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Mira Elite QT Shower

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Your Mira Elite 2 is 9KW. The Triton T90SR is 9KW. You should be good to go


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    @Sleeper12, So I got the T90, and I have swapped it with my old Mira Elite2, no issues there.

    When I went to commission it, I had it running for over two mins, but only a trickle of water has come through. I turned it off then as I didn’t want to burn out anything.

    Water supply is on, power is on, no leaks anywhere. I will ring the Maynooth number in the morning, but am I missing anything obvious at this time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Very unlikely to be the shower.

    1. Make sure isolation valve is fully open.
    2. Open the little bleed screw to purge any air.
    3. Turn on the shower till you get a flow of water. It will only be a small flow
    4. Turn off isolation switch (pull cord) and move the commissioning pin beside the power pack.

    You should now have a proper flow of water when you turn it on again.

    My guess is that you didn't do 4. Move the pin either that or the position of the dial on the cover does not match where it should be on the shower. In other words with the lid off the bottom dial on the shower should be fully anti clockwise. When fitting the cover the bottom dial on the cover should be all the way anticlockwise

    Edit: if there is an airlock, take shower head off, drop hose into the bath or shower & run shower with bottom dial all of the way anticlockwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Thanks Sleeper12, all seems to be working fine now. I guess I was expecting more of a flow of water through the hose.

    Working fine now and so much quieter than the (albeit much older) Mira


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    ratracer wrote:
    Thanks Sleeper12, all seems to be working fine now. I guess I was expecting more of a flow of water through the hose.

    If the water wasn't flowing correctly it won't activate a pressure switch and you will only have cold water. If you have warm water then most likely everything is good.

    ratracer wrote:
    Working fine now and so much quieter than the (albeit much older) Mira

    Happy days. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭eskerman


    I have a problem with low pressure on an ensuite bathroom that is located on a third floor - would it be possible to put a twin head pump on the 25mm hot and cold pipes that are feeding this ensuite, or would a pump cause me problems with water pressures to the other bathrooms in the house - main and another ensuite that are at a lower level

    Its always been a problem with this higher ensuite and I cant even fit an electric power shower as the head height is too low from the tank in the attic

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated thanks

    Paul


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    eskerman wrote:
    I have a problem with low pressure on an ensuite bathroom that is located on a third floor - would it be possible to put a twin head pump on the 25mm hot and cold pipes that are feeding this ensuite, or would a pump cause me problems with water pressures to the other bathrooms in the house - main and another ensuite that are at a lower level


    If you can find the pipes then the pump will work. Sounds like you'll need a negative head pump though due to head hight. Negative head pumps are expensive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Are there any good Mira Elite QT stories out there?

    Mira Elite QT is now Three & a half years on the Irish market & this thread is running for Three years. We are removing more Mira Elite QT showers ( all less that Three & a half years old) than we are installing. This isn't a good sign for the shower itself. I do work for a landlord in Dublin city. He renovated several properties with half a dozen apartments in each one. The builder installed Mira Elite QT showers in these apartments & we've removed almost half that were installed less than two years ago.

    I see no sign of the quality improving. 10 percent fail out of the box. Either totally dead or sounding like a plane taking off. We deal with cracked casings & broken shower poles several times per week. Sometimes a working shower has to be replaced because the shower casing has cracked & broken. Mira don't sell spare casings.

    So I ask, are there any happy Mira Elite QT owners out there???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭John.G


    You definitely know of one happy customer who changed from the Triton, there was a very lively discussion on here about a year ago, I will post the link shortly, be interesting to see of the OP is still happy with his Mira QT.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106715464


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    John.G wrote: »
    You definitely know of one happy customer who changed from the Triton, there was a very lively discussion on here about a year ago, I will post the link shortly, be interesting to see of the OP is still happy with his Mira QT.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106715464




    That was a strange thread. Possibly the only thread where we didn't solve the problem. Every test the OP carried out suggested that there was nothing wrong with the shower.



