new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

sabat · 23-01-2020 4:25am

Yurt! wrote: »

Chinese officials now urging people not to enter or leave Wuhan.

They're obviously taking this very seriously-a Wuhan ban ain't nothin' to f*ck with.

Jurgen Klopp · 23-01-2020 5:00am

Was there as much furore over SARS and swine flu can anyone remember? Like screening passengers and stopping flights?

Looking at the figures the deaths etc don't seem to much different to the normal flu?

Is the media really stirring this up or what?

Like there's talk of Wuhan being completely quarantined

mikhail · 23-01-2020 11:16am

Hego Damask wrote: »

Always China , why is it always in China this crap starts ?

Ebola wasn't China, but yeah. To answer your question: Very high population density. 20% of the world's population. Lower legal requirements on health and safety measures generally.

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Was there as much furore over SARS and swine flu can anyone remember? Like screening passengers and stopping flights?

Looking at the figures the deaths etc don't seem to much different to the normal flu?

Is the media really stirring this up or what?

Like there's talk of Wuhan being completely quarantined

Definitely comparable levels of media coverage. Screening measures are more available partly because of the previous outbreaks.

The media coverage is sort of okay. It's new, spreading quickly, and seems to kill a non-negligible fraction of those infected so far (~2.5% last figures I saw, but those are changing quickly). That's enough to warrant the kinds of measures from the WHO and the Chinese authorities we've seen so far. The total numbers right now are small in absolute terms, but diseases spread in an accelerating fashion - the more infected, the faster it spreads - so the absolute numbers aren't all that important to the epidemiologists. Right now it's worth the attention of the systems and experts that deal with these kinds of things. It is likely to peter out much like SARS and others, partly because of those measures to slow its spread while they try to figure out how to treat it. (E.g. if you catch ebola now, and get to a decent hospital quickly enough, you'll live.) There's a small chance it'll be a big deal in absolute terms - basically we can't know for sure yet. No reason to panic, but it's worthy of the coverage.

bnt · 23-01-2020 11:31am

This new update to Plague Inc. is pretty realistic, isn't it? They've even integrated it in to the CNN News app for extra verisimilitude.

seamus · 23-01-2020 12:01pm

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Was there as much furore over SARS and swine flu can anyone remember? Like screening passengers and stopping flights?

Looking at the figures the deaths etc don't seem to much different to the normal flu?

Is the media really stirring this up or what?

The answer to all of these questions is Yes.

SARS in particular there was a huge fuss made around it.

At present there doesn't seem to be any indication that this illness is particularly more contagious nor dangerous than other strains of coronavirus.

The media loves to stir it up though by saying things like, "It starts like a normal cold with a cough and a scratchy throat". This gets people wound up and paranoid that the tickle in their throat is this new super virus and they're going to die.

Even statistics can be very misleading. SARS recorded 8,000 cases, of whom 800 died. 10% sounds like scary ****.

But you have to consider that's 8,000 recorded cases. People who felt ill enough to go see a doctor and whose doctors were concerned enough about it to send a sample to be tested. For all we know there could have been 1,000,000 others infected who just powered through it for two weeks and got better.

Hector Savage · 23-01-2020 12:34pm

I do remember with SARS there were screenings at airports around the world, they were using heat sensitive cameras to monitor passengers...
and lots of coverage too....

I also remember this joke.

2 SARS bugs are walking back from the pub after having a few pints, one of them says to the other "Jaysus I'd f*ckin' murder a Chinese right now" ...

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-01-2020 2:13pm

3rd Chinese city now on lockdown (Wuhan, Ezhou and Huanggang). 20m total citizens.

The World Health Organization emergency committee were 50:50 on declaring a "global emergency" last night, so withheld.
Will ikely do so when they meet again today.

conorhal · 23-01-2020 2:17pm

Hego Damask wrote: »

Always China , why is it always in China this crap starts ?

Their perchant for massive corruption that ensures non existant disease control standards on farms, a tradition of 'wet markets' that keep wide varieties of live animals cheek to jowl for slaughter and consumption on site and their willingness to eat anything that moves, including raw bats (not even kidding) which are among the worst animals for driving disease contagion.
And that's all without the utterly crazy stuff that happens there like 'pork speculator's using drones to infect heards with African swine flu so that they can buy cheap and sell high.

There's a reason Max Brooks 'World War Z' starts with an outbreak in a remote part of China.

Mrcaramelchoc · 23-01-2020 2:20pm

Apparently some quarters are putting it down to the eating of bat soup.jesus is there anything they won't eat over there.

