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The Tiger Woods Thread

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  • #152
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Frank Stranahan was another golf super athlete in the 1940s. He was a wealthy amateur.
    See wiki below
    "He brought his own weight-lifting equipment to tournaments.
    After he retired he ran 102 marathons."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Stranahan

    Fitness in golf did not start with Tiger Woods


  • #153
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    First Up wrote: »
    Nice story but the numbers playing golf in the US have declined from 30 million to 23 million since 2002 and the biggest decline is amongst under 35's - the category that should identify most with Tiger and the "modernity" he represents. Similar story in Ireland and UK.

    Exactly, Tiger brought the sport to a new level and the drop in golfing numbers mirror his 'decline'...


  • #154
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    diomed wrote: »
    I would say Gary Player was a super athlete.

    I would say Gary Player is a super athlete, not many people can score 11 years below their age in competitive golf like G did earlier this year...


  • #155
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    HighLine wrote: »
    Tiger's plane spotted at Augusta....

    http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/tiger-woods-plane-spotted-augusta-2015-masters

    Looks like we have a tourney after all !


  • #156
    joebloggs123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭joebloggs123


    His Retirement announced tomorrow


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  • #157
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    I'd love to see Tiger get the airtime playing good golf. Otherwise, the cut should come Thursday evening.


  • #158
    neckedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭neckedit


    Tiger to announce retirement on April 1st?? mmmm April fool anyone?


  • #159
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    neckedit wrote: »
    Tiger to announce retirement on April 1st?? mmmm April fool anyone?

    Seen that, early April fools I reckon too.


  • #160
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    Tiger's agent confirms that he did indeed play 18 holes at Augusta today

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2015/03/31/tiger-woods-masters-augusta-national/70744066/


  • #161
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,958 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    When I look at some of the posts above - for some strange reason I think of this



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  • #162
    First Up
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    slave1 wrote: »
    Exactly, Tiger brought the sport to a new level and the drop in golfing numbers mirror his 'decline'...

    A nice hypothesis, but one not supported by the evidence. Golfing numbers were in decline while Tiger's career was on the up.

    Even at the height of "Tiger mania" (1995-2000) recreational golf in the US expanded by only 7%, while recreational tennis grew by 29%. Golf expanded by about 3% between 1990 and 1995 before Tiger so his impact was hardly dramatic. And the numbers playing in the US was declining right through Tiger's peak years from 2001 - 2008.

    The increase in TV audiences and number of casual golf (i.e. Tiger) fans - as distinct from players - represents a commercial killing for sponsors (in which Tiger shared) but was not matched by an increase in players and especially "minorities". (The number of black kids taking up the game is statistically insignificant and there were more black golfers on the PGA tour in the 1960's and 1970's than during or since Tiger's peak.) So no "revolution" there.

    Yes there are socio-economic factors but attributing an explosion - or even a significant expansion - in golf because of Tiger is simply not true. The evidence - when properly analysed - points to a casual audience that enjoys watching someone they can identify with putting one over of on what they consider to be an uppity, exclusive activity. Many of his fans like Tiger precisely because they dislike golf.


  • #163
    pistol_75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭pistol_75


    So we all know he played 18 holes in Augusta yesterday. When do we think he makes an announcement on whether he will play?

    Sketchy reports on twitter that he chipped in on the 2nd hole but also that he had a few dodgy ones. I'm thinking he probably feels compelled to play because of what the tournament is but maybe deep down does not feel ready to return to action.

    I wouldn't be his biggest fan but would still like to see him tee it up. I don't think he has any chance of contending though, based on recent performances and how rusty he will be for tournament play.


  • #164
    Loire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Loire


    Slicemeister wrote: »
    I'd love to see Tiger get the airtime playing good golf. Otherwise, the cut should come Thursday evening.

