Leinster Schools Rugby 2012-2013 [Provincial Schools Thread Link in Post 1]

ormond lad · 21-10-2012 3:02am

redsoxallday wrote: »

I was at the game, they looked pretty good but should have closed it out. Worrying that they couldn't. Also I thought team selection looked very odd. Kelleher was a sub, Steve Harold was watching wearing jeans, James Ryan who I'm told is 4th year was recording the games & Denis Coulson & Adam Leavy were actually watching the game sitting on chairs. Conor Duffy wasn't playing or to be seen anywhere. Just seemed very odd not to pick some of their best players, including Ireland players. Clongowes were steely and showed great character to come back. Fromm will be a handful for all. New outhalf was just ok.

the game was a friendly so the result doesnt matter that much. maybe the coach wanted to look at other players against quality opposition?
Players who are in irish squads may have been rested ahead of the camp with the youths, schools and u19s irish squads in cork/limerick and clongowes

Leinster5 · 21-10-2012 10:50am

redsoxallday wrote: »

I was at the game, they looked pretty good but should have closed it out. Worrying that they couldn't. Also I thought team selection looked very odd. Kelleher was a sub, Steve Harold was watching wearing jeans, James Ryan who I'm told is 4th year was recording the games & Denis Coulson & Adam Leavy were actually watching the game sitting on chairs. Conor Duffy wasn't playing or to be seen anywhere. Just seemed very odd not to pick some of their best players, including Ireland players. Clongowes were steely and showed great character to come back. Fromm will be a handful for all. New outhalf was just ok.

Well surely the players watching must of been injured ? When I asked one of the Michaels parents on the sidelines, what players were missing from the pack, he said a prop and a 2nd row. I also think we(Clongowes) were missing a couple of players yesterday.

funtime93 · 21-10-2012 10:54am

redsoxallday wrote: »

Fromm will be a handful for all.

wow didnt know fromm had another year, him and cleary in the centre will be a serious handful for any team.They definitely lack the pack they had over the last few years to seriously challenge terenure and michaels though

podo · 22-10-2012 3:14pm

RugbyMan10 wrote: »

Terenure score a try in the corner in the last play to get a draw.
10-10

So are knock any good this year, has the ghost awoken

Gordon Gecko · 22-10-2012 10:45pm

podo wrote: »

So are knock any good this year, has the ghost awoken

It's looking like a straight up dogfight between Michael's and the Gick, with Clongowes and 'Rock looking the best prospects to cause an upset. Beyond them I don't think anyone else is getting a look in, short of a very lopsided draw.

Oldboy 92 · 23-10-2012 9:30am

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

It's looking like a straight up dogfight between Michael's and the Gick, with Clongowes and 'Rock looking the best prospects to cause an upset. Beyond them I don't think anyone else is getting a look in, short of a very lopsided draw.

How is it a two horse race already? Michaels drew with Clongowes and beat Terenure well! All the talk is about the big two missing players, word coming out of Kildare is they were missing up to 5 last week v Michaels including 2 Leinster u18 panalists who played last year as 4th years. It's the Senior Cup gents, anything can happen! Could be one of the best SCT campaigns in years. Some unbelievable talent coming out of the schools at present!

Quint2010 · 23-10-2012 12:29pm

Oldboy 92 wrote: »

How is it a two horse race already? Michaels drew with Clongowes and beat Terenure well! All the talk is about the big two missing players, word coming out of Kildare is they were missing up to 5 last week v Michaels including 2 Leinster u18 panalists who played last year as 4th years. It's the Senior Cup gents, anything can happen! Could be one of the best SCT campaigns in years. Some unbelievable talent coming out of the schools at present!

