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Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    After the last 2 weekends of rugby I’m reminded of a scene from The Life of Brian:
    What have the English ever done for us?

    Showed us that you must play a FB at FB?

    Ireland need to fast track Larmour at FB v Italy. & probably France.
    Leinster need to alternate him with RK
    Munster need to play Conway at FB
    Ulster need to play Addison at FB

    Larmour has been getting loads of time at fullback for Leinster.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    After the last 2 weekends of rugby I’m reminded of a scene from The Life of Brian:
    What have the English ever done for us?

    Showed us that you must play a FB at FB?

    Ireland need to fast track Larmour at FB v Italy. & probably France.
    Leinster need to alternate him with RK
    Munster need to play Conway at FB
    Ulster need to play Addison at FB

    Do you mean the England who play a center at full back??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Do you mean the England who play a center at full back??

    Ringrose to fullback - confirmed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Do you mean the England who play a center at full back??

    Good point - but I think u know what I mean.
    I think he has played there all during the autumn?
    Played a bit at fb for Wasps?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Daly seems better at fb than Henshaw?
    Not saying Henshaw couldn't develop there, but he was shyte!


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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Good point - but I think u know what I mean.
    I think he has played there all during the autumn?
    Played a bit at fb for Wasps?

    Ah yeah I'm only stirring....

    But I guess it goes to show that versatility is the way forward and the specialists back three players like RK are getting rare.
    Once the half penny, brown, Kearney era finishes I think the international back three player will be interchangable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Ah yeah I'm only stirring....

    But I guess it goes to show that versatility is the way forward and the specialists back three players like RK are getting rare.
    Once the half penny, brown, Kearney era finishes I think the international back three player will be interchangable

    I thought so! U make a good point about versatility for the back three. You do need that versatility in the squad - Daly is probably the best example.
    Addison is Ireland’s version but he is getting vlittle time at FB.
    Right now without RobK, Ireland are in Serious trouble.

    England are leading the way in how to exploit that space in the back field.
    Just to differ on your point about the specialist FB. I would always prefer a vgood FB over a vgood utility player who cover FB the odd time.
    e.g Rob v Huget or Rob v any Irish player.
    Larmour, Conway and Addison all need to be playing FB. & probably every other week at a minimum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    It's as simple as this, whether Kearney has the tournament of his life, plays absolutely terrible or gets injured, a replacement is needed after the World Cup. Anyone can say we are in alot of trouble if we don't have Kearney, I call BS on the overzealous and knee jerk reaction media.

    Before the Six Nations we were lauding the depth we have and we also mentioned how we have Larmour, Conway, Addison and Henshaw to come in right off the bat. Nothing has changed, people are willing to crap all over Henshaw because he had some trouble with a lethal English back 3 and one of the top Rugby Teams in the world, yes he made some poor decisions and his kicking was hit and miss but his tackling was good and he looked alot more potent then Kearney with ball in hand. I wouldn't play Kearney against Italy or France, this is your chance to see what you got. I'd go with Larmour against France and Henshaw against Italy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    There are a maximum of 15 points left for Ireland who are on 4. England are on 10.

    Even if Wales beat England and we try bonus our last three games (including in Cardiff) England will probably still win. They have Italy at home which is a guaranteed try bonus and then Scotland at home which they'll probably win which would leave them on 19 at least. England are miles ahead on points difference so no joy there.

    It's over in my book. England would basically need to lose against Scotland AND Wales for us to have any chance.

    I think we'll be playing for second at best on the last day.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Elsa Narrow Witch


    We had no chance of winning the championship after getting done by 0-5 match points by England.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    We had no chance of winning the championship after getting done by 0-5 match points by England.

    I think there would have been an outside chance had we picked up 5 against Scotland and England only got 4 against France.

    Then it's a 9-5 table and suddenly England have to go to Cardiff and we have to go to Rome.

    Then you're looking at potentially 10-9 Ireland/England with Wales on 12 and all to play for in the final two rounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    troyzer wrote: »
    There are a maximum of 15 points left for Ireland who are on 4. England are on 10.

    Even if Wales beat England and we try bonus our last three games (including in Cardiff) England will probably still win. They have Italy at home which is a guaranteed try bonus and then Scotland at home which they'll probably win which would leave them on 19 at least. England are miles ahead on points difference so no joy there.

    It's over in my book. England would basically need to lose against Scotland AND Wales for us to have any chance.