    Just in time to switch over to the Beeb too ;)


  • #165
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,958 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    First Up wrote: »

    The increase in TV audiences and number of casual golf (i.e. Tiger) fans - as distinct from players - represents a commercial killing for sponsors (in which Tiger shared) but was not matched by an increase in players and especially "minorities". (The number of black kids taking up the game is statistically insignificant and there were more black golfers on the PGA tour in the 1960's and 1970's than during or since Tiger's peak.) So no "revolution" there.

    Just to be clear First Up - your not suggesting in any way Tiger had a negative impact in golf participation ?

    I agree with many points you are making - because - disappointingly, Tiger became almost more institutional than the institution itself. The opportunity to make a real cultural impact was lost in a way.

    But - you can't underestimate, him being black playing golf and on the cover of every important magazine and newspaper in the world. This was not only driven by his image and race - he was just brilliant too.

    It is important to reaffirm in the minds of kids - if you try hard enough at anything you will overcome anything. The early advertising line from Nike was this - dropped when the reality of success is enjoyed.



    Anyway.

    If there is an undertone here that - golf had no issue with image , was not viewed as elite and outdated.

    That is just wrong - and has been acknowledged by every important writer and organisation in Golf - up to the R&A.

    Not to mention - of less importance , I know and have seen this myself.


  • #166
    TheNap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 786 ✭✭✭TheNap


    http://uk.businessinsider.com/tiger-woods-shot-66-at-medalist-before-masters-2015-3?r=US


  • #167
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    TheNap wrote: »
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/tiger-woods-shot-66-at-medalist-before-masters-2015-3?r=US

    That is some practice format... might give it a go myself (when my course is quiet obviously).

    If that 66 is a true figure... that is massively impressive. Not suggesting for a second that he "is back" or anything of the sort...but that format including validation of putts sounds tough as fook.
    "The best example of the progress Tiger made over the last two-to-three weeks is the worst-ball 66 he shot at Medalist Golf Club. That's where he takes the worst of two drives, the worst of the two approach shots, the putt that's either furthest away from the hole or the chip that's furthest away from the hole. And then if he makes birdie he has to validate. So if he makes a 10-footer for birdie he has to make another 10-footer for birdie. To go around that golf course, shoot six under in those conditions where you can't hide, obviously, you can't hide a weakness, and you think about the course record he shot there — 62 in 2011 — this round could conceivably be considered better."

    Read more: http://uk.businessinsider.com/tiger-woods-shot-66-at-medalist-before-masters-2015-3?r=US#ixzz3W3LgIixi


  • #168
    Loire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Loire


    [QUOTE=FixdePitchmark;94916687



    [/QUOTE]

    The last 10 seconds of that ad, I could watch all day :cool:


  • #169
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,958 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Loire wrote: »
    The last 10 seconds of that ad, I could watch all day :cool:

    Even if I didn't like golf - it must be one of the best ads ever.

    Remember my brother - who hates every sport , saying to me "who is this lad Tiger Woods - is he good".
    All could could say was "He is amazing".


  • #170
    PARlance
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    HighLine wrote: »
    That is some practice format... might give it a go myself (when my course is quiet obviously).

    If that 66 is a true figure... that is massively impressive. Not suggesting for a second that he "is back" or anything of the sort...but that format including validation of putts sounds tough as fook.

    The article was posted very close to midnight last night, April Fools?
    This really is a stupid day.


  • #171
    kiers47
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    PARlance wrote: »
    The article was posted very close to midnight last night, April Fools?
    This really is a stupid day.

    Doubt it there is a video from the golf channel suggesting the same.


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  • #172
    First Up
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    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    Just to be clear First Up - your not suggesting in any way Tiger had a negative impact in golf participation ?

    I agree with many points you are making - because - disappointingly, Tiger became almost more institutional than the institution itself. The opportunity to make a real cultural impact was lost in a way.

    But - you can't underestimate, him being black playing golf and on the cover of every important magazine and newspaper in the world. This was not only driven by his image and race - he was just brilliant too.

