Discovery 3x13 - 'That Hope Is You, Part 2' ~~ { Spoilers Within }

squonk · 09-01-2021 1:06am

I have to second everything else that was said here. I’m particularly annoyed by Tilly just giving up the captaincy just, because! For god sake, after watching years of TNG! TOS, DS9, ENT and even Voyager, The one constant is that being the guy sitting in that chair is the important thing. What Tilly did was pathetic.

I said to a friend of mine who I discuss the episodes with that if Burnham becomes captain, I’m out. So I’m pretty much done now. I won’t watch a show where Saru is relegated to first officer. Not anymore. From what I’d seen he was a good captain.

The sad thing is that, obvious crap aside, the two episodes before hand were pretty entertaining.

Time to look forward to the pike series and Picard season 2 perhaps.

Smacruairi · 09-01-2021 1:37am

Just watched it. That was genuinely awful. Seriously bad. Like, spectacularly bad. It's Shades of Grey bad.

When Owo says "I love you" to her passed out crewmates.

Was the hologram of the mother explaining the burn meant to be a reveal? Didn't they tell us that with him getting upset and sending a shockwave? Clearly it was his mum dying like. Was that meant to be a twist?

Why did the holo monster attack Burnham last ep but was now OK? It was meant to test Sukal, so why attack a randomer?

What the absolute hell was that turbolift? That fantastic scene in the Trek movies of the lads climbing the ladder... And they give us this? Even Jean Luc with the kids had a great turbo lift scene. That's not how turbolifts work?! I thought maybe that's the new transport to the detached nacelles.... But nope... Data core.

Why does the data core look like that? What was she pushed into. Why would they have a wall that might attack people. Why would Osira think that might have killed Burnham?

Book is able to just fly... Because he can feel like an animal... Despite the fact that the whole point was Stamets merging with the DNA meant he got like a genetic internal map. Was this actually feelings win over facts?

Gray. Just go fck off. Why are you on the bridge. Why are you a thing. Just get the absolute. And why did Culber give them a creepy hug too.

Michael. Oh Michael. Just everything you did, everything that happened. "you taught us about ourselves" from the admiral. No, she is a sap. Get a uniform that fits! Why doesn't the sassy engineer call her out on her sht.

I've never been so unhappy with stuff, not since the end of Got. I was so happy with Lower Decks. That was amazing, really good stuff. I just feel so let down. I feel like the lad in the pub saying "not in my day" but I'm in my 30s like. It's aggravating.

And to the guy talking about his wife and the pillow... My wife gave up half way through season 2 and thinks I'm a masochist for going back. I'm off to get drunk and watch YouTube compilations of good trek.

And I loved the reboot movie (the first one!)

09-01-2021 1:39am

Whats really annoying is that a 32st C Star Trek where the Federation is in trouble, where warp has all but disappeared, all of that could have been great.

but it was bollocks.

09-01-2021 1:40am

It's the viewscreen monster eater raaaar

Definitely not a safety risk if you fall into it

De Bhál · 09-01-2021 1:43am

Probably one of the better episodes of this season i thought . The bar was touching the ground the standard was so low.
Saru dealing with yer man was nicely done. He's an excellent actor, and it only hit me when he's out of kelpian costume how good.

Burnham breaking Book out the back door of the torture scene was laughable. Then the whole turbo lift scene, like something you'd see on a mission impossible tom cruise movie.
Flying turbolifts, I have no idea what that was about. I actually at the time thought they were outside the ship but within that Federation bubble thing. But no, apparently not, turns out Discovery is hollow or something.

Wheelchair orion guy now part of the crew is he? Another box ticked I suppose.

Gray Adira stuff, just fast forward through that ****e.

Green witch gone thankfully.

Cannot get worse so I will tune in next season.

De Bhál · 09-01-2021 1:52am

Smacruairi wrote: »

When Owo says "I love you" to her passed out crewmates.

Oh I fast forwarded through that muck.

