Cocaine

Ash.J.Williams · 27-05-2020 11:10am

riclad wrote: »

I never used any drug, from what I know hash makes people feel relaxed, mellow.i think coke gives people a quick hit
of feeling good.people using hash are not angry or aggressive. I, m not saying everyone should use drugs
America has not fallen apart because hash is legal in some states. Only adults can buy it from certain dispensary

"I never used any drug"

that's where your post should have ended

dundalkfc10 · 27-05-2020 11:23am

LuasSimon wrote: »

Thankfully I never took cocaine but I’ve seen fairly decent people go from happy go lucky people to paranoid and violent individuals within months .

Over the last 2 years one alleged casual user recently gave his wife a bad beating and she was granted a barring order in court against him seeing her or his two kids . He ended up renting in a local estate spending every Bob he had and more on cocaine .Last week the local travellers he has a cocaine debt with burnt his car out and gave him a fair slashing with knives across his legs and chest . Great world this cocaine brings you into to . He’s lost his wife his job and anything he had of value over these 2 years and it’s all done to his cocaine habit .

I know a lad the same except for it was alcohol, all down to alcohol.

B.A._Baracus · 27-05-2020 12:02pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Ever been to a sausage factory?

I know what you're getting at. I've read the amount of Shi*e that goes into sausages and you know what? ... Still nothing compared to cocaine.

Sure you'll never really know what you eat when it's store bought but give me something that's made in a country with some sort of food standard laws and hygiene, than some substance that's made by some poor Inca farmer up the mountains with bleach, kerosene and other chemicals.

And when you go down your local super valu it's not like they added their own sh*te too to plump up the sausage like your local drug dealer does too :pac:

Ash.J.Williams · 27-05-2020 12:07pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I know what you're getting at. I've read the amount of Shi*e that goes into sausages and you know what? ... Still nothing compared to cocaine.

Sure you'll never really know what you eat when it's store bought but give me something that's made in a country with some sort of food standard laws and hygiene, than some substance that's made by some poor Inca farmer up the mountains with bleach, kerosene and other chemicals.

And when you go down your local super valu it's not like they added their own sh*te too to plump up the sausage like your local drug dealer does too :pac:

you actually don't know what they add to sausages, i recall as a teenager being directed to throw meat that was left out over a bank holiday into the sausages (it was green) ...labels are just labels

mr_fegelien · 27-05-2020 12:58pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Thankfully I never took cocaine but I’ve seen fairly decent people go from happy go lucky people to paranoid and violent individuals within months .

Over the last 2 years one alleged casual user recently gave his wife a bad beating and she was granted a barring order in court against him seeing her or his two kids . He ended up renting in a local estate spending every Bob he had and more on cocaine .Last week the local travellers he has a cocaine debt with burnt his car out and gave him a fair slashing with knives across his legs and chest . Great world this cocaine brings you into to . He’s lost his wife his job and anything he had of value over these 2 years and it’s all done to his cocaine habit .

Is it drugs that did that or is it an underlying psychological problem exarcebated by any drug.

I'm sure the lad would have gone bat**** crazy on alcohol or amphetamines. Doesn't prove that the drug necessarily causes it but it brings it out in some individuals

B.A._Baracus · 27-05-2020 1:34pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

you actually don't know what they add to sausages, i recall as a teenager being directed to throw meat that was left out over a bank holiday into the sausages (it was green) ...labels are just labels

So... I guess you're saying your rather take cocaine than sausages?

LuasSimon · 27-05-2020 1:38pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I know a lad the same except for it was alcohol, all down to alcohol.

Doubt very much travellers were calling to his house burning his car out and slashing his legs and back with stanley knives over owing money for drink

dundalkfc10 · 27-05-2020 2:38pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Doubt very much travellers were calling to his house burning his car out and slashing his legs and back with stanley knives over owing money for drink

Thats his own problem for buying drugs off travellers, even worse for it been on credit. I know plenty of lads who take drugs and none would even dream of getting them off a traveller.
Same as you wouldnt let them do your driveway would you?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-05-2020 10:13pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Doubt very much travellers were calling to his house burning his car out and slashing his legs and back with stanley knives over owing money for drink

Who buys alcohol from travellers?!