    I think we'll be playing for second at best on the last day.

    Yeah and could see them getting 2 tbp wins in next 3 matches. Even if they lost one game with a lbp, they will still finish top. Could see them getting GS at this point. Don't think Wales or Scotland will have enough to beat them this season. Happily to be proven wrong though! If England got 5 tbp wins would that be the first tbp GS since the bonus points system was used?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    I’m pretty hopeful Quinn roux will surprise a few, he’s been excellent for Connacht and joe seems to trust him
    stephen_n wrote: »
    I don't doubt that Roux will deliver a good performance, but set piece is so important to how we play, especially the line out. I really hope he steps up there with his calling.
    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Im pretty sure it will, its his kind of game to shine in..... he will help we ensure good ball retention, he'll tackle like a demon around the fringes.

    the line out is the only area that i think is a bit unknown, but we now have 5 very able jumpers with Conan and SOB joining the ranks, who are probably that bit more of a jumping option than stander and VDF


    Ye called it well lads!

    https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1094581347530752000


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Zzippy wrote: »

    I think anybody who has watched Quinn Roux for Ireland would have been able to guess this. He always does the job when he's required to.

    The level of criticism towards him before even playing this week was ridiculous. Neil Francis can join Ewan McKenna on the list of people who need to f*ck off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I think anybody who has watched Quinn Roux for Ireland would have been able to guess this. He always does the job when he's required to.

    The level of criticism towards him before even playing this week was ridiculous. Neil Francis can join Ewan McKenna on the list of people who need to f*ck off.

    I think it was Francis who made a comment about him after the italy game in Chicago. something to the effect of "any game that makes Quinn Roux look like an international player .. something something shut down Connauught?"

    It was just so unnecessarily mean to single out a guy who had done a good job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Roux did well. That doesn't mean that it was unreasonable to question whether he was up to it, and I don't think anyone here was particularly dismissive of him.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    https://www.the42.ie/ireland-world-cup-schmidt-six-nations-4487243-Feb2019/

    This is certainly interesting comments from Schmidt. For anyone who can't access it in work, he is basically saying we've done well in the six nations under him, so if it goes a bit tits up this year it's fine cause the world cup is at the end of the year and it gives guys experience. Certainly seems like the WC is the focus, which would be quite the change in approach for an Irish team (and a welcome one IMO).


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Mr Tickle wrote: »
    I think it was Francis who made a comment about him after the italy game in Chicago. something to the effect of "any game that makes Quinn Roux look like an international player .. something something shut down Connauught?"

    It was just so unnecessarily mean to single out a guy who had done a good job.

    Its ironic Francis slagging off Roux when he himself was a useless lump for Ireland for years


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Roux did well. That doesn't mean that it was unreasonable to question whether he was up to it, and I don't think anyone here was particularly dismissive of him.

    Ah now at least one poster decided for some reason to single him out last week and say he should never be in squad again.

    Anyone who questioned hasn’t paid much attention to Roux in an Ireland jersey.

    He’s not Beirne or Henderson and he’s probably not going to make rampaging carries (notwithstanding his improvement as a carrier) or win multiple turnovers but he will carry out the core duties of a second row to a very high level.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Roux did well. That doesn't mean that it was unreasonable to question whether he was up to it, and I don't think anyone here was particularly dismissive of him.

    But the fact remained that he was the next best selection.

    Starting him over Henderson and Toner if they were both fit would be questionable, but this wasn't the case. He was the next best option for this game and being critical of him when it was a situation that couldn't be fixed and when he had shown no reason to believe he wouldn't be up for it was grossly unfair.

    It's this scapegoating of more traditional players (ala Kearney, Heaslip, Best etc.) and wanting to see more explosive, highlight-reel type players wanting to play.

    A lot of critics of Roux on here didn't care less that he was the only option to call the line out, they wanted the more athletic Dillane playing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    awec wrote: »
    https://www.the42.ie/ireland-world-cup-schmidt-six-nations-4487243-Feb2019/

    This is certainly interesting comments from Schmidt. For anyone who can't access it in work, he is basically saying we've done well in the six nations under him, so if it goes a bit tits up this year it's fine cause the world cup is at the end of the year and it gives guys experience. Certainly seems like the WC is the focus, which would be quite the change in approach for an Irish team (and a welcome one IMO).

    I guess the England result may have influenced that a bit too? But in a RWC year good to see some planning ahead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Ah now at least one poster decided for some reason to single him out last week and say he should never be in squad again.

