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Leinster vs Munster - The buildup for the ages!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Erik Shun


    That’ll be a double “whoosh” for you then :rolleyes:

    Quit while you're behind ;)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wrote an article about how ****e munster are
    Inpho photographer Donall Farmer wasn't pitch-side at the Millennium Stadium on the afternoon of 20 May, 2006. Instead, drawing a short straw, he was sent to Limerick's O'Connell Street and with a big screen set up for that Heineken Cup final, he simply turned and faced down the crowd. The passion and pride of a congregation tells what you need to know about the preachers and their message.

    It was a remarkable sight he captured. As far as his lens could take in was a sea of blood red, more than perhaps that group of Munster players had spilled over the many brutal years. These were the fans that couldn't get near a match ticket too, but they were there that Saturday in case it was the moment a famine suddenly turned into a feast.

    It gloriously did.

    Yet even before that triumph, and despite all the heartbreak, the one word you'd associate with that version of the province was heart, as they'd never stay down. And as rugby tip-toed into a pro era filled with foreign imports, what they still had was a sliver of throwback. Sean Payne and Trevor Halstead may have been in the line-up but the rest? They were very local lads, stepping out under the bright lights of the global.

    Ultimately the most cynical couldn't take away from the enormity of it as, led by Anthony Foley, they together wrote the closing chapter of an amazing story.

    Stand up and fight may seem trite now. Back then though, it truly meant something.

    ***

    There's never any shame in losing. Simply ask that version of the province.

    Indeed since their last final visit, various Munster sides have arguably had more reason to come up short due to market share and big-money owners becoming club rugby's new norm. Besides, in Europe, from newest to oldest, their last 11 seasons finished: Semi-final, semi-final, semi-final, group, group, semi-final, semi-final, quarter-final, group, semi-final, semi-final. That's serious going as what more can you do when you've reached your glass ceiling?

    There's no shame in losing, but it depends on how you lose.

    This is where it gets a bit messy for Munster, and this week has added to it.

    At best, Billy Vunipola is not a particularly intelligent person. At worst, he's not a particularly nice human being. Very few would or could contest on those fronts. And, at first glance, this makes Munster fans' apparent efforts in Coventry to show their disapproval of his views an impressive shining of the torch. That's the problem with first glances though. Fleeting and with little depth, they often don't tell us everything.

    Even the booing that greeted Vunipola throughout the game was at face value to be admired, until a brief flutter back into the archives. Take this headline from the Limerick Leader on 20 May, 2017.

    'Gardaí intervene as kicker is jeered at Thomond Park'

    Making noise at a rugby match should be every entrant's right, but in Munster it's become about only when it suits them.

    Then take the lack of reaction to the fan who confronted Vunipola on the field. Ronan O'Gara solely joked that he looked like a Leinster supporter. Alan Quinlan has launched a social media tirade against Vunipola, but said little about or against the pitch invader. Donal Lenihan brought up that odious term 'rugby values', but solely around the England international. And the organisation's official line was wishy-washy, distancing themselves from the fan wearing a Munster jersey as they said he was neither a season ticket holder or a member of the official supporters club, and six days later they haven't even banned him for life when that would be automatic in any other sport.

    We shouldn't be surprised though, as brick by brick over recent years they've torn down what previously made them so different. And while there's nothing wrong with being just one more franchise dotting the rugby landscape, pretending not to be grates.

    ***

    So what does Munster represent today?

    That's a question that started to nag around the time when Ian Keatley was out-half.

    He'd later recall his 2015-16 season and his experiences of the famous Munster support. How his mother broke down over the phone; how he was subjected to the abuse during games; how it shattered his confidence on the pitch as well as off of it.

    "I wasn't cracking jokes anymore," he noted. "I wasn't listening to music, I love listening to music. In the car, on the way in to training I'd have my radio off, I was constantly thinking. Weird things go through your head; I wondered, 'Why am I putting myself through this?'."

    Keatley also remembered how Anthony Foley helped him along, which was some going given what the coach himself had to endure. Since his tragic and sudden death, many fans have changed their tune about the job he did at the helm, but let's not rewrite history because of tragedy.

    How many times have you heard Munster fans talk how it was under his watch they had to bring in their R.E.S.P.E.CT ideal to try and stop the venom from the stand? How many times have you heard about how a mere 7,200 showed up for a derby with Ulster and 160 tickets were shifted for an away-day with Stade Francais? How many times have you heard about how his wife mentioned at the funeral, the pain he endured when leading them?