28-05-2020 8:31am

The question in the opening post is “So, do you think cocaine users in Ireland have some responsibility for the gang warfare that is destroying parts of the country?”. The answer is very obviously “Yes, cocaine users have blood on their hands”. Rather than admit this simple fact all of the coke heads on this forum are arguing that the law in terms of possession needs to be changed. Although there may well be some merit in this argument it is an entirely different topic.

Hoop66 · 28-05-2020 11:23am

Tomaldo · 12-12-2020 3:12am

2011 wrote: »

The question in the opening post is “So, do you think cocaine users in Ireland have some responsibility for the gang warfare that is destroying parts of the country?”. The answer is very obviously “Yes, cocaine users have blood on their hands”. Rather than admit this simple fact all of the coke heads on this forum are arguing that the law in terms of possession needs to be changed. Although there may well be some merit in this argument it is an entirely different topic.

and if you support the war on drugs you also have blood on your hands. I'd prefer to buy my coke from legitimate sources. If cocaine is good enough for Paul McCartney, Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood or Rod Stewart, then it's good enough for me. Legalise

Get Real · 12-12-2020 3:29am

Tomaldo wrote: »

and if you support the war on drugs you also have blood on your hands. I'd prefer to buy my coke from legitimate sources. If cocaine is good enough for Paul McCartney, Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood or Rod Stewart, then it's good enough for me. Legalise

If coke was legalised, you still have the issue of gang warfare, child labour, the use of petroleum soaking and chemical waste in the countries that produce the coca leaf for it.

I also find that those who do coke use legalisation as a deflection from their own choice and personal responsibility. I've never heard someone say "I won't take coke until it becomes legalised, and I'll campaign and research for that" they still do coke regardless.

It's like saying "I wouldn't have to drive home after 15 pints if the government provided decent rural transport". You can still choose not to drive after the 15 pints, and instead campaign for a community scheme.

Strumms · 12-12-2020 3:59am

Tomaldo wrote: »

and if you support the war on drugs you also have blood on your hands. I'd prefer to buy my coke from legitimate sources. If cocaine is good enough for Paul McCartney, Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood or Rod Stewart, then it's good enough for me. Legalise

Some of the aforementioned musicians also took heroin too, in addition to other drugs... by this logic you believe heroin should be legalized ? All because four individuals who had a shared chosen career path took it ?

Phil Spector assaulted women and actually murdered a woman.. one of the best record producers in history apparently or according to some... I doubt that can be seen as a reason to legalize murder, or assault..

Tomaldo · 12-12-2020 10:49am

Strumms wrote: »

Some of the aforementioned musicians also took heroin too, in addition to other drugs... by this logic you believe heroin should be legalized ? All because four individuals who had a shared chosen career path took it ?

Phil Spector assaulted women and actually murdered a woman.. one of the best record producers in history apparently or according to some... I doubt that can be seen as a reason to legalize murder, or assault..

Methadone is a heroin substitute given to addicts by the state, freely to addicts. That's called treatment but it's legalisation with a false mustache. Injection centres will be common place here soon and some countries give actual heroin to addicts. That drug is almost legal anyway. I'm not in favour of legalising murder or assault, those crimes involve a non-consenting victim. You're comparing apples to oranges with those examples.

Tomaldo · 12-12-2020 11:12am

Get Real wrote: »

If coke was legalised, you still have the issue of gang warfare, child labour, the use of petroleum soaking and chemical waste in the countries that produce the coca leaf for it.

I also find that those who do coke use legalisation as a deflection from their own choice and personal responsibility. I've never heard someone say "I won't take coke until it becomes legalised, and I'll campaign and research for that" they still do coke regardless.

It's like saying "I wouldn't have to drive home after 15 pints if the government provided decent rural transport". You can still choose not to drive after the 15 pints, and instead campaign for a community scheme.

No it's not like driving after 15 pints, if I take coke the only damage I can do is to myself. If I drive a car intoxicated I could do harm to other innocent people.

bnt · 12-12-2020 12:46pm

I kind-of fail to see what cocaine could do, for me. that eight shots of espresso couldn't do. I would do neither on a night out, since I'm one of those people who need to sleep every night or I malfunction the next day. I'm no Hunter S. Thompson, whose daily routine looked something like this:

Thelonious Monk · 12-12-2020 12:56pm

Strumms wrote: »

Some of the aforementioned musicians also took heroin too, in addition to other drugs... by this logic you believe heroin should be legalized ? All because four individuals who had a shared chosen career path took it ?