    It is important to reaffirm in the minds of kids - if you try hard enough at anything you will overcome anything. The early advertising line from Nike was this - dropped when the reality of success is enjoyed.



    Anyway.

    If there is an undertone here that - golf had no issue with image , was not viewed as elite and outdated.

    That is just wrong - and has been acknowledged by every important writer and organisation in Golf - up to the R&A.

    Not to mention - of less importance , I know and have seen this myself.

    No, I am just challenging the widely expressed belief that he contributed more than he really has to the game itself.


  • #173
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Op here. I just listened to an interview on 2fm with Doug Ferguson. He said he was talking to P Harrington, he thought he would never see the day when the majority of tour professionals hope that Tiger Woods plays better. Like him or loath him, golf needs him because he excites the public like no other golfer including Rory. The young guys are brilliant but they do not excite, they are automatons who play the percentage shots instead of going for it like Tiger did at his best.

    How many of us would stay up late to watch Jordan Speith and Billy Hoeshall go head to head down the stretch? I bet more would forego a good night sleep to see Tiger play the last few holes, partly to see if he can win, partly to see if the other guy can handle the pressure. And therein lies the dilemma, do I root for Tiger because I like the way he plays or do I root for the other guy because I think Tiger is a twit. Being a sport, personality shouldn't come into it but when he has made an industry out of both his golfing ability and his image, it's hard to seperate the two.


  • #174
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    Such twiddle about the likes of Spieth or Horschel not taking on a low percentage shot. These guys are so good at that shot they make it look normal, well Spieth anyway.

    It's like the Grand National in here all the blinkers on.


  • #175
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Slicemeister wrote: »
    Such twiddle about the likes of Spieth or Horschel not taking on a low percentage shot. These guys are so good at that shot they make it look normal, well Spieth anyway.

    It's like the Grand National in here all the blinkers on.

    Ok, Jordan Speith has won a few tournaments over the last two years, give me an example of one shot that you went "wow, that shot was amazing", give me an example of one tournament that you thought " jeez that guy has something that no one else has" give me one example of an aspect of his game that separates him from the pack.

    A couple of years ago tiger played a shot from behind a tree, 200+ yards out, he drew the ball around the tree and when it landed on the right side of the green it spun 90 degrees left to finish a couple of feet from the hole. I couldn't imagine anyone else playing that shot.


  • #176
    stockdam
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    davo10 wrote: »
    How many of us would stay up late to watch Jordan Speith and Billy Hoeshall go head to head down the stretch? I bet more would forego a good night sleep to see Tiger play the last few holes, partly to see if he can win, partly to see if the other guy can handle the pressure.

    Let's talk Masters here. Since I was a kid I have watched every single one especially on Sunday night and I don't remember being disappointed. The Masters generally comes alive on the back 9 on Sunday. It doesn't matter if it's Woods or Larry Mize or Bubba Watson.........it's always good viewing. I just don't get this fixation with Woods. If he's good enough to be challenging on the back 9 on the final day then great but if he isn't then great as it will still be exciting. I won't be turning off until it's over no matter who is in contention and Woods or no Woods makes no difference to my enjoyment.


  • #177
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    davo10 wrote: »
    Ok, Jordan Speith has won a few tournaments over the last two years, give me an example of one shot that you went "wow, that shot was amazing", give me an example of one tournament that you thought " jeez that guy has something that no one else has" give me one example of an aspect of his game that separates him from the pack.


    Did he not chip in from a bunker on the last hole in regulation on his way to his first PGA Tour victory?
    Holes a 30 footer to win this year's Valspar in a playoff.


  • #178
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Slicemeister wrote: »
    Did he not chip in from a bunker on the last hole in regulation on his way to his first PGA Tour victory?
    Holes a 30 footer to win this year's Valspar in a playoff.

    All the elite players are good bunker players, thirty foot puts are as much luck as skill. What separates the top players from the pack is their ability to consistently hole puts from 10 feet or less.