Agree with the fact it depends on the draw. Last year 'Michaels got a very favourable draw (despite being very lucky in the opening round). Think their name was on the cup from an early stage. This year Terenure-despite being favourites at the start-have been very inconsistent with hammerings of Blackrock and Belvedere being punctuated with a ten points loss to 'Michaels and a last gasp draw at Castleknock. To me-'Michaels look to have the edge up front with a monster pack. Terenure's forwards while very mobile look a little lightweight particularly in the backrow. Looking forward to their game with Clongowes on November 10th. Have seen 'Rock once and they were made to look average.

funtime93 · 23-10-2012 1:09pm

I thought Terenure were meant to walk the cup this year.How have Michaels become favourites all of a sudden?Friendlies mean nothing,when the serious business starts my money would still be very much on Terenure.I dont know much about Rock or Clongowes but from what I've heard they're both more likely to win it next year(2014)

Quint2010 · 23-10-2012 1:17pm

funtime93 wrote: »

I thought Terenure were meant to walk the cup this year.How have Michaels become favourites all of a sudden?Friendlies mean nothing,when the serious business starts my money would still be very much on Terenure.I dont know much about Rock or Clongowes but from what I've heard they're both more likely to win it next year(2014)

Well a 20-10 defeat and a lucky draw against Castleknock doesn't exactly inspire confidence. 'Michaels just seem to have greater strength in depth and have six players in the Ireland U18 squad and a superb out half who kicks everything. Right now Terenure's OH Stephen O'Neill is injured but even so is a converted centre. They look like the two stand out teams. Just hope they are kept apart in the draw.

Leinster5 · 23-10-2012 3:55pm

Oldboy 92 wrote: »

How is it a two horse race already? Michaels drew with Clongowes and beat Terenure well! All the talk is about the big two missing players, word coming out of Kildare is they were missing up to 5 last week v Michaels including 2 Leinster u18 panalists who played last year as 4th years. It's the Senior Cup gents, anything can happen! Could be one of the best SCT campaigns in years. Some unbelievable talent coming out of the schools at present!

Clongowes were missing 4 players last weekend, but having said that, Michaels were missing 5 starters, 4 being Leinster reps. It's clear Terenure have a very solid team, with some quality players. But as Quint says, Michaels have the best pack in the cup, and this gives them the advantage.

slackers88 · 25-10-2012 7:12pm

Hagz wrote: »

Maybe you're confusing Rory with Ross (the Michael's second row). Rory Moloney is from Roscrea and is 6'4 I think. He could develop into a blindside though, in the McLaughlin mould.

Saw Roscrea play yesterday and Moloney is much shorter than 6'4. He wasnt brilliant but he was still roscreas best player by a stretch, was expecting more to be honest

6dsp9 · 26-10-2012 2:45pm

slackers88 wrote: »

Saw Roscrea play yesterday and Moloney is much shorter than 6'4. He wasnt brilliant but he was still roscreas best player by a stretch, was expecting more to be honest

ah he wouldn't be much shorter than 6'4 he's certainly 6'3 like,he looks much smaller on the pitch but if you stand beside him you realise he's much taller than he looks

gfitz95 · 26-10-2012 9:30pm

Rock mus be a lot better than i hought if they can beat clongowes convincingly in clongowes..

Quint2010 · 26-10-2012 9:53pm

gfitz95 wrote: »

Rock mus be a lot better than i hought if they can beat clongowes convincingly in clongowes..

Did they? What was the score? I only saw 'Rock getting hammered by Terenure and they weren't very impressive.

Gordon Gecko · 26-10-2012 11:21pm

gfitz95 wrote: »

Rock mus be a lot better than i hought if they can beat clongowes convincingly in clongowes..

To echo Quint's sentiments, when did this happen? I'd have rated 'Rock the stronger of the two this year in fairness but from what I gather they're quite evenly matched.

funtime93 · 27-10-2012 12:21am

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

To echo Quint's sentiments, when did this happen? I'd have rated 'Rock the stronger of the two this year in fairness but from what I gather they're quite evenly matched.

Still cant see either lifting the cup this year. Its a two-horse race and neither of these teams are one of them.

Leinster5 · 27-10-2012 1:16am

Quint2010 wrote: »

Did they? What was the score? I only saw 'Rock getting hammered by Terenure and they weren't very impressive.

'Rock beat Clongowes on Wednesday. But I'm told that Clongowes were missing Fromm and a few other key players. Also very unusual to play a match on a Saturday, then have one 4 days later. Especially against 2 big schools like Michaels and Blackrock.