    Anyone who questioned hasn’t paid much attention to Roux in an Ireland jersey.

    He’s not Beirne or Henderson and he’s probably not going to make rampaging carries (notwithstanding his improvement as a carrier) or win multiple turnovers but he will carry out the core duties of a second row to a very high level.

    Not having a go at Roux but this is the level we're at now. We're not looking for players who are competent in their positions, we're looking for players to stand out in their positions. To be able to perform above the minimum standards. Roux had a fine game as did other players like Best but they don't do what Henderson or Beirne can do, change a game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    In relation to Schmidt's comments, we'll see. If there is a different approach for the year that's in it, we'll see different halfbacks start against Italy and POM get a week off to look at one of the contenders for a RWC spot such as Ruddock or Murphy.

    Carbery still badly needs more exposure at test level. He's at the point now where he's starting to look relatively comfortable at test level without really making much happen. He'll only get that level of awareness and confidence from more pitch time. With Sexton's HIA, there's no reason for Carbery not to be starting the Italian game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Buer wrote: »
    In relation to Schmidt's comments, we'll see. If there is a different approach for the year that's in it, we'll see different halfbacks start against Italy and POM get a week off to look at one of the contenders for a RWC spot such as Ruddock or Murphy.

    Carbery still badly needs more exposure at test level. He's at the point now where he's starting to look relatively comfortable at test level without really making much happen. He'll only get that level of awareness and confidence from more pitch time. With Sexton's HIA, there's no reason for Carbery not to be starting the Italian game.

    Yeah I think the HIA decision might make that decision. Otherwise Schmidt night have gone with JS and Murray again because not sure they have fully clicked fully this 6N just yet. Think on pool stages of RWC you could see some changes so might as well try them out in 6N in advance


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Perifect wrote: »
    Not having a go at Roux but this is the level we're at now. We're not looking for players who are competent in their positions, we're looking for players to stand out in their positions. To be able to perform above the minimum standards. Roux had a fine game as did other players like Best but they don't do what Henderson or Beirne can do, change a game.

    What’s your point? Henderson and Beirne weren’t available. What Roux did is basically exactly what would be expected of Toner. Somebody has to do the ugly stuff which is as important as the flashier stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Buer wrote: »
    In relation to Schmidt's comments, we'll see. If there is a different approach for the year that's in it, we'll see different halfbacks start against Italy and POM get a week off to look at one of the contenders for a RWC spot such as Ruddock or Murphy.

    Carbery still badly needs more exposure at test level. He's at the point now where he's starting to look relatively comfortable at test level without really making much happen. He'll only get that level of awareness and confidence from more pitch time. With Sexton's HIA, there's no reason for Carbery not to be starting the Italian game.

    Would prefer to see Carbery with Murray. Maybe play Marmion with Sexton against France. It’s unlikely we’re without both half backs so game time between the starter and back ups more important.


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    That's a big performance from Roux just when Ireland needed it. Bit of credit in the bank now.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Perifect wrote: »
    Not having a go at Roux but this is the level we're at now. We're not looking for players who are competent in their positions, we're looking for players to stand out in their positions. To be able to perform above the minimum standards. Roux had a fine game as did other players like Best but they don't do what Henderson or Beirne can do, change a game.

    But Roux is arguably our 5th choice lock. People expecting our 5th choice to be up to the standard of arguably our second (a Lion) are completely and utterly delusional.

    He came in and did the bread and butter, and worked harder around the breakdown (which was something desperately needed after the England game) than any other Irish forward and also called the lineout as well as Toner or Henderson would.

    He did all of that and we won. What else is needed from him?

    There's always questions over whether Roux is up to the task and every time he shows that he is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Would prefer to see Carbery with Murray. Maybe play Marmion with Sexton against France. It’s unlikely we’re without both half backs so game time between the starter and back ups more important.

    Fair point and I think Murray might need another game anyway. No better clash for him to get his confidence up and find his radar again. I think it's more important that Carbery gets the run out at this point than Marmion anyway.

