Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

Fitz II · 24-01-2021 11:23am

Wibbs wrote: »

Sure, but when that amount of effort and resources are pointed at something, you expect something better on the beauty score. Compare it to the Lange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehQ3OiiULdk

Mad money still, but half the price and far more balanced a design. A mix of traditional and brutally modernist.

I agree the Zeit is lovely, but its not trying to fit and display a gyrotubillion and a perpetual calendar. These hyper complicated watches are either huge or have this sort of open heart design.

Cienciano · 24-01-2021 11:36am

Lorddrakul wrote: »

I love the engineering, but feck, that's ugly.

For me that applies to 95% of high end watches :pac:

Fitz II · 24-01-2021 11:42am

Cienciano wrote: »

For me that applies to 95% of high end watches :pac:

I think that the sort of collector that buys something like that will have had a lot of watches, and their taste will have been concentrated and refined at that stage Its like learning to like fine dining, or drink whisky...take some practice and initially the appeal is not so obvious.

Cyclingtourist · 24-01-2021 11:51am

Fitz II wrote: »

I think that the sort of collector that buys something like that will have had a lot of watches, and their taste will have been concentrated and refined at that stage Its like learning to like fine dining, or drink whisky...take some practice and initially the appeal is not so obvious.

I prefer to drink whiskey.

Wibbs · 24-01-2021 12:16pm

Fitz II wrote: »

I think that the sort of collector that buys something like that will have had a lot of watches, and their taste will have been concentrated and refined at that stage Its like learning to like fine dining, or drink whisky...take some practice and initially the appeal is not so obvious.

True enough. I've noticed down the years that many of the top collectors pass through the supercomplication stage and go back to basics and "simplicity" and look for watches like one off old style handmade George Daniels type pieces and the like.

Fitz II · 24-01-2021 1:08pm

Wibbs wrote: »

True enough. I've noticed down the years that many of the top collectors pass through the supercomplication stage and go back to basics and "simplicity" and look for watches like one off old style handmade George Daniels type pieces and the like.

Those Daniels watches just hide their complications, half the feckers are in solar/sidereal time which is very complex to achieve...but yeah the collector of this sort of grand complication watch seem to like that aesthetic.

Wibbs · 24-01-2021 1:18pm

Actually F sidereal time isn't very complex at all. The German military required Heuer to make a small run of sidereal BUND watches. For artillery types. They were originally issued with star charts to determine true north. And they were a flyback chronograph on top. IIRC it simply involves a change to the minute wheel. They run around 4 minutes slow compared to a normal watch. Some have swapped out the relevant wheel t make them more usable. For those weird feckers who want to tell the time.

Now if you're adding perpetual calenders and allowing for the loss of a day per year(IIRC?) that's complex alright, but sidereal time alone isn't.

Fitz II · 24-01-2021 1:32pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually F sidereal time isn't very complex at all. The German military required Heuer to make a small run of sidereal BUND watches. For artillery types. They were originally issued with star charts to determine true north. And they were a flyback chronograph on top. IIRC it simply involves a change to the minute wheel. They run around 4 minutes slow compared to a normal watch. Some have swapped out the relevant wheel t make them more usable. For those weird feckers who want to tell the time.

Now if you're adding perpetual calenders and allowing for the loss of a day per year(IIRC?) that's complex alright, but sidereal time alone isn't.

Meant solar/sidereal time, the man himself though it was the hardest complication and that Tourbillons were masturbation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Nu-ROLIf8

Wibbs · 24-01-2021 2:31pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Meant solar/sidereal time, the man himself though it was the hardest complication and that Tourbillons were masturbation.

Ahh now I get you. A solar sidereal calculator. Yeah, that's a whole other level of engineering and complication alright. Sidereal on it's own is basically just a watch with a gear with a different number of teeth.

I never got the tourbillion thing myself. I can understand it in a pocket watch because they tend to stay pendant up most of the time so allowing for positional gravity effects makes sense, but even then it's OTT in a wristwatch these days. It certainly made sense in the 19th century pocketwatch and when they hadn't the materials that came along later which allowed for more tweaking of the positional variability.

Fitz II · 24-01-2021 2:53pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Ahh now I get you. A solar sidereal calculator. Yeah, that's a whole other level of engineering and complication alright. Sidereal on it's own is basically just a watch with a gear with a different number of teeth.