Wexfordboy89 · 27-10-2012 3:40pm

is that seb fromm chap still playing for clongows this year or has he gone back home to germany??looked like a hand player from seeing him on the tv last year

funtime93 · 27-10-2012 7:41pm

Wexfordboy89 wrote: »

is that seb fromm chap still playing for clongows this year or has he gone back home to germany??looked like a hand player from seeing him on the tv last year

still playing this year apparently

6dsp9 · 28-10-2012 12:57am

slackers88 wrote: »

Saw Roscrea play yesterday and Moloney is much shorter than 6'4. He wasnt brilliant but he was still roscreas best player by a stretch, was expecting more to be honest

in fact no you could be right there actually

knightro · 29-10-2012 2:15pm

does anyone know of any decent games this week, ie Wednesday or Sat? cheers

Quint2010 · 29-10-2012 6:12pm

knightro wrote: »

does anyone know of any decent games this week, ie Wednesday or Sat? cheers

Don't think there are any games this week as it's mid-term break

Stanza2 · 30-10-2012 12:38am

Ireland schools v Ireland clubs at Clongowes on Friday? Should be decent

newtorugby · 30-10-2012 12:28pm

what time is that match on Friday?

knightro · 30-10-2012 12:51pm

can anyone please provide some opinion on the difference between a S winning team in December to March? ie, the level of team in December compared to March? thanks

Oldboy 92 · 30-10-2012 1:42pm

newtorugby wrote: »

what time is that match on Friday?

LB ref site have ko at 2.15 on friday!

Quint2010 · 30-10-2012 1:51pm

Have the teams been announced yet? Or even the squad?

specttator · 30-10-2012 10:02pm

knightro wrote: »

can anyone please provide some opinion on the difference between a S winning team in December to March? ie, the level of team in December compared to March? thanks

8 weeks of training should iron out any kinks

Fight_Night · 31-10-2012 12:08am

knightro wrote: »

can anyone please provide some opinion on the difference between a S winning team in December to March? ie, the level of team in December compared to March? thanks

Huge difference in the intensity of their game and the overall coherence of the team because any weaknesses will be have weeded out(where possible).

However with that said physically there won't be that much of a difference so potentially you could see a team give their best performance in December.

Gordon Gecko · 01-11-2012 12:02am

knightro wrote: »

can anyone please provide some opinion on the difference between a S winning team in December to March? ie, the level of team in December compared to March? thanks

A lot can change in the the 3 months and I think that teams can peak a little too early. I remember in '08 Belvedere got their arses handed to them by Clongowes before Christmas, but got their act together to beat the Kildare outfit in the semi-final. That's just one example that comes to mind, I could think of dozens more, but it's basically swings and roundabouts. The team that comes to their peak in February/March is far more dangerous than the one that's been at peak performance since before Christmas. At the moment it's advantage Michael's but I think by cup time Terenure will be running on all cylinders. Anyway hopefully we'll be treated to a real nail biter of a final that we haven't had in too long, just hope the draw keeps Michael's and Nure apart!

TtomRedCM · 01-11-2012 9:07pm

Any results in the Junior Friendlies?, St Marys beat Belvedere, Terenure Beat St Marys. Belvedere Beat Terenure, Belvedere beat Michaels. Blackrock beat Michaels, any other results?

knightro · 02-11-2012 10:00pm

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

A lot can change in the the 3 months and I think that teams can peak a little too early. I remember in '08 Belvedere got their arses handed to them by Clongowes before Christmas, but got their act together to beat the Kildare outfit in the semi-final. That's just one example that comes to mind, I could think of dozens more, but it's basically swings and roundabouts. The team that comes to their peak in February/March is far more dangerous than the one that's been at peak performance since before Christmas. At the moment it's advantage Michael's but I think by cup time Terenure will be running on all cylinders. Anyway hopefully we'll be treated to a real nail biter of a final that we haven't had in too long, just hope the draw keeps Michael's and Nure apart!

thanks lads

fox_1973 · 02-11-2012 11:53pm

knightro wrote: »

does anyone know of any decent games this week, ie Wednesday or Sat? cheers

Terenure playing Cresent Limerick tomorrow @ 2 in Terenure

Oldboy 92 · 03-11-2012 12:44am

Stanza2 wrote: »

Ireland schools v Ireland clubs at Clongowes on Friday? Should be decent

Any word on how this game went?

thetruth_time · 03-11-2012 3:21pm

Oldboy 92 wrote: »

Any word on how this game went?