    I don't think we'll see wholesale changes but I do reckon we could see 5 or 6 which will include some injured players coming back in such as Ringrose, Henderson/Beirne, Henshaw etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Healy, Best, Porter, Ryan, Beirne*/Henderson*/Roux, POM, JVDF, Conan;
    Murray, Carbery, Stockdale, Aki, Ringrose*/Farrell, Earls, Kearney

    Scannell, Kilcoyne, Furlong, Dillane, SOB, Cooney, Carty, Henshaw*/Larmour

    *if fit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Perifect wrote: »
    Not having a go at Roux but this is the level we're at now. We're not looking for players who are competent in their positions, we're looking for players to stand out in their positions. To be able to perform above the minimum standards. Roux had a fine game as did other players like Best but they don't do what Henderson or Beirne can do, change a game.

    Yes, because all of our players need to do the flashy stuff like big carries and turnovers. Sure we can ignore all the other stuff like clearing rucks and protecting our own ball, that simply doesn't make one stand out and it's quite simply not good enough... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I think anybody who has watched Quinn Roux for Ireland would have been able to guess this. He always does the job when he's required to.

    The level of criticism towards him before even playing this week was ridiculous. Neil Francis can join Ewan McKenna on the list of people who need to f*ck off.

    Francis has been on that list since oh, at least 1996...


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Healy, Best, Porter, Ryan, Beirne*/Henderson*/Roux, POM, JVDF, Conan;
    Murray, Carbery, Stockdale, Aki, Ringrose*/Farrell, Earls, Kearney

    Scannell, Kilcoyne, Furlong, Dillane, SOB, Cooney, Carty, Henshaw*/Larmour

    *if fit

    Id be very surprised if Beirne starts ahead of Roux for the simple reason that Roux is a line-out caller.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Id be very surprised if Beirne starts ahead of Roux for the simple reason that Roux is a line-out caller.

    the three being fit... henderson starts


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    I see a lot of people saying Roux is 4th or 5th choice lock and that he wouldn’t have been there had Henderson or Beirne been fit. Surely Roux is 3rd choice though? After all, we need a line out caller in the side. Toner, Henderson and Roux are the callers at the moment. Had Beirne been fit Roux would still have started ahead of him on that basis. We should be looking at our depth at lock on that basis.

    Lineout callers: Toner, Henderson, Roux
    Non-lineout callers: Ryan, Beirne, Dillane


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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I see a lot of people saying Roux is 4th or 5th choice lock and that he wouldn’t have been there had Henderson or Beirne been fit. Surely Roux is 3rd choice though? After all, we need a line out caller in the side. Toner, Henderson and Roux are the callers at the moment. Had Beirne been fit Roux would still have started ahead of him on that basis. We should be looking at our depth at lock on that basis.

    Lineout callers: Toner, Henderson, Roux
    Non-lineout callers: Ryan, Beirne, Dillane

    I was referring to both loose and tight locks when I should have been referring to the above, in all fairness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I see a lot of people saying Roux is 4th or 5th choice lock and that he wouldn’t have been there had Henderson or Beirne been fit. Surely Roux is 3rd choice though? After all, we need a line out caller in the side. Toner, Henderson and Roux are the callers at the moment. Had Beirne been fit Roux would still have started ahead of him on that basis. We should be looking at our depth at lock on that basis.

    Lineout callers: Toner, Henderson, Roux
    Non-lineout callers: Ryan, Beirne, Dillane

    It is also a case of tighthead and loosehead locks. Ask Tadhg Furlong if he'd rather have Dillane behind him in the scrum or an extra 10kg of South African beef.

    That's why I won't be surprised if Jean Kleyn is in the mix come August.

    In the meantime, Ryan needs to learn how to call a lineout.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    What’s your point? Henderson and Beirne weren’t available. What Roux did is basically exactly what would be expected of Toner. Somebody has to do the ugly stuff which is as important as the flashier stuff.

    My point is that we need players to have the ability to do the ugly stuff and the game changing stuff. That's the level we're at. That's why Best's position could be under threat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    Faugheen wrote: »
    But Roux is arguably our 5th choice lock. People expecting our 5th choice to be up to the standard of arguably our second (a Lion) are completely and utterly delusional.

    He came in and did the bread and butter, and worked harder around the breakdown (which was something desperately needed after the England game) than any other Irish forward and also called the lineout as well as Toner or Henderson would.

    He did all of that and we won. What else is needed from him?

    There's always questions over whether Roux is up to the task and every time he shows that he is.

    He had a good game. He's a competent replacement, it's just we have game changers ahead of him on the list. That's all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Yes, because all of our players need to do the flashy stuff like big carries and turnovers. Sure we can ignore all the other stuff like clearing rucks and protecting our own ball, that simply doesn't make one stand out and it's quite simply not good enough... :rolleyes:

    If we had 15 players of a similar standard to Roux we'd get nowhere, we need world class. That's what we should be aiming for anyway?