  • #179
    Senecio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Senecio


    davo10 wrote: »
    Ok, Jordan Speith has won a few tournaments over the last two years, give me an example of one shot that you went "wow, that shot was amazing", give me an example of one tournament that you thought " jeez that guy has something that no one else has" give me one example of an aspect of his game that separates him from the pack.

    His final round 63 to win the Australian Open was simply the finest round of golf anyone has played in the last 2 years.


  • #180
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    stockdam wrote: »
    Let's talk Masters here. Since I was a kid I have watched every single one especially on Sunday night and I don't remember being disappointed. The Masters generally comes alive on the back 9 on Sunday. It doesn't matter if it's Woods or Larry Mize or Bubba Watson.........it's always good viewing. I just don't get this fixation with Woods. If he's good enough to be challenging on the back 9 on the final day then great but if he isn't then great as it will still be exciting. I won't be turning off until it's over no matter who is in contention and Woods or no Woods makes no difference to my enjoyment.

    The masters is my favourite tournament and like you I would watch it no matter who is in contention. But there is/was additional interest for the viewers when Tiger is in the mix. His time has most probably past, but that is not to say that he still spikes he interest of the viewing public. This thread, the number of posts and the way he polarises opinion is testament to that. Maybe he was just the first of the modern era, maybe he suffered from not having serious challengers, may if Speith was born 20 years earlier we would be talking about his effect on the game but he wasn't, tiger was.


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  • #181
    davo10
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    Senecio wrote: »
    His final round 63 to win the Australian Open was simply the finest round of golf anyone has played in the last 2 years.

    Australian masters eh, who was second? How many of the top 20 played in that one?


  • #182
    HighLine
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    stockdam wrote: »
    Let's talk Masters here. Since I was a kid I have watched every single one especially on Sunday night and I don't remember being disappointed. The Masters generally comes alive on the back 9 on Sunday.

    Not even last year? Personally thought it was one of the dullest back 9 Masters Sunday in recent memory. I guess we have been spoilt with usually exciting finishes come showdown at Augusta so I'm hoping this year follows that trend.

    More on topic..... I'm still thinking about that 66 mentioned earlier. I would love to know if that is true....... if it is, that's a phenomenal score in that format.


  • #183
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    Senecio wrote: »
    His final round 63 to win the Australian Open was simply the finest round of golf anyone has played in the last 2 years.


    All the top golfers have a final round 63 in them.;-)


  • #184
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    HighLine wrote: »
    Not even last year? Personally thought it was one of the dullest back 9 Masters Sunday in recent memory. I guess we have been spoilt with usually exciting finishes come showdown at Augusta so I'm hoping this year follows that trend.

    More on topic..... I'm still thinking about that 66 mentioned earlier. I would love to know if that is true....... if it is, that's a phenomenal score in that format.


    I hope it is true, seriously would love to see him put his best game up against today's best.


  • #185
    stockdam
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    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    But - you can't underestimate, him being black playing golf and on the cover of every important magazine and newspaper in the world. This was not only driven by his image and race - he was just brilliant too.

    Come on now. Woods being "black"? He never claimed that himself and went out of his way to explain his "multi-race" background. Since he has been playing there has been no increase in the number of black players playing on the PGA tour. Maybe Calvin Peete or Jim Thorpe did more for the underrepresented black golfers but how has Woods made any impression on the number of Black (or even non-white) pro golfers?

    I struggle to remember any black golfers who have played Collegiate Golf or Walker Cup golf so it looks to me that Woods' colour has done nothing (sadly).

    He ain't no role model nor does he do a lot for non-white golf (has he ever had a black caddy?). He has been an outstanding golfer but I would say that unfortunately his "blackness" has done diddly squat for golf.


  • #186
    stockdam
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    HighLine wrote: »
    Not even last year? Personally thought it was one of the dullest back 9 Masters Sunday in recent memory. I guess we have been spoilt with usually exciting finishes come showdown at Augusta so I'm hoping this year follows that trend.