    They might talk of a Red Army but at the weekend in a half-empty Ricoh Arena in Coventry, they blamed the opposition for that. However, more from Leitrim made their way to the Division Four football league final in GAA than from Munster to a European Cup semi-final.

    If Keatley's treatment was a seminal moment though, then the treatment of Gerbrandt Grobler made sure it has continued on. In February 2015, he admitted to anabolic steroid use and was banned for two years. By August 2017, and with studies showing the effects of such drugs can last for decades, Munster offered up redemption by shovelling money, not just the way of any cheat, but a person who was happy to cheat in one of the sports where doping can do the most damage due to the brute physicality of the game.

    Then, as now, out came the defenders for the indefensible. Be it fans in cheering, former players in their words, teammates in their support, or the club in their actions. It was reprehensible from all. None of them could face the truth.

    It has made it almost impossible to like what used to be so likeable.

    Back in 2006, many took in what was special but that feeling can only happen once and you cannot relive the first occasion. Besides, times have changed, only they go on as if it's the very same. As an example, the Saracens side that beat them are bemoaned for buying success, but what exactly have Munster tried to do with less money? The same.

    Only 53% of their team that started at the weekend were even from Munster, with the South African and the Leinster systems responsible for as many players each as Limerick's fabled fields. Between used bench and first XV, six that played a part were from South Africa or New Zealand, versus three from Limerick. In fact had Joey Carbery played, Blackrock College would have been as prominent as their spiritual home.

    That's quite an indictment for a place that calls Leinster a rival when it ought to be thankful for the hand-outs and hand-me-downs; and that's quite an indictment for a place that drags along worn-out bygones and sees itself as unique due to it being about the local.

    So what is it they represent today? Honesty? Integrity? Loyalty? Community?

    In long lost victories, for sure. But no more.

    Stand up and fight? For what though, when you now stand for so little?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I wrote an article about how ****e munster are

    Fixed your post:
    At best, Billy Vunipola Ewan MacKenna is not a particularly intelligent person. At worst, he's not a particularly nice human being. Very few would or could contest on those fronts.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 442 ✭✭freak scence


    hi will there be coverage on any radio stations for this match ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    15 men, wearing blue jersey....


    It must be a feckin' big jersey and pretty restrictive .....:D


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    hi will there be coverage on any radio stations for this match ?

    RTE Radio 1 have it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    bobbyss wrote: »
    I don't know much about rugby but after the main final last week this fixture seems to me like an also rans game. Saracens are the men. After that game it doesn't really matter what Leinster do. Who cares about the result really. Both teams thumped by the champions.


    Stated and proved.....Well done.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Due to bad things happening in the past, unfortunately selling tickets is not allowed on the forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    There are some more tickets available for sale for Saturday that have been released today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Be nice to see Munster put one over the cucumber sandwich and winegum brigade. With all their suspiciously new jerseys. "ah here i'm a fan all me life" Sure you are. Well for the last 4/5 years anyway. You're facing the wrong way lad, the pitch is over there, and no you're the blue team :rolleyes:

    :pac::pac::pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Be nice to see Munster put one over the cucumber sandwich and winegum brigade. With all their suspiciously new jerseys. "ah here i'm a fan all me life" Sure you are. Well for the last 4/5 years anyway. You're facing the wrong way lad, the pitch is over there, and no you're the blue team :rolleyes:

    :pac::pac::pac:

    Tell us how you really feel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,409 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Be nice to see Munster put one over the cucumber sandwich and winegum brigade. With all their suspiciously new jerseys. "ah here i'm a fan all me life" Sure you are. Well for the last 4/5 years anyway. You're facing the wrong way lad, the pitch is over there, and no you're the blue team :rolleyes:

    :pac::pac::pac:

    The jerseys are new because people buy new jerseys. I know it’s people like you keeping the Corinthian spirit alive but spare a thought for us poor people that are forced to buy new clothes occasionally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter



    Be nice to see Munster put one over the cucumber sandwich and winegum brigade. With all their suspiciously new jerseys. "ah here i'm a fan all me life" Sure you are. Well for the last 4/5 years anyway. You're facing the wrong way lad, the pitch is over there, and no you're the blue team :rolleyes:

    :pac::pac::pac:


    Presumably you were still in prison when Munster "put one over" the then European Champions less than 5 months ago?


