This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

26000 Elephants · 08-09-2020 6:12pm

KevRossi wrote: »

4 door was launched in 1981. It was facelifted in 1985/86, that one has a post-facelift body.

You could *technically* order a 4 door in 1980 - made by Monteverdi in Italy.

But this is not one!! :P

Its obviously a later body on an earlier chassis. Questionable legally: depends on how you define the "substantial modification" in the tax rules.

ohnonotgmail · 08-09-2020 7:44pm

26000 Elephants wrote: »

You could *technically* order a 4 door in 1980 - made by Monteverdi in Italy.

But this is not one!! :P

Its obviously a later body on an earlier chassis. Questionable legally: depends on how you define the "substantial modification" in the tax rules.

the chassis is the vehicle for a Range rover. what is bolted on top of the chassis is irrelevant.

unkel · 08-09-2020 9:47pm

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Its obviously a later body on an earlier chassis. Questionable legally: depends on how you define the "substantial modification" in the tax rules.

I think we have covered that before and I don't think it is questionable legally. As long as the chassis is classic, that makes the whole car classic. Questionably morally maybe

In some other jurisdictions like the Netherlands, it has to have 2 out of 3: engine- drivetrain / chassis / body to be classic

KevRossi · 08-09-2020 10:12pm

26000 Elephants wrote: »

You could *technically* order a 4 door in 1980 - made by Monteverdi in Italy.

Monteverdi were Swiss. They used ot have a museum in Basel on the site of the old factory, but it closed a couple of years ago. It's moved to the Swiss Transport Museum in Lucerne. I have been to the old Monteverdi museum and it's one of the best I've ever been to. You'd still see a fair few of them when I was working in and out of Zurich and Geneva in the early 90's. I always loved their cars, and manufacturers like Bizzarini and Iso.

The transport museum in Lucerne is somewhere I'd also highly recommend if you're in the area, though i haven't been there since Monteverdi moved there.

ohnonotgmail · 08-09-2020 10:23pm

unkel wrote: »

I think we have covered that before and I don't think it is questionable legally. As long as the chassis is classic, that makes the whole car classic. Questionably morally maybe

In some other jurisdictions like the Netherlands, it has to have 2 out of 3: engine- drivetrain / chassis / body to be classic

there are supposed to be some Discoverys driving around on classic plates where the body was transplanted to the "chassis" of a classic range rover. In reality all that remains of the original chassis is the VIN plate.

Ko Chow · 08-09-2020 10:42pm

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Needs trailering, been laid up a few years so brakes, probably tyres and some hoses and a service, and has a hole in a sill.

If that's all that's wrong with it & it's not hiding any horrors (and you have the skills to DIY which sadly I don't), this would make a lovely little nostalgia wagon. Never mind the cosmetic issues, i'd lose the trims and leave the rest as is.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/original-1986-k10-nissan-micra/25540526

BonnieSituation · 09-09-2020 12:06am

Ko Chow wrote: »

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Needs trailering, been laid up a few years so brakes, probably tyres and some hoses and a service, and has a hole in a sill.

If that's all that's wrong with it & it's not hiding any horrors (and you have the skills to DIY which sadly I don't), this would make a lovely little nostalgia wagon. Never mind the cosmetic issues, i'd lose the trims and leave the rest as is.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/original-1986-k10-nissan-micra/25540526

That was posted a few weeks back. Was up for 950 then.

I don't recall the mention of the sill issues then. Someone could correct me here.

It's a lovely wee thing that I'd have in a heartbeat depending on the level of pain therein. If I had space.

con747 · 09-09-2020 12:10am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That was posted a few weeks back. Was up for 950 then.

I don't recall the mention of the sill issues then. Someone could correct me here.

It's a lovely wee thing that I'd have in a heartbeat depending on the level of pain therein. If I had space.

Nearly sure I posted it a while back, add seems the same with the pictures and location.

BonnieSituation · 09-09-2020 12:13am

con747 wrote: »

Nearly sure I posted it a while back, add seems the same with the pictures and location.