Oh and Burnham also sending the coded message to Tilly,
We're pressed for time here but gather round me while I waste it telling ye about the time I got drunk playing cards with Michael.
Should've just said that msg was for me this is what we do.
Maybe go back to it later when she meets Burnham

CastorTroy · 09-01-2021 1:56am

Those ambassadors arriving at starfleet HQ at the end reminded me of Witches and wizards arriving at the Ministry of Magic

Banana Republic 1 · 09-01-2021 1:57am

squonk wrote: »

I have to second everything else that was said here. I’m particularly annoyed by Tilly just giving up the captaincy just, because! For god sake, after watching years of TNG! TOS, DS9, ENT and even Voyager, The one constant is that being the guy sitting in that chair is the important thing. What Tilly did was pathetic.

I said to a friend of mine who I discuss the episodes with that if Burnham becomes captain, I’m out. So I’m pretty much done now. I won’t watch a show where Saru is relegated to first officer. Not anymore. From what I’d seen he was a good captain.

The sad thing is that, obvious crap aside, the two episodes before hand were pretty entertaining.

Time to look forward to the pike series and Picard season 2 perhaps.

Picard is muck but unlike discovery it can’t be erased to by the franchise. Any trek kurtzmann is attached too is going to destroy the brand.

Smacruairi · 09-01-2021 1:57am

Nivar showed up... Did nothing. Trill Joined federation for... Dilithium? Is the federation buying people?

Mr Meanor · 09-01-2021 1:58am

I gave up on the season half way through, couldn't take anymore crying or bad science concepts.
But one thing that also jarred me out of the story (apart from the crappy writing) was the special effects.
They were awful..very soft, all over the place and cartoony, in fact I've seen other sci-fi cartoons and anime were the effects were more life-like.

Thank God for the Expanse, at least some sci-fi shows can show how it's done.

GSPfan · 09-01-2021 2:03am

The sphere data will have to play a bigger role in season 4 surely. I still think they’ll do a Borg storyline. We know for sure Burnham will save the Federation/Galaxy/Universe.

AllForIt · 09-01-2021 2:13am

Please don't bring the Borg into disco. Do they want to ruin everything?

PhiloCypher · 09-01-2021 2:22am

GSPfan wrote: »

The sphere data will have to play a bigger role in season 4 surely. I still think they’ll do a Borg storyline. We know for sure Burnham will save the Federation/Galaxy/Universe.

They were essentially expendable robotic Porgs. An absolute waste. I'd rather they'd not acknowledged it at all this season (beyond the computer giving Saru weird answers that time), if they were just going to infantalize it like that.

~Rebel~ · 09-01-2021 2:39am

Atrocious.

Though at times at least I couldn't hear the horrendous dialogue over the sounds of my own internal screaming.

Ah well, as I said a few episodes ago, this is the end of the Discovery journey for me. I could have just about stuck with the CW emotional teen approach, if it wasn't executed so poorly. The writing, the lack of character development, the headache inducing and counter productive cinematography - spinning and twirling randomly through episodes like a child on a sugar high... it's all just baffling, and disappointing.

(p.s. Where the bejesus was the rest of the crew throughout all this!? Y'know, all those no-name schlubs that left their families and risked their lives travelling a thousand years into the future for a lady who doesn't give a fuck about them?)

Smacruairi · 09-01-2021 2:39am

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Atrocious.

Though at times at least I couldn't hear the horrendous dialogue over the sounds of my own internal screaming.

Ah well, as I said a few episodes ago, this is the end of the Discovery journey for me. I could have just about stuck with the CW emotional teen approach, if it wasn't executed so poorly. The writing, the lack of character development, the headache inducing and counter productive cinematography - spinning and twirling randomly through episodes like a child on a sugar high... it's all just baffling, and disappointing.

That ****ing camera twirl

flazio · 09-01-2021 2:49am

Maybe the sphere needs a human interface.
Oh, I know

Rawr · 09-01-2021 8:15am

flazio wrote: »

Maybe the sphere needs a human interface.
Oh, I know

I would love Star Trek to have a Janice. Would have instantly improved Discovery.

somuj · 09-01-2021 8:25am

I love all trek, Archer, Jane way love them all.