I never got the tourbillion thing myself. I can understand it in a pocket watch because they tend to stay pendant up most of the time so allowing for positional gravity effects makes sense, but even then it's OTT in a wristwatch these days. It certainly made sense in the 19th century pocketwatch and when they hadn't the materials that came along later which allowed for more tweaking of the positional variability.

Your wrist is a tourbillion unless your arm is in a sling so its totally pointless, however in the mechanical wristwatch world embracing the pointless is often part of the fun. I see them as "Masterpieces" by the haute horology companies to show off and make the limited edition pieces more special....we were having this conversation with thirdfox before regarding the solas tourbillion....I kinda feel an expensive tourb has value like a 100k AP but an affordable tourb kinda misses the point. The omega tourb is a total failure cause Omega just doesnt have the high end chops to pull it off, not the technichalities of making it, but the loyal collectors willing to spend that sort of dosh for something pointless.

unkel · 24-01-2021 11:41pm

Fitz II wrote: »

human centipede

893bet wrote: »

Kevin you are so deep in level 4 you have your head up unkels arse.

You lads had a cosy movie night together recently?

Saw that film only recently. Jaysus.

Thirdfox · 25-01-2021 12:47am

Fitz II wrote: »

Your wrist is a tourbillion unless your arm is in a sling so its totally pointless, however in the mechanical wristwatch world embracing the pointless is often part of the fun. I see them as "Masterpieces" by the haute horology companies to show off and make the limited edition pieces more special....we were having this conversation with thirdfox before regarding the solas tourbillion....I kinda feel an expensive tourb has value like a 100k AP but an affordable tourb kinda misses the point. The omega tourb is a total failure cause Omega just doesnt have the high end chops to pull it off, not the technichalities of making it, but the loyal collectors willing to spend that sort of dosh for something pointless.

But I think there is another level at the "super" affordable tourbillons too - the sub €1000 tourbys (or if you buy from Aliexpress from the factories then as low as sub-€400).

The Tag Heuer 16,000 euro tourbillon doesn't make much sense as it's selling point is "the cheapest Swiss tourbillon" but a 600-800 euro tourbillon (depending on design and other mechanical features) may make sense (we'll see).

Just like taking microrotors/aventurine to below 400-500 - I think there is ample market for people who want a tourbillon not for "the pinnacle of Sólás watchmaking" (which will be the affordable repeater

) - but for people who want to see a piece with hundreds of little parts rotating around in a cage.

"Affordable crystalware" as one podcast who looked at Sólás (positively) said.

Oh and I did like the JLC for the miniaturisation of all those separate elements - the minute hand is also a jumping minute hand too btw - doing it just because they can.

And if I were to spend a million on a watch (ha!) - it would be something like this (or perhaps high art like wood marquetry/cloisonné dial Patek) rather than an "iced out" diamond Jacob & Co/Hublot/Richard Mille.

Cyclingtourist · 25-01-2021 8:26am

Some people just love strapping a Faberge egg to their wrist.

Fitz II · 25-01-2021 9:48am

Thirdfox wrote: »

But I think there is another level at the "super" affordable tourbillons too - the sub €1000 tourbys (or if you buy from Aliexpress from the factories then as low as sub-€400).

They defiantly exist but is there a market? 200 people backed the starlight at a far more accessible price and a far more conventional genre. What percentage of them will back a off the shelf tourb? I know nobody with one, nobody hankering for one. Can your tourb tastebubs get developed and sated at this level?

Wibbs · 25-01-2021 11:03am

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

Some people just love strapping a Faberge egg to their wrist.

That's a good comparison I reckon. Extreme no holds barred, money no object opulence for its own sake. Human history is chock full of such items going back to prehistory made for all sorts of reasons; status, devotion, technical achievement, even I think we can do it so we should.

40,000 years ago a society decided that someone would make this from mammoth ivory.

Something that took many hours a day over many months of work with stone tools carefully cutting and polishing an extremely unforgiving material. More, that person wouldn't be free to do the usual hunting and gathering of food, in an ice age environment where survival was on a knife edge. But that society felt this was all worth it. In many ways that foot high sculpture is more "opulent" and "luxurious" than any Faberge egg or super complication watch. Nobody was risking starving to death to make them. That we are at times willing to risk hardship in the pursuit of such esoteric things is a fundamental part of what makes us modern humans.