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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Perifect wrote: »
    He had a good game. He's a competent replacement, it's just we have game changers ahead of him on the list. That's all.

    The only people ahead of Roux are Toner and Henderson. Tadhg Beirne isn’t.

    It’s a conversation we’ve had before and I’m not interested in having it again, but if you think Beirne is a head of Roux in this scenario, then you would be wrong.

    Beirne is in competition with James Ryan.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Perifect wrote: »
    If we had 15 players of a similar standard to Roux we'd get nowhere, we need world class. That's what we should be aiming for anyway?

    We do have those players but they’re injured at the moment.

    Toner, Henderson both down. Roux needs to be at their level to come in and do a job? That’s absolutely ridiculous.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Perifect wrote: »
    If we had 15 players of a similar standard to Roux we'd get nowhere, we need world class. That's what we should be aiming for anyway?

    NZ won a World Cup with Steven Donald coming on after 34 minutes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I see a lot of people saying Roux is 4th or 5th choice lock and that he wouldn’t have been there had Henderson or Beirne been fit. Surely Roux is 3rd choice though? After all, we need a line out caller in the side. Toner, Henderson and Roux are the callers at the moment. Had Beirne been fit Roux would still have started ahead of him on that basis. We should be looking at our depth at lock on that basis.

    Lineout callers: Toner, Henderson, Roux
    Non-lineout callers: Ryan, Beirne, Dillane

    Interesting insight into the lineout from Donnacha Ryan. Dev Toner is the man!

    https://www.herald.ie/sport/rugby/donnacha-still-feels-part-of-irelands-lineout-legacy-37762155.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭case885


    molloyjh wrote:
    Lineout callers: Toner, Henderson, Roux Non-lineout callers: Ryan, Beirne, Dillane


    Beirne took over calling Munsters lineout so that's incorrect.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Murray Kinsella does a good piece analysing Carbery's performance at the weekend. Some good, some bad with the bad appearing to be largely down to incorrect decisions or organisation rather than execution.

    https://www.the42.ie/joey-carbery-ireland-scotland-analysis-4487386-Feb2019/

    If he is going to be our back up to Sexton, it's essential that he gets at least 3 starts between now and the RWC as well as starting the games against lesser opposition at the tournament. He needs to get more comfortable in that role and quick. He was clearly bervous in that spell before half time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    case885 wrote: »
    Beirne took over calling Munsters lineout so that's incorrect.

    he has but it hasn't been amazing this year. And it's a new enough skill for him so i don't know that he'll be taking it on for Ireland for a while. I guess there's only so much time in training for guys to be learning it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Buer wrote: »
    Murray Kinsella does a good piece analysing Carbery's performance at the weekend. Some good, some bad with the bad appearing to be largely down to incorrect decisions or organisation rather than execution.

    https://www.the42.ie/joey-carbery-ireland-scotland-analysis-4487386-Feb2019/

    If he is going to be our back up to Sexton, it's essential that he gets at least 3 starts between now and the RWC as well as starting the games against lesser opposition at the tournament. He needs to get more comfortable in that role and quick. He was clearly bervous in that spell before half time.

    He'll get Italy, maybe France, at least one of the warmups and hopefully three European knock out games as well as a few Pro14 games.

    He would have learned loads from yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    Buer wrote: »
    Murray Kinsella does a good piece analysing Carbery's performance at the weekend. Some good, some bad with the bad appearing to be largely down to incorrect decisions or organisation rather than execution.

    https://www.the42.ie/joey-carbery-ireland-scotland-analysis-4487386-Feb2019/

    If he is going to be our back up to Sexton, it's essential that he gets at least 3 starts between now and the RWC as well as starting the games against lesser opposition at the tournament. He needs to get more comfortable in that role and quick. He was clearly bervous in that spell before half time.

    This in spades. Carberry is yet to have a very good game for Ireland. He needs to be given time to get comfortable. Our third choice needs sub time too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Perifect wrote: »
    If we had 15 players of a similar standard to Roux we'd get nowhere, we need world class. That's what we should be aiming for anyway?

    Roux isn't first choice. We do have 15 players who are all better at their job than Roux is at his. That's why he's not first choice. You expect a 3rd choice lock to be at the same level as first choice players. That's just silly.

    Edit: Silly is the most polite word I can think of.


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