That was not trek. Fast and furious with the 57,000 mile runway reminded me of.

Grrrrr at it.

'let's fly'

All the words in the language

ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

De Bhál · 09-01-2021 9:18am

somuj wrote: »

I love all trek, Archer, Jane way love them all.

That was not trek. Fast and furious with the 57,000 mile runway reminded me of.

Grrrrr at it.

'let's fly'

All the words in the language

ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

Yeah I'm not sure 'let's fly' works i mean this ship mostly seems to travel by spinning through some magic mushrooms and appearing instantly at it's location.
No flying involved, or is there? I'm not too up on how that mycelium network functions.

breezy1985 · 09-01-2021 9:19am

De Bhál wrote: »

Probably one of the better episodes of this season i thought . The bar was touching the ground the standard was so low.
Saru dealing with yer man was nicely done. He's an excellent actor, and it only hit me when he's out of kelpian costume how good.

Burnham breaking Book out the back door of the torture scene was laughable. Then the whole turbo lift scene, like something you'd see on a mission impossible tom cruise movie.
Flying turbolifts, I have no idea what that was about. I actually at the time thought they were outside the ship but within that Federation bubble thing. But no, apparently not, turns out Discovery is hollow or something.

Wheelchair orion guy now part of the crew is he? Another box ticked I suppose.

Gray Adira stuff, just fast forward through that ****e.

Green witch gone thankfully.

Cannot get worse so I will tune in next season.

I really with they could let Adira have a storyline about getting over Grey rather than trying to revive her.

As for wheelchair guy the actor Kenneth Mitchell played some of the main Klingons in the first 2 seasons but then got ALS and they didn't want to just sack him because of it so ide say fair play to them there.

Overall they seem completely unable to portray emotion in a mature way and it feels like we have gotten the writers from From Glee, Sabrina or some other teen drama

Rawr · 09-01-2021 9:38am

So...watched that final episode, which frankly should actually be a final episode. For crying out loud they had a Roddenberry quote and the TOS theme at the end.

Captain Michael Burnham...they actually did it, and with that I'm not sure if I can muster enough enthusiasm to watch further. For a season finale this episode had the same impact as a wet sponge. It wasn't a horrible episode at all, but it lacked any real impact.

I'm not a fan of those new uniforms either. I'm glad the department colours are back, but other than that they are far too bland.

I know they are filming a 4th Season, but for the life of me I can't understand why. It's a technically improved show in this season but it is still not fun to watch. Right now most of my Trek hopes lie with Kurtzman keeping well away from Season 2 of Lower Decks so that we'll get some more fun Trek when that comes out.

breezy1985 · 09-01-2021 11:20am

Rawr wrote: »

So...watched that final episode, which frankly should actually be a final episode. For crying out loud they had a Roddenberry quote and the TOS theme at the end.

Captain Michael Burnham...they actually did it, and with that I'm not sure if I can muster enough enthusiasm to watch further. For a season finale this episode had the same impact as a wet sponge. It wasn't a horrible episode at all, but it lacked any real impact.

I'm not a fan of those new uniforms either. I'm glad the department colours are back, but other than that they are far too bland.

I know they are filming a 4th Season, but for the life of me I can't understand why. It's a technically improved show in this season but it is still not fun to watch. Right now most of my Trek hopes lie with Kurtzman keeping well away from Season 2 of Lower Decks so that we'll get some more fun Trek when that comes out.

It's sad that after 3 seasons I actually don't know what colour Detmer, Owo and the high five guys are going to be in the traditional division colours

...Ghost... · 09-01-2021 11:38am

Discovery is a cheap T-shirt with a star trek label stamped onto it. Like Picard, this abomination has sought to destroy masculinity by stamping woke gender fluidity all over it. I say this as a person who liked Voyager above the other ST series, so I have zero issue with strong female roles, but not when the males are by and large being portrayed as weak underlings who are there only to support the female cast. The most masculine role in my view is Burnhams boyfriend, but even he is there only to support her character as she transitions into the new timeline.