Cyclingtourist · 25-01-2021 11:16am

Wibbs wrote: »

Something that took many hours a day over many months of work with stone tools carefully cutting and polishing an extremely unforgiving material. More, that person wouldn't be free to do the usual hunting and gathering of food, in an ice age environment where survival was on a knife edge. But that society felt this was all worth it. In many ways that foot high sculpture is more "opulent" and "luxurious" than any Faberge egg or super complication watch. Nobody was risking starving to death to make them. That we are at times willing to risk hardship in the pursuit of such esoteric things is a fundamental part of what makes us modern humans.

We don't really know what function that carving had. It could have had a religious significance or acted as a talisman to bring good fortune to hunters.

Not sure Jacob & Co watches bring good fortune given a certain person's performance over the weekend.

Cyrus · 25-01-2021 11:21am

apologies if posted already but i really like the new zenith chronomaster, yes its a ceramic daytona knock off but i give zenith a pass in that regard, has the striking tenth movement, and at 41mm it should wear nicely rather than the little small that the stainless steel daytone does.

My only niggle is the adjustable clasp is a little low rent but better than no adjustment.

ill be getting this at some stage in white

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/zenith-chronomaster-sport-el-primero-3600-calibre/

redlead · 25-01-2021 11:29am

Thats actually an interesting point. I guess there is an element of the show off to anyone that commissions art. The difference I guess is that even though an element of it was for personal gratification, something beautiful was created and the public often benefited from it too. What city can build the most magnificent cathedral or town Hall etc. I think the sole reason for buying an iced watch is to show off wealth. Nobody actually likes them do they? Horrid vulgar things. I do cringe anytime I see someone wear a Jacob and co astronomia, but at least they often do something interesting mechanically. I appreciate that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but an iced Royal Oak or president ! REALLY ....

redlead · 25-01-2021 11:32am

Cyrus wrote: »

apologies if posted already but i really like the new zenith chronomaster, yes its a ceramic daytona knock off but i give zenith a pass in that regard, has the striking tenth movement, and at 41mm it should wear nicely rather than the little small that the stainless steel daytone does.
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I don't know, I'm really not a fan of "homage" watches in general. I just have a principled stance on them. Truth be told, I actually think that's nicer than a Daytona but I'm still a bit disappointed that Zenith would stoop to basically ripping it off. Being a former movement supplier doesn't give them a pass imo.

Fitz II · 25-01-2021 12:17pm

It seems that war has broken out on the internet regarding this new El Primero. Bark and Jack has taken down his vid called it a homage.

Wibbs · 25-01-2021 12:18pm

redlead wrote: »

an iced Royal Oak or president ! REALLY ....

Yup. I can sorta understand jewelling up a dress watch, but something like a Daytona?

For me that's like pimping up a Mercedes G-Wagon. And then I googled...

:eek::D

It can be very culturally biased too. Some cultures and subcultures prefer understatement, while others the more ostentatious bling the better. Economics can come into it too, so the rapper culture that comes from street kids often from very underprivileged backgrounds, understandably want to show off how far they've come, so pimp up their lives with everything new, shiny and obviously expensive to telegraph what they feel are the trappings of wealth and thumb a nose at the mainstream society and can get into an arms race with it. And fair enough in my humble.

Wibbs · 25-01-2021 12:31pm

Fitz II wrote: »

It seems that war has broken out on the internet regarding this new El Primero. Bark and Jack has taken down his vid called it a homage.

It's a bit chicken or egg going on too. Here's one from 69:

Is that a Daytona clone too? Maybe, but it could be argued that the Daytona was a Zenith clone of sorts. Well the auto used the Zenith movement with a few tweaks. And there are only so many ways you can design a three register chronograph without going too mad, or dating things too much.

EG couldn't be any more 60's if it tried.

banie01 · 25-01-2021 12:53pm

I hadn't been aware of the new Zenith until I read the conversation here.
Yes, its derivative but as Wibbs has beaten me too the punch on a bit of watch knowledge that I was proud I held

The original Zenith chrono's prior to their takeover by Zenith electronics could very well be said to have "inspired" the Daytona (Even with movement sharing)

They are very looky likey, but from a purely functional standpoint?
I'd have the Zenith!
Bigger, lumed sub-hands, a date!
and available at retail for 3k less that Rolex Unobtainium!