    The only part of the shower that it could have been was the element. Personally I would have taken the 10 minutes to swap it out with a new element. I know all the readings said that it was doing what it was supposed to be doing but swapping it out would have proved once & for all that it was the power supply or that it was a faulty element. I still think about that thread. It's the one that got away. We never got to the bottom of it. I'm not joking when I say this but I would have bought that shower off Triton just to fully test it myself! :eek:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭LimerickCity


    My shower is tiled and I have had the Mira Elite ST twice. On both occasions the the top left screw bracket snapped. This shower was discontinued in 2016 I believe and replaced with Mira Elite QT.

    The QT has slightly different dimensions but fits exactly into the screw holes that the ST before it did. I purchased the QT in February and tonight the same top left screw bracket snapped. It was NOT screwed in to tight. To say that I am disappointed in this shower is an understatement.

    Thankfully it is registered so now I must go about the guarantee.

    The only reason I went for the QT is that the bathroom is tiled and I did not want to go drilling additional holes in the tiles.

    I would definitely not recommend Mira showers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Thankfully it is registered so now I must go about the guarantee.

    You will find that it's not covered by the warranty. It's cheap plastic. It cracks & breaks easily. Mira seem to do anything they can to get out of the warranty on this shower. I'm betting they either claim that you didn't use the screwed provided or if you did that you screwed it too tight. I'd be very surprised if they don't blame you or the installer


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 OziHam


    Just read lots of comments on the Mira shower. Daughter had a Mira Vigour fitted 7 months ago. Over the last few weeks I have noticed we needed less temperature setting , yet it was still hot enough. Today, with the temperature set at lowest, it was only hot water coming out. Would this be a cold filter or temperature control cartridges? Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    OziHam wrote:
    Just read lots of comments on the Mira shower. Daughter had a Mira Vigour fitted 7 months ago. Over the last few weeks I have noticed we needed less temperature setting , yet it was still hot enough. Today, with the temperature set at lowest, it was only hot water coming out. Would this be a cold filter or temperature control cartridges? Thanks

    This model isn't a terrible model. Parts are very expensive and only a 12 months warranty but they don't usually give too much trouble.

    Assuming that no one has partially closed the cold valve, I would turn off the power & hot and cold water and check the filter. If that's clear ring mira & get them to repair it under Warranty. They are strict on the 12 months warranty. If it's out of warranty you will pay €190 plus vat for a new cartridge plus €95 labour. Almost cheaper to get a new shower installed. If you bring them out & it's a blocked filter they will charge you €95 call out fee


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Thankfully it is registered so now I must go about the guarantee.


    How did you get on with the warranty? Did they good will gesture you or not cover it at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭glog


    I removed and cleaned the filter in my mira elite qt.
    I reinserted it, but no water comes out.
    The motor sounds like it comes on - I didn't want to leave it running 'dry' for any length of time.
    Any help greatly appreciated.
    Glog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Air locked shower


    You can get an airlock in your electric shower if the level of the water in the attic tank drops too low. This happens a lot in winter if Irish water need to reduce the water pressure due to leaks after a cold snap. This happen also in summer during a prolonged hot, dry spell. Again Irish Water may need to reduce water pressure at night to conserve water. Other causes could be a faulty ballcock on the attic tank not letting the tank fill fast enough or a leak an the water main.

    Remove the shower head, it screws off.
    Let the shower hose hang straight down in the bath or shower.
    Turn the flow dial all the way anti clockwise. (usually the bottom dial)
    Turn the power selector to blue (usually the top dial)
    Turn on the shower. This usually clears an airlock within 30 seconds or so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭glog


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Air locked shower


    Remove the shower head, it screws off.
    Let the shower hose hang straight down in the bath or shower.
    Turn the flow dial all the way anti clockwise. (usually the bottom dial)
    Turn the power selector to blue (usually the top dial)
    Turn on the shower. This usually clears an airlock within 30 seconds or so

    Thanks - I tried that but no good.
    On further investigation, when i remove the filter (user removable on this model), up inside where the filter fits there is a kind of valve on a spring.
    When i push this up, water flows. I presume its the water inlet from the tank.
    When i re-insert the filter, it appears to slot back up fine, but only a very small trickle comes out when i turn it on.
    So, it appears to be blocked or air locked after the filter.
    Or maybe the filter isnt engaging the spring valve correctly.
    It's weird, because the shower is in everyday use, i used it myself and cleaned the filter.
    I didn't check it it after re-installing the filter and then when the Mrs tried the shower 10 minutes later it had issues.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    The motor is undersized in this model and sometimes it is not strong enough to get the flow through the shower. You might have to remove the head, turn the shower on & syphon it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭glog


