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Aritech CS350 Alarm - Low Battery

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  • #152
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Aritech themselves are the only places I have ever sourced them from. Some older panels are socket mounted. Others are soldered. Or else get someone out to flash it for you.


  • #153
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,283 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Apologies for the bump, but i've read the whole thread and it possibly answer my question, but i just want to be sure. I have and Aritech CS450, low battery. I know the battery i need to get, but what i want to know is do i need to cut the power to it before replacing it? Or can i just replace the battery straight up.

    I'm far from an electrical genius. I can wire plugs and lights, that's about the extent of it.


  • #154
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Apologies for the bump, but i've read the whole thread and it possibly answer my question, but i just want to be sure. I have and Aritech CS450, low battery. I know the battery i need to get, but what i want to know is do i need to cut the power to it before replacing it? Or can i just replace the battery straight up.

    I'm far from an electrical genius. I can wire plugs and lights, that's about the extent of it.

    It is purely from a safety point of view that we advise people to turn off the electricity, there is more than likely a sticker on the panel cover which also says that and has a warning symbol on it.
    To speak for all installers here, if I may, then obviously we do not want people putting themselves in the way of danger.


  • #155
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,283 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Cool, cheers for the reply. So, if i cut the power, without resetting that fuse, then it should keep the settings?


  • #156
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Cool, cheers for the reply. So, if i cut the power, without resetting that fuse, then it should keep the settings?

    It should yes.


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  • #157
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    Sorry for bumping this, my airtech alarm is also showing low battery on the display board. I have read through this post, but I didn't find any screws on the control panel. It is a white box, but there is neither screw on its right side nor on its left side or bottom, how to open it? I am worried that it will get broken if I open it just using my nails to grab the top lid off.


  • #158
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Sorry for bumping this, my airtech alarm is also showing low battery on the display board. I have read through this post, but I didn't find any screws on the control panel. It is a white box, but there is neither screw on its right side nor on its left side or bottom, how to open it? I am worried that it will get broken if I open it just using my nails to grab the top lid off.

    Sounds like the 350N in polycarbonate housing, light grey colour.
    If so it is prized open from the top.

    www.altor.ie



  • #159
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Sounds like the 350N in polycarbonate housing, light grey colour.
    If so it is prized open from the top.
    thanks so much Altor, I will try tomorrow and I will take a picture of that box if I still cannot open it.
    Thanks a lot!


  • #160
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    thanks so much Altor, I will try tomorrow and I will take a picture of that box if I still cannot open it.
    Thanks a lot!

    Your welcome HUIBIN, any problems let us know :)

    www.altor.ie



  • #161
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    Hi Altor, I take the picture of the airtech box, I upload them on internet, but as new user I cannot send url of images, I will try PM you, could you please take a look?

    I don't know how to open it, I also contacted the previous owner, he said:
    "Regarding the alarm, it operates on mains power so i don't think the battery is important for the intruder alarm system to work. We have the same situation in our new home and it is not something we will look at straight away. You could get the battery replaced."

    Others told me that the low battery will be a potential problem, if that is the case, I would like to try opening the box to see if I have any luck to change the battery by myself.

    Many thanks.
    Huibin


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  • #162
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    The low Battery can pull down the system and even pull it down enough to stop the keypad working thus meaning you cant switch it off.
    I would replace the battery as soon as you can to prevent any issues.

    www.altor.ie



  • #163
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    The low Battery can pull down the system and even pull it down enough to stop the keypad working thus meaning you cant switch it off.
    I would replace the battery as soon as you can to prevent any issues.

    Hi Jason, thanks for your reply. Did you see the picture of my alarm box, I sent them in PM. There might be some Chinese character in the webpage, please ignore them, just take a look at the pictures. Many thanks. I don't know how to open it?


  • #164
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    From the pictures you sent me it is a CS350N.
    Make sure you turn off the mains before opening the control panel.
    It is installed on its side so please be careful when opening the system to get at the battery. It may fall out. The lid should come away from the side that has the sounder installed beside it.

    www.altor.ie



  • #165
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    From the pictures you sent me it is a CS350N.
    Make sure you turn off the mains before opening the control panel.
    It is installed on its side so please be careful when opening the system to get at the battery. It may fall out. The lid should come away from the side that has the sounder installed beside it.