Yeah. It was posted on 28/08 or thereabouts and I'm basing that on me sending the link to a mate in WhatsApp.

I just don't remember the comments about the hole in the sill.

con747 · 09-09-2020 12:16am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Yeah. It was posted on 28/08 or thereabouts and I'm basing that on me sending the link to a mate in WhatsApp.

I just don't remember the comments about the hole in the sill.

#6269 was the post, 27/8 the add was the same ok. the sills were mentioned. Still make a cheap run around if half ok.

BonnieSituation · 09-09-2020 12:29am

con747 wrote: »

#6269 was the post, 27/8 the add was the same ok. the sills were mentioned. Still make a cheap run around if half ok.

Oh aye. Just one thing that would put me off given my lack of welding ability

that and no space.

ba_barabus · 09-09-2020 9:26am

con747 wrote: »

Nearly sure I posted it a while back, add seems the same with the pictures and location.

Same guy that bought my BX a few months back. Nice guy and easy to deal with.

kadman · 09-09-2020 10:21am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Oh aye. Just one thing that would put me off given my lack of welding ability that and no space.

You dont need fancy welding skills for sills.

They are predominantly spot welded. If you can press a button, then you can spot weld a sill.

Of course you need to remove the old sill, by drilling out the spot welds.

Its not rocket science, and plenty of youtubes to help you.

Go on....you know you want to:D

BonnieSituation · 09-09-2020 11:36am

kadman wrote: »

You dont need fancy welding skills for sills.

They are predominantly spot welded. If you can press a button, then you can spot weld a sill.

Of course you need to remove the old sill, by drilling out the spot welds.

Its not rocket science, and plenty of youtubes to help you.

Go on....you know you want to:D

I'll send her down to you :P

CoBo55 · 09-09-2020 12:24pm

kadman wrote: »

You dont need fancy welding skills for sills.

They are predominantly spot welded. If you can press a button, then you can spot weld a sill.

Of course you need to remove the old sill, by drilling out the spot welds.

Its not rocket science, and plenty of youtubes to help you.

Go on....you know you want to:D

Finding steel to spot weld the new sill on to is usually the main problem!!

kadman · 09-09-2020 1:28pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

Finding steel to spot weld the new sill on to is usually the main problem!!

True, but a good inspection will tell you whether its sills only, or worse.

9times out of 10, its worse.

26000 Elephants · 09-09-2020 2:28pm

KevRossi wrote: »

Monteverdi were Swiss. They used ot have a museum in Basel on the site of the old factory, but it closed a couple of years ago. It's moved to the Swiss Transport Museum in Lucerne. I have been to the old Monteverdi museum and it's one of the best I've ever been to. You'd still see a fair few of them when I was working in and out of Zurich and Geneva in the early 90's. I always loved their cars, and manufacturers like Bizzarini and Iso.

The transport museum in Lucerne is somewhere I'd also highly recommend if you're in the area, though i haven't been there since Monteverdi moved there.

Im pretty sure Monteverdi had them modified at the Fissore factory outside Turin, in Italy.

Yes, Monteverdi are Swiss.

RobAMerc · 09-09-2020 10:19pm

dunno how much longer people can keep ignoring this - or maybe there is a bit more wrong with it than pics suggest

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Esel · 09-09-2020 11:32pm

^ Link to ad?

CoBo55 · 09-09-2020 11:33pm

kadman wrote: »

True, but a good inspection will tell you whether its sills only, or worse.

9times out of 10, its worse.