Schools won 1 try to nil in miserable conditions was only 20 mins a side. Some good players on display on both sides. Very interesting to see the young Clongowes and Rockwell coaches in charge of the Irish schools. Both look like they are still in their 20s. Brave move from the IRFU!!

knightro · 03-11-2012 6:10pm

fox_1973 wrote: »

Terenure playing Cresent Limerick tomorrow @ 2 in Terenure

any comment on this game? thanks

fox_1973 · 03-11-2012 7:24pm

knightro wrote: »

any comment on this game? thanks

Terenure won 20 18 team made up of a lot of the second team

Oldboy 92 · 06-11-2012 7:34pm

Mary's are playing Clongowes tomorrow, does anyone know where the game is being played?

Leinster5 · 06-11-2012 10:46pm

Got a text off my mate who coaches in Clongowes there. Claims that the Final will now be played in the night time instead of during the day. Interesting move by the Leinster Branch.

Quint2010 · 06-11-2012 11:19pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

Got a text off my mate who coaches in Clongowes there. Claims that the Final will now be played in the night time instead of during the day. Interesting move by the Leinster Branch.

Be very surprised if that happened. Dragging school kids out at night is never a good idea.

Anyone know what time the Clongowes Terenure match is at on Saturday?

Leinster5 · 06-11-2012 11:35pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Be very surprised if that happened. Dragging school kids out at night is never a good idea.

Anyone know what time the Clongowes Terenure match is at on Saturday?

Are Clongowes at home ? That'll be an interesting game to see.

Quint2010 · 07-11-2012 12:11am

Leinster5 wrote: »

Are Clongowes at home ? That'll be an interesting game to see.

Yeah I believe so. Presume it'll be a morning KO..

Fight_Night · 07-11-2012 12:58am

Leinster5 wrote: »

Got a text off my mate who coaches in Clongowes there. Claims that the Final will now be played in the night time instead of during the day. Interesting move by the Leinster Branch.

Yep St. Michaels College facebook page posted today the Leinster Rugby have announced that there will now be night fixtures in the Cup and there will be a separate draw after each round. Meaning no more pre determined 'easy' draws.

Hagz · 07-11-2012 1:04am

Fight_Night wrote: »

Yep St. Michaels College facebook page posted today the Leinster Rugby have announced that there will now be night fixtures in the Cup and there will be a separate draw after each round. Meaning no more pre determined 'easy' draws.

Jesus that's a recipe for disaster. 'Night fixtures', aka Pre-drinks for the recent departures.

Also, I would expect the crowd size to significantly diminish for the night-fixtures. Which will harm the whole schoolboy tribal aspect of the games.

goreyguy · 07-11-2012 1:23am

Who are the most regarded players in schools rugby?

barring the legend that is Harrison Brewer of course.

Quint2010 · 07-11-2012 1:36am

goreyguy wrote: »

Who are the most regarded players in schools rugby?

barring the legend that is Harrison Brewer of course.

In Leinster-Ross Byrne, Billy Dardis and Nick Timoney would be amongst the best.

fox_1973 · 07-11-2012 10:49am

Hagz wrote: »

Jesus that's a recipe for disaster. 'Night fixtures', aka Pre-drinks for the recent departures.

Also, I would expect the crowd size to significantly diminish for the night-fixtures. Which will harm the whole schoolboy tribal aspect of the games.

I totally agree, what makes a schools match what it is, is the travelling support from the school, night fixtures will totally take away the atmosphere and enjoyment of it for the schools future team players.

Fight_Night · 07-11-2012 12:24pm

fox_1973 wrote: »

I totally agree, what makes a schools match what it is, is the travelling support from the school, night fixtures will totally take away the atmosphere and enjoyment of it for the schools future team players.

Yeah don't know what the reasoning was there. Maybe they reckon they'll get more past pupils if it's a night fixture?

themont85 · 07-11-2012 1:39pm

Fight_Night wrote: »

Yeah don't know what the reasoning was there. Maybe they reckon they'll get more past pupils if it's a night fixture?

Absolutely.

Quint2010 · 07-11-2012 2:25pm

Can't see this happening. Dragging school kids out at night? Doesn't make sense.

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