, or marshals for those sort of timeframes.

where did you see these kurt,was there a more detailed version sent out other than the one thats online

Kurt Godelfish · 27-05-2021 11:18am

woody1 wrote: »

i see 2 provinces anounced today they wont be running their race this year, i expect a lot of other clubs not to do anything this year either ,

Thats a shame, its a great race.

Pikeman in Wexford just announced they are moved to Sept 19th. Don't know if its connected, but no-one will want to host a race under those guidelines as they stand.

Kurt Godelfish · 27-05-2021 11:22am

woody1 wrote: »

where did you see these kurt,was there a more detailed version sent out other than the one thats online

Its in the guidelines document linked on their homepage

"In order to facilitate a maximum of more than 100 participants:
→ Maximum of 80 participants per wave.
→ Wave starts must be rolling starts with a minimum
of 15 seconds between participants.
→ Each wave must be separated by at least 30 mins between
the last participant starting in a given wave and the
first participant starting in the following wave. (This will greatly reduce the distribution of athletes on the course and in and around the finish / transition / recovery area).
→ EOC should segregate participants by estimated average speed and set the fastest wave off first."

woody1 · 27-05-2021 11:25am

thanks i see it now, we have a zoom club meeting later, be good to have the right info

peter kern · 27-05-2021 11:54am

Kurt Godelfish wrote: »

The Event Guidelines have just been published... and I'd imagine every RD looked at the wave guidelines, noticed Version 1.0, and calmly waits for Version 2.0 to be published.

Wave starts can include 80 athletes- rolling start with 15s between each athlete, and then 30mins between last athlete in Wave 1, and first athlete in Wave 2. That's 50mins before 81 athletes have even started... and the faster guys start at the front.

Good luck getting any road closures, safety kayaks, or marshals for those sort of timeframes.

kurt are you going to argue with yourself on boards

StaggerLee · 27-05-2021 1:26pm

Any update from Sheephaven?

Kurt Godelfish · 27-05-2021 8:28pm

peter kern wrote: »

kurt are you going to argue with yourself on boards

Now now Peter, we never argue with anyone who has an AG shirt!:D

What do you think of the wave proposals? I was hoping for something more pragmatic myself, thought the wave system could be utilised to keep everyone apart but effectively the 30mins break between waves means several staggered races on the day. Fine for athletes; not so good for Marshalls I would have thought.

EDit · 28-05-2021 6:29am

BTH wrote: »

Aix en Provence 70.3 2020 originally.

Then transferred to the 2021 race.

Then changed to a voucher against any future French IM race.

Refund out of the blue last night.

Was the refund for the race to your CC?

I got 2 emails this morning, one is related to a small refund of the medal engraving fees that it says is going to my CC, the other (also described as a refund) says it is refunded to “Credit Balance”, which i am assuming is the voucher. That said, there is nothing on my Active account about having any credit.

peter kern · 28-05-2021 8:29am

Kurt Godelfish wrote: »

Now now Peter, we never argue with anyone who has an AG shirt!:D

What do you think of the wave proposals? I was hoping for something more pragmatic myself, thought the wave system could be utilised to keep everyone apart but effectively the 30mins break between waves means several staggered races on the day. Fine for athletes; not so good for Marshalls I would have thought.

but better than no racing

so whats out there at the moement
austria running a race with i thin 1700 people you can only race with a corona test withn 72 hours before the race

germany had a race cancelled with 1000 people just after they thought they had gotten their permit. rule seems to be races can be hold if 7 day incidence rate is bellow 50 . the county with the biggest part of rate 3 weeks ahead of races had 46 and the other county that had some bike course had 55 both coming down permision was not granted
italy has races and there seems to be starts of 4 people with 5 sec gaps now i think thats the best way to do.

but again i dont see the irish way the worst way and i think we will be soon where we were last year and then i think at least in august we will be 500 people .

to me it seems a bit the current rule is a bit like when the teenager goes the first time to night club and is suppoesd to be back by 9 pm everybody knows this is not going to really happen but everybody feels good aobut it henceforth clear version 1 note .
i looked a bit around gaa clubs and the rules where definitely stretched ...
so i think things will be better than last year.

the thing is for instance in poland a lot of races go over 2.5 days
friday aquathon sat sprint and oly sunday half etc and that works ...
and i like this as long races dont overlap. same in france they do this a lot too and it works and of course ireland cant do it ... right ...

rodriquez · 28-05-2021 9:35am

StaggerLee wrote: »

Any update from Sheephaven?

updated on their facebook yesterday ... decision will be made early next week

Kurt Godelfish · 28-05-2021 9:40am

peter kern wrote: »

to me it seems a bit the current rule is a bit like when the teenager goes the first time to night club and is suppoesd to be back by 9 pm everybody knows this is not going to really happen but everybody feels good aobut it henceforth clear version 1 note .
i looked a bit around gaa clubs and the rules where definitely stretched ...
so i think things will be better than last year.

Good reply Peter, unfortunately I tend to have an AngloSaxon view when it comes to rules but I like your way of thinking better. Fingers crossed.

peter kern · 28-05-2021 10:13am

Kurt Godelfish wrote: »

Good reply Peter, unfortunately I tend to have an AngloSaxon view when it comes to rules but I like your way of thinking better. Fingers crossed.

do trump and johnson represent anglo saxon view of rules ...
you have to explain to me what you mean by that.

tunney · 28-05-2021 11:56am

peter kern wrote: »

do trump and johnson represent anglo saxon view of rules ...
you have to explain to me what you mean by that.

Yeah me too.
No clue what you mean kurt

Kurt Godelfish · 28-05-2021 12:02pm

tunney wrote: »

Yeah me too.
No clue what you mean kurt

AngloSaxon view on rules are more defined and rigid, and typically Irish views are that rules are there to be bend/broken/ignored.

I could have been clearer, was just back from a long early run.

Changing Covid situation- how do you plan for 2021 races

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