    More on topic..... I'm still thinking about that 66 mentioned earlier. I would love to know if that is true....... if it is, that's a phenomenal score in that format.

    Well they can't all be mega exciting but I did stay up to the end. I'll stay up to the end on Sunday no matter who wins.

    As for the 66........what tees was it off? Most top pros would murder any course even off the members back tees and with "normal" green speeds.


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  • #187
    davo10
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    stockdam wrote: »
    Come on now. Woods being "black"? He never claimed that himself and went out of his way to explain his "multi-race" background. Since he has been playing there has been no increase in the number of black players playing on the PGA tour. Maybe Calvin Peete or Jim Thorpe did more for the underrepresented black golfers but how has Woods made any impression on the number of Black (or even non-white) pro golfers?

    I struggle to remember any black golfers who have played Collegiate Golf or Walker Cup golf so it looks to me that Woods' colour has done nothing (sadly).

    He ain't no role model nor does he do a lot for non-white golf (has he ever had a black caddy?). He has been an outstanding golfer but I would say that unfortunately his "blackness" has done diddly squat for golf.

    I think you are wrong there. Of all sports golf is/was seen as an upper class white sport whereas in the US football and baseball is associated with the coloured and Hispanic community. If memory serves me right Tiger was either the first or second coloured member of Augusta.


  • #188
    Osgoodisgood
    Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Osgoodisgood


    davo10 wrote: »
    Australian masters eh, who was second? How many of the top 20 played in that one?

    It was the Australian Open and while I can't be orsed figuring out the rankings of everyone that played I can tell you Spieth finished 9 in front of Adam Scott and 15 in front of Rory McIlroy.
    Rod Pampling was 2nd btw.
    Did you have a point?


  • #189
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Osgoodisgood wrote: »
    It was the Australian Open and while I can't be orsed figuring out the rankings of everyone that played I can tell you Spieth finished 9 in front of Adam Scott and 15 in front of Rory McIlroy.
    Rod Pampling was 2nd btw.
    Did you have a point?

    Ya, it's a small tournament with not much pressure, Rod who?


  • #190
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    stockdam wrote: »
    Well they can't all be mega exciting but I did stay up to the end. I'll stay up to the end on Sunday no matter who wins.

    As for the 66........what tees was it off? Most top pros would murder any course even off the members back tees and with "normal" green speeds.

    It surely has to be off the back sticks. And as for greens, Medalist greens are said to mimic Augusta's and are always exceptionally fast and tricky. With the whole "validation" aspect, his putter must be firing hot also.


  • #191
    Senecio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Senecio


    davo10 wrote: »
    Australian masters eh, who was second? How many of the top 20 played in that one?

    Read the post, it was the Australian Open not the Masters. Also it has nothing to do with the field but the course he played.

    BTW... Rory Mcilroy and Adam Scott were both in the field.

    Rory's tweet summed it well.

    "Could have played 100 rounds out there today and wouldn't have had a sniff at a 63"

    I wish people would educate themselves sometimes before they post dribble.


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  • #192
    Senecio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Senecio


    Slicemeister wrote: »
    All the top golfers have a final round 63 in them.;-)

    Not on that course, on that day


  • #193
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Senecio wrote: »
    Read the post, it was the Australian Open not the Masters. Also it has nothing to do with the field but the course he played.

    BTW... Rory Mcilroy and Adam Scott were both in the field.

    Rory's tweet summed it well.

    "Could have played 100 rounds out there today and wouldn't have had a sniff at a 63"

    I wish people would educate themselves sometimes before they post dribble.

    Sorry, I bow to your superior knowledge of Australian golf tournaments, Open it is.

    Tiger won the master by 12 shots in 97, kudos to Speith and yourself.