I find it difficult to watch and I don't find myself waiting for the next episode. I forget about it and watch an episode at random when I see it on the list. Honestly, I should have stopped watching this when I found out the lead character has a boys name. Haven't watched the last episode. Probably won't bother. I definitely won't be tuning into another season of this crap.

Banana Republic 1 · 09-01-2021 11:53am

This was originally meant to be a 10 episode series but they filled it out with dogsh1te to get 13.

muckwarrior · 09-01-2021 11:57am

"Let's fly"

That really was the cherry-shaped turd on top of a giant turd of an episode.

flazio · 09-01-2021 12:18pm

...Ghost... wrote: »

Discovery is a cheap T-shirt with a star trek label stamped onto it. Like Picard, this abomination has sought to destroy masculinity by stamping woke gender fluidity all over it. I say this as a person who liked Voyager above the other ST series, so I have zero issue with strong female roles, but not when the males are by and large being portrayed as weak underlings who are there only to support the female cast. The most masculine role in my view is Burnhams boyfriend, but even he is there only to support her character as she transitions into the new timeline.

I find it difficult to watch and I don't find myself waiting for the next episode. I forget about it and watch an episode at random when I see it on the list. Honestly, I should have stopped watching this when I found out the lead character has a boys name. Haven't watched the last episode. Probably won't bother. I definitely won't be tuning into another season of this crap.

You don't see Saru, Staments and Culber as men? Why not?

Sarn · 09-01-2021 12:41pm

The frustrating thing about this show is that it wouldn’t take much to improve it. So much potential lost. I tolerate a lot of poor shows, but even I find myself rolling my eyes at all the tears, everyone looking at Burnham with starry eyes as she saves the day and all the whispering.

Just to add, there was only one emergency rebreather available, on the tardis, sorry, starship?

Brian CivilEng · 09-01-2021 12:50pm

Was this supposed to be a series finale, not just a season finale? Because it felt quite rushed and seemed to be attempting to tie up multiple plot points. Maybe it had been cancelled and revived in the background?

I have seen worse Star Trek episodes, but this will not be one I plan on rewatching. I don't want to come across as too critical, there were some good storylines there but they did not pull it off.

The Burn being caused by a child was a very Star Trek concept, they just didn't make a Star Trek story out of it. If it was me, rather than making it a season long mystery about the entire universe, I'd have made it a single episode story. Maybe push to a two parter. The entire federation on the brink could have been achieved if they just said that the universe was running out of dilithium, Discovery as part of an armada rocks up to a planet with potential to resupply the fleet, switches off warp drive for plot reasons. Contact attempted with surface, all ships except Discovery explode. Saru and Culber beam down to the planet, then bad guys show up distracting Discovery. We have the scenes play out on the surface, and on the ship we have Tilly attempting to negotiate with the bad guy. Saru sorts out the kid, but they can't contact Discovery and radiation sickness is starting to take hold. Meanwhile back on the ship bad guy is attacking but Tilly remembers something that happened when she was back at the academy, (when she was almost a year younger). Deus ex machina, bad guy shakes fist and shouts "next time Discovery, next time!" then warps away. Saru, Culber and the child beamed back to the ship and Detmer is ordered to set course for Kaminar.

Final scene, Saru and bridge crew are discussing episode and Saru makes some sort of comment of how an innocent child could cause so much destruction without meaning it. Everyone laughs. Then the Gene Roddenberry quote appears on screen and the closing music plays.

I switch off, tell my wife it was a solid season finale, look forward to next year and carry on with my life.

PS Michael Burnham died on the way back to her home planet.

GSPfan · 09-01-2021 1:01pm

What happened to the melody storyline? I’m assuming it was a lullaby that kid knew and some bollox about dilitium sub space transmitted it to everyone subconsciously but did they actually reference it before the end of the season?

GSPfan · 09-01-2021 1:05pm

flazio wrote: »

You don't see Saru, Staments and Culber as men? Why not?

If you’re going to try call someone out on something then at least make sure you reference something they said or meant. Neither of those things apply to your comment.