  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think this has gone on long enough. Can we get back to talking about rugby please?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Just can't see a way where Munster can suddenly start producing a few pieces of intricate play that get them in behind Leinster.

    Based on all evidence to date, Leinster don't need to be anywhere near their best to come out on top in this one.

    Nonetheless I'll be there with 3 kids under the age of 10. And when they're watching Munster thump the bejaysus out of everyone in their path in 30 years time they can turn to their own kids and say: "You know, it wasn't always like this!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Maybe not one for this thread but does anyone know can I take a 3 yr old into this game without a ticket if I have a seated ticket myself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Maybe not one for this thread but does anyone know can I take a 3 yr old into this game without a ticket if I have a seated ticket myself?

    The policy is that you can bring a 2 year old or younger baby once its 'in arms' but if the baby is over 2 it needs a ticket.

    Hope that helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    The policy is that you can bring a 2 year old or younger baby once its 'in arms' but if the baby is over 2 it needs a ticket.

    Hope that helps.

    It does indeed, thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Maybe not one for this thread but does anyone know can I take a 3 yr old into this game without a ticket if I have a seated ticket myself?


    Have you gone to games before or this your first game?


    I wouldn't advise a young child going to game. A 3 year will want to walk around and the noise will be too much for them....A rugby match is not really a place for young children


    Especially one on a Saturday afternoon with the pints flowing from early


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Erik Shun


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Have you gone to games before or this your first game?


    I wouldn't advise a young child going to game. A 3 year will want to walk around and the noise will be too much for them....A rugby match is not really a place for young children


    Especially one on a Saturday afternoon with the pints flowing from early

    What a load of rubbish


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Erik Shun wrote: »
    What a load of rubbish


    What exactly is rubbish?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,263 ✭✭✭bobbyss


    salmocab wrote:
    I doubt many will argue this with you

    Saracens are the champs. Better than any Irish side. And I don't know much about rugby. Beat both Irish sides.

    Am I wrong?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Erik Shun


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    What exactly is rubbish?

    Your post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Erik Shun wrote: »
    Your post


    Excellent contribution


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    My work mate brought their 4 month old to a game in the RDS a few weeks ago with the kiddie headphones on the baby and they had a great time.

    Staff were so kind and conscious of the baby. I'd fully endorse bringing any baby or child.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    bobbyss wrote: »
    Saracens are the champs. Better than any Irish side. And I don't know much about rugby. Beat both Irish sides.

    Am I wrong?

    Saracens are the champions of the European Cup. This is a different competition.

    It’d be like saying they shouldn’t bother playing the FA Cup final because neither team are in the Champions League in soccer. Except slightly dafter because this is the primary domestic competition for Leinster and Munster


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    bobbyss wrote: »
    Saracens are the champs. Better than any Irish side. And I don't know much about rugby. Beat both Irish sides.

    Am I wrong?


    NZ won the WC, better than any other side in the World...


    So should ever other team in every other competition just stop playing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    bobbyss wrote: »
    Saracens are the champs. Better than any Irish side. And I don't know much about rugby. Beat both Irish sides.

    Am I wrong?

    Saracens are the champions of the European Cup. This is a different competition.

    It’d be like saying they shouldn’t bother playing the FA Cup final because neither team are in the Champions League in soccer. Except slightly dafter because this is the primary domestic competition for Leinster and Munster

    Just on this. Squidge uploaded his video on the final and he's absolutely right that if that game was repeated this weekend, you still wouldn't know who to pick to win it. They're so evenly matched.

    In ten years time we might be looking back at this as the golden age of several Saracens/Leinster finals in a row.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    troyzer wrote: »

    In ten years time we might be looking back at this as the golden age of several Saracens/Leinster finals in a row.

    Nah no thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    troyzer wrote: »

    In ten years time we might be looking back at this as the golden age of several Saracens/Leinster finals in a row.

    Nah no thanks.

    I think it's pretty obvious that those two teams are heads and shoulders above all other teams.

    Obviously I'm biased as a Leinster fan and teams do change but it would likely reflect the best two teams in the final for the foreseeable future if it were to happen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    This is one of the strangest build up threads I've seen in a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,409 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    bobbyss wrote: »
    Saracens are the champs. Better than any Irish side. And I don't know much about rugby. Beat both Irish sides.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes Saracens are better than both Leinster and Munster currently that’s how sports work, what exactly do you think should happen now? Should other competitions not featuring Saracens not finish up? The French league maybe or possibly super rugby is wasting its time?