Fitz II · 25-01-2021 12:54pm

Wibbs I was in weirs and they had that rainbow daytona in the case for sale. I joked with my wife about who would pay 70k for that abomination, the sales person said it would be a hard sell...that was 2018....today they go for 250k+....FML

eljono · 25-01-2021 12:58pm

Cyrus wrote: »

apologies if posted already but i really like the new zenith chronomaster, yes its a ceramic daytona knock off but i give zenith a pass in that regard, has the striking tenth movement, and at 41mm it should wear nicely rather than the little small that the stainless steel daytone does.

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/zenith-chronomaster-sport-el-primero-3600-calibre/

Must say I really like that El Primero, black dial would be my preference.

Nice to hear that they have reduced the amount of parts yet added some new functionalities - "hacking seconds, quick-set date function, and a longer power reserve of 60 hours".

I've long admired but never handled a Zenith, do they hold up well in person?

Cyrus · 25-01-2021 1:05pm

eljono wrote: »

Must say I really like that El Primero, black dial would be my preference.

Nice to hear that they have reduced the amount of parts yet added some new functionalities - "hacking seconds, quick-set date function, and a longer power reserve of 60 hours".

I've long admired but never handled a Zenith, do they hold up well in person?

yes imo, have always liked zenith, they are as well made as anything else at the price point i find.

unkel · 25-01-2021 1:16pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Wibbs I was in weirs and they had that rainbow daytona in the case for sale. I joked with my wife about who would pay 70k for that abomination

Very popular in the rapper / gangsta culture and therefore fashionable. Even middle aged lads like Wahlberg and Beckham have one now

I'm far from fashionable myself - my fashion has been mostly jeans and t-shirt for the last few decades - but I admit I do quite fancy it myself, purely as some extravagant jewelry of course. I couldn't read the time on that unless I'd use a magnifying glass

Wibbs · 25-01-2021 1:45pm

Zenith are another one of those brands like Longines that have dropped from previous heights(though not nearly as far as Longines). Zenith were an innovative company that produced many very nice watches and movements down the years and won a lot of industry prizes and racked up the chronometer trials wins too.

Cyclingtourist · 25-01-2021 3:07pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Bark and Jack has taken down his vid called it a homage.

There's still a video on B&J where he refers to it as a 'homage'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxY1Gzudi0s&t=156s

IrishPlayer · 25-01-2021 3:08pm

Just after getting back from getting an eye test at Specsavers in Blanchardstown shopping centre. The Optometrist was wearing a Rolex Day-Date 36 'Cherry Dial'

A member on Boards.ie over on the shooting section. He also has an Air-King and is looking to get a GMT- Pepsi. He was saying some of the other guys working there have Omega's, Breitling and a Submariner (I'm defiantly in the wrong line if work!:D)

I was telling him about this great corner of Boards (all the while thinking to myself " bet Unkel would love this!

).

Was wearing my 4006-6020 Bell-Matic and demonstrated the alarm, he never seen anything like it! :cool:

A great start to the week!, fantastic getting to chat in person with someone with an interest in watches and seeing them in the wild.

Fitz II · 25-01-2021 3:18pm

:cool:

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

There's still a video on B&J where he refers to it as a 'homage'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxY1Gzudi0s&t=156s

Maybe its up in edited form.....he like to court a bit on controversary.

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dakar · 25-01-2021 3:52pm

Following on from the watch arses thread, 893bet asked for more photos of the front of the Nomos Orion 38 date.

The silver plating on the dial is a much warmer tone than the photos on the Nomos website would suggest. I’m not sure if the plating on this version is the same as the white version, or whether the gold plated indices trick the eye into perceiving it as warmer. Either way, I’d probably have chosen the white if I were buying new, but the opportunity for this one came up via CosmicJay of this parish.

I had some doubts amount the gold indices, but I love it in the metal, there’s a real feeling of luxury about it. I picked up cheap brown and blue leather straps for it. Both work well and I’ll get around to getting some better quality ones soon.

893bet · 25-01-2021 5:44pm

I can’t see pics?

I think I tried to buy CJs watch that time and missed out if I recall.

Damn that red day date is something special!

dakar · 25-01-2021 6:06pm

893bet wrote: »

I can’t see pics?

Fixed?

redlead · 25-01-2021 7:08pm

@David from the arse thread.