    So if it's "the course he played" a practice round is the same as a round played during a competition on the "same course"? What you're saying is that the course is the only variable? I'm sure there are a lot of pros who would pay good money for that type of single/simple minded intuition.


  • #194
    stockdam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    davo10 wrote: »
    I think you are wrong there. Of all sports golf is/was seen as an upper class white sport whereas in the US football and baseball is associated with the coloured and Hispanic community. If memory serves me right Tiger was either the first or second coloured member of Augusta.

    I think you are in effect agreeing. Woods has "inspired" a generation to play golf but very few appear to be non-white. His colour has not made any dent in the number of black pros on the PGA tour. If anything he should have been a catalyst to change that but it just hasn't happened. My comments were in response to the comment "
    you can't underestimate, him being black playing golf" and I'll say once again that his colour has done almost nothing to change things.


  • #195
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    Senecio wrote: »
    Not on that course, on that day


    Being sarcastic.. pre-empting any of the "all the top players are good bunker players"/ "30 foot putts are as much luck as skill" retorts.

    Didn't see it either though.


  • #196
    Johnny_Fontane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    Senecio wrote:
    His final round 63 to win the Australian Open was simply the finest round of golf anyone has played in the last 2 years.

    Sorry, but jbs first round in doral wins that honour. -10 when the average was -2, blowing hard. Unbelievable golf


  • #197
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,958 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    A corny video - but nice to see Tiger at the start when he was happy.

    He says at the end what Tiger had over everyone.



  • #198
    stockdam
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    HighLine wrote: »
    It surely has to be off the back sticks. And as for greens, Medalist greens are said to mimic Augusta's and are always exceptionally fast and tricky. With the whole "validation" aspect, his putter must be firing hot also.

    Maybe so........I was just asking what the conditions were as it makes a lot of difference. Back sticks may be much further forward than "tournament" sticks but I don't know. It's still a very impressive score. Are the greens always as fast as Augustas or only when tournaments are played? Anyway it's good shooting.


  • #199
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    stockdam wrote: »
    Maybe so........I was just asking what the conditions were as it makes a lot of difference. Back sticks may be much further forward than "tournament" sticks but I don't know. It's still a very impressive score. Are the greens always as fast as Agustas or only when tournaments are played? Anyway it's good shooting.

    Suppose it's hard to know for certain. I did see the following quote regarding the greens on a course review.....

    "According to staff, they're fortunate enough to be given enough great weather and the tools to keep the course in near optimum conditions year round, with greens that run 12-13 on the stimpmeter daily. At time of review, they were ranging from 12 to 12.5 and were as smooth and closely as the first green at dawn."

    With the greens being as undulating as Augusta's and faster.... that 66 is alot more than good.


  • #200
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    Woods, Tiger : 47/1 to win US Masters : Outright Betting

    Won't be on it...


  • #201
    valoren
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    When you are 100% in focus during major tournaments like Woods, then the great shots are magnified but also the poor ones, of which in recent years have been pounced on.

    The 'famous' shots we all know about and remember.

    He's hit some terrible shots as well, the most recent of which were his ch-yips in February.

    Two ones stand out for me. 2006 at the Buick. Woods on 18th hits a block/push right.
    Faldo commentating, says it was a total mi****, Tiger got a lucky break there.
    Cue Woods criticising Faldo saying he meant to hit that exact shot etc etc. STFU basically. An insight into his ego and position within the game. A Lance Armstrong-Paul Kimmage moment.

    Also in 2009, he misses the cut at the Open at Turnberry. The greatest golfer in the world, a 3 time open champion and he doesn't have a go-to stock swing to plod it around and make the cut instead he goes for everything.

    Either way he will always be box office, he will always make good 'copy' with the good and the bad facets of his life and his golf. He has been the draw, he's cashed in enormously, deservedly so. His dilly dallying and reporting about playing at Augusta for me is simply attention seeking. Note: He won't win.

    Falling out of the spotlight when you've been centre stage for 20 years can't be easy.


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