Hector Savage · 23-01-2020 2:52pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Apparently some quarters are putting it down to the eating of bat soup.jesus is there anything they won't eat over there.

filthy kernts

Ipso · 23-01-2020 5:05pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Apparently some quarters are putting it down to the eating of bat soup.jesus is there anything they won't eat over there.

What do you think hot wings are made off?

Bobblehats · 23-01-2020 5:06pm

I heard rats. Isn’t it year of the rat?

skooterblue2 · 23-01-2020 5:12pm

New in three cases in Scotland. its started.

Ipso · 23-01-2020 5:13pm

An interesting article/excerpt on diseases throughout history, with some bits on the roles of animals.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-arrow-of-disease

ceadaoin. · 23-01-2020 5:25pm

My kids school just sent out an email titled "Health Announcement". Had a mini panic attack for a second thinking someone there had it but it was just general hygiene advise to prevent the spread of illness.

We've seen all this scaremongering before with SARS, swine flu, MERS, Ebola etc. I'm going to hold off on the anxiety for a while I think until we know more.

Thrashssacre · 23-01-2020 5:25pm

Apparently over 300,000 left the city in china thw day before the lock down and any number of them could be carriers, numbers effected wikl likely rise but im not sure it will reach swine flu levels.

creditcarder · 23-01-2020 5:46pm

I have no doubt that it's a real thing, but I find it surprising that there seems to be a political angle in the reporting. Its just odd how 'Chinese durty' seems to be the subtext in a lit of the articles.

Probably true in some regards, but just an interesting spin.

Graces7 · 23-01-2020 5:48pm

According to rte, four and only being tested.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

New in three cases in Scotland. its started.

Yurt2 · 23-01-2020 5:56pm

creditcarder wrote: »

I have no doubt that it's a real thing, but I find it surprising that there seems to be a political angle in the reporting. Its just odd how 'Chinese durty' seems to be the subtext in a lit of the articles.

Probably true in some regards, but just an interesting spin.

It's improving year-by-year, but food preparation and food hygiene standards in lots of areas of China would turn your stomach. It's not unusual to see uncovered pig carcasses and pork products being hauled around on a scooter to its destination from the wet-market. Food cooked with gutter oil is still a thing.

I'm very picky about where I eat when I'm there, particularly in tier-2 cities downwards.

goat2 · 23-01-2020 6:00pm

I think, I would be living off , bags of taytoes if I went there, one could always order just chips, but I would not touch meat products

goat2 · 23-01-2020 6:02pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

New in three cases in Scotland. its started.

That could be the ordinary flu we are experiencing here, as it says , symptoms to watch out for, high temperature, sore throat, coughing, and that is what we have here, but it is flu, so could be mistaken

Oranage2 · 23-01-2020 6:04pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Apparently some quarters are putting it down to the eating of bat soup.jesus is there anything they won't eat over there.

Actually they've no idea where it came from according to the media though it's possible it came from snakes.

fritzelly · 23-01-2020 6:06pm

goat2 wrote: »

That could be the ordinary flu we are experiencing here, as it says , symptoms to watch out for, high temperature, sore throat, coughing, and that is what we have here, but it is flu, so could be mistaken

Bit of a coincidence considering where they have come from...

Yurt2 · 23-01-2020 6:07pm

goat2 wrote: »

I think, I would be living off , bags of taytoes if I went there, one could always order just chips, but I would not touch meat products

Honestly, in some countries like India and parts of China (rural and low-tier cities mostly), if you want to have a meal with meat - you're best off heading to the nearest McDonalds. You're guaranteed to have hygenically prepared food. Say what you want about Maccas, but they don't mess about with food safety.

Rikand · 23-01-2020 6:15pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

Actually they've no idea where it came from according to the media though it's possible it came from snakes.

All the more reason to make sure there are no snakes on any planes anytime soon

scotchy · 23-01-2020 6:15pm

Suspected case now being checked in Northern Ireland on a person recently arrived from Wuhan.

23-01-2020 6:17pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Honestly, in some countries like India and parts of China (rural and low-tier cities mostly), if you want to have a meal with meat - you're best off heading to the nearest McDonalds. You're guaranteed to have hygenically prepared food. Say what you want about Maccas, but they don't mess about with food safety.

No chance of a Big Mac in India

weldoninhio · 23-01-2020 6:29pm

goat2 wrote: »

I think, I would be living off , bags of taytoes if I went there, one could always order just chips, but I would not touch meat products

There’s an Irish lad over there.

23-01-2020 6:38pm

goat2 wrote: »

I think, I would be living off , bags of taytoes if I went there, one could always order just chips, but I would not touch meat products

To where, China?