The way I view the lugs they very much extend out on the wrist instead of hugging the wrist. This means that on a wrist smaller than mine, even though the dial size would be perfect, the lugs could extend out over your wrist. I reckon anyone under a 6.75 inch wrist should get the 35.5 and anyone over should go for the 38.

Edit, just to add from the pic you may think they curve down over the wrist because of the sharp curvy bit but I don't think this is really the case when you have it on.

david · 25-01-2021 7:51pm

redlead wrote: »

@David from the arse thread.

The way I view the lugs they very much extend out on the wrist instead of hugging the wrist. This means that on a wrist smaller than mine, even though the dial size would be perfect, the lugs could extend out over your wrist. I reckon anyone under a 6.75 inch wrist should get the 35.5 and anyone over should go for the 38.

Edit, just to add from the pic you may think they curve down over the wrist because of the sharp curvy bit but I don't think this is really the case when you have it on.

Amazing thanks for doing that - makes my decision even harder though :pac:

That's very deceptive alright, you'd swear they curved but in reality they probably sit flush with the caseback. Form over function for sure!

If only they made a Goldilocks 36.25mm... It's made how much 2.5mm in the total diameter can totally change the feel and look of a watch. I was looking at the Antea KS/365 also but the thicker bezel really makes it look optically smaller IMO.

Actually very tempted to stick both on the credit card and return the 'wrong' one at this rate.

dakar · 25-01-2021 8:05pm

For completeness, here’s the same angle on the Orion 38. The placement of the strap ends is remarkably similar despite the different lug shape, but the Orion curves and hugs the wrist a little more, with the springbars just below the level of the back of the case, rather than a millimeter or two higher on the Tangente.

redlead · 25-01-2021 8:30pm

david wrote: »

That's very deceptive alright, you'd swear they curved but in reality they probably sit flush with the caseback. Form over function for sure!

.

Thats exactly it. The bottom of the curve is perfectly aligned with the bottom of the caseback. Thats very interesting comparing it to Dakars Orion. That one definitely curves down so would likely wear slightly smaller than the tangente even though the lugs have more presence.

893bet · 25-01-2021 11:01pm

dakar wrote: »

Fixed?

Yes. Very nice. I tried to buy that from CJ but it was sold before I got there. I don’t think I would have kept it with the gold accents in any case. Still lovely.

Wibbs · 26-01-2021 12:12am

unkel wrote: »

It will likely be a lot cheaper to buy it now and hide it away for the next 16 years!

If this place is around and I am too :eek::D I'll bet you one hundred euro that you'll be wrong.

unkel · 26-01-2021 12:42am

Wibbs wrote: »

If this place is around and I am too :eek::D I'll bet you one hundred euro that you'll be wrong.

You seriously reckon a Milgauss will be worth less in 16 years than it is now? What do you base that on? Pure wishful thinking maybe?

I hope you'll still be around anyway. Not so sure if boards will survive that long though

2shea · 26-01-2021 12:43am

IrishPlayer wrote: »

Just after getting back from getting an eye test at Specsavers in Blanchardstown shopping centre. The Optometrist was wearing a Rolex Day-Date 36 'Cherry Dial'

A member on Boards.ie over on the shooting section. He also has an Air-King and is looking to get a GMT- Pepsi. He was saying some of the other guys working there have Omega's, Breitling and a Submariner (I'm defiantly in the wrong line if work!:D)

I was telling him about this great corner of Boards (all the while thinking to myself " bet Unkel would love this! ).

Was wearing my 4006-6020 Bell-Matic and demonstrated the alarm, he never seen anything like it! :cool:

A great start to the week!, fantastic getting to chat in person with someone with an interest in watches and seeing them in the wild.

Jesus this is a thing if beauty

Wibbs · 26-01-2021 1:01am

unkel wrote: »

You seriously reckon a Milgauss will be worth less in 16 years than it is now? What do you base that on? Pure wishful thinking maybe?

I hope you'll still be around anyway. Not so sure if boards will survive that long though

These things go in cycles U. The current fashion/trend for men's watches could go either way and most likely downwards. Oh there will always be a small gang of people who will vie for the very top slot rarefied stuff, but that's the case with all collectables and luxury items, but the mass of people not so much. Watches are mass produced items produced in their millions, we're not talking renaissance grand masters here(and even they fluctuate). The hobby and trend simply couldn't exist if they were actually rare and limited in number. Indeed I've seen some of the very rarest examples of actual horological significance go for buttons*. Now there is a shortage at the moment, but it's an entirely artificial one and the market is buying into that, but it may not buy into it for long. And it won't take much. The interwebs which fomented the enthusiasm has a short attention span and disillusionment travels faster than ever. 16 years ago people would consider us mad for paying more for a steel case over a solid gold one and yet today... 16 years ago vintage IWC were worth more than today. 16 years ago military issued watches were barely on the radar, but today are way more pricey, but the market has stagnated with few selling compared to even five years ago.

