WRH proposed downgrade - protest on Saturday the 23rd of Feb

Aquos76 · 17-02-2013 3:33pm

Renamed there now

justbored · 17-02-2013 3:34pm

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Sully · 18-02-2013 1:53pm

Looks like the plan to look at this is on the cards earlier than expected.

I would suggest reminding your local TDs and Senators of your opposition by email and by joining the protest on the 23rd. I would still remind the Minister of Health and other key Ministers, even though they will say its an issue for our local representatives, so they are reminded of the strong opposition.

So instead of being a keyboard warrior, moaning and complaining - DO SOMETHING!

Dan133269 · 18-02-2013 2:06pm

I got this reply from Ciara Conway today, as good as can be expected as far as stances go, I suppose:

I can confirm that there was a private meeting with Minister Reilly on Wednesday looking at the Higgins report which was leaked to some media outlets. The report is still unpublished – I myself have yet to see a copy.

However, from the information that’s available to me at the moment, I understand that there are two options as follows:

1) That the SE Hospital Network would be broken up. This would see Waterford and South Tipp Connected to Cork and Wexford, whilst Kilkenny would be linked to Dublin. I am totally opposed to this option and have made members of cabinet aware of my stance on this in no uncertain terms. We know from the offset that this measure was contained in the Higgins report.

2) However there is also a second option contained in the appendix of the report which allows for the South East Network to remain as a regional network but which would see a new single management structure put in place . This, of course, is my preferred option. Minister Reilly is very clear on my stance on this as are the Taoiseach , the Tanaiste and all the cabinet Ministers to whom I have written to in detail about WRH and the South East region.

The report has yet to go to cabinet but it is expected to do so in the next week or two .

I am continually putting pressure on, and having meetings with, all the senior members of my party of this issue, and I am also working with my government colleagues in Waterford on the issue.

I will not pre-empt what actions I am going to take at this stage but let me assure you Danny that the fight continues in earnest.

Kind regards,

Ciara.

I'm not quite sure what the 2nd option actually means in practice, however.

Deisetrek · 21-02-2013 7:21am

This is it Lads and Ladies , Waterford is at the last chance saloon on this one . please get out on Saturday and support the campaign . As one poster said on Facebook " how will you feel in 5 years time when you're ferrying a loved one to either Cork or Dublin for a service that was once on your own doorstep , in the knowledge that you did nothing when you had the chance to show your support ?" . I know it's due to be a cold one , and that the decision may already have been made , but wouldn't it send a powerful message to Reilly if Waterford and the surrounding areas turned out in huge numbers again .

7upfree · 22-02-2013 1:34pm

Sully wrote: »

Lets just hold back until we hear the full facts and not listen to 'reliable' sources.

Like O'Reilly?:rolleyes:

7upfree · 22-02-2013 1:36pm

Sully wrote: »

So instead of being a keyboard warrior, moaning and complainingPOINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS AND PUTTING WATERFORD BEFORE A POLITICAL PARTY

FYP.

Not The Real Scarecrow · 22-02-2013 2:27pm

7upfree wrote: »

Like O'Reilly?:rolleyes:

7upfree wrote: »

FYP.

How very insightful.

Deisetrek · 22-02-2013 2:32pm

Praying for a huge turnout again .Unfortunately the huge turnout in November may be hard to match ,which could send all the wrong signals to Reilly,who'll see it as opportunty to really stitch it into us.Primetime last nite is worth a watch on RTE player if you want to see where the hospital and region is at. I'm actually of the opinion this one is MORE important than Novembers ,wolf is at the door now.

7upfree · 22-02-2013 6:52pm

Meatwad wrote: »

How very insightful.

Yeah, the truth is bitter. Sarcasm never outweighs reality. Much as you want it to.:)

7upfree · 22-02-2013 6:54pm

Deisetrek wrote: »

Praying for a huge turnout again .Unfortunately the huge turnout in November may be hard to match ,which could send all the wrong signals to Reilly,who'll see it as opportunty to really stitch it into us.Primetime last nite is worth a watch on RTE player if you want to see where the hospital and region is at. I'm actually of the opinion this one is MORE important than Novembers ,wolf is at the door now.