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    The motor is undersized in this model and sometimes it is not strong enough to get the flow through the shower. You might have to remove the head, turn the shower on & syphon it

    Got it working after.
    I let the inlet water flow for a while manually pressing the inlet spring valve.
    Re-inserted the filter.
    I started it, and sucked on the outlet hose and it burped and farted and away she went.

    Thanks for the advice. Why do these things only ever happen on Bank Holiday weekends :confused::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭imp1


    Busy topic this!!!
    Water stopped coming out of hose, mid shower, pump still running. Guessing impeller gone, I see the pump/motor available at about €115, is it worth fixing - it has been going great for about 3 years - so not expecting anything on warranty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭goodlad


    imp1 wrote: »
    Busy topic this!!!
    Water stopped coming out of hose, mid shower, pump still running. Guessing impeller gone, I see the pump/motor available at about €115, is it worth fixing - it has been going great for about 3 years - so not expecting anything on warranty.

    You dont need to rely on warranty, you rely on the sale of goods act.
    Just give a shout to wherever you bought it and they need to offer a repair, replacement or refund, their choice which.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Even if the impeller is shot (how can that happen?!) the water would still trickle out of the hose. So it's probably something else, maybe the solenoid valve.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭imp1


    Cordell wrote: »
    Even if the impeller is shot (how can that happen?!) the water would still trickle out of the hose. So it's probably something else, maybe the solenoid valve.

    Reckon I need to take the cover off - is it ever worth fixing these?
    Warranty long gone (assuming regular 1 year warranty)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    imp1 wrote:
    Busy topic this!!! Water stopped coming out of hose, mid shower, pump still running. Guessing impeller gone, I see the pump/motor available at about €115, is it worth fixing - it has been going great for about 3 years - so not expecting anything on warranty.

    Solenoid is what I'd be looking at. Less than 20 euro
    goodlad wrote:
    You dont need to rely on warranty, you rely on the sale of goods act. Just give a shout to wherever you bought it and they need to offer a repair, replacement or refund, their choice which.

    Easier said than done. Mira Elite Qt retails for around 230. Average lifespan is 10 years with oaps getting 20 years but family of 4 heavy users might average 6 years. Even winning the small claims court case you would get 115 at the very most (half of the new price). You also have to pay 30 or 50 euro to lodge the scc case. You will need to take time off work, sometimes two days off work.

    It's a hollow victory winning the case but your expenses costing more than you might win.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    imp1 wrote:
    Reckon I need to take the cover off - is it ever worth fixing these? Warranty long gone (assuming regular 1 year warranty)


    Two years warranty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭imp1


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Solenoid is what I'd be looking at. Less than 20 euro



    Easier said than done. Mira Elite Qt retails for around 230. Average lifespan is 10 years with oaps getting 20 years but family of 4 heavy users might average 6 years. Even winning the small claims court case you would get 115 at the very most (half of the new price). You also have to pay 30 or 50 euro to lodge the scc case. You will need to take time off work, sometimes two days off work.

    It's a hollow victory winning the case but your expenses costing more than you might win.

    4 heavy users for 3 years doesn't sound too bad, I suppose. It would be worth trying a solenoid then. As you say, €20 from the Shower Docs.
    If that doesn't work, I see some recommendations for alternatives here, the ease of replacing a Mira with a Mira was a big factor in choosing this model, do they have any better models out now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    imp1 wrote: »
    4 heavy users for 3 years doesn't sound too bad, I suppose. It would be worth trying a solenoid then. As you say, €20 from the Shower Docs.
    If that doesn't work, I see some recommendations for alternatives here, the ease of replacing a Mira with a Mira was a big factor in choosing this model, do they have any better models out now?

    https://www.dublinshowerrepair.com/product/mira-jump-mk2-solenoid-coil-only-1788-434/

    Mira don't have a good Pumped electric shower on the market at the moment and no sign of them replacing this model. Triton T90sr is a great shower. A professional will replace your mira for the triton for under 350 supply and fit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭imp1


    Cover off (yes the back is cracked- hadn't noticed before) but how do I get the old solenoid off - special tool or just pull, does the middle wee plastic bit pull out allowing the 'jaws' to open?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    imp1 wrote: »
    Cover off (yes the back is cracked- hadn't noticed before) but how do I get the old solenoid off - special tool or just pull, does the middle wee plastic bit pull out allowing the 'jaws' to open?


