profit for dairy leased land

alps wrote: »

Up front answer in fairness..

It makes sense though for someone who can establish payments on this clean ground and it will converge towards the average.

In effect you are collecting some of his new payment also..

This is why I suggest, that as long as there are 2 people interested in the ground, the landlord will always recieve the BP...maybe not all, but certainly the higher share of it..

And while the landlord recieved the BP, the tenant will just have to get over it...sure it mightn't be too long before the tenant becomes the landlord..

Or he is collecting some of my payment, after all I own the entitlement.
As for the land that I set without the entitlement, I'm getting a percentage of HIS entitlements and a percentage of the entitlements that I've rented out.
It's rented to someone that would've got no subsidy for the last few years if I hadn't been so generous :rolleyes:

alps wrote: »

Exactly.....and this is why the payment will continue to go to the landlord..its a pointless arguement otherwise..

As long as their is a link to the Ha of land, the landlord will get it.

Can the whole thing start from scratch again and link it in some way to the output of a farmer? Hardly...but it would be the only way of directing a payment to the producer and not the landlord..

The rents will reflect the income available on the land whether the money comes from product price or subsidy. EU is unlikely to go back to subsidising production.

They lease is up after 5 years so, if the system changes hel be looking for more rent I'd imagine of his entitlements are lost

kevthegaff wrote: »

I'm paying nice money plus giving back all his entitlements which are low value. He was getting disadvantage which he wont now as my home place has it. Hes getting similar money to wranglers, but it's one big field where I can spread slurry on the 15th of january if needs be.

With the next round of CAP entitlements will do verge towards the national average. At a guess they will all be in a price range of 200-500 by 2025. The greening element which is about 30% will not be automatically ensured as green by definition especially for farmer with derogations may be changed. This will reduce rental costs but also reduce EU payments.

The market will have to return more to keep milk production viable

https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/farm-property/see-inside-this-wexford-farm-for-lease-with-329ac-three-farmyards-and-sheds-for-750-cattle-39561364.html

Theres only one man going to make money on this

K.G. wrote: »

Its cheap really,set up a nice simple one show with 250 cows and followers . Alot easier than hardship here with land all over the place tight gaps,small roads,steep hills and bogey corners a d higher rainfall. Not a place id buy but a long term lease would be ok

Sounds like there’s salt water underneath. So what would the bill for mains water cost for that size of a dairy farm.

older by the day wrote: »

Life is too short, hard enough to make a good living on my own land than be paying a big lease. As well. House is getting old, are the Slats replaced.

Half of them are broken as far as I'm.aware
The water table there would be very close to the surface, I don't know how you'd graze it during spring and autumn

Not worth what price has being talked about

4km from the sea and being protected by a pumping station.

What the crack with that. Why would opw be doing that and at what cost ??

older by the day wrote: »

Life is too short, hard enough to make a good living on my own land than be paying a big lease. As well. House is getting old, are the Slats replaced.

Cant see that yard passing a cross compliance inspection, the neck of wanting 220 plus a acre rent and to retain the 60 odd k of entitlements and expect the tenant to fix the place up to standard and maintain it is a pisstake

If anyone's been to the Bannow show it's on the land side of the showgrounds.
The famous saying is it never rains on show down there and they have their own microclimate like Buford in Kazakhstan.

It would be great early ground and probably best suited for grass. If tillage guys like gtm above suggested are out then the next best offers could be from dairy farms in the area which are few and far between. There is a few though could be interested even for silage ground.

I was down in Bridgetown last week and livestock are gone scarce with straw bales on fields all over.

https://www.iwai.ie/slaney/btown_hist.htm

K.G. wrote: »

Ah lads 70 year old milking 220 cows and his son milking 160 on a leased block farming near here are doing a swap.the son is coming home to milk 300 + cows and the old fella is retiring to milk the 160.what s wrong with ye

Poor owl creature knows nothing else after devoting his life to the cause

Tonynewholland wrote: »

And probably paying the tax man well for the privilege

Only if he is actually making a profit

straight wrote: »

Poor owl creature knows nothing else after devoting his life to the cause

I suppose u could say it was better than another cause :-D

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