Interesting to see the thumbs up by the usual suspects when criticism of the Government is itself criticised. But no thumbs up for your comments. Says it al really.

Cabaal · 22-02-2013 7:08pm

7upfree wrote: »

Interesting to see the thumbs up by the usual suspects when criticism of the Government is itself criticised. But no thumbs up for your comments. Says it al really.

Says alot for the campaign i guess...of course it likely means nothing as a "thanks" in no way means somebody won't attend a protest, if of course you want to think it does then perhaps far too many people in Waterford don't really care?

Sully · 22-02-2013 7:45pm

I love people whose only response to someones criticism of them or an alternative point of view to theirs is that they must be a supporter of the original argument.

Maybe, just maybe, people are getting fed up with the drivel and that's the only reason?

22-02-2013 7:56pm

Well hopefully everyone that can will get out and protest tomorrow because if WRH is downgraded it will be more jobs gone from the region and more importantly down the line it will cost lives and thats something nobody can deny

7upfree · 22-02-2013 8:37pm

Sully wrote: »

I love people whose only response to someones criticism of them or an alternative point of view to theirs is that they must be a supporter of the original argument.

Maybe, just maybe, people are getting fed up with the drivel and that's the only reason?

You're right Sully. What's coming from the Government and their self-perpetuating hacks is indeed drivel. Well done for spotting it.:)

Max Powers · 22-02-2013 9:27pm

is it meeting at 2-4 and marching at 4 presume?

Deisetrek · 22-02-2013 11:53pm

No Marching at 2pm from Ballybricken Green , speeches are then as far as I know from the steps of the City hall on the Mall .

Sully · 23-02-2013 5:11pm

Great to see a good strong crowd out there today. Now its squeaky bum time and we hope that the people of Waterfords voice is ringing in the ears of the cabinet and James Reilly. There comes a point where people will simply say 'Enough is Enough'.

Dunmoreroader · 23-02-2013 5:54pm

Sully wrote: »

Great to see a good strong crowd out there today. Now its squeaky bum time and we hope that the people of Waterfords voice is ringing in the ears of the cabinet and James Reilly. There comes a point where people will simply say 'Enough is Enough'.

Agreed, though hopefully it's the people of the Southeast's voices and not just those of Waterford. Great speech from the youngfella; I'd vote for him if he was standing in the next election ahead of any of the current bunch of ...........incumbents.

7upfree · 23-02-2013 7:05pm

Sully wrote: »

Great to see a good strong crowd out there today. Now its squeaky bum time and we hope that the people of Waterfords voice is ringing in the ears of the cabinet and James Reilly. There comes a point where people will simply say 'Enough is Enough'.

Isn't that what our elected "representatives" are supposed to do? The young chap that spoke today had more passion in the tips of his fingers than those three have.

With their mundane press releases in Waterford today in the week that the hospital is under threat. NOT ONE WORD about WRH. It is truly sickening.

mccarthy37 · 23-02-2013 8:11pm

I thought there was a lot of people sitting in their cars going up the quay against the march that could have swelled the crowd. I wonder what is the next piece of theft planned for our town by this administration before they get booted out. Maybe I have just said it I meant to say city.

7upfree · 23-02-2013 8:28pm

mccarthy37 wrote: »

I thought there was a lot of people sitting in their cars going up the quay against the march that could have swelled the crowd. I wonder what is the next piece of theft planned for our town by this administration before they get booted out. Maybe I have just said it I meant to say city.

Indeed. An attack from all sides. Much as the revolting FG hacks and drones would try to convince you otherwise.
:mad:

nice_very · 24-02-2013 4:09am

Sully wrote: »

Great to see a good strong crowd out there today. Now its squeaky bum time and we hope that the people of Waterfords voice is ringing in the ears of the cabinet and James Reilly. There comes a point where people will simply say 'Enough is Enough'.

ringing in the ears of the cabinet? the barrack street band you mean???? perhaps only 25% (of family fun day part 1) turned out for "family fun day part 2" due to people actually copping on as to what this campaign is all about.. I saw an interesting post asking if the 3 Waterford TD's would resign the party whip if this higgins report is passed and the hospital network broken up.