    Jason so you mean try opening it from its left side like open a door? Many thanks.


  • #166
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    Is there any tools needed or just use my finger to force it open from left side?


  • #167
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Jason so you mean try opening it from its left side like open a door? Many thanks.

    That is correct HUIBIN. When you get it out by the catches on the side you're opening it will just about give way so be careful with regard the battery as it may be loose inside the control panel.

    www.altor.ie



  • #168
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Is there any tools needed or just use my finger to force it open from left side?

    Fingers should be fine as I can't see a screw fitted to keep the lid close.
    Any problems use a flat head screw driver in the gap near the screw location to prize it open.

    www.altor.ie



  • #169
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Fingers should be fine as I can't see a screw fitted to keep the lid close.
    Any problems use a flat head screw driver in the gap near the screw location to prize it open.

    Thanks Jason for your advice, may I know what battery I need to buy? I want to buy the battery and then replace it at the same time I open the box.


  • #170
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Fingers should be fine as I can't see a screw fitted to keep the lid close.
    Any problems use a flat head screw driver in the gap near the screw location to prize it open.

    Jason will the alarm begin to sound loudly when I open the lid with its main power cut off? (As the back up battery is low battery I hope the alarm won't make too much noise while I try opening the lid)


  • #171
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Thanks Jason for your advice, may I know what battery I need to buy? I want to buy the battery and then replace it at the same time I open the box.

    A 12V 7 Amp battery is what I would use as a replacement.
    Some use a smaller Amp rating but this one will keep your system going longer in the event of a power cut.

    www.altor.ie



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  • #172
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Jason will the alarm begin to sound loudly when I open the lid with its main power cut off? (As the back up battery is low battery I hope the alarm won't make too much noise while I try opening the lid)

    If the battery is dead then the system should go off and external bell should ring. If there is a bit of power in the battery it may activate the internal too.

    www.altor.ie



  • #173
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    Thanks Jason. Is there a particular size demand on the battery or any 12V 7 Amp battery will do the job? Or the 12V 7 Amp battery are all in the same three dimensions？


  • #174
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    A 12V 7 Amp battery is what I would use as a replacement.
    Some use a smaller Amp rating but this one will keep your system going longer in the event of a power cut.
    After I put on the new battery it will automatically get recharged? I am just afraid if the battery volume went low again and it doesn't get charged automatically. Sorry for asking sooo many questions Jason, I am really appreciate your help. Thanks.


  • #175
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Thanks Jason. Is there a particular size demand on the battery or any 12V 7 Amp battery will do the job? Or the 12V 7 Amp battery are all in the same three dimensions？

    They should be the same size as this one.

    www.altor.ie



  • #176
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    After I put on the new battery it will automatically get recharged? I am just afraid if the battery volume went low again and it doesn't get charged automatically. Sorry for asking sooo many questions Jason, I am really appreciate your help. Thanks.

    Always happy to help :)
    The battery is a rechargeable battery. It will charge off the system once installed.
    You should get 5-6 years out of it.

    www.altor.ie



  • #177
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    They should be the same size as this one.

    Thanks Jason, I find someone is selling this on Amazon, Price: £14.60. Hope them do deliver to Ireland. As the seller is based in UK. So this battery will get recharged in the control panel automatically when the battery goes down?


  • #178
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Thanks Jason, I find someone is selling this on Amazon, Price: £14.60. Hope them do deliver to Ireland. As the seller is based in UK. So this battery will get recharged in the control panel automatically when the battery goes down?

    Have a look here on the suppliers list for a local supplier.
    The battery is charged off the system, its a trickle charge so should always be at full capacity if the mains goes off. After 5-6 years the battery reaches the end of its life. The system itself checks the voltage of the battery and will display the low battery warning if the battery needs to be replaced or has dropped below the recommended voltage after a power outage.
    In most cases when there has being a power cut the battery will display the low battery warning if it has used up most of its charge but after the mains comes back on recharges the battery.

    www.altor.ie



  • #179
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Have a look here on the suppliers list for a local supplier.
    The battery is charged off the system, its a trickle charge so should always be at full capacity if the mains goes off. After 5-6 years the battery reaches the end of its life. The system itself checks the voltage of the battery and will display the low battery warning if the battery needs to be replaced or has dropped below the recommended voltage after a power outage.
    In most cases when there has being a power cut the battery will display the low battery warning if it has used up most of its charge but after the mains comes back on recharges the battery.