But appreciate the well wishes for my survival U.

*two years ago I spotted one of the first truly waterproof watches(along with the Tavannes "Submarine") designed and made in 1917 with only one known to survive. I didn't bother putting in a bid because I figured it would go for thousands. 500 quid. I still have kick marks on my back.... You can get a Tavannes "Submarine" for around the same money when they come up.

unkel · 26-01-2021 1:51am

You'll be proven wrong on the Milgauss though Wibbs

It's underrated, undervalued (still worth less than retail as one of the very few steel Rolex), yet generally considered a classic and most likely to be discontinued in the next few years and never made in huge quantities. One of the likeliest currently available Rolex watches to go up in value (don't take my word for it, several dealers have recently stated this)

And when in the last few decades have Rolex gone out of fashion?

The mark is far more popular now and has better brand recognition (both with young people) than it ever was.

This is not a sales pitch for Fitz either. If I had the spare cash to have kept the Milgauss (as an investment and for occasional wear), I would have.

scwazrh · 26-01-2021 1:53am

unkel wrote: »

You seriously reckon a Milgauss will be worth less in 16 years than it is now? What do you base that on? Pure wishful thinking maybe?

I hope you'll still be around anyway. Not so sure if boards will survive that long though

As a man that drives an electric car and understands Crypto do you not get the irony of your statement claiming that watches will be always in demand ?

unkel · 26-01-2021 2:00am

I didn't claim that watches in general will always be in demand. Always is a very long time anyway

But if you think about it, we never needed watches less than we do now, we all have phones that tell us the time better. Yet luxury watches were never this popular and never was so much money spent on them. The Rolex brand in particular is really strong in this market. Go show any 12 year old (boy or girl) a Rolex and ask what it is. 95% will recognise it immediately. Had you done so 10 years ago, this figure would have been lower, 20 years ago even lower, etc. These are the people that quite likely will buy a Rolex once they have the money in a few decades time. Even when by then people will barely realise what a rapper was or this ridiculous gang culture

dinorebel · 26-01-2021 2:10am

scwazrh wrote: »

As a man that drives an electric car and understands Crypto do you not get the irony of your statement claiming that watches will be always in demand ?

Not sure on this electric cars are a necessity crypto may or may not be the future of finance watches are an emotional choice(regardless of flipping which is a means to an end) otherwise we'd all be using our phones to check the time.

scwazrh · 26-01-2021 2:16am

Agreed that we don’t need watches anymore .Eventually watches will be outdated in the same way a V8 will be in museum piece and cash will be as strange as a pound note to my 13 yr old .

Will it happen in 16yrs as mentioned? Who knows , but I didn’t think 16 yrs ago that I would be changing all my cash for crypto and waiting to trade my diesel pickup for an electric one.The idea of Rolex watches only going one way is not as sound as you might think.

893bet · 26-01-2021 7:47am

In absolute terms the Milgauss will cost more in 16 years.

But...

The rate of increase of the last 5 years cannot be maintained for Rolex
The rate of inflation for the next 16 is unknown.
The cost of ownership for the next 16 years can’t be ignored. There is a reasonable chance of a 600 quid plus service at some point. Especially if you actually wear the watch.
The opportunity cost of 8k tied up for 16 years can’t be ignored. With the right investment that 16k could easily be 32k or 320k or 32cents.

One may say they are undervalued. Or are they over valued? Given that the mania of the last 5 years never really hit them (even OPs are more than retail for Christ sake) then it seems they are unloved by the general public. I wouldn’t place my house on them becoming anything more than a cult classic, and that’s a relatively small cult.

Fitz II · 26-01-2021 9:51am

My advice to anyone is buy the watch not the promise of profit. The milgauss has treated me well, and with the service (they are 800 euro now plus parts) I am looking to get out what I am in it for and they are rising in price. In 16 years who knows but if you are after a interesting, wearable and robust rolex look no further.

Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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