Ignoring, and being downright disrespectful of, other campaigns in Waterford, save Waterford (the self proclaimed non political, peaceful, agenda free campaign) have lost a lot of respect IMO. They continue to censor, delete and disregard any idea or opinion that does not come from within their own clique, (which includes a FF councillor) I wonder what FG spin you can put on that Sully.

Am Chile · 24-02-2013 5:03am

To be honest quite a number of things have turned me off the save waterford campaign - (1) after attending the previous save waterford march in November I was very put off attending another march organised by the same group-a lot of people I talked to felt the November march was a missed opportunity they had the numbers out for the day-but when we all marched we might as well as being walking on a funeral march as it completely silent walk protest-some people might say the tds would of felt under pressure that day-well from where I was standing marching behind Ciara Conway was in front of me grinning and laughing walking along some pressure she must of being under when shes laughing at the whole march-whereas if there had of being a chant going save our hospital or labour out-I doubt she would of being laughing then. (2) I dont like the way anyone wth alternative point of view constantly have their posts censored or deleted from the save waterford page-some examples I refer to one fellow put up a comment last weekend saying he felt it would more effective protest if people were to down tools and march on a weekda' his comment soon disppeared from the page-some other people put up posts about the previous protest being a silent march their posts disappeared too-someone else put up a post stating his opinion a protest should of being called when O Reilly came to WRH some people turned on the fellow straight away for daring to have a different opinion to them. (3) non politcal ? I find it ironic they claim to be non politcal when a fianna counciller along with a ex PD appears to be involved in their campaign as they attended the meeting in mount sign last weekend- they said on the facebook recently they dont support political parties yet a few weeks ago they put up a post promoting a (Direct Democracy Ireland ) public meeting on february 6th-dont get me wrong Im not saying about DDI-if they claim to not support any political parties yet promote a public meeting for a political party on their page their claim to not support any political party is a contradiction.

Royal Legend · 24-02-2013 1:04pm

Here goes, I don't think it helps when socialist groups try to hi jack the marches under their banner. They don't speak for me and I am sure they don't speak for the majority of people in Waterford and the South East, otherwise they would have three extra TD's in Waterford instead of one. (By the way, I have some time for John Halligan)
As for our other 3 TD's they are a total disgrace. I await the reports findings on Tuesday, the subsequent government vote and how the three of them will act, maybe one will stand tall and make a stand, my guess is that all three will row behind their parties and fkuc us over and make comments about "for the good of the country" or go completely into hiding.
Lastly, I agree with the earlier poster, the marches need to be more vocal, they should have been targetted at a c*** like Reilly when he visited, have it on a workday, I would take time off work to attend, make it mean something, ask local companies to let their staff off for a couple of hours. This decision, if it goes ahead, will have huge implications for Waterford and the South East. I am under no illusion that Waterford as a whole is being downgraded.

When you look at the history of the oldest "City" in Ireland, the way it has been treated over the years, the continued sidelining of the city, its a bit like the Vikings attacking us again, Reilly even has the beard and the ignorant demeanour to go with it as well.

jad2007 · 24-02-2013 1:12pm

The same two city councillors are prominent in all recent protests. Now thats not saying they are there for the wrong reasons. Personally I think if a group wants to be non political they should exclude all politicians from their planning meetings.

The downside of having politicians onboard is that it erodes credibility of a group.

Royal Legend · 24-02-2013 2:38pm

The majority of people vote for the main parties, FF, FG, Lab and to a lesser extent SF.
I would be one of those and I also think a lot of people gave Ciara Conway a preference vote to keep FG honest, something that they have not followed through on.

If WRH is to be downgraded, Ciara Conway and Labour have to make a stand, if they don't I think it will be the end of the strong Labour vote in Waterford.

In relation to the socialist councillors, I have not doubt that they are in the fight for the right reasons, but in the past these same people have done enormous damage to Waterford, which is seen by business outsite of the city as militant. From my own dealings with major companies, I have seen at first hand the negative aspect of companies response to militant action, it may not happen straight away, but eventually they pull business from factories that dare challenge them, Waterford Crystal being a case in point. It is part of what Waterford is perceived as and it continues to be a problem in relation to bringing major business to the City.