Phil Spector assaulted women and actually murdered a woman.. one of the best record producers in history apparently or according to some... I doubt that can be seen as a reason to legalize murder, or assault..

I would legalise heroin before cocaine. It's not the type of drug people would buy after a few pints, which would be the case if cocaine was available. We would be better off giving pure clean heroin to our addicts instead of letting them buy the crap that they inject on the streets, which leads to clots and gangrene and amputations and other horrors.
We pretty much do give out heroin in the form of methadone anyway.

atilladehun · 12-12-2020 1:03pm

The problem legalising it here will always be other countries. Any politicians that brought in some laws that allow for drugs that are produced in other countries would be sanctioning all sorts of crimes en route. It's the exploitation of the poor men women and children that can't be fixed by one state.

Strumms · 12-12-2020 1:09pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I would legalise heroin before cocaine. It's not the type of drug people would buy after a few pints, which would be the case if cocaine was available. We would be better off giving pure clean heroin to our addicts instead of letting them buy the crap that they inject on the streets, which leads to clots and gangrene and amputations and other horrors.
We pretty much do give out heroin in the form of methadone anyway.

They choose, they have choices, they make choices.

If I become a heroin addict it’s because I go make the effort at the outset to procure it or make a decision to accept it if offered... I choose to be a user and end up being an addict.

Education re: drugs is available, you can’t blame ignorance, you can’t blame society... I know it’s unfashionable but in 2020 when people are asked to take personal responsibility and accept blame for their choices and mistakes ie. and fûcking held accountable, a deeply unfashionable expectation it seems, you get.. toys out of the pram.

Thelonious Monk · 12-12-2020 1:36pm

Strumms wrote: »

They choose, they have choices, they make choices.

If I become a heroin addict it’s because I go make the effort at the outset to procure it or make a decision to accept it if offered... I choose to be a user and end up being an addict.

Education re: drugs is available, you can’t blame ignorance, you can’t blame society... I know it’s unfashionable but in 2020 when people are asked to take personal responsibility and accept blame for their choices and mistakes ie. and fûcking held accountable, a deeply unfashionable expectation it seems, you get.. toys out of the pram.

You don't choose to be born into a horrible background to an addict single mother and being subject to all kinds of abuse as a child. A lot, if not all heroin addicts have had childhood trauma, it's a very common theme. I've seen addicts in Dublin screaming in the faces of their kids telling them to shut the f*ck up and slapping them etc. They've no chance and will hate the world and themselves when they're older.
Easy for you to say it's a choice.

Strumms · 12-12-2020 2:19pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You don't choose to be born into a horrible background to an addict single mother and being subject to all kinds of abuse as a child. A lot, if not all heroin addicts have had childhood trauma, it's a very common theme. I've seen addicts in Dublin screaming in the faces of their kids telling them to shut the f*ck up and slapping them etc. They've no chance and will hate the world and themselves when they're older.
Easy for you to say it's a choice.

It’s a choice.... because they pick up a phone, dial a number, looking for the drug....or when someone says “here try it”... they choose ‘yes’.

Trauma is part of life... lots of people have to endure trauma but don’t use it as an excuse with which to abdicate responsibility and behave in a way that will damage their health and the health and wellbeing of those around them.

If a junkie off their head stabs or assaults someone, no provocation.... an assault say, from behind, without provocation as happened to me.... should they just be of the ability to tell the investigating Garda ... “well, the heroin made me do it” ? Only for the Garda to say..” ok, look go home, mind yourself and cut that out” ?

Or

Should the Garda arrest them, as they have committed an assault ?

You can be born into a background. But the responsibility for ones actions lies with everyone of us.

If not every scumbag criminal just can play their background card. What fun that would be.

Thelonious Monk · 12-12-2020 3:10pm

Ok Nancy Regan. You should get into addiction treatment and tell them all they can just say no, it's that simple.

