Ballymurphy massacre

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Yup. Just saw it.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1393270597057236992?s=19

So, not only does he call it that twice, why the hell is the Taoiseach telling us about Boris Johnson's understanding of the situation... shouldn't we have Boris telling us?

Another proxy explanation from Mícheal, much like the proxy apology from the FM/dFM on Tuesday.

That is just atrocious. Clearly Boris gave him nothing to work with and he is lying on his behalf and trying to make something up off the cuff but his poor communication skills can't hide it

Barry904 wrote: »

Downcow is a unionist he done a runner a few pages back after he was made look a complete fool.

Same old DC, nothing new with the runner he did, probably installing an Israeli flag along with a Poots picture as we speak:)
Couldn't just feel for the families and move on, had to make a remark

Barry904 wrote: »

Downcow is a unionist he done a runner a few pages back after he was made look a complete fool.

I tell you what, you get me an assurance I won’t get banned for taking the thread off topic and I’ll happily give you all the examples you need of the horrific tortures carried out by the Ira (and Uvf). Dirty sectarian scum, the lot of them.
Or if you like start a thread on it and I will be a very willing contributor

BonnieSituation wrote: »

There's a hape of Partitionists and Unionist apologists as well as a couple of belligerent unionists in here. You'll see them soon enough.

They won't come into this thread though as it goes against their world-view of "Brits good Ra bad". They're sickening.

Thanks Bonnie. Never thought you would say I wasn’t a belligerent unionist. But since I have been posting regularly on this thread, then I guess that’s what you are saying.
Thanks I didn’t expect support from you. You may be a bigger person than I thought you were

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Same old DC, nothing new with the runner he did, probably installing an Israeli flag along with a Poots picture as we speak:)
Couldn't just feel for the families and move on, had to make a remark

UDA WINNER you well know I have identified myself on here as anti-Poots and pro liberal unionism. And I have never supported Israel here. So it’s just shoot the messenger cause you can’t handle the message.

I am also a huge supporter of all moving on.

Now could you tell me what the remark was that I made? (and please quote it in context)

lawred2 wrote: »

Well the coroner full square disagrees with you.

How about sticking to those facts!?

What does he disagree with?

downcow wrote: »

I came on here and affirmed the BM victims and there innocence.

I have since responded to two bits of nonsense from posters ie

They said that no government tried to prevent prosecutions of those who murdered Protestants - I pointed out the Tony blair assurances to ira murderers

They said that the victims of British state violence deserve investigations more than the rest of the victims - I pointed out that republicans have resisted any notion of hierarchy of victims, rendering this position total hypocrisy.

Simple, accurate, consistent
At your service

Its not about weather some victims deserve investigations over other victims.

Its the fact that on one hand you had terrorist organisations carrying out attrocities which were rightly condemned by all, they were called out for being terrorists and vilified in the british media because of it. They were investigated and prosecutions were made against the perpetrators.

But on the other hand you had the british army who were held up by the unionist community and british press as the heroes and keepers of the peace fighting evil terrorists.

When they themselves carried out horrific murders without any justification the truth was hidden away and instead the british just blamed the victims and tarred them as being linked to the IRA.

The victims families have had to deal with this cover up for 50 years.
So while all victims of violence in NI is tragic in there own ways you can not compare the two situations.

downcow wrote: »

I came on here and affirmed the BM victims and there innocence.

Acknowledged!

It took 50 years for those citizens to get justice from the state , why? Is it possible that the state, from top to bottom, was rotten?

Bloody Sunday soldiers now suspected to have been involved in this.

overshoot wrote: »

I notice you haven't responded to my posts so far, The argument isn't whether one deserves justice more than the other, it's the responsibility of the government to provide justice and they have failed, they have covered up and blacked the name of their citizens for 50 years to do so.

Perhaps a direct question, do you think the British state and it's representatives should be held to the same standards, provide the same honesty and justice for their victims as terrorists?

I like direct questions. Yes absolutely.
That means you cannot blacken the names of the many 10,000s who served with honour and honesty. Absolutely go after those who stepped outside the law, and indeed even more so those who gave the orders to go outside the law. But do it equally and fairly.

I am of the view (probably a minority view) that we can’t go on endlessly investigating old men with zero chance of convictions. I would rather see the police time being put into convicting the peadeos , rapists, etc who are a current risk to women and children. We can’t afford to do both.

But if we are going after those from the troubles then let’s start by rescinding the letters to Gerry Kelly etc and get the likes of him in jail along with the soldiers at BM.

Do you think we should also be investigating those soldiers that are dead and M McM etc?