GSPfan · 09-01-2021 1:14pm

...Ghost... wrote: »

Discovery is a cheap T-shirt with a star trek label stamped onto it. Like Picard, this abomination has sought to destroy masculinity by stamping woke gender fluidity all over it. I say this as a person who liked Voyager above the other ST series, so I have zero issue with strong female roles, but not when the males are by and large being portrayed as weak underlings who are there only to support the female cast. The most masculine role in my view is Burnhams boyfriend, but even he is there only to support her character as she transitions into the new timeline.

I find it difficult to watch and I don't find myself waiting for the next episode. I forget about it and watch an episode at random when I see it on the list. Honestly, I should have stopped watching this when I found out the lead character has a boys name. Haven't watched the last episode. Probably won't bother. I definitely won't be tuning into another season of this crap.

I generally agree with you in terms of the lack of heterosexual “normal everyday men” types in this season. There has been those types in previous seasons. Pike and Spock last season would fall into that category. Lorca and Tyler from season 1. You could say Admiral Vance fits the bill this season and up until the second half of the season when they made Saru an emotional wreck he was the strong male lead.

I think the problem with this show is not that there are no male leads that aren’t in some way inferior to females, it’s that there are no lead characters who aren’t inferior to Michael fookin Burnham.

I have no problem with every character being gender fluid, gay, straight, inter-species, whatever. I have a huge problem with everyone of those categories being represented on a military style futuristic space ship as being a quivering wreck of emotions.

PhiloCypher · 09-01-2021 1:20pm

GSPfan wrote: »

What happened to the melody storyline? I’m assuming it was a lullaby that kid knew and some bollox about dilitium sub space transmitted it to everyone subconsciously but did they actually reference it before the end of the season?

Adira and Stamets explained it, What they thought was a lullaby was the distress beacon refracted by the nebula that somehow subliminally picked up by various species, and over the 100 years or so it was broadcast, turned into music/lullaby.

flazio · 09-01-2021 1:22pm

GSPfan wrote: »

If you’re going to try call someone out on something then at least make sure you reference something they said or meant. Neither of those things apply to your comment.

If I tried to directly call out the tones of trans and homophobia I perceived in the post. I'd probably be accused of being one of the "woke".
Star Trek doesn't need a heterosexual flirt anymore to "tick a box" as to what belongs on Star Trek.

breezy1985 · 09-01-2021 1:32pm

Sarn wrote: »

The frustrating thing about this show is that it wouldn’t take much to improve it. So much potential lost. I tolerate a lot of poor shows, but even I find myself rolling my eyes at all the tears, everyone looking at Burnham with starry eyes as she saves the day and all the whispering.

Just to add, there was only one emergency rebreather available, on the tardis, sorry, starship?

With the tech they have there should be a little pack that turns into a full space suit in seconds. These lads don't have a clue how to write sci-fi like this

breezy1985 · 09-01-2021 1:34pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

"Let's fly"

That really was the cherry-shaped turd on top of a giant turd of an episode.

So many people on Trek sites who rate every episode as a 10/10 talking about how cool that was.

It sounds rubbish

Rawr · 09-01-2021 1:55pm

Brian CivilEng wrote: »

PS Michael Burnham died on the way back to her home planet.

Here's some exclusive CGI of that scene:

...Ghost... · 09-01-2021 2:38pm

flazio wrote: »

You don't see Saru, Staments and Culber as men? Why not?

What a pathetic attempt of claiming some sort of "insert"-phobia into what I said. I am none of these, though I do have a problem with the stomping out of iconic characters like Picard and the sudden transformation of Seven into a lesbian in the final second of Picard....with no explanation or back story.

Saru, Staments and Culber are all men, but are far from being masculine men. Saru is weak and on a number of occasions was shown to question his place as captain. His authority undermined by Burnham at every opportunity and her actions always justified.

Staments function is a glorified auto-pilot who becomes the wise counsellor to a teenager who identifies as a "they" who has a dead feminine boyfriend. Culber is a supporting character to Staments, serving little more purpose in the series than being the lover of Staments. Otherwise he is a third rate character.