    You don’t need to reiterate your point about not knowing much about rugby nobody here needs that prompt from you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    troyzer wrote: »
    I think it's pretty obvious that those two teams are heads and shoulders above all other teams.

    Obviously I'm biased as a Leinster fan and teams do change but it would likely reflect the best two teams in the final for the foreseeable future if it were to happen.

    Obviously having watched the final it would seem Saracens are considerably better than Leinster as well.

    Also I disagree with your other comment, if they played again this weekend Saracens would beat ye again. That's how good they are at the minute. And i'm not being petty that's how I see it, just as they would beat Munster also. 20 unanswered points is very dominant but fair is fair Leinster did pull away from Sararcens at times in the 1st half.

    So you can try to lump yourselves in with Saracens as much as you want but they beat you very convincingly in the end. Lets be honest here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    troyzer wrote: »
    I think it's pretty obvious that those two teams are heads and shoulders above all other teams.

    Obviously I'm biased as a Leinster fan and teams do change but it would likely reflect the best two teams in the final for the foreseeable future if it were to happen.

    Obviously having watched the final it would seem Saracens are considerably better than Leinster as well.

    Also I disagree with your other comment, if they played again this weekend Saracens would beat ye again. That's how good they are at the minute. And i'm not being petty that's how I see it, just as they would beat Munster also. 20 unanswered points is very dominant but fair is fair Leinster did pull away from Sararcens at times in the 1st half.

    So you can try to lump yourselves in with Saracens as much as you want but they beat you very convincingly in the end. Lets be honest here.

    I would strongly disagree that Saracens are considerably better. Leinster made a handful of unforced errors that would have completely changed the game. Saracens were more clinical and deserved the win. They were the better team.

    A repeat next week and I wouldn't be surprised if Leinster came out on top.

    We'll have to agree to disagree. I think you might be only remembering the last 20 minutes when Saracens did start to pull away. It was a contest for the first 60 and Leinster were on top as often as not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    troyzer wrote: »
    I would strongly disagree that Saracens are considerably better. Leinster made a handful of unforced errors that would have completely changed the game. Saracens were more clinical and deserved the win. They were the better team.

    A repeat next week and I wouldn't be surprised if Leinster came out on top.

    We'll have to agree to disagree. I think you might be only remembering the last 20 minutes when Saracens did start to pull away. It was a contest for the first 60 and Leinster were on top as often as not.


    We could go back down the Leinster v Saracens match thread but I think it is still the same different groups of fans. Group A and Group B.

    I think we are better off leaving it in the other thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    troyzer wrote: »
    I would strongly disagree that Saracens are considerably better. Leinster made a handful of unforced errors that would have completely changed the game. Saracens were more clinical and deserved the win. They were the better team.

    A repeat next week and I wouldn't be surprised if Leinster came out on top.

    We'll have to agree to disagree. I think you might be only remembering the last 20 minutes when Saracens did start to pull away. It was a contest for the first 60 and Leinster were on top as often as not.

    I think you're being a true biased fan which is fair enough (we all are a bit) and yes I think Leinster were just that little bit better in the first half but after that Saracens just looked dangerous with ball in hand and their scrum was unreal good. They surged and overwhelmed Leinster very convincingly.

    I guess what i'm saying is Saracens are head and shoulders above all other teams this year. IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    In a shocking turn of events, the european champions are the best team in europe this year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    This is one of the strangest build up threads I've seen in a while.


    The game has a dead rubber feel to it I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,998 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    I think some on here are not willing to see the dominance Sarries had during that game, keeping it to 10 points was good going by Leinster, had Sarries gotten another try it would have been more reflective of how it went. They were 15-20 points better than Leinster.

    Anyway, looking forward to the game on Saturday, first trip to the horseyhouse in a few seasons for me, have been polishing up the accent all week to make it palatable for the locals


  • Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭durthacht


    This is one of the strangest build up threads I've seen in a while.

    Full moon this weekend. A Leinster-Munster match coinciding with that was always asking for trouble. :)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 442 ✭✭freak scence


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Have you gone to games before or this your first game?