Sully · 24-02-2013 3:00pm

Someone check my temperature because I am slightly agreeing with Am Chile here! I'm rather surprised at the comments Chile has made though, I always took you as a "anything anti-government goes" and you couldn't give a damn about it having political ties!

To be fair to Save Waterford, they said themselves the "are not experts" (their words, not mine before someone tries lynching me). They asked people not to make it political and have pointed out any TDs that attend the protest are doing so for their own personal reasons. They asked not to bring any political banners, but sure, people will always hijack an occasion with large numbers to spread their gospel. But their Facebook page is leaning towards general government bashing comments rather than keeping it just to Waterford Hospital. I don't think they can refuse politicians attending meetings unless they are having a strong role in it or speaking - which the other campaign for Waterford allows. But I do see your point.

As for it being silent - silent or chants, its not going to make a difference. Its a show of strength. Its to show the government and James Reilly that consistently the people of Waterford are in large numbers against any cuts. They know from experience that a constituency that is angry is one not to be messed with unless they don't have a care for it politically. So shouting and roaring wont get us anywhere. Likewise, a week day or weekend wont make a difference and asking employers who are struggling to shut up shop or leave staff go for a few hours would be outrageous. It wouldn't work. Attacking politicians when they attend functions isn't something I agree with either (not to save their blushes).

A march to the Dail seemed the most appropriate next step but we wouldn't have had the numbers as we would in Waterford.

danjo-xx · 24-02-2013 9:48pm

These marches need to be taken to Kildare Street but how to get the numbers out is another ball game.

Royal Legend · 24-02-2013 9:56pm

If you look at one of the other threads where Joan Burton was heckled in Dundalk, this is what we need, a bit more anger directed towards these clowns.

TBH a march in Dublin with a bit of anger attached would not go astray, maybe we should do what the flag lads are doing in the north and bring it to where these politicians live, to their houses, seriously, (without the firebombs though

) Considering the are bringing hardship to our doorsteps from the comfort of the dail, why not bring hardship to their own door.

nice_very · 25-02-2013 4:34am

those of us who have promoted direct confrontational protests, like in dundalk and in ferrybank, and elsewhere, make every step these traitors take be an uncomfortable one, is the right way to go. have your family fun day out if you wish, but know that the only way to get the message through is by scaring these people.. before you all jump on the bandwagon of calling me a thug, just think about what the govt are doing to you, your family and your community... are you scared? the biggest thugs in Ireland are the ones that promote calling people like me a thug.. the irony is that the very few people like me will do more than the thousands and their silent marches/family fun days. It only takes one spark to start a fire.

7upfree · 25-02-2013 9:42am

nice_very wrote: »

those of us who have promoted direct confrontational protests, like in dundalk and in ferrybank, and elsewhere, make every step these traitors take be an uncomfortable one, is the right way to go. have your family fun day out if you wish, but know that the only way to get the message through is by scaring these people.. before you all jump on the bandwagon of calling me a thug, just think about what the govt are doing to you, your family and your community... are you scared? the biggest thugs in Ireland are the ones that promote calling people like me a thug.. the irony is that the very few people like me will do more than the thousands and their silent marches/family fun days. It only takes one spark to start a fire.

The biggest (financial) thugs are the ones in Kildare street my friend. And the ones who level the "thug" insult at you - and people like you - are their shills and hacks who populate message boards like this, with false indignation when their heroes are exposed for what they are - no different to FF. A bunch of loud mouthed yobs (we saw it on that famous night recently in Dail Eireann when the opposition were speaking) who proclaim themselves the saviours of the Country - while selling the place out to anonymous bondholders.

A huge opportunity was lost at WRH when Reilly visited. Those - myself included - who pointed out at the time were ridiculed. Yet, sadly, we have been proven right. We need to adopt the French stance - and quickly. the more we lie down the more they will kick us while we are on the ground.
I firmly believe that mass, possibly violent, protest is not far off. And it will be some apparently trivial that will trigger it.

I hope i am wrong, but the writing is on the wall methinks.

7upfree · 25-02-2013 9:43am

Royal Legend wrote: »

If you look at one of the other threads where Joan Burton was heckled in Dundalk, this is what we need, a bit more anger directed towards these clowns.