    The Piece circled pushes back.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭imp1


    Yep - pushed that back to release the cables, should the coil just pull off, seems pretty tight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    imp1 wrote: »
    Yep - pushed that back to release the cables, should the coil just pull off, seems pretty tight.




    Sounds like a blue movie! :pac:


    I get a flat head screwdriver between the coil & valve& wiggle it that way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭imp1


    My BFI meter needs recalibrating, gave it a good yank and it came off in my hand - you know what I mean.
    Thanks Sleeper and boards, i'm away to spend the €400 I just saved, on beer and hookers.
    But judging by the amount of carbon inside the housing, I should probably just stick to a tin of cider!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭John.G


    :pg
    imp1 wrote: »
    My BFI meter needs recalibrating, gave it a good yank and it came off in my hand - you know what I mean.
    Thanks Sleeper and boards, i'm away to spend the €400 I just saved, on beer and hookers.
    But judging by the amount of carbon inside the housing, I should probably just stick to a tin of cider!

    Strange one though as the pump was still running after water stopped in mid shower, post #122.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭imp1


    I thought so too - that is why I initially suspected the pump/impeller or some other mechanical failure, most electrical failures are on start up/shut down, rather than mid flow.
    A €20 fix is a great result though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭James Forde


    Looking to replace my ancient Mira Elite 2 with a Triton model (based on all the info in this thread!)

    Does anyone have any recommendations of someone who could install it for me in the Galway County area (Athenry)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Does anyone have any recommendations of someone who could install it for me in the Galway County area (Athenry)?


    I would call local electricians and ask for prices. If you can't find an electrician willing to work with water then ring plumbers. You should have a look at the fuse box. If your shower is very old you might have a 32 amp trip switch. You need a 40 amp RCBO instead


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭James Forde


    Western Shower Services are sorting me out

    €320 for Mira QT
    €340 for Triton (not sure which model)

    Hoping the Triton can be installed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    I fitted my very last Mira Elite QT today!!!

    I have hated fitting each & every one over the last Four years. Worst Shower EVER!

    R.I.P. Mira Elite QT

    We're starting on the Mira Elite SE next week. It can't be any worse than the Mira Elite QT... I hope....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭ADSLUSER


    Anyone any thoughts and experience on the new Mira SE? Curious to know if all the issues with the QT are now addressed?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    ADSLUSER wrote: »
    Anyone any thoughts and experience on the new Mira SE? Curious to know if all the issues with the QT are now addressed?


    I was looking forward to this shower after being told that they were Three years working on it. I was disappointed to see that it's the same shower with a new motor. It looks identical to the QT. Exact same casing except now it says Mira Elite SE rather than Mira Elite SE. Cover still doesn't fit correctly & it's still the same cheap plastic that becomes very brittle is a short period of time. Same cheap shower hose that bends & tears near the shower head. Same cheap shower head that you'll struggle to get onto the hose because it's cheaply made & the threads are bad. Exact same shower pole that cracks & breaks after a few months.You have all of the above & even worse still is you have to deal with The Shower Doctors (Mira's customer care in Ireland) when something does go wrong. Until they actually listen to the people installing this shower day in & day out I can't see them getting it right.