There is a lot of LGBTQ representation in the show, but it adds almost nothing to the storyline and serves as empty filler and box ticking most of the time. The cost is that we lose strong masculine-male characters, of which we had few to begin with in s1 and 2.

breezy1985 · 09-01-2021 2:44pm

...Ghost... wrote: »

What a pathetic attempt of claiming some sort of "insert"-phobia into what I said. I am none of these, though I do have a problem with the stomping out of iconic characters like Picard and the sudden transformation of Seven into a lesbian in the final second of Picard....with no explanation or back story.

Saru, Staments and Culber are all men, but are far from being masculine men. Saru is weak and on a number of occasions was shown to question his place as captain. His authority undermined by Burnham at every opportunity and her actions always justified.

Staments function is a glorified auto-pilot who becomes the wise counsellor to a teenager who identifies as a "they" who has a dead feminine boyfriend. Culber is a supporting character to Staments, serving little more purpose in the series than being the lover of Staments. Otherwise he is a third rate character.

There is a lot of LGBTQ representation in the show, but it adds almost nothing to the storyline and serves as empty filler and box ticking most of the time. The cost is that we lose strong masculine-male characters, of which we had few to begin with in s1 and 2.

To begin with what's a masculine male ?

And rant on all you want I don't think anyone is gonna believe you don't have an agenda here

seamus · 09-01-2021 2:54pm

I enjoyed the episode overall, more than most others this season. I'm even willing to accept the magic science to explain the burn, and that explains why Booker can fly the spore drive.

Not happy about Burnham as Captain, doesn't bode well for next season. Also the dead boyfriend manifesting as a holo. Come on ta fvck. More than happy to accept his existence as something Adira could see. Seeing visions of past hosts is well established as something that happens with Trill. But him magically appearing as a sentient separate holo, just turns it into a joke.

touts · 09-01-2021 2:59pm

Thank God this season is over. After two good seasons delving into the origins of Star Trek characters and storylines and having a grand vision for a wider universe this season felt like something 10 mates slapped together in their basement. They clearly had no idea what the story arc was to be after the end of Season 2 and it showed.

Hopefully they kill it now and go back to focus on Pike and Spock.

09-01-2021 3:00pm

heebusjeebus wrote: »

That was brutal.
What logic is there to have so much empty space around the turbo shafts yet they still have cramped Jeffries tubes.

TOS Enterprise was something like 3 to 4 hundred metres long. Given what we have seen of the mind-boggling amount of empty space the federation must have Tardis technology that they have never mentioned before. Dont know who the writers are but they cannot be Star Trek fans.

As much as I disliked Simon Pegg bigging up his own role too much, you can clearly see he was a fan of Trek

09-01-2021 3:16pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Ha ha, I just remembered my favourite part, when they detach the nacelle and the spaceship skids... in space.
I was just waiting to hear a shriek of tyres it was so bad!

Special mention to the new pyjamas they all seem to be wearing.

They detach the nacelle with a bomb, but seems to be in place in later shots?!

The physics of an effective hand brake turn at multiples the speed of light and the crew get thrown a few feet... :pac::pac::pac:

Acosta · 09-01-2021 3:24pm

In terms of spoilers it didn't really help that Netflix have a still shot of Adira, Stamets and the doctor just after you click to play the episode. Then again I wasn't expecting any mad twists.

I remember when JJ Abrams was being interviewed before his first Star Trek movie come out. He was speaking about always liking Star Trek, but there was often a lack of good action sequences, which I thought was a fair point.
Now 10 years on, good action sequences is really all we're left with.

Hopefully we'll get a funny Redlettermedia review to make watching all that ****e worthwhile.

Oh and the burn. What a stinking pile of **** of any idea that was!

09-01-2021 3:33pm

GSPfan wrote: »

What happened to the melody storyline? I’m assuming it was a lullaby that kid knew and some bollox about dilitium sub space transmitted it to everyone subconsciously but did they actually reference it before the end of the season?