TBH a march in Dublin with a bit of anger attached would not go astray, maybe we should do what the flag lads are doing in the north and bring it to where these politicians live, to their houses, seriously, (without the firebombs though ) Considering the are bringing hardship to our doorsteps from the comfort of the dail, why not bring hardship to their own door.

Realistically, the marches need to turn into blockades. In all five cities for starters.

7upfree · 25-02-2013 9:45am

Royal Legend wrote: »

In relation to the socialist councillors, I have not doubt that they are in the fight for the right reasons, but in the past these same people have done enormous damage to Waterford, which is seen by business outsite of the city as militant.

Need I point out the Newgate Centre?

Cabaal · 25-02-2013 10:18am

Now I know why atleast some posts were likely deleted from the save Waterford facebook page.

I'll say it now, this thread and this forum will not be used to arrange any sort of violence or threatening behavior against TD's or anyone else in the government.

Any further posts along this line that suggest violence towards any TD or government minister or employee will be deleted and there will be bans handed out.

At the end of the day these are people the same as you and are entitled to feel safe in their own family homes and are entitled to their own personal safety.

Taking a protest to Dublin is one thing and by all means this makes sense, but taking a protest to a ministers family home so they don't feel safe in it is very much another!

I will not be making this warning again!

Royal Legend · 25-02-2013 10:19am

7upfree wrote: »

Need I point out the Newgate Centre?

Thats history now, I had actually forgot about that and it was not what I was referring to. If you look back at the Glass strike of the early 90's, that laid the foundation for what eventually happened with the glass. Think back, the best paid workers in the city striking, how it all changed within 20 years and eventually they all went like sheep, with no pensions or nothing, which was an absolute disgrace. Would it have happened in the same vein only for that strike in the 90's? Personally I don't think so. When companies like that see the workers as militant as they were then, plans go into place as to how to deal and break them in the future.

I am not going to advocate violence or aggression, but it will get to a stage where that is all this or any future government will understand

mccarthy37 · 25-02-2013 11:49am

Royal Legend wrote: »

Thats history now, I had actually forgot about that and it was not what I was referring to. If you look back at the Glass strike of the early 90's, that laid the foundation for what eventually happened with the glass. Think back, the best paid workers in the city striking, how it all changed within 20 years and eventually they all went like sheep, with no pensions or nothing, which was an absolute disgrace. Would it have happened in the same vein only for that strike in the 90's? Personally I don't think so. When companies like that see the workers as militant as they were then, plans go into place as to how to deal and break them in the future.

I am not going to advocate violence or aggression, but it will get to a stage where that is all this or any future government will understand

You are very wrong there I had to collect two overhead heaters in Dublin in 1986 with my brother and we were having a chat with the storeman about the unrest in the Glass Factory at the time. He warned us then that the new Management that were put in place there one of them was brought into Guinness to streamline the operation there before going to the Glass in other words we all lost our good jobs were his words as he had worked there for over 30 yrs. I'll bet you there will be a lot of industrial unrest and the blame will fall on the workers. I taught this would never happen but how true his words were. How easy people criticize former workers of this once brilliant employer but any charity that collected at the factory gates always said that the contributions were always very generous. These men saw their conditions being slowly striped away you cant really blame them for trying to maintain the conditions they had.
It was a fantastic factory in its day and a lot of lads who did not have a great education made a great living there. I remember going to the Tech in the late 60's early 70's and reps from the Glass would come into the classroom offering us work in the new factory that was built on Matties Hill. I didn't go but a lot of my friends did and worked dammed hard there. Now when you buy a piece of Waterford Crystal you are not guaranteed where it is made.

Royal Legend · 25-02-2013 12:12pm

mccarthy37 wrote: »

You are very wrong there I had to collect two overhead heaters in Dublin in 1986 with my brother and we were having a chat with the storeman about the unrest in the Glass Factory at the time. He warned us then that the new Management that were put in place there one of them was brought into Guinness to streamline the operation there before going to the Glass in other words we all lost our good jobs were his words as he had worked there for over 30 yrs. I'll bet you there will be a lot of industrial unrest and the blame will fall on the workers. I taught this would never happen but how true his words were. How easy people criticize former workers of this once brilliant employer but any charity that collected at the factory gates always said that the contributions were always very generous. These men saw their conditions being slowly striped away you cant really blame them for trying to maintain the conditions they had.
It was a fantastic factory in its day and a lot of lads who did not have a great education made a great living there. I remember going to the Tech in the late 60's early 70's and reps from the Glass would come into the classroom offering us work in the new factory that was built on Matties Hill. I didn't go but a lot of my friends did and worked dammed hard there. Now when you buy a piece of Waterford Crystal you are not guaranteed where it is made.