    Jason, now I understand, many thanks. Really appreciate all the explanation. I will try find one from local supplier from the list you gave me.


  • #180
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    Jason I find you are one of the supplier, please send me a price including the postage if possible, many thanks.


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  • #181
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Jason, now I understand, many thanks. Really appreciate all the explanation. I will try find one from local supplier from the list you gave me.

    Your welcome, any other problems let us know :)

    www.altor.ie



  • #182
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Your welcome, any other problems let us know :)
    Jason, with your advise I opened the control panel successfully, now I have removed the battery and cut off the main power. When the new battery arrives (I haven't buy one yet), I can plug it in the original place in the control panel and apply the main power again and hopefully everything works again?

    Ps, the old battery is 12 Volt 3.3A, so I can buy a 12 Volt 7.0A as its replacement right? Many thanks.


  • #183
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Jason, with your advise I opened the control panel successfully, now I have removed the battery and cut off the main power. When the new battery arrives (I haven't buy one yet), I can plug it in the original place in the control panel and apply the main power again and hopefully everything works again?

    Ps, the old battery is 12 Volt 3.3A, so I can buy a 12 Volt 7.0A as its replacement right? Many thanks.

    If you close the control panel and turn back on the mains to the alarm you will be able to use the system till you replace the battery. Just note that if the mains goes off then the alarm will do the same without a back up battery.

    Yes, a lot of systems I come across has this battery installed inside it.
    I would replace with the 7 Amp as it will last longer in the event of a power cut.

    www.altor.ie



  • #184
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    If you close the control panel and turn back on the mains to the alarm you will be able to use the system till you replace the battery. Just note that if the mains goes off then the alarm will do the same without a back up battery.

    Yes, a lot of systems I come across has this battery installed inside it.
    I would replace with the 7 Amp as it will last longer in the event of a power cut.

    So Jason, you mean even if I don't buy the battery I still can use the alarm? Will it do any harm to the alarm system? As low battery will bring the potential problem to alarm system but will the absence of back up battery also bring harm to the system? If not, I would rather use it now and buy one a few months later. Will that be fine? (without considering the security problem, as I know if without the backup battery if the main supply is cut off the alarm could not sound) Many thanks.


  • #185
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    If you close the control panel and turn back on the mains to the alarm you will be able to use the system till you replace the battery. Just note that if the mains goes off then the alarm will do the same without a back up battery.

    Yes, a lot of systems I come across has this battery installed inside it.
    I would replace with the 7 Amp as it will last longer in the event of a power cut.

    Jason, I mean if the absence of battery will not cause harm to the alarm system I would rather use it without a battery installed in it at this stage. I will buy one a few months later.


  • #186
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    So Jason, you mean even if I don't buy the battery I still can use the alarm? Will it do any harm to the alarm system? As low battery will bring the potential problem to alarm system but will the absence of back up battery also bring harm to the system? If not, I would rather use it now and buy one a few months later. Will that be fine? (without considering the security problem, as I know if without the backup battery if the main supply is cut off the alarm could not sound) Many thanks.

    The system can still be used without the backup battery installed.
    The main harm caused is when you have the low battery still fitted in the alarm system as it is trying to get a charge from the system. It can cause issues if left there. I would replace as soon as possible rather than leave the system without it backup supply.

    www.altor.ie



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  • #187
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Jason, I mean if the absence of battery will not cause harm to the alarm system I would rather use it without a battery installed in it at this stage. I will buy one a few months later.

    It can't cause any harm if not fitted.
    I would replace as soon as possible tho..

    www.altor.ie



  • #188
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    So Jason you mean there won't be any harm to the system if the low battery is removed and I can rest assure that I can use it with main supply only.

    You suggest to have a back up battery installed as soon as possible is purely based on the security purpose, if theft came in without battery the alarm system won't work in case of power cut. Am I right?

    Sorry English isn't my native language, I have to double confirm that with you.

    Many thanks.


  • #189
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    So Jason you mean there won't be any harm to the system if the low battery is removed and I can rest assure that I can use it with main supply only.

    You suggest to have a back up battery installed as soon as possible is purely based on the security purpose, if theft came in without battery the alarm system won't work in case of power cut. Am I right?

