BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

devnull wrote: »

Travel 90 was a completely different product, that required you to pre-purchase your tickets from a newsagent with cash, rather than getting it automatically, was valid on only one mode and applied only for 90 minutes rather than 90 minutes after each transfer.

Not to mention the stamping machines which have been removed for a long long time now. Also, I don’t think it’s going to be 90 minutes after each transfer? I always assumed it was 90 minutes from the start of your journey.

CatInABox wrote: »

Slightly disappointed with the H spine, to be honest. I can see why they kept those buses, but I guess that I'm disappointed that they didn't do more with them than just replicate what they've already got.

If they sent them down Marlborough Street, over the bridge, onto Hawkins St, Townsend St, and then Tara St before heading back out onto their normal route northside, then they'll take in a section of the southside, with another Dart Station (which, if Metrolink is built, will be a massive interchange station), and continue to include both Bus Aras and Connolly Station.

Agreed, Talbot/Abbey is a silly place to terminate buses from the north east, it makes interchange very awkward when coming from the opposite side of the city.

TheChrisD wrote: »

I think a better implementation for them would be to basically merge the G and H spines into one long spine, offering more options for cross-city journeys and increasing the potential for interchange through the central area.

Capital idea

It looks to me like there's not much in that network preventing a College Green plaza - the A spine could be reconfigured to follow the diversion routes that will be used for the trial closures, and the non-spine routes like the 16 could be sent to the Quays/Winetavern Street instead.

The North-South routes through College Green could stay.

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Hello again cgcsb. I'm very pleased in hearing about the new 98 route going from Mountjoy Sq to Loughlinstown Drive. What I would like to know is how does it take the route from Rock Rd to Glenageary Rd? It didn't mention Dun Laoghaire in the routing at all. I would assume here that it is like the 4 again along with the new B4 although most of the new 98 route is like the current 7a from Loughlinstown Pk into Mountjoy Sq. Also; do you know what frequency is available for the 98? Thanks.

Through Dún Laoghaire and on to Glenageary rd.

cgcsb wrote: »

Through Dún Laoghaire and on to Glenageary rd.

Oh. That sounds really good. The 98 basically just mirrors the current 7a from Loughlinstown into Mountjoy Sq. It will probably also share most of it's route with the new B3 from Dun Laoghaire out to Jury's Hotel in Ballsbridge which is even more good news. Although what I trying to understand is that when in Loughlinstown Pk, the new 229, from Brides Glen to Dun Laoghaire DART Stn, has a poor frequency of roughly 45 to 60 minutes per bus. Does the 98 get better frequency than the 229? What I understand from reading the google map from one of the other posters here; the B3 will remain on the Blackrock by-pass in both directions. The 98 will probably take the longer illogical route around Newtown Avenue in Blackrock when heading into town. And then from town; it will go through the Blackrock Main St like the current 7 & 7a routes. Is that correct?

Qrt wrote: »

Not to mention the stamping machines which have been removed for a long long time now. Also, I don’t think it’s going to be 90 minutes after each transfer? I always assumed it was 90 minutes from the start of your journey.

The Travel 90 ticket remains available from the Vending Machines at Dublin Airport.

CatInABox wrote: »

I've thought about this a bit more, and while I'd love it to happen, I don't think it will. Pretty sure that the H has been left as it currently is because there's no real need for the increased frequency that the G spine would have. There just isn't the population in the catchment area, a fair bit of it is the sea, and there's a dart line running most of the length as well.

Still think they can do something with the end in the city centre, but I don't think they're going to combine it with a high frequency spine.

I'm not sure there's going to be much of a massive difference in the frequency of the main G and H spines in the end. I mean, as it is the G spine is already planned to be the least frequent of them all at 7.5 minutes off-peak/6 minutes at peak.

If we take the current DB timetables for the equivalent H-spine routes:

• H1 = 29a, 20m off-peak;
• H2 = 32, 60m off-peak - but very likely to get boosted as it will be the only main bus service to Malahide following the shortening of the D2, so let's instead go with the 30m off-peak service of the 42;
• H3 = 31/a, 20m off-peak

then the main H-spine could easily get to a similar frequency as the G-spine, making an even better reason to connect them into one.

Hi cgcsb. Do you know how many extra routes were made in this upcoming consultation?

L1011 wrote: »

The machine needs to be able to work out whether someone is to be charged or not, store details of who has been charged and so on. They really don't have the processing power or storage to do this already yet alone another layer of complexity

It can't just take notes and charge later as the transaction has to actually be written to the card and anyway it hasn't got the storage to keep track

The machines don't need to store that information, it is stored on the card.
That is how the leap 90 discount works. It reads the card to see when your last trip was and if it was within the last 90 minutes it gives you the discount.
I'm sure there is work needed to get it to work but I don't see why they would need to replace the readers on the buses.

Sam Russell wrote: »

They are too slow.

Probably more to do with the connection speed than the actual readers