Strumms · 12-12-2020 4:14pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Ok Nancy Regan. You should get into addiction treatment and tell them all they can just say no, it's that simple.

Many of us, when we were offered drugs, did in fact say no....

If I’d said yes, it’s on me, not society or anybody else.

If I’m given the chance to join an armed gang, robbing a post office, on the way out I get shot by the Gardai... I don’t blame society, Joe Duffy, politics... I choose to get involved in a serious crime, it’s on me.

Piehead · 12-12-2020 8:25pm

Figging involves pushing a slice of ginger up your anus. Just because it’s legal to engage in such deviancy doesn’t mean you should. And if that’s legal why isn’t cocaine?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 12-12-2020 8:38pm

Piehead wrote: »

Figging involves pushing a slice of ginger up your anus. Just because it’s legal to engage in such deviancy doesn’t mean you should. And if that’s legal why isn’t cocaine?

The Gingers have too much power and infuence?

Tomaldo · 14-12-2020 12:05am

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

Follow Thai style law, build a few more jails with basic indecent facilities, arm the guards. Mandatory and immediate death penalty for any kind of dealer, minimum 5 year sentence for possession, that will sort 90 % of the issue(s)

As for blood on hands, your probably wearing clothing made somewhere hot,no doubt many a child has suffered and even died, so guilty as charged there eh

I was in Thailand many times and I know from personal experience people still buy and sell drugs in that country. Crystal meth (ice) and yabba were very popular.

Big Gerry · 14-12-2020 12:29am

Whats not talked about much is that about half the people in the Irish media use or have used cocaine at some point.

These are very same people that will talk down to the rest of us.

Tomaldo · 14-12-2020 12:47am

Big Gerry wrote: »

Whats not talked about much is that about half the people in the Irish media use or have used cocaine at some point.

These are very same people that will talk down to the rest of us.

very true, I heard a retired judge on Marian Finucane's radio show say cocaine is poison, it's not, but she didn't correct him on this falsehood. Then I heard a caller on Joe Duffy say if u take drugs ur 'guaranteed' to become a thief. Not true, I've never robbed to use drugs, I doubt Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger or Ben Dunne did.

akelly02 · 14-12-2020 1:03am

Cocaine is great , yeeehawww

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-12-2020 1:16am

Big Gerry wrote: »

Whats not talked about much is that about half the people in the Irish media use or have used cocaine at some point.

These are very same people that will talk down to the rest of us.

and the other half are people who think all drugs are the same while happily downing multiple pints several times a week.

46 Long · 14-12-2020 2:19am

akelly02 wrote: »

Cocaine is great , yeeehawww

'Tis a hell of a drug in all fairness

sbsquarepants · 14-12-2020 4:54pm

Tomaldo wrote: »

. Not true, I've never robbed to use drugs, I doubt Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger or Ben Dunne did.

I bet you Ben Dunne did:D

Tomaldo · 22-12-2020 1:57am

whisky_galore wrote: »

I'd rather these so called grown adults took some civic responsibility and realised that their selfish hedonism has consequences. Coke isn't going to be made legal in any shape or form, I'm not aware of any jurisdiction that has made it legal across the board.

How do you know it's not going to be legal, have u a crystal ball, will u lend it to me, I wanna clean the bookies out. Selfish hedonism? your prohibitionist opinions also have the same consequences. Ian Paisley said the word 'never' a lot and look what he ended up doing. If Martin McGuinness and him could share power, then then the legalisation of coke should be a doddle in comparison.

Larbre34 · 22-12-2020 2:33am

Big Gerry wrote: »

Whats not talked about much is that about half the people in the Irish media use or have used cocaine at some point.

These are very same people that will talk down to the rest of us.

Its not relevant for this conversation either. Hypocrisy makes the world go round, we all know that.

The question is, does ANYONE who uses coke, including media types, including farmers, including your friendly barista - AND by the way, including serving Gardaí - have blood on their hands?

Absolutely they do, every last one.

99nsr125 · 22-12-2020 2:55am

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its not relevant for this conversation either. Hypocrisy makes the world go round, we all know that.

The question is, does ANYONE who uses coke, including media types, including farmers, including your friendly barista - AND by the way, including serving Gardaí - have blood on their hands?