    I wouldn't advise a young child going to game. A 3 year will want to walk around and the noise will be too much for them....A rugby match is not really a place for young children


    Especially one on a Saturday afternoon with the pints flowing from early

    so you can't bring a kid to a game because everyone is locked ? very sad post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,501 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    durthacht wrote: »
    Full moon this weekend. A Leinster-Munster match coinciding with that was always asking for trouble. :)

    I thought the full moon was already on display last weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    leakyboots wrote: »
    I think some on here are not willing to see the dominance Sarries had during that game, keeping it to 10 points was good going by Leinster, had Sarries gotten another try it would have been more reflective of how it went. They were 15-20 points better than Leinster.

    Anyway, looking forward to the game on Saturday, first trip to the horseyhouse in a few seasons for me, have been polishing up the accent all week to make it palatable for the locals

    Interestingly Ronan O'Gara was on the radio there midweek and he said the exact opposite of this. Said Leinster were good enough to win it and people are overstating Sarries' dominance in the game


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    so you can't bring a kid to a game because everyone is locked ? very sad post


    Who said everyone was locked?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    so you can't bring a kid to a game because everyone is locked ? very sad post


    Who said everyone was locked?

    It's not that you can't bring a young child to the match. Why would you want to?

    It'll be very loud and there will be lots of extremely passhunate fans, many of them with a few beers on the belly. It's fundamentally not an enjoyable experience for young children who will get bored or distressed or both.

    Even older kids can be difficult to manage. They get bored and wander off. You'll often see a gang of kids punting the ball around behind the South stand or in the pens during the match. Which is fine but you can't let young kids wander off like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,210 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The final was pretty even until the final 20. In fact Leinster could have been 14 points ahead going into that period had they kept their heads better. Saracens had the edge up front and that told the difference in the end. I understand trying to paint it as Leinster and Munster losing the same way. But that's simply not the case. It's easier to accept the loss when you see your great rivals losing to the same team in a final.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    troyzer wrote: »
    It's not that you can't bring a young child to the match. Why would you want to?

    It'll be very loud and there will be lots of extremely passhunate fans, many of them with a few beers on the belly. It's fundamentally not an enjoyable experience for young children who will get bored or distressed or both.

    Even older kids can be difficult to manage. They get bored and wander off. You'll often see a gang of kids punting the ball around behind the South stand or in the pens during the match. Which is fine but you can't let young kids wander off like that.


    You talking to much sense


    I have a 2,4 and 6 year old. I would never even entertain the idea of bringing them to a match. After 5 mins they would be bored and trying to run up and down the stand. Not hugely safe with people walking around.....



    Not hugely fair on the rest of the public trying to watch a game and a 3 year old running around your feet....expect them also to spend entire match kicking the seat in front of them out of pure boredom


    It is not fair on them.....first and foremost......but also it is not fair on other fans trying to go out and enjoy the game......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You talking to much sense





    Not hugely fair on the rest of the public trying to watch a game and a 3 year old running around your feet....expect them also to spend entire match kicking the seat in front of them out of pure boredom


    It is not fair on them.....first and foremost......but also it is not fair on other fans trying to go out and enjoy the game......

    True foor the RDS all right.
    They would be fine at the likes of Thomond though, where running up and down tge empty rows wont disturb anyone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Spot the people who don't have kids.

    There isn't some sort of basic standard child that adheres to all the same expectations and behaviours. Some small kids will be bored or upset. Loads absolutely love the whole event, the crowds, Leo, the lights etc. I wouldn't advocate taking them in the depths of winter but a match in the RDS can be a great family day out if you get there for the build up, bit of food etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Buer wrote: »
    Spot the people who don't have kids.

    There isn't some sort of basic standard child that adheres to all the same expectations and behaviours. Some small kids will be bored or upset. Loads absolutely love the whole event, the crowds, Leo, the lights etc. I wouldn't advocate taking them in the depths of winter but a match in the RDS can be a great family day out if you get there for the build up, bit of food etc.


    It is how quick they get bored, 5 mins after kick off they would be asking how long left. It would be a nightmare


    Even my 4 year old, if I am watching on tv he will come up and say he is watching rugby with Daddy, oh he will sit their....for 3-4 mins then he see something shiny and off....


    RDS has loads of shiny things, loads of them. :p


    Now I have brought my 12 year old cousin quite a number of times till he was 17 and that was perfect, he really enjoyed it and getting so close to the players.....


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