At the time, compared to other factories in the City of which there were many, the glass workers earned significantly more than anyone else. The strike was very septic and there is still bad blood between those that stood on the picket and those that crossed it, its not as if everyone supported the strike. I think we should leave that particular issue to one side and it can stoke up serious animosity with some people. There was an extreme left wing element in the factory and that can be seen to this day as at least one of the Shop Stewards is high up in union circles, also you should look into the "Newgate" comment from earlier to see what that entailed and who was involved as well.
No matter what you say, Waterford has a name for being a militant unionised city, there are many examples, the closure of the docks for one, also even in the boom times in the city a few years ago with the construction industry, some local business were warned not to deal with outside contractors, blockies, plasterers, electricians etc as they were seen to be doing local tradesmen out of work.
As I said earlier, the way workers were treated in the end was a disgrace, from a company that was making profits, but not enough profit in their opinion. How anyone can now buy Waterford Crystal considering its not even made in Waterford anymore is beyond me.

Bards · 26-02-2013 5:14pm

Royal Legend wrote: »

At the time, compared to other factories in the City of which there were many, the glass workers earned significantly more than anyone else. The strike was very septic and there is still bad blood between those that stood on the picket and those that crossed it, its not as if everyone supported the strike. I think we should leave that particular issue to one side and it can stoke up serious animosity with some people. There was an extreme left wing element in the factory and that can be seen to this day as at least one of the Shop Stewards is high up in union circles, also you should look into the "Newgate" comment from earlier to see what that entailed and who was involved as well.
No matter what you say, Waterford has a name for being a militant unionised city, there are many examples, the closure of the docks for one, also even in the boom times in the city a few years ago with the construction industry, some local business were warned not to deal with outside contractors, blockies, plasterers, electricians etc as they were seen to be doing local tradesmen out of work.
As I said earlier, the way workers were treated in the end was a disgrace, from a company that was making profits, but not enough profit in their opinion. How anyone can now buy Waterford Crystal considering its not even made in Waterford anymore is beyond me.

The old Waterford Crystal in Kilbarry - was loosing money Hand over fist, Millions every year to be precise, so your claim that it was profitable is a complete lie.

The New House of Waterford Crystal situated on the Mall is making profits and 40,000 pieces annually are made here I.E all the high value hand crafted pieces - is that not enough for you?

Do you eat Jacobs Biscuits?

Do you eat Kilmeaden Cheese?

Do you drink Snowcream Milk?

All of these products used to be made in Waterford and were propfitable but not profitable enough for their respective owners

At least Waterford Crystal is giving something back to the City as opposed for the other 3 brands listed above

Royal Legend · 27-02-2013 10:25pm

Bards wrote: »

The old Waterford Crystal in Kilbarry - was loosing money Hand over fist, Millions every year to be precise, so your claim that it was profitable is a complete lie.

The New House of Waterford Crystal situated on the Mall is making profits and 40,000 pieces annually are made here I.E all the high value hand crafted pieces - is that not enough for you?

Do you eat Jacobs Biscuits?

Do you eat Kilmeaden Cheese?

Do you drink Snowcream Milk?

All of these products used to be made in Waterford and were propfitable but not profitable enough for their respective owners

At least Waterford Crystal is giving something back to the City as opposed for the other 3 brands listed above

I disagree with your analogy on Waterford Crystal, they were not losing money hand over fist, quite the opposite. About three years beforehand they won Brand of the Year, ahead of Coca Cola and the likes and had quadrupled their profits from the year before. The following year they tripled their profits from the previous year. This was all reported by Waterford Crystal, so how you can say they were losing money is beyond me. The problem was that they were not making as much profit as their shareholders required, that was the reason they re-located the manufacturing.