10 times:)

RobAMerc · 09-09-2020 11:34pm

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CoBo55 · 09-09-2020 11:37pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

dunno how much longer people can keep ignoring this - or maybe there is a bit more wrong with it than pics suggest

Looks like a yoke that was trashed as a getaway car and is being sold off by the cops.

con747 · 10-09-2020 10:27pm

Austin seven 7 PD Tourer €8000 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/austin-seven-7-pd-tourer/25910907
Mercedes E220 W124 Full MSL Service History €2950 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-e220-w124-full-msl-service-history/25858157
Ford Consul Classic 315, 1963 €6500 price dropping. https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-consul-classic-315-1963-/24890435

Duke O Smiley · 10-09-2020 10:30pm

con747 wrote: »

Austin seven 7 PD Tourer €8000 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/austin-seven-7-pd-tourer/25910907
Mercedes E220 W124 Full MSL Service History €2950 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-e220-w124-full-msl-service-history/25858157
Ford Consul Classic 315, 1963 €6500 price dropping. https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-consul-classic-315-1963-/24890435

If anyone is interested in that W124, feel free to drop me a PM. I viewed it a few weeks. It’s a lovely and honest car, but not perfect of course.

JabbaTheHut · 10-09-2020 11:01pm

It seems a pity to break it, but are they worth nothing more since the head gasket and gearbox are kaput?

1995 Range Rover

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/range-rover-4-0-1995-breaking/25829776

BonnieSituation · 10-09-2020 11:08pm

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

It seems a pity to break it, but are they worth nothing more since the head gasket and gearbox are kaput?

1995 Range Rover

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/range-rover-4-0-1995-breaking/25829776

The P38 really has aged very well hasn't it?

davidglanza · 11-09-2020 12:52am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that steering wheel looks a lot older than the mileage would suggest

this is my fathers range rover

ohnonotgmail · 11-09-2020 9:29am

davidglanza wrote: »

this is my fathers range rover

and?

con747 · 11-09-2020 9:31am

I was waiting for something

JabbaTheHut · 11-09-2020 11:38am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The P38 really has aged very well hasn't it?

It has. And from the pictures that one looks good. From the pictures.

Just seems a shame to scrap that one over something that could be sorted relatively easy. A change of gearbox, and head gasket, and you'd be on your way.

Duke O Smiley · 12-09-2020 5:56pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/classic-mercedes-420se/25921392

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Good price for a 126? 420 V8, nct expired last month, €5500

I suppose you'd never know until actually viewing it, but the fact that it was NCT'd until recently would be a good indicator at least, given the number of them going around having never been tested.

oldsmokey · 13-09-2020 8:32pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/range-rover/25471436

My old P38, sold it earlier this year. Great example that has had a lot of work done to it.

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Duke O Smiley · 13-09-2020 8:34pm

oldsmokey wrote: »

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Have you viewed it?

oldsmokey · 13-09-2020 9:29pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Have you viewed it?

Nah, but its a rr innit.?. A rolling tale of woe. Looks good tho, be a fun weekender

zinzan · 13-09-2020 9:32pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/range-rover/25471436

My old P38, sold it earlier this year. Great example that has had a lot of work done to it.

Reminds me of the Metrocab from that angle for some reason!

Testacalda · 13-09-2020 10:06pm

zinzan wrote: »

Reminds me of the Metrocab from that angle for some reason!

Their body design is related actually, I did have a book about the history of the London taxis, can't find it now, but I remember reading about the connection with the Range Rover

unkel · 14-09-2020 12:59am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I suppose you'd never know until actually viewing it, but the fact that it was NCT'd until recently would be a good indicator at least, given the number of them going around having never been tested.

That's the thing. A good few years ago I traveled by train from Dublin to Cork with my daughter (the ticket cost a fortune BTW and there were plenty of people on the train, but I think the only one that actually paid for their ticket was me)

Got to Cork, met the seller, drove his W126 V8 that was reasonably priced, had current NCT and looked great in the pictures (at classic car shows). I had an envelope in my pocket chuck full of cash, ready to buy the car at close to his asking price. But boy was that car a disappointment. I guess it was ok, but it was a cumbersome boat to drive, the aircon was disconnected, there was "patina" on several body parts and I was so drained and disappointed after driving it that I did not even want to make the man a low ball offer. Back into the train we went.