To quote Forrest Gump directly from a deleted scene. Bollix is as Bollix does.

...Ghost... · 09-01-2021 4:05pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

To begin with what's a masculine male ?

And rant on all you want I don't think anyone is gonna believe you don't have an agenda here

How about you tell us what a masculine female is?
Googling the term, the very first image is this
https://miro.medium.com/max/409/1*jyY7lGM06pRobLq-EdxN-g.jpeg

If I had an agenda, it was was achieved when I gave MY opinion on DT Disco. Then a couple of people tried to twist my comment into something it was not. Don't have a melt down, it's just my opinion. You can have yours too.

helimachoptor · 09-01-2021 4:30pm

Acosta wrote: »

In terms of spoilers it didn't really help that Netflix have a still shot of Adira, Stamets and the doctor just after you click to play the episode. Then again I wasn't expecting any mad twists.

I remember when JJ Abrams was being interviewed before his first Star Trek movie come out. He was speaking about always liking Star Trek, but there was often a lack of good action sequences, which I thought was a fair point.
Now 10 years on, good action sequences is really all we're left with.

Hopefully we'll get a funny Redlettermedia review to make watching all that ****e worthwhile.

Oh and the burn. What a stinking pile of **** of any idea that was!

Thought the action in this was poor. At HQ was poor, the vulcans coming in was poor, was all poor imo.

muckwarrior · 09-01-2021 4:46pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

So many people on Trek sites who rate every episode as a 10/10 talking about how cool that was.

It sounds rubbish

What's worse is that it wasn't even just an off the cuff kind of thing. They actually spent part of the season setting it up, and that was the best they could come up with?!

I am (was?) generally a fan of discovery. I don't get the people who slate every episode and yet continue watching for some reason. I liked the first 2 seasons and even a lot of this one, but that was one of the worst episodes of Star Trek I've ever seen. Its like they got someone like Michael Bay in, and just gave him a one paragraph synopsis of the storyline and said "Have at it".

FutureGuy · 09-01-2021 5:18pm

Silly writing. Silly silly blocking.

- Book, go use the spore drive. Yay, we are saved.
- The ship is hollow and 3 kilometers long/wide
- Didn't we reveal Su'kal was the cause of the Burn about 9 times?
- They are making a Star Trek show without any thought for what a Trek fan would want. Ni'var ships arrive? Here are some grainy, long-distance copy and paste jobs. USS Voyager ready to go? Barely show it.
- Did I mention the hollow ship?
- Stamets has turned into a whiny little b!tch.
- Fcuking pesticide bombs. Pesticide? Really? Best you could write?
- Technology makes no sense. "let's beam the enemy off the ship" - erm they can just beam back on immediately.
- The whole premise is that everyone is far away from each other due to the Burn but Vulcans could be there with a FLEET in what seems like 6 hours? Come on.
- The data core and the Oryssa fight. Jesus.

Slydice · 09-01-2021 5:49pm

Finally got to watch it! There was a lot going on in the episode. Looks like no going back or rewriting what's happened. Towards the end on the dilithium planet, it almost looked like all they needed to do was send down Culber and he coulda sorted it. I liked the story of the mother setting it all up and her closing moments in the recording.

For where it's going next season.. it almost feels like a retour of ToS might be on the cards. I imagine Starfleet are going to emerge as a way bigger power in the quadrant/galaxy if they are the only ones with large amounts of dilithiumand the spore tech. Bookers people might be in a similar position with the spore drives.

Like the Roddenberry quote and ToS theme playing at the end.

Banana Republic 1 · 09-01-2021 6:08pm

touts wrote: »

After two good seasons.

The first one was watchable the other two were dreadful. Even if they do go back to Pike and Spock kurtzmann will still be in charges so very little will change in terms of quality story telling. Spock has also been disembowelled by std and it could be difficult to get away from that.

Discovery 3x13 - 'That Hope Is You, Part 2' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

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Discovery 3x13 - 'That Hope Is You, Part 2' ~~ { Spoilers Within }