    Sorry English isn't my native language, I have to double confirm that with you.

    Many thanks.

    Yes, that is correct.

    The main objective of the backup battery is to supply the system for 12 hours plus in the event of a power outage.

    www.altor.ie



  • #190
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Yes, that is correct.

    The main objective of the backup battery is to supply the system for 12 hours plus in the event of a power outage.

    Thanks Jason, I will buy one as soon as I can, before that I will use it with main supply only for this moment. Many thanks. You really helped me a lot.


  • #191
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Thanks Jason, I will buy one as soon as I can, before that I will use it with main supply only for this moment. Many thanks. You really helped me a lot.

    Your welcome, always happy to help :)

    www.altor.ie



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  • #192
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Your welcome, always happy to help :)

    Jason, I find the old battery is only 135mm*60mm*65mm in size, based on the model of alarm as you know, will a new battery with size 150mm*98mm**65mm (as 7.0A 12Volt batter is normally larger in size) be fitted in without lack of space?

    Thanks


  • #193
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    Jason, my model is 350N if I am not wrong, as you told me. Thanks.


  • #194
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Jason, my model is 350N if I am not wrong, as you told me. Thanks.

    Fits perfect into this system.

    www.altor.ie



  • #195
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Fits perfect into this system.

    That is cool, happy enough, thanks Jason


  • #196
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    That is cool, happy enough, thanks Jason

    No problem :)

    www.altor.ie



  • #197
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    No problem :)

    Jason, I checked on local supper, the 12v 3.2A Yuasa NP3.2-12 (12V 3.2AH) costs 20.3 euro,
    12v 7.0A Yuasa NP3.2-12 (12V 7AH) costs 29.80 euro.

    I know the 7.0A battery can provide 10 hours battery supply in case of power cut while 3.2A battery is like only less than 5 hours may be, but are the battery life is the same? I mean the time the battery can recharge correctly before show 'low battery' error message on panel.

    If the life time is same like they can both serve like 6-7 years, I would like to save 10 Euro on this. Thanks.


  • #198
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,283 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Ah, strange thing. I posted here not too long ago about the "Low Battery" warning. Well, i never actually got around to getting one (needed to order off the internet because there was no way i was paying €45 in a shop for one!).

    Anyway, noticed today that the warning is gone and everything seems to be gone back to normal. Is this the case???


  • #199
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Ah, strange thing. I posted here not too long ago about the "Low Battery" warning. Well, i never actually got around to getting one (needed to order off the internet because there was no way i was paying €45 in a shop for one!).

    Anyway, noticed today that the warning is gone and everything seems to be gone back to normal. Is this the case???

    That is a bit weird, as I tried cut off the main supply and reconnected it again, the low battery message disappeared everything seems to be gone back to normal, but several minutes later, low battery message appear again.


  • #200
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭altor


    HUIBIN wrote: »
    Jason, I checked on local supper, the 12v 3.2A Yuasa NP3.2-12 (12V 3.2AH) costs 20.3 euro,
    12v 7.0A Yuasa NP3.2-12 (12V 7AH) costs 29.80 euro.

    I know the 7.0A battery can provide 10 hours battery supply in case of power cut while 3.2A battery is like only less than 5 hours may be, but are the battery life is the same? I mean the time the battery can recharge correctly before show 'low battery' error message on panel.

    If the life time is same like they can both serve like 6-7 years, I would like to save 10 Euro on this. Thanks.

    Hi HUIBIN,

    The 7 Amp battery will last longer in the event of a power cut, they should have the same life expectancy. A lot of different scenarios can make them last less time too.

    My advice would be the larger Amp battery as this will hold up your system longer in the event of a power cut.

    www.altor.ie



  • #201
    HUIBIN
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭HUIBIN


    altor wrote: »
    Hi HUIBIN,

    The 7 Amp battery will last longer in the event of a power cut, they should have the same life expectancy. A lot of different scenarios can make them last less time too.

    My advice would be the larger Amp battery as this will hold up your system longer in the event of a power cut.

    Thanks Jason, I have brought a 3.3A one as it is cheaper, I haven't a job now, after I find a job I will go with 7A next time. Many thanks. I find the 7A is a perfect fit in size, just an extra 10 Euro stops me this time.


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