The food is fantastic. You'll have to swap Taytos for pringles though.

Terrific fruit as well.

ChikiChiki · 23-01-2020 6:42pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

There’s an Irish lad over there.

The lad has it sussed. The wisdom of youth:pac:

RobertKK · 23-01-2020 6:45pm

Studies at the market where the coronavirus originated from, say it has come from eating snakes.
The snakes became a carrier from eating bats and then the humans from eating the snakes.

Mustn't have cooked them properly...

whisky_galore · 23-01-2020 7:00pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

There’s an Irish lad over there.

Economic migrant?

Snow Garden · 23-01-2020 7:05pm

Much ado about nothing.

Bobblehats · 23-01-2020 7:06pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Economic migrant?

You can go over there as some kid with a basic grasp of the english and become a great revered professor of language. It’s a bit dubious

megatron989 · 23-01-2020 7:07pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Much ado about nothing.

Wonder did some armchair expert say similar at the brink of the Spanish flu.
Guess I can rest easy, thanks chief. Phew.

scotchy · 23-01-2020 7:08pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

You can go over there as some kid with a basic grasp of the english and become a great revered professor of language. It’s a bit dubious

A good friend of mine did exactly this.

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whisky_galore · 23-01-2020 7:10pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

You can go over there as some kid with a basic grasp of the english and become a great revered professor of language. It’s a bit dubious

God help us.

I can imagine poor Chinese lads unable to use There, Their, or They're correctly.

The Rape of Lucretia · 23-01-2020 7:13pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Economic migrant?

No, genuine asylum seeker apparantly.

Assetbacked · 23-01-2020 7:15pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Honestly, in some countries like India and parts of China (rural and low-tier cities mostly), if you want to have a meal with meat - you're best off heading to the nearest McDonalds. You're guaranteed to have hygenically prepared food. Say what you want about Maccas, but they don't mess about with food safety.

Or you could just not eat meat and then not even have to worry about whether your food will make you ill.

Bobblehats · 23-01-2020 7:15pm

RobertKK wrote: »

The snakes became a carrier from eating bats and then the humans from eating the snakes.

Mustn't have cooked them properly...

That’s some food chain to be top of

ceadaoin. · 23-01-2020 7:16pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

The lad has it sussed. The wisdom of youth:pac:

I dont know, the food to alcohol ratio in his supplies seems to be off. 10 packets of instant noodles and a bit of fruit to outlast a plague? Hmm..

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-01-2020 7:20pm

5 citites in China now in lockdown (or with no public transport available): Huanggang, Ezhou, Zhijiang, Qianjiang and Wuhan.

Hubei Province (where Wuhan is) has alone reported 444 cases of coronavirus infections. All 17 deaths were reported from the province.
Among the confirmed cases, 399 patients are receiving treatment in hospitals, with 71 in severe condition and 24 in critical condition.

Confirmed cases have also been reported from several regions including Xinjiang and Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan.
Also US, Japan, S.Korea, Thailand, Singapore* and Vietnam* and S'Arabia* (Indian Nurse).
*new.

All major international airports now with screening in place. CDC issues Level 3 travel alert.
Many 'suspected' or ''under observation' cases (but none confirmed, until test results are returned) includes: UK, Qubec, Boston

The World Health Organization is reconvening an emergency meeting in Geneva on NOW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIgiLN43M_Q&feature=youtu.be

Graces7 · 23-01-2020 7:21pm

The authorities are thankfully being meticulously careful. It is an unknown quantity as it is mutating.

So not a fuss about nothing

They are doing right and not overemphasising etc. No panic. it is reassuring.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-01-2020 7:23pm

What does Greta think?

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-01-2020 7:25pm

WHO decides it's still 'too early' to call it an emergency as of 23 Jan 1800hrs.

Bobblehats · 23-01-2020 7:25pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

God help us.

I can imagine poor Chinese lads unable to use There, Their, or They're correctly.

Might help if you have a ‘way’ about you. Like that fella from Instinct

skooterblue2 · 23-01-2020 7:26pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What does Greta think?

How dare you!!!

whisky_galore · 23-01-2020 7:26pm

If it ever got here, with our omnishambles HSE, we're screwed.

Duke of Url · 23-01-2020 7:29pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

If it ever got here, with our omnishambles HSE, we're screwed.

I believe coronavirus drama is a complete over reaction.

Ipso · 23-01-2020 7:30pm

Duke of Url wrote: »

I believe coronavirus drama is a complete over reaction.

Until a lot of people die, then it's the gubbmint done nuttin, they don't care about d'ordinary man

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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