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I think the poster is referring to Francie's attempts to stifle debate on the cost of unification.

Pointing out economic and mathematical facts is not scare-mongering, it is realistic debate.

The fact that you continually fail to rebut a single point in relation to the cost of a united Ireland says it all about your fears. (well, other than proposing that taxing unicorns and rainbows will create a land of milk and honey, I haven't seen any rebuttal).

The post he was replying too was part of Francie attempt to stifle debate on Irish Unity. Francie reckons I shouldn't talk about the costs without also talking about the benefits. Problem is, I don't think 35bn over 8 years is much of a return for Scenario 3 in the Hubner report. I can't see any other benefits that need unification to occur. I was interested in the idea pf PS reform as the Republics record on that is poor but as I said to Francie, do you think we can take on the Unions and win a border poll? That's a significant number of people to p*ss off.

Who is 'trying' to stifle debate'?

I love the way you put words and actions on me jh79.

There is a growing call for change in Irish politics that has seen the power swap's share of the vote fall from 86% to just over 40%.

Part of the reason for that I believe is reflected in the throwing of hands in the air and muttering 'what can be done' above.

The remaining power swap faithful either fall into that category or are either happy with or are being rewarded by the status quo.

Ah, Francie, the things you cling to.

Labour were part of the power swap, on the way back, up in the polls, with Ivana wiping Lynn off the floor.

No sign of a border poll this decade (Tom will be back in a minute with his stages of grief).

I saw the partitionist label sneaking back into the discussion this morning, now we have moved on to the power swap label as the desperation rises and falls.

Are you saying that there will be a guarantee of no compulsory redundancies in the public service, both North and South, in the case of a united Ireland.

If NO, a referendum will be lost.

If YES, we can calculate the cost of that promise.

Looking forward to your nonsensical equivocal response on this one.

considering there'll be one government and considering it may well take a decade or two - yet another much ado about nothing going on here. Funny blanch 152 ignores the number of times these things have been pointed out. just pretend no-one said anything, wait a few pages and then start again.

Transition period blanch. I fully expect there to be a long transition period where rationalisations and adjustments can be made as painlessly as possible. It would also allow belligerent Unionism it's 'Never Never Never, ah shure go on', period and partitionists time to adjust to a UI and come up with new scary stuff.

You are objecting just for sake of it now. Carry on.

Jaysus...'explain a tranistion period'? Really?

An agreed transition period where the two parties to the GFA put in place rationalisations and adjustments to the various agencies and institutions of the state ahead of a UI. Paid for by both parties to the agreement.

Technically a 50%+1 majority would be a win, but only in the pyrrhic sense.

Anyone who seriously thinks a UI is good to go and everything will be grand in such an event is borrowing their brains from the UKIP crowd.

Then again, the uber nationalists share much in common with that crowd.

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You are a gas man.

I dare say that there can be a legal basis worked out between two governments blanch. The GFA is a process/transition period in effect. I would imagine it would be structured similarly with in built protections and provisions.

'Fabled' it aint.

As a SF member surely you're aware that the SF commissioned Hubner report requires an instant 2% reduction in public expenditure within NI to achieve the stated benefits of unification.

From Doyle's paper

Existing economic models of an all-island economy predict a positive impact on economic growth, following a transition period, at a level sufficient to cover this deficit, although more work needs to be done on the public policy decisions necessary to support sustainable economic growth and to maximise the benefits of a larger and integrated all-island economy. Research and debate are also required on the type of public services to be provided by the new state and their likely costs. The underlying economy, taxation system and the type of public services that are provided in health, welfare, education and infrastructure, will be the real determining factors of the costs and benefits of a united Ireland and those are the areas where public debate should focus. 

So already factored into the models, as per the first bolded words, to offset the costs of the subvention.

What would be required within your vision of a transition period that will offset the factors that are the real determining factors of the costs and benefits?

I don't think we have any published data for what this version of a transition period might luck like.