    It's far too early to know if the motor is good or bad. They are charging an extra 10 euro or so for this "new" model. My advice is the Triton T90SR is still the best pumped electric shower on the market. The motor in the T90SR has a proven track record & is bulletproof. Changing from Mira to Triton isn't a big job for a professional


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭ADSLUSER


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I was looking forward to this shower after being told that they were Three years working on it. I was disappointed to see that it's the same shower with a new motor. It looks identical to the QT. Exact same casing except now it says Mira Elite SE rather than Mira Elite SE. Cover still doesn't fit correctly & it's still the same cheap plastic that becomes very brittle is a short period of time. Same cheap shower hose that bends & tears near the shower head. Same cheap shower head that you'll struggle to get onto the hose because it's cheaply made & the threads are bad. Exact same shower pole that cracks & breaks after a few months.You have all of the above & even worse still is you have to deal with The Shower Doctors (Mira's customer care in Ireland) when something does go wrong. Until they actually listen to the people installing this shower day in & day out I can't see them getting it right.



    It's far too early to know if the motor is good or bad. They are charging an extra 10 euro or so for this "new" model. My advice is the Triton T90SR is still the best pumped electric shower on the market. The motor in the T90SR has a proven track record & is bulletproof. Changing from Mira to Triton isn't a big job for a professional

    Wow, that's very disappointing,you would have expected Mira to up their game giving the problems with the QT and many customers moving over to Triton. I hope the motor is at least up to scratch this time round if everything else looks the same...only time will tell I guess. Is the new motor quieter than the QT or sounds the same? The T90SR seems to be the quietest around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭John.G


    A neighbour called me a few weeks ago re problem with his Mira QT, his header tank had run low due to mains being off all day. I was able to remove the filter which is accessible without removing the cover and just pused up the poppet valve with my finger until I got rid of air.
    My nose was at me so I removed the cover and was pleasantly surprised to see no signs of cracking etc but whoever had installed it had put washers and pieces of insertion rubber under the securing screws. The shower is installed for over 3 years I think and is in daily use @ 2 showers/day and has given no trouble.
    I didn,t think it was particularly quiet but then again I had nothing to compare it with, I will post when it does give any trouble, hopefully years down the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    ADSLUSER wrote: »
    Wow, that's very disappointing,you would have expected Mira to up their game giving the problems with the QT and many customers moving over to Triton. I hope the motor is at least up to scratch this time round if everything else looks the same...only time will tell I guess. Is the new motor quieter than the QT or sounds the same? The T90SR seems to be the quietest around.




    The motor & power pack look like they could be made in the same factory as the Triton showers I think the Mira motor is slightly nosier than the Triton but it's a little unfair to say for sure unless I had Triton & Mira on the same wall. Different bathrooms have different acoustics. I think the inside of the Mira shower is good now. We sell a lot of solenoids & TCOs for this model but outside of this I'm happy with it. It's the poor design of the back casing, front cover, inlet cover, hose, pole & shower head that I have a problem with. I think they have gotten the inside of the shower working well now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,407 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Need to replace the thermal switch in my shower. Rang around local and the closest they have is one for Mira Elite 2.
    Does anyone know if its comparable with QT?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Need to replace the thermal switch in my shower. Rang around local and the closest they have is one for Mira Elite 2.
    Does anyone know if its comparable with QT?


    Mira Elite QT TCO

    https://www.dublinshowerrepair.com/product/mira-elite-qt-tco/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,407 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Sleeper12 wrote: »

    Thanks. I'm based in Galway though. Hoping to get the job done today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Thanks. I'm based in Galway though. Hoping to get the job done today.

    It's not a part that regular plumbing suppliers will stock. Chadwicks, heat merchants etc will need to order the part in & mira will post it out from Dublin Monday or Tuesday. The only chance you have (imo) of getting it done today is to engage a local shower repair company to repair the shower, if there is such a company.

    Sorry I can't be more helpful


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,407 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    It's not a part that regular plumbing suppliers will stock. Chadwicks, heat merchants etc will need to order the part in & mira will post it out from Dublin Monday or Tuesday. The only chance you have (imo) of getting it done today is to engage a local shower repair company to repair the shower, if there is such a company.

    Sorry I can't be more helpful


    Ya, I rang around the locals and they all stock the switch for the ST model but weren't sure if they were compatable with mine.
    I've ordered online so just have to wait it out.
    Thanks for your help.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 693 ✭✭✭The Satanist


    Hi all, I've had this shower fitted about 18 months ago with no issues. Until yesterday... cold water is trickling out of the filter thing when in use, it's not loose or damaged, any suggestions what might be causing this?


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