Bards · 28-02-2013 8:01am

Royal Legend wrote: »

I disagree with your analogy on Waterford Crystal, they were not losing money hand over fist, quite the opposite. About three years beforehand they won Brand of the Year, ahead of Coca Cola and the likes and had quadrupled their profits from the year before. The following year they tripled their profits from the previous year. This was all reported by Waterford Crystal, so how you can say they were losing money is beyond me. The problem was that they were not making as much profit as their shareholders required, that was the reason they re-located the manufacturing.

Are you sure you are not mistaking turnover for profits, they are not the same?

WHy had the owners to pump milions of their own money to keep it afloat, until they eventually ran out of cash if it was making so much profit.

Why did Martin Cullen look to the Govternment to try and seek a €50,000,000 loan to Waterford Crystal to stop it form going into receivership if it was making so much profit?

Finnbar01 · 28-02-2013 11:07am

Bards wrote: »

Are you sure you are not mistaking turnover for profits, they are not the same?

WHy had the owners to pump milions of their own money to keep it afloat, until they eventually ran out of cash if it was making so much profit.

Why did Martin Cullen look to the Govternment to try and seek a €50,000,000 loan to Waterford Crystal to stop it form going into receivership if it was making so much profit?

I heard that the Waterford crystal part was doing fine but the Wedgewood pottery side was losing money???

Bards · 28-02-2013 11:38am

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I heard that the Waterford crystal part was doing fine but the Wedgewood pottery side was losing money???

From http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0105/112279-wedgwood/

The company last month (December 2008) reported pre-tax losses of €63.2m for the six months to 4 October, up 13% from a loss of almost €50m a year earlier.

Am Chile · 28-02-2013 7:56pm

I seen this photo screenshot on a few other FB pages of a deleted comment from the save waterford facebook page; looking at the comment there is no mention of calls for violence or nothing of the sort;I edited out the names in the photo for possible legal reasons but I find it very suspicious someone points out a second fianna fail man appears to be involved in their campaign and the comment gets erased from their page.

Sully · 28-02-2013 8:05pm

I saw a person hand out flyers for the Save Waterford Campaign in one of the supermarkets - I wont say where or the sex of the person as not to embarrass them. But when one male didn't want to take a leaflet (he just dodged the person rather than refusing) this person started shouting after him and giving out. He just ignored it, got into his car and drove on. Man in his late 20s / early 30s with shopping in his hand probably didn't want the flyer as he had heard the person mention it or got the details already via local media.

Wasn't professional IMO.

nice_very · 28-02-2013 8:15pm

@Sully, that couldnt possibly have happened, with SW being a peaceful dignified non violent/aggressive campaign.... could it?

jad2007 · 28-02-2013 8:18pm

I find it galling that many FF councillors who obviously have ideas for the next election are so vocal in these protests. The organisers would be better off asking them to stay out of it.

Sully · 28-02-2013 8:22pm

nice_very wrote: »

@Sully, that couldnt possibly have happened, with SW being a peaceful dignified non violent/aggressive campaign.... could it?

I don't blame them, they are not professional at this and type of thing. They are all volunteers and anybody can offer to help out - its not like they vet them or check their CVs. But it didn't look well is all. Some things are obvious for the organisers, but this wasn't I guess.

jad2007 wrote: »

I find it galling that many FF councillors who obviously have ideas for the next election are so vocal in these protests. The organisers would be better off asking them to stay out of it.

Not just Fianna Fail, Mary Roche is very active in these protests and campaigns and is getting great media from it. I assume shes next in line for TD for Waterford.

nice_very · 28-02-2013 8:25pm

jad2007 wrote: »

I find it galling that many FF councillors who obviously have ideas for the next election are so vocal in these protests. The organisers would be better off asking them to stay out of it.

my fingers are itching to rearrange this post, but I will leave it be.

nice_very · 28-02-2013 8:32pm

also, I think that this post on their FB page (liked by both organisers) is very far from their peaceful dignified non violent stance:

whats going on now,if i catch a hold of these anonymous assholes,i wont be held accountable for my actions,horrible rotten excuses for people,safe behind their computers,its worrying to think that there are people like this who will get to use the hospital that we stood up for,if i had my way they would be using it sooner then they think

WRH proposed downgrade - protest on Saturday the 23rd of Feb

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