Absolutely they do, every last one.

As does everybody who have anything in their hands.

Suicide nets at Foxconn . . . .
Precious metals
Rare elements for renewables

Prohibition takes away the rule of law and allows lawless elements to take control.

Tomaldo · 22-12-2020 3:31am

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its not relevant for this conversation either. Hypocrisy makes the world go round, we all know that.

The question is, does ANYONE who uses coke, including media types, including farmers, including your friendly barista - AND by the way, including serving Gardaí - have blood on their hands?

Absolutely they do, every last one.

Richard Nixon and his supporters have infinitely more blood on their hands for supporting and enforcing an unwinnable 'war'. Whatever happened to the argument 'my body, my choice'

Tomaldo · 14-05-2021 3:06am

MichaelKnee wrote: »

Anybody who does cocaine is sub-human slime.

Anybody who believes that is lower than sub-human slime. Attitudes like that believed the Magdalene Laundries were a good idea. Were The Beatles, Rolling Stones and Maradona slime, they brought sunshine to a lot of people's lives.

fryup · 14-05-2021 9:15am

Larbre34 wrote: »

The question is, does ANYONE who uses coke, including media types, including farmers, including your friendly barista - AND by the way, including serving Gardaí - have blood on their hands?

Absolutely they do, every last one.

and even old grannys too

Wanderer78 · 14-05-2021 9:17am

Tomaldo wrote: »

Anybody who believes that is lower than sub-human slime. Attitudes like that believed the Magdalene Laundries were a good idea. Were The Beatles, Rolling Stones and Maradona slime, they brought sunshine to a lot of people's lives.

...a lot of hassle for some

14-05-2021 9:21am

Legalising cocaine is a nutty idea, there'd still be a huge blackmarket cocaine market, just like the tax free & fake cigarette options.

Wanderer78 · 14-05-2021 9:22am

Augeo wrote: »

Legalising cocaine is a nutty idea, there'd still be a huge blackmarket cocaine market, just like the tax free & fake cigarette options.

...is our current approach truly working?

14-05-2021 9:23am

Tomaldo wrote: »

...........Attitudes like that believed the Magdalene Laundries were a good idea. ............

They were preferable to loads of feral scrotes terrorising their neighbours on scramblers and robbing workers of their phones around the IFSC.

14-05-2021 9:23am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...is our current approach truly working?

No, but legalising it won't work either.
Do folk reckon Boots will liaise with cartels in South America to import "legal" daz?

Wanderer78 · 14-05-2021 9:24am

Augeo wrote: »

No, but legalising it won't work either.

what does work mean, in this context?

Wanderer78 · 14-05-2021 9:26am

Augeo wrote: »

They were preferable to loads of feral scrotes terrorising their neighbours on scramblers and robbing workers of their phones around the IFSC.

the laundries were a part of our disturbing past, where we sent our social dysfunctions, similar to what our current prison systems do

14-05-2021 9:26am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...is our current approach truly working?

Wanderer78 wrote: »

what does work mean, in this context?

Right back at you kid.

Off you go now ang google some of your usual inane sources and copy and paste someone else's scutter here.

What it means in my context is that as there'd be a blackmarket (undoubtedly, cigarette market is an examply) all of the current systems failings would still be there.

Wanderer78 · 14-05-2021 9:26am

Augeo wrote: »

No, but legalising it won't work either.
Do folk reckon Boots will liaise with cartels in South America to import "legal" daz?

it would require state interaction, along side private sector bodies

Wanderer78 · 14-05-2021 9:27am

Augeo wrote: »

Right back at you kid.

Off you go now ang google some of your usual inane sources and copy and paste someone else's scutter here.

...ah i ll stick to my own brain thanks

Mecrab · 14-05-2021 9:27am

How is this drug so popular.. it's absolutely MANK. Especially the Irish cocaine that's so stamped down with adulterants. Feel on top of the world for 5 minutes then the dopamine levels plummet and you feel like you just murdered 10 babies until you have another sniff but each one brings less and less euphoria and before you know it it's 6am the birds are chirping and you're questioning just what the **** are you doing in life to be sitting there skagged ta fook wishing you'd said "not tonight mate"

Cocaine

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