Never meet your heroes some people say. The W126 is no longer my favourite saloon car of all time.

outfox · 14-09-2020 11:53am

I guess no matter how good a classic car was in it's day, it is likely to be a mediocre drive at best in comparison with a modern car. A modern plastic yoke like a Dacia would probably be a nicer driver than a W126, with better climate control, handling, brakes, radio, cruise control, transmission, etc. Even a fast classic will probably be left at the lights by a standard hatch. It's just the way it is. That Dacia will be bested in 10-20 years by whatever we're driving around in then.

KevRossi · 14-09-2020 12:24pm

I think it depends on the car. Last October I drove a 1987 W126 500 SEC around southern Bavaria and Tyrol. Tight as a nut, rock solid and as good as any of the W126's I had in the 1990's. It wasn't for sale, it belongs to a mate, but because of its condition is worth €20,000.

Yes, they waft a bit, are slow compared to modern cars, and IMO every classic should have it brakes upgraded, but if they are well maintained they are still a pleasant drive.

There again, I tested a R107 300SL in NI about 18 months ago with the intention of buying it (it wasn't cheap) and although it looked great and had a very comprehensive history it was a total dog. Badly neglected mechanics over the past few years, poor brakes and the suspension was in bits. Had a new MOT of course.

unkel · 14-09-2020 12:37pm

outfox wrote: »

I guess no matter how good a classic car was in it's day, it is likely to be a mediocre drive at best in comparison with a modern car.

True enough but my second W201 Mercedes (from 1987) was very tight to drive, a real pleasure. No rattles and literally drove like a car just a few years old, not well over 30.

Slow of course compared to nearly any car sold new these days and made for comfort, not speed or cornering

This car was exceptionally good though for a car that age. Most are not.

outfox · 14-09-2020 4:59pm

I read an article above some lad in the UK who has a W124 estate. He said he really notices the difference at roundabouts, where Golfs and Fiestas leave him for dead. I've noticed it myself. The only way I'll keep up with an A4 or 3 series estate is if I floor it, and that's with a 5l V8.
Wouldn't change it for the world tho.

unkel · 14-09-2020 5:59pm

What car is that outfox? I doubt it's a 5l V8 Porsche 928

w124man · 14-09-2020 8:45pm

unkel wrote: »

The W126 is no longer my favourite saloon car of all time.

Take mine for a spin! You'll change your mind!

outfox · 14-09-2020 9:44pm

unkel wrote: »

What car is that outfox? I doubt it's a 5l V8 Porsche 928

Its a '95 W140 S500 coupe. Funnily enough, I was torn between the C140 and a 928. But the 928 I'd like is the GTS, which is pricey. I'm a Merc man anyway.

RobAMerc · 14-09-2020 9:53pm

outfox wrote: »

I guess no matter how good a classic car was in it's day, it is likely to be a mediocre drive at best in comparison with a modern car. A modern plastic yoke like a Dacia would probably be a nicer driver than a W126, with better climate control, handling, brakes, radio, cruise control, transmission, etc. Even a fast classic will probably be left at the lights by a standard hatch. It's just the way it is. That Dacia will be bested in 10-20 years by whatever we're driving around in then.

I think the trick is to admire it for how good it was for its day.

con747 · 15-09-2020 12:32am

Humber Super Snipe 1966 €1700 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1966-humber-super-snipe-barn-find/25945060

kadman · 16-09-2020 12:31pm

That humber auto is a beauty.

Loads of character in that car, that you just dont see any more.

Pics look great..........but pictures always do.

oceanman · 16-09-2020 7:49pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-450-sl/25960380

RobAMerc · 21-09-2020 7:37am

dunno if its a bargain but its lovely ! Volvo

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steinbock123 · 21-09-2020 9:20am

RobAMerc wrote: »

dunno if its a bargain but its lovely ! Volvo

I was given one of these as a company car many many moons ago. It was not a nice car to drive at all. And the upholstery got saggy on mine very quickly, just like can be seen in the photos on this one. I seem to remember that they we’re assembled by DAF in Holland.

This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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